Quotes of the day

posted at 10:31 pm on November 18, 2013 by Allahpundit

Vice President Joe Biden expressed confidence Monday that the administration is going to fix the embattled federal healthcare website.

“The truth is, we’re going to fix it,” Biden said at Ellington Field airport in Houston, speaking to volunteers working to help people enroll in health insurance under the Affordable Care Act.

“God willing,” he added later.

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Busted website, canceled policies, lousy early enrollment numbers. And that could be just the warmup.

Because the lesson of the last six weeks is that when it comes to the Obamacare rollout, if it can go wrong, it probably will.

The stumble-filled debut of President Barack Obama’s health care law is drawing new attention to the other risks that have been on the radar screen of health care wonks for months. Think health insurance plans sinking under the weight of sick customers, newly insured people being stunned that they still have to spend on health care, and possibly another wave of canceled policies — right before the 2014 elections.

They’re mostly worst-case scenarios, and an Obamacare recovery in the next few months could still prevent some of the biggest ones from ever happening. But health care experts are taking all of them a lot more seriously now — because at this point, why wouldn’t they?

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The Obama administration is lowering the bar again on the problem-plagued ObamaCare website, saying that it will be “greatly improved” by month’s end — not fixed.

“The consumer experience … will be greatly improved for the vast majority of users by November 30,” Henry Chao, the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services’ deputy chief information officer, will tell House investigators on Tuesday, according to written testimony obtained by Fox News.

Chao’s testimony, 11 days before the fix deadline, appears to be the most recent case of the administration attempting to lower expectations, or at least prepare Americans for more problems when attempting to enter the site to purchase insurance policies that begin coverage January 1.

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1. The Washington Post reported on Sunday that the Obama administration will consider the new online marketplace a success if 80 percent of users can buy health insurance. That is absurd. First, it’s another broken promise. The president and his advisers responded to the disastrous rollout last month by vowing to deliver an Amazon.com-quality website by the end of November. (If history remembers President Obama for one thing, other than his barrier-breaking 2008 election, it might be the outsized and unmet expectations that paved the path of his presidency.) Second, in what other line of work is 20 percent failure considered a success? If one out of every five meals served by a restaurant is inedible, the joint goes out of business.

2. The same story by Amy Goldstein and Juliet Eilperin revealed that the Health and Human Services Department hired technology contractors without requiring specific performance criteria. It is customary in the private sector to include benchmarks in technology contracts. Not so with the seat-of-their-smarty-pants Obama administration. “The meaning of success was defined for the first time during the panicky days of October, when White House officials belatedly recognized that the federal exchange had serious software and hardware defects,” The Post reported.

3. Incompetence is one thing. Secrecy is another. The administration that promised to be the most transparent ever settled on the “80-percent-is-better-than-nothing” construction without making it public. The Post story is based on unidentified sources. The president suggested for the first time last week that the site would not be perfect, but he did not go into detail. He should.

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It gets worse. As the American Enterprise Institute’s Dr. Scott Gottlieb has pointed out, there is already a second wave of cancellations set to come right before the 2014 mid-term elections. It turns out that many small businesses with fewer than 50 employees, who buy in the small-group market, were able to exploit a loophole in Obamacare and avoid for one year the mandates being placed on plans in the individual market. Those businesses get to keep offering coverage that does not meet Obamacare requirements until the end of 2014. But, Gottlieb writes, that means that “starting in October 2014, many employees of small businesses will start getting the same notices that are now being mailed to individuals, informing that their existing health plans are also being cancelled.”

In other words, right before Election Day 2014, people in the small-group market are scheduled to lose their plans. If the fix Obama announced last week succeeds, then many more in the individual market will also lose their plans at the very same time — and Democrats could lose control of the Senate…

So even if the Web site does work a year from now, it won’t matter because Obamacare will be unaffordable. Those losing their plans right before Election Day will be in the same bind they are in today. Except there will be potentially millions more of them than there are today.

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Even in the face of rough public opinion, the mantra of Congressional Democrats has been to fix the health care law, not cater to Republican extremism to repeal it. But after the president’s press conference last week, there’s been a palpable pessimism in Democratic strategists’ thinking. When I asked one Democratic campaign operative why blue-state Senate candidates like Peters and Braley would support a bill that the White House said would gut Obamacare, the answer was: “We’re on our own. We don’t care what the White House says. Would you trust them?”

That’s the type of thinking that could endanger a health care law that seemed untouchable several months ago. If the administration can’t fix the myriad problems ailing the health care exchange website, and more sob stories emerge about people losing or paying significantly more for their insurance, it’s an unsustainable formula for Democrats. There’s not much time left on the election clock to turn things around. They’ve shown unfailing loyalty to the president, but unless he manages an unlikely fourth quarter comeback, those bonds could break — and the results could get ugly.

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An engaged chief executive would have been demanding frequent and detailed progress reports from his team. He would have gotten early warnings about possible glitches. But this president is tragically and inexcusably hands-off…

At the time the law was passed, administration leaders and many commentators compared the Affordable Care Act to Social Security and Medicare. The analogy was never apt. These great achievements are public public programs, efficient to administer and testament to the fact that government can serve social objectives far more effectively than the private sector.

Obamacare, by contrast, is the inefficiency of “public-private partnerships” at its worst. It is a public subsidy for the private insurance industry. No fewer than 55 separate contractors were hired to design the software. Yet though it is not a true public program worthy of the name, Obamacare is being used to discredit government.

Taking the long view, it looks increasingly as if 2008 was a missed historical moment.

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Emboldened conservatives and worried liberals alike agree that the future of the Democratic Party’s plausible agenda, and of liberalism itself, is on the line.

Obama’s challenge is now nothing less than to assure that the cycle of progressivism he presumed to usher in, and the period of renewed faith and confidence in the transformative powers of government that he promised, does not die aborning. That will be no easy task.

“Unlike the Republican agenda, the Democratic agenda does not work unless people have a certain level of trust in the competence of the government to act on their behalf,” said William Galston, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, who 25 years ago helped launch the centrist “New Democratic” agenda that brought the Democrats back from years in the presidential wilderness. “That is, if you will, the Democratic proposition. It’s not to say that the government should do everything, but it is to say there’s an indispensable — and not necessarily small — role for government at every level.”…

“Case studies are going to be written about this for years to come,” said David Gergen, director of the Center for Public Leadership at Harvard’s Kennedy School and a bipartisan veteran of three White House staffs. “I’m not sure people are ever going to be able to totally unravel this story — it beggars belief.”

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It turns out if you sell a health care plan on the basis that we won’t increase the debt and nobody will be a loser, then, when there are losers, they get really mad. And there were bound to be losers. And so that’s part of it.

But part of it is just the weakening of the law, the weakening of support for the law, and the weakening of the own president’s authority to say, trust me, trust me. I’m really struck by the downward slide that he’s doing.

I’m a little surprised by it, frankly. And what’s interesting is, compared to Reagan and Clinton in their second terms, had very similar popular approval ratings, which were going up at this point. George W. Bush and Barack Obama have extremely similar downward slopes. Bush’s went all the way through, caused by Iraq and Katrina, and, in Obama’s case, health care and other things.

And one of the things that strikes me is the country has changed, much more cynical, much more anti-Washington and, as a result of that, much less likely to come in a big collective effort to help some uninsured off, so much more skeptical of the law, and, second, when it is not implemented properly, much more punishing on the government. And so that makes it very fragile to me.

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It is bad enough that self-employed and individually insured Americans are being dictated to from a faraway city. After all, there is neither a moral nor legal provision in the United States Constitution that allows the executive to decide what free men should choose to buy. And yet it gets worse when one acknowledges that the services that the government wishes to foist upon the individual market are generally inferior. “President Obama will soon become the country’s biggest purveyor of second-rate coverage,” doctor and former FDA official Scott Gottlieb (no relation to Lori) wrote in the New York Post. “Many of the policies sold in the exchanges are ‘narrow network’ plans with very limited choice of doctors.” Hard workers could be forgiven for looking at their efforts and wondering, “Why bother?”

One of the things that has distinguished America from the social democracies of Europe is that its safety net was just that: a net into which one might fall but in which one would not be enveloped. In Europe, one is pushed into interaction with the government as a matter of course — and even encouraged to engage. In America, there was traditionally help if you really needed it, but you had to be old or poor or disabled first. Obamacare changes that, interfering in the lives of the millions of Americans who had no intention of getting involved with the state and saying breezily to the self-sustaining middle class that there is no escape from the insidious meddling of a corpulent Uncle Sam — even if they do work hard and play by the rules every day.

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“What I’m hearing from the White House is: There will be changes to the president’s team coming out of this, but they are not looking to fire anyone now.”


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If you are into gangster movies, I’d like to recommend a Korean one called “New World.”. Runs about two hours, and itson Netflix. Seems like most of the great new movies I’ve seen lately have been Korean or Chinese.

Murphy9 on November 19, 2013 at 1:36 AM

anti-gangsters

Johnny Cash – God’s Gonna Cut You Down (The Boondock Saints)

kcewa on November 19, 2013 at 1:52 AM

J_Crater on November 19, 2013 at 1:49 AM

PATHOLOGICAL DERANGED LIAR IS THE OBOOBMA

so saith Scrumpy…

Scrumpy on November 19, 2013 at 1:54 AM

Preach it Scrumpy. Lolz.

SparkPlug on November 19, 2013 at 1:56 AM

Hey, it’s lonely over here by myself ):

Scrumpy on November 19, 2013 at 1:57 AM

SparkPlug on November 19, 2013 at 1:56 AM

Hello Sparky!! How you be? :)

Scrumpy on November 19, 2013 at 1:57 AM

I wasn’t bemoaning the fact that people were angry & upset by Preezy Choom & ChoomCare, I said that I considered it unacceptable for people to allow themselves be so consumed by rage & vengeance that they would in effect forget about the suffering Preezy Choom was causing innocent people. IOW, I was being critical of their focus, not their emotional states themselves.

Since I don’t believe you believe that every expression of emotion is equally healthy (you are not a supporter of verbal abuse nor recklessness while rioting, for instance,) I don’t see how we could have a real disagreement about what I was saying…

Anti-Control on November 19, 2013 at 1:47 AM

Any expression of frustration – and even rage – is an acceptable expression, as long as it remains within the scope and definition of an “expression“………

The process of justice – on the other hand – gets Messy – and none of us gets to control it…..

See – I didn’t “call you out” AC……I just kind of wanted to use our discussion as springboard for a fuller “expression” of my thoughts……thanks for clarifying yours…..I thought we were more in agreement than not the whole time, anyway…..it was a good portal for considering our current conundrum, though!

williamg on November 19, 2013 at 1:58 AM

Scrumpy on November 19, 2013 at 1:57 AM

I’m dandy but Barky is looking mighty chimpy these days.

SparkPlug on November 19, 2013 at 1:58 AM

Hey, it’s lonely over here by myself ):

Scrumpy on November 19, 2013 at 1:57 AM

Heh.

I’ll bring you some music until the crowd shows up:

Morcheeba – Part of the Process

This was another one of those songs I heard once and had to have it. Good music, though the group is totally out of their minds. Luckily, as hard as they try, most of their lyrics just don’t make any sense so they’re easy to enjoy :)

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on November 19, 2013 at 2:00 AM

SparkPlug on November 19, 2013 at 1:58 AM

YOU have been on a roll lately!! Luv your quips…endlessly surprising and so dang funny!!

Scrumpy on November 19, 2013 at 2:00 AM

Hmmmm, seems they knew a long time ago what was gonna happen, since it happened before in the past, did they have Sparky’s magic 8 ball?! :)

Scrumpy on November 19, 2013 at 1:32 AM

lol :)

Gary Numan – “You Are in My Vision”

Anti-Control on November 19, 2013 at 2:02 AM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on November 19, 2013 at 2:00 AM

Hmmmm, quite pleasing to the ear I must say!! Thanks for sharing :)

Scrumpy on November 19, 2013 at 2:03 AM

williamg on November 19, 2013 at 1:46 AM

Doing my best I am!! You also wg, take care :)

Scrumpy on November 19, 2013 at 1:50 AM

…..you see the effect you have, Scrumpy?

….EVERYONE shows up after they hear that You’re here!!

williamg on November 19, 2013 at 2:03 AM

Anti-Control on November 19, 2013 at 2:02 AM

GN was always interesting to say the least… thanks for playing it!

Scrumpy on November 19, 2013 at 2:05 AM

I don’t agree, because there would be far too much blood shed, too many americans would fight to the death, ad plus the fact that we currently outnumber any islamists here, it is far more subtle than that, this is a take over that has been on-going for decades…

Scrumpy on November 19, 2013 at 1:42 AM

I agree , this destruction has been going on for decades and we were never made aware of it by the media, we were kept too distracted to even notice what our enemies were up to while the compliant media covered up.
All hell broke loose though when the decades old coverup started cracking and we got to see collected works of —koran ,Soros, Alinsky, Ayers, Jarret, Jones, Mooch and Hussein , for which the same media had no answers but to call us racists.
Now, even though Hussein and his agenda has been exposed with proof, we still have people so stupid who even refuse to call him a marxist, let alone an islamist jihady.
Our country is in denial.
We need to first admit that we have a problem.
Then we need to admit the right problem.
Until then, God knows what is in store for our country:(

burrata on November 19, 2013 at 2:06 AM

williamg on November 19, 2013 at 2:03 AM

Magnetic ain’t I eh yeah innit… ;)

Scrumpy on November 19, 2013 at 2:06 AM

Any expression of frustration – and even rage – is an acceptable expression, as long as it remains within the scope and definition of an “expression“………

If you remember, last night I qualified “unacceptable” with “imo.

Do you think it’s false and that I shouldn’t have the opinion that some expressions of emotion are healthier & more constructive than others?

The process of justice – on the other hand – gets Messy – and none of us gets to control it…..

See – I didn’t “call you out” AC……I just kind of wanted to use our discussion as springboard for a fuller “expression” of my thoughts……thanks for clarifying yours…..I thought we were more in agreement than not the whole time, anyway…..it was a good portal for considering our current conundrum, though!

williamg on November 19, 2013 at 1:58 AM

If you remember, I also pointed out last night that I didn’t believe you were a being a jerk…I don’t care about disagreements when the respect is mutual. :)

Anti-Control on November 19, 2013 at 2:09 AM

Scrumpy on November 19, 2013 at 2:03 AM

My pleasure.

I’m going to repost the song I linked early in the thread (because I’ve listened to it another 8 or 9 times since then :) ).

Don’t feel obliged to listen … this is just a compulsion for me, at this point … I feel like Mel Gibson in Conspiracy Theory :)

Okkervil River – Down Down the Deep River

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on November 19, 2013 at 2:10 AM

burrata on November 19, 2013 at 2:06 AM

Will agree with you on that statement!

If only the ones who had read his books, as many of us did, I am sure, had come out and said exactly what kind of character he was, well many of us did.

But no one was effing listening were they!

Yes, look at what a fricking mess we are in now, you stupid people.

Are ya content to wallow in it?

Scrumpy on November 19, 2013 at 2:11 AM

williamg on November 19, 2013 at 1:58 AM
Anti-Control on November 19, 2013 at 2:09 AM

All right all right you two!

Do the man hug/back slap thing and make up eh!

We do not need to be disagreeing with each other ‘k?!! Good!!

Scrumpy on November 19, 2013 at 2:13 AM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on November 19, 2013 at 2:10 AM

I was just gonna go back and click on it and save it!

Thank you :)

Scrumpy on November 19, 2013 at 2:14 AM

anti-gangsters

Johnny Cash – God’s Gonna Cut You Down (The Boondock Saints)

kcewa on November 19, 2013 at 1:52 AM

I considered posting that one last night! :)

Johnny Cash – “Train of Love”

Anti-Control on November 19, 2013 at 2:17 AM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on November 19, 2013 at 2:10 AM

Compulsive eh? ;)

Quite like them actually, I can see why you listened to them 100 times… :) bookmarked for further listening…

Scrumpy on November 19, 2013 at 2:18 AM

All right all right you two!

Do the man hug/back slap thing and make up eh!

We do not need to be disagreeing with each other ‘k?!! Good!!

Scrumpy on November 19, 2013 at 2:13 AM

lol

Disagreements are not problems in and of themselves – williamg and I were not fighting at all! :)

Anti-Control on November 19, 2013 at 2:19 AM

well, time I was off!

God Bless everyone, and good night!!

* swoosh *

Scrumpy on November 19, 2013 at 2:20 AM

Anti-Control on November 19, 2013 at 2:19 AM

That’s good then! I misunderstood… :)

Later!!

Bye for now :)

Scrumpy on November 19, 2013 at 2:21 AM

If only the ones who had read his books, as many of us did, I am sure, had come out and said exactly what kind of character he was, well many of us did.

The funny thing is that none of Barky’s supporters read his books. They loved to drone on about how great they were but they just used them as decorations.

But no one was effing listening were they!

Nope. And when they did listen they just denied things that were obviously true and in black and white.

Yes, look at what a fricking mess we are in now, you stupid people.

Are ya content to wallow in it?

Scrumpy on November 19, 2013 at 2:11 AM

I’ve always been convinced that this is what most of his supporters wanted – the America-haters wanted this nation to suffer and die while the white guilters wanted to make Barky King as the ultimate act of atonement for the nation having been so succe3ssful and powerful.

And the squishes on our side are still deathly scared of being called “raaacists!!” They’d rather see everything fall than be tagged as “raaacists” by race-mongers. Of course, the joke’s been on them since they’ve gotten both.

Oh well. At least now everyone who cares knows how easy it is for a seemingly sane population to just suddenly lose it and go totally nuts. The very, very thin veneer of civilization.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on November 19, 2013 at 2:23 AM

nite scrumpy!

Murphy9 on November 19, 2013 at 2:27 AM

That’s good then! I misunderstood… :)

Yep. :)

I have a good friend from HS with whom I’ve never had an argument despite many disagreements over the years. I tried to explain to my ex-wife (while we were still married) how that worked, but it didn’t sink in (’til after we were divorced .)

Later!!

Bye for now :)

Scrumpy on November 19, 2013 at 2:21 AM

I hope you sleep (slept) well!

Anti-Control on November 19, 2013 at 2:36 AM

Yes, look at what a fricking mess we are in now, you stupid people.

Are ya content to wallow in it?

Scrumpy on November 19, 2013 at 2:11 AM

They don’t care, because revenge and hate is what keeps them ticking .
Hussein personifies their black hearts. He embodies their hatred and malice .

burrata on November 19, 2013 at 2:42 AM

…and when you wake up in the morning

equanimous on November 19, 2013 at 2:36 AM

Alice Cooper – “Sun Arise”

Anti-Control on November 19, 2013 at 2:42 AM

Even if some people can keep their old “substandard” plans, they will still be subject to the penalty tax because their plans don’t meet the Obamacare mandates. Of course, the LightBringer can get rid of that tax with a wave of his hand. Oh yeah…, but not legally.

Dhuka on November 19, 2013 at 2:44 AM

…anytime she goes away

equanimous on November 19, 2013 at 2:45 AM

Do you think it’s false and that I shouldn’t have the opinion that some expressions of emotion are healthier & more constructive than others?

Anti-Control on November 19, 2013 at 2:09 AM

No one said that you shouldn’t have any opinion you have.

Don’t go getting paranoid on me………do we need to give you a group hug?……or do the “falling backwards” trust exercise?

You’re fine.

Expression means just that – “expression“……..”acting out” doesn’t fall into that category – but pursuit of justice is another matter…….it’s part of nature, too….

You clarified your thoughts – and pointed to yourself when no one else did……easy.

You’re fine.

Let it go, bro…….no one is saying “J’accuse!”…….Listen to some Grateful Dead….or Allman Brothers…

Really……give yourself a break – you deserve it!

williamg on November 19, 2013 at 2:45 AM

…the sunrise and you

equanimous on November 19, 2013 at 2:48 AM

No one said that you shouldn’t have any opinion you have.

Don’t go getting paranoid on me………do we need to give you a group hug?……or do the “falling backwards” trust exercise?

You’re fine.

Expression means just that – “expression“……..”acting out” doesn’t fall into that category – but pursuit of justice is another matter…….it’s part of nature, too….

You clarified your thoughts – and pointed to yourself when no one else did……easy.

You’re fine.

Let it go, bro…….no one is saying “J’accuse!”…….Listen to some Grateful Dead….or Allman Brothers…

Really……give yourself a break – you deserve it!

williamg on November 19, 2013 at 2:45 AM

I don’t understand the difference between “expression” and “acting out” – so, I shouldn’t ask you what you mean, or, asking you means I am not letting something drop?

You are misreading/misunderstanding me again. lol

Anti-Control on November 19, 2013 at 2:54 AM

…anytime she goes away

equanimous on November 19, 2013 at 2:45 AM

The Rattles – “You Can`t Have Sunshine Every Day”

Anti-Control on November 19, 2013 at 2:56 AM

…the sunrise and you

equanimous on November 19, 2013 at 2:48 AM

Uriah Heep – “July Morning”

Neil Merryweather and the Space Rangers – “Sunshine Superman”

Anti-Control on November 19, 2013 at 3:05 AM

Report: The MSM-Hyped “97% of The World’s Climate Scientists” Agree Global Warming Is Real Turns Out To Be Only 75 People, Not 2,500 As Claimed…

Resist We Much on November 18, 2013 at 10:52 PM

Hahahaha…[breath]…Hahahahahaa…

Lourdes on November 19, 2013 at 3:24 AM

The Democrats’ ObamaCare Crackup:

Like many fearful conservatives, the president and his supporters have assumed all along that once more benefits were being distributed to the people, ObamaCare would become not only popular but also bulletproof. They now know that is not going to be the case. Democrats are still hoping against hope that the bill will work well enough to avoid complete disaster, but.. a considerable portion of her party wants insurance against the taint stink of ObamaCare. [strike mine]

anotherJoe on November 19, 2013 at 3:26 AM

For equanimous:

Snakefinger – “The Man in the Dark Sedan”

Video is a bit clearer, audio’s worse:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXV2UWiUeqI

I’m the man
In the dark sedan
I have come
To take your hand

I was sent down here to be sincere, truthful and steadfast
I came to say that judgement day of man has come to pass

Well, you can follow me
I guarantee
To take you far away
We must leave
Before the eve
Of everlasting gray

You will leave this place
And soon replace
The names of those you know
With a brotherhood
That has withstood
The leeches and the snow

Anti-Control on November 19, 2013 at 3:27 AM

What is going on in Wisconsin?

KCB on November 18, 2013 at 11:08 PM

Just your friendly, Sukarno-style junta in Washington working its way through the states. Nothing new. This is par for the course in the American Socialist Superstate. Reminds me of the Missouri DAs and state cops who alerted people in 2008 that they were going to investigate and prosecute campaign ads that weren’t deferential to the mental midget from Jakarta … only these guys in Wisconsin now have real power behind them.

Get used to it because it only gets worse.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on November 18, 2013 at 11:12 PM

The CA Socialist Superstate has been at this same thing for a while now. Retributions, “corrections” via union-illegal-alien dominated local govts statewide. Not to mention the fed employees in the state.

Lourdes on November 19, 2013 at 3:36 AM

You know, we created the Tea Party, and it was a great idea at first.

I hate establishment rinos like Christie and Bush (jeb) as much as the next guy, but we created this Tea Party to be a good influence, but it seems to be getting out of control, gaining a life of its own, and threatening to become an actual third party that will splinter us and lead to Dem victories when we are poised to mop up. Consider starting to question the Tea Party just as vociferously as we question the establishment.

I think the shutdown was good actually. But maybe we should quit why we are ahead sometimes. Don’t push our luck. We are ready to win. Rocking the boat has its time and place, but sometimes rocking the boat will just sink it.

anotherJoe on November 19, 2013 at 3:42 AM

Walk it back

anotherJoe on November 19, 2013 at 3:59 AM

…the sunrise and you

equanimous on November 19, 2013 at 2:48 AM

Uriah Heep – “July Morning”

Neil Merryweather and the Space Rangers – “Sunshine Superman”

Anti-Control on November 19, 2013 at 3:05 AM

Stevie Wonder & Ella Fitzgerald – You Are The Sunshine

kcewa on November 19, 2013 at 4:13 AM

kcewa on November 19, 2013 at 4:13 AM

Hi kcewa. If you’re still around, I wonder, do you agree at least somewhat with my Tea Party comment?

anotherJoe on November 19, 2013 at 4:22 AM

Meanwhile in Australia Abbott Derangement Syndrome is kicking in. Tony Abbott has only been in office two months and he been accused of everything from wildfires to floods to Super Typhoon Haiyan.

The Labor Party’s realization that it is going to be out of office for a long time is starting to sink in.

Also Abbott’s fight against Anthropogenic Global Warming scaremongers is important not only for Australia but for the rest of the world. I think the tide is finally starting to turn on that subject.

Crux Australis on November 19, 2013 at 4:30 AM

To me the Tea Party really is just a label. And it’s probably more trouble than it’s worth. Many people I know who are not political but are open to conservative ideas just shy away from anything that is given that label. I love what the Tea Party accomplished though.

Funny thing is that I’m descended from this guy on my Father’s side. I love to kid my brother about that – my brother that loves Obama.

kcewa on November 19, 2013 at 4:59 AM

kcewa on November 19, 2013 at 4:13 AM

Hi kcewa. If you’re still around, I wonder, do you agree at least somewhat with my Tea Party comment?

anotherJoe on November 19, 2013 at 4:22 AM

And yeah shutting down the government again (or letting them shut it down and blame us) wouldn’t be a good idea. Not when we have a chance of being seen as the guys that are trying to fix things.

kcewa on November 19, 2013 at 5:05 AM

Also Abbott’s fight against Anthropogenic Global Warming scaremongers is important not only for Australia but for the rest of the world. I think the tide is finally starting to turn on that subject.

Crux Australis on November 19, 2013 at 4:30 AM

I hope you’re right about the tide.

kcewa on November 19, 2013 at 5:16 AM

kcewa on November 19, 2013 at 5:05am

And I was told I was related to Ethan Allen. But after considerable (internet) research, I had to conclude that that was bogus. Anyway, I don’t want rino type candidates, but some of us should consider calling the Tea Party back for a discussion. Of note is this USA Today article just out: Tea Party Escalates Republican Civil War.

The Tea Party is us.
It is you and me.
It’s not some outside force.
We can change the world on this.
We can spread the word.
We can call the Tea Party back home.
(my first poem!)

anotherJoe on November 19, 2013 at 5:23 AM

The Obama administration is lowering the bar again on the problem-plagued ObamaCare website, saying that it will be “greatly improved” by month’s end — not fixed.

liar, period.

morning folks!!!

cmsinaz on November 19, 2013 at 5:25 AM

so the meme of the left/lsm is where is the gop’s plan?

LOL, they’ve had lots of plans brought to the table, you guys just wouldn’t listen to them….

cmsinaz on November 19, 2013 at 5:28 AM

Of note is this USA Today article just out: Tea Party Escalates Republican Civil War.

I don’t see any problem with fighting in the primaries. In Mississippi the Republican nominee is going to win the general. Thad Cochran is pretty much about going to DC to get money and send it home.

kcewa on November 19, 2013 at 5:34 AM

so i guess the squirrel(s) of the day are the cheney family feud and george zimmerman…right?

cmsinaz on November 19, 2013 at 5:36 AM

so the meme of the left/lsm is where is the gop’s plan?

LOL, they’ve had lots of plans brought to the table, you guys just wouldn’t listen to them….

cmsinaz on November 19, 2013 at 5:28 AM

At least they’re asking (well not really).

kcewa on November 19, 2013 at 5:38 AM

kcewa on November 19, 2013 at 5:38 AM

yep

cmsinaz on November 19, 2013 at 5:43 AM

I don’t understand the difference between “expression” and “acting out”

You are misreading/misunderstanding me again. lol

Anti-Control on November 19, 2013 at 2:54 AM

Read Jung – Let It Go

No – no one is.

Jeez……!

williamg on November 19, 2013 at 5:47 AM

Private consulting firm warned of glitches before healthcare.gov launch

A newly disclosed report indicates that officials in the Obama administration and the Department of Health and Human Services received warnings from a private consultant group that the federal online healthcare enrollment site could potentially fail to function properly for the October 1 launch date.

The analysis by McKinsey & Company was requested by the White House. It identified various problems with the exchange, including limited testing time and resources before the launch, and found that call-in centers wouldn’t function properly if the website malfunctioned

CNN received the report from the House Energy and Commerce Committee. The committee said Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius received a briefing at the HHS headquarters with these concerns on April 4, along with acting administrator of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services Marilyn Tavenner and White House chief technology officer Todd Park. Park was also present at a briefing on March 28 at the CMS headquarters in Baltimore, Maryland.

“Despite assurances from Secretary Sebelius, Marilyn Tavenner, and Gary Cohen that ‘all was well’ and ‘on track’ with the launch of the Affordable Care Act, we now have documents dating back to April that call into question what they told us,” said Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations Chairman Tim Murphy (R-Pennsylvania).

kcewa on November 19, 2013 at 5:50 AM

FDR – “The New Deal”.
Truman – “The Fair Deal”
Obama – “The Raw Deal”.
Hillary – “The What Difference Does It Make Now Deal”.

VorDaj on November 19, 2013 at 6:00 AM

Read Jung – Let It Go

No – no one is.

Jeez……!

williamg on November 19, 2013 at 5:47 AM

I’ll let it go, on this note:

No one said that you shouldn’t have any opinion you have.

williamg on November 19, 2013 at 2:45 AM

this comment of yours is a lie.

Ok, now I’ll let it go! :)

Anti-Control on November 19, 2013 at 6:01 AM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obamas-ratings-tumble-after-health-care-flaws/2013/11/18/c9cdbc2c-507c-11e3-9fe0-fd2ca728e67c_story.html?hpid=z1

For the first time in Obama’s presidency, a bare majority of Americans, 52 percent, say they have an unfavorable impression of him, with 46 percent saying they view him favorably. Those ratings have declined from a net positive of 23 points at the time of his inauguration in January.

On three measures of leadership and empathy that have been tested repeatedly in Post-ABC polls, Obama now is underwater on all three for the first time. Half or more now say he is not a strong leader, does not understand the problems of “people like you,” and is not honest and trustworthy. Perceptions of the president as a strong leader have dropped 15 points since January, and over the past year the percentage of registered voters who say he is not honest and trustworthy has increased 12 points.

The new survey also asked people whether they consider Obama a good manager. In what appears to be a direct link to the problems of the health-care rollout, 56 percent say no and 41 percent say yes.

One reason for the sharp decline in Obama’s standings is defection among independents and, to a lesser extent, self-identified moderates. Over the past month, the president’s overall job-disapproval rating has moved to a record-high 63 percent among independents and 50 percent among moderates. His disapproval specifically on handling the health-care rollout has increased 14 points among independents and moderates since October.

For only the second time in his presidency, just as many people say Obama’s views are too liberal as say his views on most issues are just right (45 percent vs. 43 percent). The last time he was perceived this way was two months before the 2010 midterm elections, when Republicans picked up 63 seats in the House.

kcewa on November 19, 2013 at 6:06 AM

kcewa on November 19, 2013 at 6:06 AM

awwwwww….
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cmsinaz on November 19, 2013 at 6:18 AM

Good Morning, Patriots! And, Trolls.
My take: Obamacare and America’s “Yutes”: The Thrill is Gone

kingsjester on November 19, 2013 at 6:37 AM

administration leaders and many commentators compared the Affordable Care Act to Social Security and Medicare. The analogy was never apt. These great achievements are public public programs, efficient to administer

LOL. That’s a good one.

The government itself admits that Medicare is rife with fraud and waste and pays out more than $30 billion in bogus claims every year.

In what alternate universe is that “efficient”?

AZCoyote on November 19, 2013 at 6:51 AM

Azcoyote…… the mj crew was praising govt on how medicare and Medicaid are a success story for them

I lol when I heard that

cmsinaz on November 19, 2013 at 7:00 AM

Good Morning, Patriots! And, Trolls.

And Canadians.

My take: Obamacare and America’s “Yutes”: The Thrill is Gone

kingsjester on November 19, 2013 at 6:37 AM

There’s one thing you missed. There are no jobs for the “yutes”. They are emerging from school with massive debt, no jobs and Obama wants them to pay for everyone else’s health care. HOW?

gh on November 19, 2013 at 7:07 AM

No one said that you shouldn’t have any opinion you have.

williamg on November 19, 2013 at 2:45 AM

this comment of yours is a lie.

Ok, now I’ll let it go! :)

Anti-Control on November 19, 2013 at 6:01 AM

You have issues – real ones. You need to get professional help.

No – that statement was not a”lie”. I certainly never said that you should hold any opinion you hold – or implied it.

Calling people “liars” without providing proof or a basis – is what Media Matters does. You’re sounding like that, now.

If you can’t post an explicit example where I specifically said that you “should not” have any opinion you hold – then YOU are a Liar……and if you have a scintilla self-respect and honor – you should retract that accusation.

I don’t expect you to – you have shown a level of OCD and Paranoia that needs to be medicated, here. I understand why you have an ex-wife. God Bless her – she was taking care of herself.

williamg on November 19, 2013 at 7:11 AM

They are emerging from school with massive debt, no jobs and Obama wants them to pay for everyone else’s health care. HOW?

gh on November 19, 2013 at 7:07 AM

I know how .
He’ll fatwa that kids up to 35 yrs can remain on their parents’ insurance.

burrata on November 19, 2013 at 7:12 AM

You have not let anything “go” – my guess is you never have…..and you’re stuck in an endless mental and emotional “do loop” because of it. so”

I’ll let it go, on this note:

That statement of yours is a Lie, and:

Ok, now I’ll let it go! :)

THAT statement of yours is a lie.

You are a liar – and you accuse others of lying to distract from your own.

williamg on November 19, 2013 at 7:15 AM

*No – that statement was not a”lie”. I certainly never said that you should NOT hold any opinion you hold – or implied it.

Left out the “not”

williamg on November 19, 2013 at 7:17 AM

Nice take KJ

cmsinaz on November 19, 2013 at 7:40 AM

My take: Obamacare and America’s “Yutes”: The Thrill is Gone

kingsjester on November 19, 2013 at 6:37 AM

…JugEars will come up with a program…that if the “Yufe” signs up for ObamaCare…their college loans will be ‘forgiven’…or sometin…sometin!

KOOLAID2 on November 19, 2013 at 7:40 AM

There’s one thing you missed. There are no jobs for the “yutes”. They are emerging from school with massive debt, no jobs and Obama wants them to pay for everyone else’s health care. HOW?

gh on November 19, 2013 at 7:07 AM

…and if they don’t move back home they have to leave the area to find a job…you can have 5 kids in 5 different states!

KOOLAID2 on November 19, 2013 at 7:46 AM

You have issues – real ones. You need to get professional help.

I don’t expect you to – you have shown a level of OCD and Paranoia that needs to be medicated, here.

williamg on November 19, 2013 at 7:11 AM

You have not let anything “go” – my guess is you never have…..and you’re stuck in an endless mental and emotional “do loop” because of it.

williamg on November 19, 2013 at 7:15 AM

You seem so mentally stable, noble, intellectual & purely fact-driven, too – I bow down in awe before you & your all-around superiority!

It didn’t take much to provoke you, and that your reaction doesn’t surprise me should tell you something, but I doubt it will…remember this one?

Read Jung – Let It Go

williamg on November 19, 2013 at 5:47 AM

I followed your advice demand, and let it go (on my terms, however, not yours, which doesn’t seem to be sitting well with you for some reason…) Why don’t you go ahead now, and “Let It Go” yourself? :)

Anti-Control on November 19, 2013 at 7:52 AM

Another disappointed Obama acolyte who is seething at his president…enjoy

excerpt:

” The state exchange number put me on hold. I hung up and called Premera. “You can sign up with us directly,” a very helpful rep told me, “but if there’s a chance your income could qualify you for a subsidy, it’s best to go through the state exchange.”

So: Back to the exchange website. Enter birth dates, zip code, tobacco use, yadda yadda, monthly income. Stop. Ponder.

Which month, brother? For that matter, which year? Do you want gross, net, before SE (self-employment tax, a k a Social Security payments) or after? AGI (adjusted gross income) from last year’s 1040?

For every business futurist who hails the coming of the independent contracting economy, the future that is The Brand of You, there are thousands of us out here actually building The Brand of You. It ain’t an easy hustle. If you want to get an idea of our monthly and yearly incomes, imagine a sine wave drawn by a drunken sailor. Last year my wife and I, we made out all right. This year’s kinda lean. Which year did the exchange want? Unclear.

I went to a friend and colleague—let’s call him Peter—for advice. He also had his individual medical policy cancelled because of Obamacare. “I’m stuck on the same question—income,” he told me. Peter does a little writing, a little farming, a little this and that to keep the ship afloat. “I got through to the exchange, and the woman there told me to just estimate what my income would be this year.” In other words: Make it up. If he overestimated, he’d be screwing himself out of a subsidy, Peter said. If he underestimated, he’d be hit with a big fat bill. He wasn’t sure he wouldn’t also be accused of fraud. So he called his accountant, who’s also a lawyer.

That only got him so far. At a certain point in the conversation, the accountant/lawyer had to get off the phone. “I have to stop answering your questions,” he told Peter. “I can’t ethically advise you, because honestly I don’t know the right thing to do. Nobody does. There are no answers. Right now it’s a complete clusterf*ck….”

Read more at http://observer.com/2013/11/my-obamacare-cancellation/#ixzz2l62EK3oh

workingclass artist on November 19, 2013 at 8:05 AM

http://icd10illustrated.com/

Disclaimer-I have nothing to do with this book, but it is a rif on the absurdities of the federal government in health care.
ICD-10 is the new set of billing codes (100,000) that health care provdiers will soon have to use to submit their claims to get compensation from Medicare. It includes many absurdities such as the burning water ski injury cited by Rand Paul. Someone got people to illustrate thir favorite stupid codes and turn it into a book. This is the link to Struck by Orca which shows some of the codes and illustration.

talkingpoints on November 19, 2013 at 8:07 AM

FDR – “The New Deal”.
Truman – “The Fair Deal”
Obama – “The Raw Deal”.
Hillary – “The What Difference Does It Make Now Deal”.

VorDaj on November 19, 2013 at 6:00 AM

No LBJ?

workingclass artist on November 19, 2013 at 8:08 AM

“The health-care law has become a political burden for elected officials who support it. Almost four in 10 Americans say they are more likely to oppose a politician who backs the legislation, while just over a fifth say they would be more likely to support such a politician. That’s the biggest gap recorded in Post-ABC polling during the entire debate over the law…”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obamas-ratings-tumble-after-health-care-flaws/2013/11/18/c9cdbc2c-507c-11e3-9fe0-fd2ca728e67c_story.html

workingclass artist on November 19, 2013 at 8:12 AM

Anti-Control on November 19, 2013 at 7:52 AM

Yeah – you’re still a liar – judging and name-calling others. Even Martin Bashir apologizes when he’s been inflammatory.

It didn’t take much to provoke you,

Interesting that you would admit that “provocation” was your motive all along. You kind of came across that way. That’s okay.

You didn’t succeed. I am not provoked or upset. I never “demanded” anything of you..suggestions are all anyone can make here…..unless you’ve given people some power over you that you’re not telling us.

Take your medication, AC…..and calm down.

Thanks for demonstrating that you’re not worth a person’s time.

That’s really too bad. I’ll pray for you.

williamg on November 19, 2013 at 9:53 AM

“The health-care law has become a political burden for elected officials who support it. Almost four in 10 Americans say they are more likely to oppose a politician who backs the legislation, while just over a fifth say they would be more likely to support such a politician. That’s the biggest gap recorded in Post-ABC polling during the entire debate over the law…”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obamas-ratings-tumble-after-health-care-flaws/2013/11/18/c9cdbc2c-507c-11e3-9fe0-fd2ca728e67c_story.html

workingclass artist on November 19, 2013 at 8:12 AM

WoW! THIS is a Big “F” deal! It shows that Cruz’s behavior was correct – and, if it continues – bodes apocolyptically for the Dems.

williamg on November 19, 2013 at 10:59 AM

Thanks for demonstrating that you’re not worth a person’s time.

This means you’re finally ready to follow your own advice demand, and “Let It Drop”? Hopefully, but having dealt with your type (obsessive) before, I doubt it! :)

That’s really too bad. I’ll pray for you.

williamg on November 19, 2013 at 9:53 AM

You’d be better off praying for yourself, your denial, and your obnoxious, ugly projection, but hey, what do I know compared to you – you’re the humble, classy, mind-reading, mentally stable expert on OCD, paranoia, psychiatric medications, and why my ex-wife divorced me (unBiblically I’ll add, which she herself admits, and which I know doesn’t really matter to you because that’s the ethical & unapologetic kind of guy you are! :))

ROFL

Anti-Control on November 19, 2013 at 11:43 AM

i know this is a real shock…/s

http://nypost.com/2013/11/18/census-faked-2012-election-jobs-report/

since the government employees seem to increasingly act as political agents it is not totally surprising that the unemployment rate could be a little fishy

r keller on November 19, 2013 at 1:29 AM

A little fishy? Let me start out by saying that the Zero Administration isn’t the first to fudge the numbers, they’ve just made an art form of it. Does anybody other than a Harvard Law graduate believe that the 7.3% figure even remotely represents the real unemployment rate? The method of calculating the unemployment rate is just the tip of the fraud iceberg, but let’s just accept that rate for a minute. The elephant in the room is the participation rate. In order to keep the published rate below what it really is, the number of those who want to work must be kept artificially low by increasing the numbers of those leaving the work force “voluntarily.” At the present rate, we are told that close to 40% of the work force in America simply chooses not to involve itself. Does anybody other than a Harvard Law graduate an Associate Deputy Undersecretary of whatever believe that? If we combine the Non-Participation rate with the unemployment rate we end up with a figure in the range of 45% of the workforce either unable to find work, too discouraged to look, or simply given up on any hope for the future. Admittedly, there are those who simply do not wish to participate in the work force, those who have other goal or resources, those who find criminal activity more profitable than work, those physically or mentally incapable of working. I have no empirical evidence of the numbers involved but I would be surprised if that number was much north of 20-25%. Even deducting the higher figure from my tally, we are still left with a practical unemployment rate of over 20%. In a work force of the size of America’s that gives us 50 million human beings left out from providing for their families, from following the American dream, from having the dignity of having a purpose in life. Sounds like a recipe for trouble to me. Now let’s enter into the mix the U.S. Chamber of Commerce telling those same people that we have to bring in up to 40 million new workers because they can’t find enough people to fill their vacancies.
Having already succeeded in depressing wages 20-30% in some areas,they are now gaming on depressing them even further. Nice work if you can get it. As upbeat as I want to be, I am beginning to believe that cynicism is the most realistic view of events at work today. Truth from any major political philosophy seems to be a scarce commodity, but I’d like to hear it once in a while. Guys, it’s not raining, quit peeing on my head.

yesiamapirate on November 19, 2013 at 4:22 PM

Anti-Control on November 19, 2013 at 11:43 AM

Sort of have an obsessive need to “get the last word in”, eh?

Thanks for sharing about your ex-marriage.

S’okay. Take your medications…….calm down, you’re stressing yourself out.

williamg on November 19, 2013 at 4:51 PM

Anti-Control on November 19, 2013 at 11:43 AM

By the way – sorry to hear about your divorce. I have friends that have gone through that. It was always a test for all of them.

williamg on November 19, 2013 at 5:22 PM

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