Quotes of the day

posted at 10:31 pm on November 18, 2013 by Allahpundit

Vice President Joe Biden expressed confidence Monday that the administration is going to fix the embattled federal healthcare website.

“The truth is, we’re going to fix it,” Biden said at Ellington Field airport in Houston, speaking to volunteers working to help people enroll in health insurance under the Affordable Care Act.

“God willing,” he added later.

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Busted website, canceled policies, lousy early enrollment numbers. And that could be just the warmup.

Because the lesson of the last six weeks is that when it comes to the Obamacare rollout, if it can go wrong, it probably will.

The stumble-filled debut of President Barack Obama’s health care law is drawing new attention to the other risks that have been on the radar screen of health care wonks for months. Think health insurance plans sinking under the weight of sick customers, newly insured people being stunned that they still have to spend on health care, and possibly another wave of canceled policies — right before the 2014 elections.

They’re mostly worst-case scenarios, and an Obamacare recovery in the next few months could still prevent some of the biggest ones from ever happening. But health care experts are taking all of them a lot more seriously now — because at this point, why wouldn’t they?

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The Obama administration is lowering the bar again on the problem-plagued ObamaCare website, saying that it will be “greatly improved” by month’s end — not fixed.

“The consumer experience … will be greatly improved for the vast majority of users by November 30,” Henry Chao, the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services’ deputy chief information officer, will tell House investigators on Tuesday, according to written testimony obtained by Fox News.

Chao’s testimony, 11 days before the fix deadline, appears to be the most recent case of the administration attempting to lower expectations, or at least prepare Americans for more problems when attempting to enter the site to purchase insurance policies that begin coverage January 1.

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1. The Washington Post reported on Sunday that the Obama administration will consider the new online marketplace a success if 80 percent of users can buy health insurance. That is absurd. First, it’s another broken promise. The president and his advisers responded to the disastrous rollout last month by vowing to deliver an Amazon.com-quality website by the end of November. (If history remembers President Obama for one thing, other than his barrier-breaking 2008 election, it might be the outsized and unmet expectations that paved the path of his presidency.) Second, in what other line of work is 20 percent failure considered a success? If one out of every five meals served by a restaurant is inedible, the joint goes out of business.

2. The same story by Amy Goldstein and Juliet Eilperin revealed that the Health and Human Services Department hired technology contractors without requiring specific performance criteria. It is customary in the private sector to include benchmarks in technology contracts. Not so with the seat-of-their-smarty-pants Obama administration. “The meaning of success was defined for the first time during the panicky days of October, when White House officials belatedly recognized that the federal exchange had serious software and hardware defects,” The Post reported.

3. Incompetence is one thing. Secrecy is another. The administration that promised to be the most transparent ever settled on the “80-percent-is-better-than-nothing” construction without making it public. The Post story is based on unidentified sources. The president suggested for the first time last week that the site would not be perfect, but he did not go into detail. He should.

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It gets worse. As the American Enterprise Institute’s Dr. Scott Gottlieb has pointed out, there is already a second wave of cancellations set to come right before the 2014 mid-term elections. It turns out that many small businesses with fewer than 50 employees, who buy in the small-group market, were able to exploit a loophole in Obamacare and avoid for one year the mandates being placed on plans in the individual market. Those businesses get to keep offering coverage that does not meet Obamacare requirements until the end of 2014. But, Gottlieb writes, that means that “starting in October 2014, many employees of small businesses will start getting the same notices that are now being mailed to individuals, informing that their existing health plans are also being cancelled.”

In other words, right before Election Day 2014, people in the small-group market are scheduled to lose their plans. If the fix Obama announced last week succeeds, then many more in the individual market will also lose their plans at the very same time — and Democrats could lose control of the Senate…

So even if the Web site does work a year from now, it won’t matter because Obamacare will be unaffordable. Those losing their plans right before Election Day will be in the same bind they are in today. Except there will be potentially millions more of them than there are today.

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Even in the face of rough public opinion, the mantra of Congressional Democrats has been to fix the health care law, not cater to Republican extremism to repeal it. But after the president’s press conference last week, there’s been a palpable pessimism in Democratic strategists’ thinking. When I asked one Democratic campaign operative why blue-state Senate candidates like Peters and Braley would support a bill that the White House said would gut Obamacare, the answer was: “We’re on our own. We don’t care what the White House says. Would you trust them?”

That’s the type of thinking that could endanger a health care law that seemed untouchable several months ago. If the administration can’t fix the myriad problems ailing the health care exchange website, and more sob stories emerge about people losing or paying significantly more for their insurance, it’s an unsustainable formula for Democrats. There’s not much time left on the election clock to turn things around. They’ve shown unfailing loyalty to the president, but unless he manages an unlikely fourth quarter comeback, those bonds could break — and the results could get ugly.

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An engaged chief executive would have been demanding frequent and detailed progress reports from his team. He would have gotten early warnings about possible glitches. But this president is tragically and inexcusably hands-off…

At the time the law was passed, administration leaders and many commentators compared the Affordable Care Act to Social Security and Medicare. The analogy was never apt. These great achievements are public public programs, efficient to administer and testament to the fact that government can serve social objectives far more effectively than the private sector.

Obamacare, by contrast, is the inefficiency of “public-private partnerships” at its worst. It is a public subsidy for the private insurance industry. No fewer than 55 separate contractors were hired to design the software. Yet though it is not a true public program worthy of the name, Obamacare is being used to discredit government.

Taking the long view, it looks increasingly as if 2008 was a missed historical moment.

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Emboldened conservatives and worried liberals alike agree that the future of the Democratic Party’s plausible agenda, and of liberalism itself, is on the line.

Obama’s challenge is now nothing less than to assure that the cycle of progressivism he presumed to usher in, and the period of renewed faith and confidence in the transformative powers of government that he promised, does not die aborning. That will be no easy task.

“Unlike the Republican agenda, the Democratic agenda does not work unless people have a certain level of trust in the competence of the government to act on their behalf,” said William Galston, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, who 25 years ago helped launch the centrist “New Democratic” agenda that brought the Democrats back from years in the presidential wilderness. “That is, if you will, the Democratic proposition. It’s not to say that the government should do everything, but it is to say there’s an indispensable — and not necessarily small — role for government at every level.”…

“Case studies are going to be written about this for years to come,” said David Gergen, director of the Center for Public Leadership at Harvard’s Kennedy School and a bipartisan veteran of three White House staffs. “I’m not sure people are ever going to be able to totally unravel this story — it beggars belief.”

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It turns out if you sell a health care plan on the basis that we won’t increase the debt and nobody will be a loser, then, when there are losers, they get really mad. And there were bound to be losers. And so that’s part of it.

But part of it is just the weakening of the law, the weakening of support for the law, and the weakening of the own president’s authority to say, trust me, trust me. I’m really struck by the downward slide that he’s doing.

I’m a little surprised by it, frankly. And what’s interesting is, compared to Reagan and Clinton in their second terms, had very similar popular approval ratings, which were going up at this point. George W. Bush and Barack Obama have extremely similar downward slopes. Bush’s went all the way through, caused by Iraq and Katrina, and, in Obama’s case, health care and other things.

And one of the things that strikes me is the country has changed, much more cynical, much more anti-Washington and, as a result of that, much less likely to come in a big collective effort to help some uninsured off, so much more skeptical of the law, and, second, when it is not implemented properly, much more punishing on the government. And so that makes it very fragile to me.

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It is bad enough that self-employed and individually insured Americans are being dictated to from a faraway city. After all, there is neither a moral nor legal provision in the United States Constitution that allows the executive to decide what free men should choose to buy. And yet it gets worse when one acknowledges that the services that the government wishes to foist upon the individual market are generally inferior. “President Obama will soon become the country’s biggest purveyor of second-rate coverage,” doctor and former FDA official Scott Gottlieb (no relation to Lori) wrote in the New York Post. “Many of the policies sold in the exchanges are ‘narrow network’ plans with very limited choice of doctors.” Hard workers could be forgiven for looking at their efforts and wondering, “Why bother?”

One of the things that has distinguished America from the social democracies of Europe is that its safety net was just that: a net into which one might fall but in which one would not be enveloped. In Europe, one is pushed into interaction with the government as a matter of course — and even encouraged to engage. In America, there was traditionally help if you really needed it, but you had to be old or poor or disabled first. Obamacare changes that, interfering in the lives of the millions of Americans who had no intention of getting involved with the state and saying breezily to the self-sustaining middle class that there is no escape from the insidious meddling of a corpulent Uncle Sam — even if they do work hard and play by the rules every day.

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“What I’m hearing from the White House is: There will be changes to the president’s team coming out of this, but they are not looking to fire anyone now.”


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Big f*ckin’ deal!

AllahsNippleHair on November 18, 2013 at 10:38 PM

…good to see you… and that name again!

KOOLAID2 on November 18, 2013 at 11:51 PM

AllahsNippleHair on November 18, 2013 at 10:38 PM

…good to see you… and that name again!

KOOLAID2 on November 18, 2013 at 11:51 PM

I like that name and “bigbrownwetbeaver”, I think that was how it went..

arnold ziffel on November 18, 2013 at 11:53 PM

Bmore

Schadenfreude on November 18, 2013 at 11:54 PM

Holder just wants to buy time while he is busy crying racism everytime he shows his mug in public !

I have been waiting to find out what’d happen when Choom’s admin has to allow the courts to see those docs. I guess we’ll find out soon! :)

As for the KardASSians, check this out :
http://www.tmz.com/2013/11/18/kanye-west-rant-radio-president-obama-michelle-kim-kardashian/

Kanye’s latest rant aired this morning on 107.9 FM in Philly. The hosts asked him about Obama’s infamous comment … and Kanye angrily responded, “I don’t care if your’re the president. I bring joy to people.”

If only they’d have him back on SNL to say that :P

burrata on November 18, 2013 at 11:33 PM

Kanye does bring more joy to people than the Preezy. lol

Here is a D(bag)Bear, in case you ever wanted a glimpse into his “life.”

Anti-Control on November 18, 2013 at 11:54 PM

I see a Patriots vs. Lions or Cowboys Super Bowl coming up this year…

Anti-Control on November 18, 2013 at 11:35 PM

…I would ….*gladly*….clean my pants….of my own load!

KOOLAID2 on November 18, 2013 at 11:55 PM

What is going on in Wisconsin?

KCB on November 18, 2013 at 11:08 PM

A serious realignment is nigh… Mark my words…

PointnClick on November 18, 2013 at 11:56 PM

Boycott this traitor

Schadenfreude on November 18, 2013 at 11:44 PM

I avoid Facebook now. And to think that HotAir was wanting to require Facebook for commenting. Glad that idea was killed. Hopefully it doesn’t come back.

Where are our ads? Where are our billionaires who want to help us secure the border and stop disastrous mass illegal alien amnesty? Let’s go!

We are going to win this. Never give in on this issue.

bluegill on November 18, 2013 at 11:57 PM

Hard to believe what happens in this country.

KCB on November 18, 2013 at 11:40 PM

It appears that Special Prosecutor has more power than Issa. Reading that article quickly, it seems mostly are Dems out of the District Attys Office. The Law that allows this should have been changed. Those that are targeted almost have their hands tied & can only speak to their Attorneys.

bluefox on November 18, 2013 at 11:58 PM

Short yelps, on the run.

Long yelps, treed.

Break out the light. Aim between the eyes.

1/2 dozen a night.

wolly4321 on November 19, 2013 at 12:00 AM

…I would ….*gladly*….clean my pants….of my own load!

KOOLAID2 on November 18, 2013 at 11:55 PM

haha :)

Who do you have more less faith in: Stafford, or the Tigers’ bullpen?

Anti-Control on November 19, 2013 at 12:00 AM

ObamaCare makes you want to cry into your beer and denies you the money left over to buy beer to cry into.

VorDaj on November 19, 2013 at 12:01 AM

I like that name and “bigbrownwetbeaver”, I think that was how it went..

arnold ziffel on November 18, 2013 at 11:53 PM

…is that a canopfor…sockpuppet?

KOOLAID2 on November 19, 2013 at 12:01 AM

I have been waiting to find out what’d happen when Choom’s admin has to allow the courts to see those docs. I guess we’ll find out soon! :)
Anti-Control on November 18, 2013 at 11:54 PM

Never gonna happen.
He’s not going anywhere, and our judges have sold out the judiciary to the devil .

burrata on November 19, 2013 at 12:01 AM

Who do you have more less faith in: Stafford, or the Tigers’ bullpen?

Anti-Control on November 19, 2013 at 12:00 AM

…what bullpen?…they had a bullpen?

KOOLAID2 on November 19, 2013 at 12:02 AM

Never gonna happen.
He’s not going anywhere, and our judges have sold out the judiciary to the devil .

burrata on November 19, 2013 at 12:01 AM

I do not agree. We’ll just have to wait and see who’s right…

Anti-Control on November 19, 2013 at 12:03 AM

http://nypost.com/2013/11/18/census-faked-2012-election-jobs-report/

when its ok to lie about everything…its easy to lie about anything..

going2mars on November 19, 2013 at 12:04 AM

…what bullpen?…they had a bullpen?

KOOLAID2 on November 19, 2013 at 12:02 AM

lol

I wish I had more confidence in Stafford – he’s very lucky to have Megatron! :)

Anti-Control on November 19, 2013 at 12:05 AM

Boycott this traitor

Schadenfreude on November 18, 2013 at 11:44 PM

I read over a month ago that Zuckerburg spent IIRC 250,000 on ads in Wisconsin on behalf of Paul Ryan (Amnesty)

Traitor indeed. I never signed up for FB, as I read a year ago of the lack of security.

bluefox on November 19, 2013 at 12:07 AM

What is going on in Wisconsin?

KCB on November 18, 2013 at 11:08 PM

A serious realignment is nigh… Mark my words…

PointnClick on November 18, 2013 at 11:56 PM

Sent to Greta to feature on the Off the Record segment.

Schadenfreude on November 19, 2013 at 12:07 AM

I do not agree. We’ll just have to wait and see who’s right…

Anti-Control on November 19, 2013 at 12:03 AM

If this racist anti-American shiite murdering alinskyte in mom jeans gets replaced by a racist anti-American sunni murdering alinkyte in pant-suit ,
what difference will that make ?

burrata on November 19, 2013 at 12:07 AM

A dog barking in the woods. It’s a beautiful sound.

All lost, in the middle of the night. Chasing barks.

With a bag full of them in the morning.

Sometimes we would lose a dog. Chasing a fox or a deer.

Throw a cushion out. Pick him up the next day.

You could tell when they were chasing them. Mocing fast.

wolly4321 on November 19, 2013 at 12:13 AM

http://nypost.com/2013/11/18/census-faked-2012-election-jobs-report/

when its ok to lie about everything…its easy to lie about anything..

going2mars on November 19, 2013 at 12:04 AM

That did seem weird.

Incredible

workingclass artist on November 19, 2013 at 12:13 AM

If this racist anti-American shiite murdering alinskyte in mom jeans gets replaced by a racist anti-American sunni murdering alinkyte in pant-suit ,
what difference will that make ?

burrata on November 19, 2013 at 12:07 AM

I am not sure how any of that relates to whether or not Choom’s admin will be judicially forced to open up the F&F docs to outside scrutiny.

As I said, we’ll have to wait and see who’s right about that…will you buy me a pizza if I am? :)

Anti-Control on November 19, 2013 at 12:17 AM

http://nypost.com/2013/11/18/census-faked-2012-election-jobs-report/

when its ok to lie about everything…its easy to lie about anything..

going2mars on November 19, 2013 at 12:04 AM

So, how do we know Osama is dead ?

burrata on November 19, 2013 at 12:17 AM

Obama’s challenge is now nothing less than to assure that the cycle of progressivism he presumed to usher in, and the period of renewed faith and confidence in the transformative powers of government that he promised, does not die aborning. That will be no easy task.

A little karma here would be a nice touch.
Obama likes babies to die aborning, so it would only be fair.

AesopFan on November 19, 2013 at 12:17 AM

In IT, anyone that wanted their website to be like Amazon or whenever we heard some techies saying they build an Amazon clone, we’d just laugh at them. It was a sure sign of amateur hour because nothing even came of it. Now, could Obamacare’s site be fixed? Maybe. But from what I’m hearing, it’s not very likely. 55 different contractors? For a website? How did they organize this? And no benchmarks or milestones until October? WTF? Anywhere else, I’d say this will take at least 4 to 6 months to fix. Something tells me this won’t be fixed for a while.

MrX on November 19, 2013 at 12:20 AM

Emails: IRS official said Lerner threw Cincinnati office under the bus

An IRS official blasted Lois Lerner for her attempt to blame the agency’s targeting scandal on low-level employees in Cincinnati, according to newly released emails.

“Cincinnati wasn’t publicly ‘thrown under the bus’ (but) instead was hit by a convoy of Mack trucks,” wrote Cindy Thomas, former director of the IRS exempt organizations office in Cincinnati, in a May 10, 2013 email to Lerner obtained by the House Ways and Means Committee.

Thomas wrote the email on the very day that the IRS targeting scandal broke when Lerner, a senior agency official based in Washington, D.C., admitted that her exempt organizations division engaged in improper targeting of conservative groups.

Lerner initially claimed that the agency’s Cincinatti office was solely responsible for the practice. The New York Times went to bat for the administration, characterizing the Cincinatti office as a “backwater” filled with “low-level employees.”

But Thomas wasn’t having it.

“As you can imagine, employees and managers (in the Cincinnati tax-exempt division) are furious,” Thomas wrote to Lerner.

“Was it also communicated at that conference in Washington that the low-level workers in Cincinnati asked the Washington office for assistance and the Washington office took no action to provide guidance to the low-level workers?” Thomas wrote.

“. . . How am I supposed to keep the low-level workers motivated when the public believes they are nothing more than low-level and now will have no respect for how they are working cases? The attitude/morale of employees is at the lowest it has ever been,” Thomas wrote.

Anti-Control on November 19, 2013 at 12:24 AM

will you buy me a pizza if I am? :)

Anti-Control on November 19, 2013 at 12:17 AM

Yessssssss :O
If America gets rid of this abomination and gets a patriotic American as POTUS, pizzas for everybody at HotGas .
That means: No Christie, Mooch, Clintons and others like them.
Looking at how this regime manufactures documents and numbers , I’m sure every paper+electronic trail will be gone with help from sillyCon valley help.

burrata on November 19, 2013 at 12:25 AM

“Buckmon, it turns out, was a very ambitious employee. He conducted three times as many household interviews as his peers, my source said.

By making up survey results — and, essentially, creating people out of thin air and giving them jobs — Buckmon’s actions could have lowered the jobless rate.

Buckmon said he filled out surveys for people he couldn’t reach by phone or who didn’t answer their doors.

But, Buckmon says, he was never told how to answer the questions about whether these nonexistent people were employed or not, looking for work, or have given up.”

first part…3 times as many…sure sure…
last part
i am sure sure sure…mr Julius Buckmon…would never help give BHO the numbers needed
to help him get elected…im sure of it…would never happen…move along…

going2mars on November 19, 2013 at 12:25 AM

I am not sure how any of that relates to whether or not Choom’s admin will be judicially forced to open up the F&F docs to outside scrutiny.

Anti-Control on November 19, 2013 at 12:17 AM

Don’t hold your breath on that. Barky’s junta would never do it, no matter what any court said, and the Vichy Republicans don’t want to see much of it, either, because it will just expose how much obvious and serious criminality they let the junta get away with.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on November 19, 2013 at 12:26 AM

I don’t know if anyone else saw it, but I watched a heavily promoted (on lib pages) Texas Abortion-a-thon webcast tonight hosted from a stage in NYC by Sarah Silverman and Lizz Winstead (?) that was the most vile thing you’d ever seen. I hope pieces of it are used in ads down here. Every ugly liberal hag imaginable and it was so foul. And very very funny to see them sitting by phones that weren’t ringing. One fat lesbian comic was auctioning off a autographed script from some show and she wanted “20 thousand —–ing dollars!!” And it was a riot to keep seeing her sitting next to a phone and not once having to answer it. Finally they had to joke “c’mon!! This is about as successful as healthcare dot org!”

It was a two hour thing and I saw the last hour and they had a counter of live viewers that maybe reached a high of 700 people.

Food Network fans might want to know they kept saying Mario Batalli (?) was going to match the donations, but I haven’t seen him on the air in months.

Marcus on November 19, 2013 at 12:26 AM

nothing on Zimmerman? awwww
DBear on November 18, 2013 at 10:35 PM

Yeah! You never hear nothin’ from the media when the perp is black or Hispanic!

Vince on November 19, 2013 at 12:27 AM

MEANwhile, in Southern Florida today, the collective conservatism in that room should have been enough to melt the Golden EIB microphone into a molten puddle: http://conservatives4palin.com/2013/11/governor-palin-visits-rush-and-the-eib-network.html

theotherone on November 19, 2013 at 12:31 AM

..;.when its ok to lie about everything…its easy to lie about anything..
going2mars on November 19, 2013 at 12:04 AM

What gets me is that 0bama and his minions lie about stuff they gain no advantage in lying about.

It is as if telling the truth about even the most insignificant thing would cause instant death.

LegendHasIt on November 19, 2013 at 12:32 AM

Lost dog..

He’d take his coat off, lay it on the ground.

Next day, lost dog would be laying on that coat.waitng to go home.

Acting all embarrassed he got lost.

wolly4321 on November 19, 2013 at 12:34 AM

Yessssssss :O

^5! :)

If America gets rid of this abomination and gets a patriotic American as POTUS, pizzas for everybody at HotGas.
That means: No Christie, Mooch, Clintons and others like them.
Looking at how this regime manufactures documents and numbers , I’m sure every paper+electronic trail will be gone with help from sillyCon valley help.

burrata on November 19, 2013 at 12:25 AM

Because I do believe that Choom’s admin will end up being judicially forced to open up the docs, what I highlighted is the most interesting angle to me: what will the Preezy’s reaction be? I hear what you (and TPOP below) are saying….

Don’t hold your breath on that. Barky’s junta would never do it, no matter what any court said, and the Vichy Republicans don’t want to see much of it, either, because it will just expose how much obvious and serious criminality they let the junta get away with.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on November 19, 2013 at 12:26 AM

Anti-Control on November 19, 2013 at 12:37 AM

What gets me is that 0bama and his minions lie about stuff they gain no advantage in lying about.

LegendHasIt on November 19, 2013 at 12:32 AM

What gets me is that Barky and his junta tell the most ridiculous, transparent, intellectually offensive lies. They lie all the time and, yet, they still suck at it. Pretty much the story of Barky’s life.

The Indonesian tells lies that no one with even half a brain could believe. And he gets away with it with people like Krauthammer still saying that he’s intelligent … as if.

These past five years have been a real lesson in the thin, brittle veneer of civilization and how easily simple logic is shoved aside by masses of ignorant lowlifes and ‘intellectuals’.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on November 19, 2013 at 12:39 AM

Rotary phone days.

Fishing at the river.

wolly4321 on November 19, 2013 at 12:39 AM

LegendHasIt on November 19, 2013 at 12:32 AM

this admin is untrustworthy..
every lie has its purpose..
optics is everything in ‘the big show’…
never let a perfectly good lie so to waste..
even the lil ones…”like look at this new sparkley lie”…have purpose
its about a silly video..
its just rogue ppl in cinn…
and you can keep your plan…if i like it..
and on and on and on…

going2mars on November 19, 2013 at 12:41 AM

Different world.

And I miss it.

wolly4321 on November 19, 2013 at 12:42 AM

What gets me is that 0bama and his minions lie about stuff they gain no advantage in lying about.

It is as if telling the truth about even the most insignificant thing would cause instant death.

LegendHasIt on November 19, 2013 at 12:32 AM

The truth is so cussedly static that Barack and his pals enjoy the fluidity and endless opportunities which lying allows them.

The world can be kept in a constant state of flux- and people who subscribe to the truth kept in confusion- if the Obama-ists avoid reality at all costs.

A fact is singular, but untruth is infinite.

profitsbeard on November 19, 2013 at 12:46 AM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on November 19, 2013 at 12:39 AM

“Krauthammer still saying that he’s intelligent”

to get where hes gotten the way he got there at the speed he’s gotten there…he cant be all useful dolt..

i think thats more like what DrK ment..

going2mars on November 19, 2013 at 12:46 AM

In other words, right before Election Day 2014, people in the small-group market are scheduled to lose their plans. If the fix Obama announced last week succeeds, then many more in the individual market will also lose their plans at the very same time — and Democrats could lose control of the Senate…

What do you want to bet that the media miss this story – it being right before the election and all?

kcewa on November 19, 2013 at 12:46 AM

I’ve dealt with people who lie a lot, as I’m sure we all have, but only one who would have been categorized as a pathological liar. It was a bizarre experience…

Anti-Control on November 19, 2013 at 12:47 AM

My grandmoms homemade jarred ketchup..

Mason jars. A pantry full of them.

You remember?

wolly4321 on November 19, 2013 at 12:50 AM

Food Network fans might want to know they kept saying Mario Batalli (?) was going to match the donations, but I haven’t seen him on the air in months.

Marcus on November 19, 2013 at 12:26 AM

I hope Batali doesn’t steal tips from his waiters to donate to a cause so close to his heart :P
BTW, did y’all know that this ponytailed POS is so in luv with the Mooch that he actually calls bankers Hitlers and Stalins ?

burrata on November 19, 2013 at 12:51 AM

Hello!Good evening and morning all!!

I have a question, we have all heard of The New World Order right?!

I have heard that it will possibly follow along the lines of Chinese Communistic Democracy, seeing as how things are right now in this country, doesn’t seem far-fetched, or does it?

Scrumpy on November 19, 2013 at 12:52 AM

Better learn how to do it again.

wolly4321 on November 19, 2013 at 12:52 AM

Barky couldn’t even cut it at ACORN. The clown didn’t last long enough at Baskin-Robbins to attend scoop university or whatever they would call it.

All he has is his dubious Hahvahd dih-ploam-urrr and various seedy campaign bundlers like Soros, Boofay and Rezko… the alphabet network presstitutes and tax-fiend JustUs Roberts. The rest mostly are appointed Cabinet or USSC groupies and Chicago Way parasites.

viking01 on November 19, 2013 at 12:55 AM

wolly4321 on November 19, 2013 at 12:52 AM

My Mum used to do canning, everything, I have lost the art, but you are right, we should learn how to do it… :)

Scrumpy on November 19, 2013 at 12:55 AM

I’ve dealt with people who lie a lot, as I’m sure we all have, but only one who would have been
categorized as a pathological liar. It was a bizarre experience…
Anti-Control on November 19, 2013 at 12:47 AM

I work with a pathological liar. His infinite number of uncles own and invented every modern device, convenience, and company. I just shake my head at him when he is talking. He isn’t malicious about it, but everything has to be superlative in size and scope. You will never have or know about anything that is better or larger than his. Oddly enough his name is Max. lol

Murphy9 on November 19, 2013 at 12:56 AM

You remember?

wolly4321 on November 19, 2013 at 12:50 AM

yes i remember..and ive done it when i was a kid..
my mom had a huge garden…cuz we were poor we caned everything…
i bet ive boiled a few thousand mason jars…
waited for the seals to ‘pop’

im with ya brother..i miss it…even the weeding parts..

going2mars on November 19, 2013 at 12:58 AM

Very different covers of “Quit Your Low Down Ways,” a Dylan song:

Manfred Mann’s Earth Band

The Hollies

Anti-Control on November 19, 2013 at 12:59 AM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on November 19, 2013 at 12:39 AM
going2mars on November 19, 2013 at 12:41 AM
Anti-Control on November 19, 2013 at 12:44 AM
profitsbeard on November 19, 2013 at 12:46 AM

As I was telling my wife, Morgan Fairchild, the other day…..

/Tommy Flanagan

LegendHasIt on November 19, 2013 at 1:00 AM

Murphy9 on November 19, 2013 at 12:56 AM

Someone like that lives in a self created fantasy land, has low self esteem, and has to create a world where, if it isn’t he, it is everyone else who he knows and is better than anyone or thing known…

Sounds like a mental disease don’t it… :)

Scrumpy on November 19, 2013 at 1:00 AM

, doesn’t seem far-fetched, or does it? Scrumpy on November 19, 2013 a

Learn to shoot well. The world us upside down.

I think about my grandfather, and what he went through.

I guess it’s our turn.

wolly4321 on November 19, 2013 at 1:01 AM

Someone like that lives in a self created fantasy land, has low self esteem, and has to create a
world where, if it isn’t he, it is everyone else who he knows and is better than anyone or thing
known…
Sounds like a mental disease don’t it… :)
Scrumpy on November 19, 2013 at 1:00 AM

The best one was when he was telling me about his grill. Mind you we work in a chemical plant full of tanks of various sizes. He says his grill is made out of a 50,000 gallon tank. I pulled the blinds back in the break room and pointed at a 30 ft tall tank and said,” that tank is 6000 gallons.”. Everybody lost it. He back peddled the size of his grill all the way back to a 55 gallon drum. I don’t understand the compulsion to lie about everything. I agree with you though. He is compensating for his mundane life.

Murphy9 on November 19, 2013 at 1:07 AM

wolly4321 on November 19, 2013 at 1:01 AM

It is, me shoot? I don’t know, my Gpa also was in WWII, well thinking about how China is changing, albeit, slowly, they have embraced a form of capitalism, and seem to be improving on Human Rights, it doesn’t seem so far-fetched for somthing similar here, all things considered, we do have many socialist programs now, and with what is happening, it may be a decade or 2 away, but it could be possible, and happen without bloodshed…

Scrumpy on November 19, 2013 at 1:07 AM

I have heard that it will possibly follow along the lines of Chinese Communistic Democracy, seeing as how things are right now in this country, doesn’t seem far-fetched, or does it?

Scrumpy on November 19, 2013 at 12:52 AM

It won’t be communist, it will be worse than that.
It will be islamic.
Wait till Hussein comes out and declares that he is a muzie and he had to lie about it because Americans are bigots.

burrata on November 19, 2013 at 1:08 AM

He already told us he was a mohammedian. Remember stufalumpulus corrected him in 2008?

Murphy9 on November 19, 2013 at 1:10 AM

I work with a pathological liar. His infinite number of uncles own and invented every modern device, convenience, and company. I just shake my head at him when he is talking. He isn’t malicious about it, but everything has to be superlative in size and scope. You will never have or know about anything that is better or larger than his. Oddly enough his name is Max. lol

Murphy9 on November 19, 2013 at 12:56 AM

lol

Some of the liars (gross exaggerators) I dealt with were like that, but they could tell the truth at least some of the time, too. The person I was specifically thinking of was malicious, in a strange way. She was as pleasant as could be to everyone’s face, but then she would go and spread ridiculously false & vicious rumors behind their backs. She ended up having to quit her job (as a waitress) because of all the chaos she caused at her workplace.

Never seen anything like it before or since.

As I was telling my wife, Morgan Fairchild, the other day…..

/Tommy Flanagan

LegendHasIt on November 19, 2013 at 1:00 AM

lol

Anti-Control on November 19, 2013 at 1:10 AM

I have heard that it will possibly follow along the lines of Chinese Communistic Democracy, seeing as how things are right now in this country, doesn’t seem far-fetched, or does it?

Scrumpy on November 19, 2013 at 12:52 AM

Was there an Old World Order?

kcewa on November 19, 2013 at 1:11 AM

It is a creep that has been creeping ever so slowly toward a socialism, I doubt it can be stopped now, it has infiltrated every aspect of our lives in so many ways, and it starts with our kids, they are being converted to it, being taught it.

Insidious creep…

Scrumpy on November 19, 2013 at 1:12 AM

LegendHasIt on November 19, 2013 at 1:00 AM

yeahh thats the ticket…

tho we should also consider …some of the lies..
are standard marxist/leftist/socialist/liberal bill of fare..
lies yes…buy not barkleys lies…
hes just the one thats reading the text at the moment…
hillary will be reading that same text soon enough..

so theres those lies also…the basic lefty lib ones..

going2mars on November 19, 2013 at 1:13 AM

Was there an Old World Order?

kcewa on November 19, 2013 at 1:11 AM

There was, of course, an older New World Order which met its end with Adolf in the bunker.

viking01 on November 19, 2013 at 1:14 AM

Hi Scrumpy – tafj has her tests tomorrow. Pray that they go well.

Schadenfreude on November 19, 2013 at 1:17 AM

burrata on November 19, 2013 at 1:08 AM

I cannot see the US becoming an Islamic state, too many people here for that to be successful, but with everything that is coming at us from all sides, I see it as more of a non traditional communistic socialistic democratic hybrid…

Somthing that we can be easily eased into with out too much fuss, except, for a moment in time, Obama screwed up with Obamacare, but single payer will be next…

Stealth is the name and we, those of us here and many others, see it coming but our kids and grandkids won’t even know, or realise what has happened…

Scrumpy on November 19, 2013 at 1:18 AM

He already told us he was a mohammedian. Remember stufalumpulus corrected him in 2008?

Murphy9 on November 19, 2013 at 1:10 AM

Totally forgot about that one !
So far, we have been right about his —- compulsive chronic lying, pedigree, lack of academic qualifications, mental illness, emotional instability, suspicious associations and malicious instincts .
I’m sure we’re right about his muziness too .

burrata on November 19, 2013 at 1:18 AM

Schadenfreude on November 19, 2013 at 1:17 AM

I certainy will, thank you :)

Scrumpy on November 19, 2013 at 1:19 AM

kcewa on November 19, 2013 at 1:11 AM

Yep, I think so…

We are just the pawns in a vast world chess game, they have to keep us happy to a point and steadily ‘guide’ us to what they really want, we ill be ‘thinned’ out by attrition, disease, what they want is obedience to the govt nd what better way than to offer ‘free’ stuff, it works doesn’t it?!

All the LIVs just love free stuff, and we all become the poorer for it, until, we all will be equal, except for the elite who will rule us…

Scrumpy on November 19, 2013 at 1:22 AM

burrata on November 19, 2013 at 1:18 AM

He is a muslim no doubt, but Islam doesn’t fit the agenda… think about it.
A nation this size needs serfs, and if not us then our kids and grandkids…

Scrumpy on November 19, 2013 at 1:24 AM

The Hollies – “King Midas in Reverse”

If you could only see me
I know exactly where I am
You wouldn’t want to be me
Oh I can assure you of that

I’m not the guy to run with
Because I’ll throw you off the line
I’ll break you and destroy you
Given time

He’s King Midas with a curse
He’s King Midas in reverse

It’s plain to see it’s hopeless
Goin’ on the way we are
So even though I’ll lose you
You’d be better off by far

He’s not the man to hold your trust
Everything he touches turns to dust
In his hands
Nothing he can do is right
He’d even like to sleep at night
But he can’t

All he touches turns to dust

I wish someone would find me
And help me gain control
Before I lose my reason
And my soul

Anti-Control on November 19, 2013 at 1:27 AM

A friend of mine here last night bemoaned the fact that some people have become filled with Rage at the Injustice which Obamacare – and Obama – have effected on them, and are expressing it in “untoward” fashions.

I disagreed. I believe that – as long as it is expression – there are no “untoward” ways to express it.

I posted a Classic Clip from Young Frankenstein that shows how people who have been denied justice react.

There are two words that have been deleted from our Social Discourse for a LOOONG Long time:

– Justice

– Accountability

“Accountability” means more that just “firing someone” – the way The Media uses it. Justice, on the other hand – is complicated:

“I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice cannot sleep forever.
Thomas Jefferson”

Why do you think Jefferson was “trembling”? It wasn’t because Justice would come peacefully. Justice is messy – often violent – and comes with “collateral damage”:

Fiat iustitia et pereat mundus.
Let justice be done, though the world perish.

-Motto of Ferdinand I, Holy Roman Emperor, quoted in Locorum Communium Collectanea (1563)

I understand the victim’s feelings on this. And I sympathize, I do. But for good or ill, the justice system doesn’t work on behalf of victims; it works on behalf of justice.
-Jeff Fecke, on a victim’s plea to drop rape charges against Roman Polanski, as quoted in “Reminder : Roman Polanski raped a child”

When people have been denied justice – they may choose to riot. I say let them – for two reasons:

1. I am powerless over them, and it is beyond arrogant for me to sit in judgement of them or stop them.

2. The process of exacting justice that they pursue may be a spiritually cleansing process – that allows the universe to equilibrate the stresses foisted upon it by egregious wrongdoing……and it is consistent with The Second Law of Thermodynamics which says: Entropy Is Constantly Increasing.

What level of injustice must this Administration Superimpose on our Society before the inevitable rioting begins? When it starts – it will be messy….there will be “collateral damage” – which may include me…….and when it’s over – the Laws of the Universe will have released the temporary man-made artificial stresses that Obama and his cronies imposed upon it……..

I have no desire to riot myself – but it someone wants to, or wants to express the outrage that is throbbing at the Core of Their Being because of Obama’s Application of injustice – I say: Let them.

I am serene enough to know that I cannot “control” them – and it’s probably better for ALL of us in the long run…….

williamg on November 19, 2013 at 1:27 AM

i know this is a real shock…/s

http://nypost.com/2013/11/18/census-faked-2012-election-jobs-report/

since the government employees seem to increasingly act as political agents it is not totally surprising that the unemployment rate could be a little fishy

r keller on November 19, 2013 at 1:29 AM

Speaking of pathological liars…

John Edwards Revisits His Past, Hanging Law Shingle Again

kcewa on November 19, 2013 at 1:31 AM

…I have no desire to riot myself – but it someone wants to, or wants to express the outrage that is throbbing at the Core of Their Being because of Obama’s Application of injustice – I say: Let them.
I am serene enough to know that I cannot “control” them – and it’s probably better for ALL of us in the long run…….
williamg on November 19, 2013 at 1:27 AM

Very well said wg!!

Scrumpy on November 19, 2013 at 1:31 AM

Is the twitter user @themorningspew a commenter here? You guys have to follow this person. They’re hilarious. They do battle with the liberal trolls on twitter every day. Always has great comebacks. Sometimes highlighted on twitchy.

bluegill on November 19, 2013 at 1:32 AM

Anti-Control on November 19, 2013 at 1:27 AM

Hmmmm, seems they knew a long time ago what was gonna happen, since it happened before in the past, did they have Sparky’s magic 8 ball?! :)

Scrumpy on November 19, 2013 at 1:32 AM

One more important quote – a wise man once said:

“Justice Delayed (as it has been here for a long time) – is Justice Denied”

The Longer Justice is Delayed or Denied – the more “pressure” is built up in the structures of the Universe that aches to relieve it in accordance with Natural Laws…….example: Nature Loves A Sphere.

I allow natural processes to occur as they must – being cognizant of them, and making as sure as possible that I am out of the way of them, once they initiate.

I learned that from working at Nuclear Power plants……….

williamg on November 19, 2013 at 1:32 AM

…I have no desire to riot myself – but it someone wants to, or wants to express the outrage that is throbbing at the Core of Their Being because of Obama’s Application of injustice – I say: Let them.
I am serene enough to know that I cannot “control” them – and it’s probably better for ALL of us in the long run…….
williamg on November 19, 2013 at 1:27 AM

Very well said wg!!

Scrumpy on November 19, 2013 at 1:31 AM

God Bless you, Dear, Dear Scrumpy!!

So incredibly GOOD to see you!

williamg on November 19, 2013 at 1:35 AM

I’m sure we’re right about his muziness too .

burrata on November 19, 2013 at 1:18 AM

Hussein was born and raised a muzzie. No doubt about that, but his attitude is strictly “jealous third-world retard bent on exacting revenge against the US and the West”. His muzziness only comes into play in that it is anti-Western, though his deranged personality was built on a muzzie foundation.

All Barky really wants is to bring this society down – painfully – and to tear the West to shreds. He sees himself as the Avenging Angel of the Third World, brought to wreak destruction on us for having shamed his people with our intelligence, advancements, freedoms, wealth, creativity, success and civilized manner. The muzzieness only works as a tool in that demented quest.

It’s a real shame because if Barky were ever held to the standards of a normal person he’d be pushing a mop around, at best. But, affirmative action and white guilt has handed him powers above and beyond anything in the Constitution and he has used them to destroy America, not that it was a difficult task, given the leeway he was allowed by the paternalistic, suicidal white guilters and the rest of the America-haters that support him. It’s no big feat for a 10 year old to run an aircraft carrier aground. Just make him captain and let him do whatever he wants.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on November 19, 2013 at 1:35 AM

New World Order

kcewa on November 19, 2013 at 1:35 AM

williamg on November 19, 2013 at 1:32 AM

Wise words indeed wg :)

Scrumpy on November 19, 2013 at 1:35 AM

If you are into gangster movies, I’d like to recommend a Korean one called “New World.”. Runs about two hours, and itson Netflix. Seems like most of the great new movies I’ve seen lately have been Korean or Chinese. There is another one on Netflix called “Accident”. Accident is about an assassin that contrives rube Goldberg scenarios to assassinate people. The movie has a great twist and is very compelling. I had to take a break from my x-files marathon. The long dark walk across the plant to the bathroom was getting pretty trippy. lol

Murphy9 on November 19, 2013 at 1:36 AM

He is a muslim no doubt, but Islam doesn’t fit the agenda… think about it.
A nation this size needs serfs, and if not us then our kids and grandkids…

Scrumpy on November 19, 2013 at 1:24 AM

He instituted jiziah with ObamCAIR, just like that and no one batted an eye . He instituted it with taquiyya and continues to enforce it with taquiyya.
We will all be serfs ( to islam ), nudge by nudge, and then one fine day in 2014 , we’d be like
” WTF happened ?”
He is consolidating things so they are easy to handle under the koran because koran is not a living breathing document .

burrata on November 19, 2013 at 1:37 AM

williamg on November 19, 2013 at 1:35 AM

Thank You!! Ditto :)

Haven’t felt much like participating, everyone always beats me to the ‘punch’ and I do so hate to rant on here, which I have done, so I chill out…

There is only so much one can say, and not many ways to say it!

I let the smarter more knowledgeable ones here comment and I read them!!

Scrumpy on November 19, 2013 at 1:38 AM

Murphy9 on November 19, 2013 at 1:36 AM

Funny you should say that, been watching K and C movies myself :)

Scrumpy on November 19, 2013 at 1:40 AM

burrata on November 19, 2013 at 1:37 AM

I don’t agree, because there would be far too much blood shed, too many americans would fight to the death, ad plus the fact that we currently outnumber any islamists here, it is far more subtle than that, this is a take over that has been on-going for decades…

Scrumpy on November 19, 2013 at 1:42 AM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on November 19, 2013 at 1:35 AM

Love all your comments, thank you! :)

Scrumpy on November 19, 2013 at 1:44 AM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on November 19, 2013 at 1:35 AM

Yep.

I’m amazed that so few, especially those on ‘our side’ actually grasp that.

Sure, for the first couple of years, nice people of conservative bent might have wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt…. But with 6 years of evidence of the contrary, they still think that he is merely incompetent.

But only fools continue with that notion now.

LegendHasIt on November 19, 2013 at 1:45 AM

If you are into gangster movies, I’d like to recommend a Korean one called “New World.”. Runs about two hours, and itson Netflix. Seems like most of the great new movies I’ve seen lately have been Korean or Chinese.

Murphy9 on November 19, 2013 at 1:36 AM

I checked to see if anyone had uploaded it to youtube but there’s only a trailer for it. I’ll check a few times to see if I can catch it or I’ll just pick it up online elsewhere …

I’d recommend a Japanese movie, “Brother”. It’s about 5 or 10 years old, I think. Neat film. It’s more of a fable than a realistic film. Very, very good, though. At least, I thought so.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on November 19, 2013 at 1:45 AM

williamg on November 19, 2013 at 1:35 AM

Thank You!! Ditto :)

Haven’t felt much like participating, everyone always beats me to the ‘punch’ and I do so hate to rant on here, which I have done, so I chill out…

There is only so much one can say, and not many ways to say it!

I let the smarter more knowledgeable ones here comment and I read them!!

Scrumpy on November 19, 2013 at 1:38 AM

….nothing is a sweeter anodyne to the world-torn human soul than a “rant” from you!!

I Love Them!

Take good care of yourself, Scrumpy dear!

williamg on November 19, 2013 at 1:46 AM

A friend of mine here last night bemoaned the fact that some people have become filled with Rage at the Injustice which Obamacare – and Obama – have effected on them, and are expressing it in “untoward” fashions.

I disagreed. I believe that – as long as it is expression – there are no “untoward” ways to express it.

I have no desire to riot myself – but it someone wants to, or wants to express the outrage that is throbbing at the Core of Their Being because of Obama’s Application of injustice – I say: Let them.

williamg on November 19, 2013 at 1:27 AM

Since this is directed at me (I don’t take it personally, just to let you know :)) I will correct it, because it’s a misrepresentation what I said & meant.

I wasn’t bemoaning the fact that people were angry & upset by Preezy Choom & ChoomCare, I said that I considered it unacceptable for people to allow themselves be so consumed by rage & vengeance that they would in effect forget about the suffering Preezy Choom was causing innocent people. IOW, I was being critical of their focus, not their emotional states themselves.

Since I don’t believe you believe that every expression of emotion is equally healthy (you are not a supporter of verbal abuse nor recklessness while rioting, for instance,) I don’t see how we could have a real disagreement about what I was saying…

Anti-Control on November 19, 2013 at 1:47 AM

williamg on November 19, 2013 at 1:43 AM

Oh My! That is soooooo EFFIN’ Good!!!! Buahhhhahahaha o_0

Scrumpy on November 19, 2013 at 1:48 AM

President Barack Obama told a conference-call audience of 200,000 progressive volunteers on Monday evening that ‘more than 100 million Americans’ – in a nation of less than 314 million – have successfully signed up for health insurance via the Affordable Care Act.

At best, the man is delusional .. at worst, incapable of telling the truth

Just ask his wife … Morgan Fairchild

J_Crater on November 19, 2013 at 1:49 AM

williamg on November 19, 2013 at 1:46 AM

Doing my best I am!! You also wg, take care :)

Scrumpy on November 19, 2013 at 1:50 AM

Scrumpy on November 19, 2013 at 1:48 AM

Hi my friend. Lanceman was here today. Up thread.

SparkPlug on November 19, 2013 at 1:51 AM

I’d recommend a Japanese movie, “Brother”. It’s about 5 or 10 years old, I think. Neat film. It’s
more of a fable than a realistic film. Very, very good, though. At least, I thought so.
ThePrimordialOrderedPair on November 19, 2013 at 1:45 AM

That’s in my Netflix cue. Another good one, a revenge flick, is called “Oldboy.”. I believe they are remaking it in hollyweird. Yep just checked…spike Lee is doing it. I will not be seeing the remake!

Murphy9 on November 19, 2013 at 1:51 AM

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