ObamaCare: Covering what comes next

posted at 8:01 am on November 18, 2013 by Karl

Obamacare: Covering What Comes Next” is the title of a January 2014 seminar for journalists sponsored by the Poynter Institute and the Robert R. McCormick Foundation. The seminar’s draft agenda includes a session on the “next shoes to drop” for Obamacare which seems illuminating. Let’s examine them in roughly chronological order:

Where will the fraud show up first? Funny you should ask: it’s already here, both from websites fraudulently imitating government exchanges and from the so-called navigators for Obamacare. To the degree fraud becomes any sort of significant story, it will not be a political plus for the White House or Democrats generally.

When new very high deductibles become reality: This will already be happening by the time of the seminar, along with high co-pays. It is already possible to look at charts of the plans offered in the exchanges and conclude this is not a plus for Obamacare.

New “super tight” networks that may not include the providers people want: The Allahpundit has been on this one repeatedly, and rightly so — particularly given that asking people to shop among plans via a government portal without telling them which doctors accept which plans is a recipe for disaster. In New Hampshire, the exchange attracted only one insurance provider, Anthem Blue Cross and Blue Shield, which has excluded 10 of the state’s 26 hospitals from the health plans it offers through the exchange. Similar issues lurked in Edie Sundby’s story. Obamacare will even reduce choice in the Medicare population. President Obama (and other Democrats, most likely) promised that if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. If Democrats thought the public got angry over the “If you like your plan” lie, they should imagine the public anger when people lose their doctors and hospitals. Doctors are not as easily demonized as health insurers; perhaps Obama will accuse them of unnecessarily removing your tonsils and amputating your feet for profit again.

Will the Young Invincibles sign up? The early results of signups in several states suggest not, which could lead to increases in insurance premiums and deductibles next year. In fairness, young healthy people have the least incentive to sign up early for O-care. On the other hand, they do not have much incentive to sign up for it in general. It is not just conservatives like Katrina Trinko pointing this out; it’s also lefties like Marc Rubin. High deductibles and co-pays affect young people less, but young men will suffer the worst of O-care’s premium shock. Asking young people to spend money on Obamacare will prove more difficult than asking for their vote.

Can providers handle the new load of patients? Good question, and one Democrats might have considered more thoroughly before enacting the law. America already has a worsening shortage of doctors, just at a point where America is generally getting older and sicker. The market — if allowed to work — may alleviate some of the problem. But in the short-term, dumping millions more people into the system at once — likely resulting in longer wait times and restrictions on new enrollments with doctors — may not prove to be the political plus Democrats think.

The battle over employer mandates still ahead: Indeed. The problems being discussed above in the context of the individual market (high premiums, deductibles and co-pays, possibly losing your doctor or hospital) may ultimately affect as many as 93 million Americans — including the employer-based market — starting perhaps weeks before the midterm elections. If the reality of Obamacare in the past six weeks has politically damaged the Democrats, one can only imagine what the damage will be when the affected population potentially reaches nearly one out of three Americans.

Unsurprisingly, the presenters this seminar for training journalists appear to be generally in favor of Obamacare. However, this only makes the storylines for 2014 listed above more notable. There will almost certainly be a few good stories for Obamacare in 2014, not least because journalists will be seeking them out. Yet one lesson of the past six weeks is that even the progressive establishment media is unable to spin away ugly truths. When looking at what even supporters think the major stories of 2014 will be, Obamacare looks to be bad news for everyone, including its supporters.


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Clusterfcuk…

OmahaConservative on November 18, 2013 at 8:05 AM

from the so-called navigators for Obamacare.

…call them what they are…old ACORN members!

KOOLAID2 on November 18, 2013 at 8:06 AM

Can we still blame this on Republicans?

BigWyo on November 18, 2013 at 8:07 AM

“The Allahpundit?” Is that like “The Wolverine?”

Dongemaharu on November 18, 2013 at 8:09 AM

What comes next? Boxcars, camps, depraved Ukrainian guards, attack dogs, selections by a soft-spoken but utterly insane doctor….you know, the usual.

Too hyperbolic? Eh, I’m hedging my bets.

Bishop on November 18, 2013 at 8:10 AM

Will the Young Invincibles sign up?

God. You just can’t GIVE latex condoms away. Tell ‘em they’re party balloons!

WryTrvllr on November 18, 2013 at 8:11 AM

Predicted eleventy.
All that will happen is Republicans & Tea Party people will be blamed.
The unwashed masses will agree & vote for more communists.
Then we will end up with another Social Security system. A National Health System that forcefully taxes everyone.
And then there will be the Drs. They will be forced to do things that will make it even more unattractive as a profession.
Next up Drs will be imported from various countries bcs there are no Americans willing to do the job.
Then the population will be necessarily culled through health care incompetence.
And the rich will survive.
As they always do.
But of course, the only way to become rich anymore is to have a pol in your pocket.
Welcome to the new 5 year plan.

Badger40 on November 18, 2013 at 8:14 AM

Asking young people to spend money on Obamacare will prove more difficult than asking for their vote.

Yep. Sadly most people see voting as a “free” act in that it costs them nothing. No different than a “like” on facebook.

However, as soon as you attach something direct and tangible to it, like if you do not comply with X, we will take Y from you. That gets people paying attention.

Question now for me is how long do they keep focus here before flipping back to the E! network…

Gatsu on November 18, 2013 at 8:16 AM

What comes next? Boxcars, camps, depraved Ukrainian guards, attack dogs, selections by a soft-spoken but utterly insane doctor….you know, the usual.

Too hyperbolic? Eh, I’m hedging my bets.

Bishop on November 18, 2013 at 8:10 AM

FEMA camps, human-alien hybrids, implanted chips, compulsory calisthenics.

Murphy9 on November 18, 2013 at 8:18 AM

Yeah, but besides those things, it’s going well, right?

forest on November 18, 2013 at 8:19 AM

Unsurprisingly, the presenters this seminar for training journalists appear to be generally in favor of Obamacare.

You have a republic sir…If you can keep it – Ben Franklin

workingclass artist on November 18, 2013 at 8:20 AM

What comes next? Boxcars, camps, depraved Ukrainian guards, attack dogs, selections by a soft-spoken but utterly insane doctor….you know, the usual.

Too hyperbolic? Eh, I’m hedging my bets.

Bishop on November 18, 2013 at 8:10 AM

FEMA camps, human-alien hybrids, implanted chips, compulsory calisthenics.

Murphy9 on November 18, 2013 at 8:18 AM

“Soylent Green is people”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IKVj4l5GU4

workingclass artist on November 18, 2013 at 8:23 AM

Murphy9 on November 18, 2013 at 8:18 AM

no salt, no transfat, no ice cream…..no coal…

esr1951 on November 18, 2013 at 8:24 AM

Obamacare navigator interactions.

Murphy9 on November 18, 2013 at 8:28 AM

Obamacare will even reduce choice in the Medicare population.

Gee, but the Dims told the old people that cutting 3/4 of a trillion dollars from Medicare spending to fund Obamacare wasn’t going to affect their Medicare benefits.

You mean that wasn’t true either???

Shocking!

AZCoyote on November 18, 2013 at 8:30 AM

The battle over employer mandates still ahead ….. starting perhaps weeks before the midterm elections.

NOT, NOT, NOT going to happen. Deadlines are deadlines until the deadline date is moved … Again.

On another front, since the PPACA has insured the insurers against heavy losses, the WH will “motivate” the insurers to hide their increased 2015 costs from the public.

The majority of the public will willingly take any handout that keeps their cost low. The Federal Deficit means nothing when compared to one’s personal wallet. Personal subisidies and insurer bailouts matter not for the majority.

Carnac on November 18, 2013 at 8:35 AM

Unsurprisingly, the presenters this seminar for training journalists appear to be generally in favor of Obamacare.

Find anecdotal success stories. Present them repeatedly in “human interest” style extended stories. That’ll be about all they can do. Dismissing the story based upon the discrediting insignificant sources and intentionally confusing the issue generally won’t work very well this time.

forest on November 18, 2013 at 8:37 AM

“The government took over 1/6 of the economy and all I got was this ridiculously overpriced T-shirt.”

NotCoach on November 18, 2013 at 8:40 AM

Will the Young Invincibles sign up?

Ask the old indictables.

onomo on November 18, 2013 at 8:41 AM

Unsurprisingly, the presenters this seminar for training journalists appear to be generally in favor of Obamacare.

Heritage Foundation should rent the adjoining room and invite Tea Party members only and have big, ole disruptapalooza event…

hillsoftx on November 18, 2013 at 8:41 AM

What comes next? Boxcars, camps, depraved Ukrainian guards, attack dogs, selections by a soft-spoken but utterly insane doctor….you know, the usual.
Too hyperbolic? Eh, I’m hedging my bets.

Bishop on November 18, 2013 at 8:10 AM

How dare you, sir! Making comparisons between Dear Leader and Der Fuhrer is blasphemy!

There are no similarities, no similarities at all between the ascent of Fascism in Post WWI Germany and the ascent of Progressivism in the United States.

None! Not one!

(Ok, I can think of a couple… Actually more than just a couple… Nevermind)

turfmann on November 18, 2013 at 8:42 AM

Forget obmacare its a smokescreen. This is what is actually coming next:Here’s is a clip from the link below,sorry to put this on an obamcare thread but it is what is really going on while we anxst over obamacare:
It was always Benghazi and much much more:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/3092463/posts?page=1

…………Joan added that she got a document from the Libyan Authority in relation to the involvement of Muslim Brotherhood concerning the assassination of US Ambassador and that document has been read in the US Congress and it is a part of the Congress records in the USA.

Furthermore, Joan confirmed that Former President of Egypt, Mohamed Morsi is the planner and the financier of the whole attack that stormed the US Embassy and assassinated the US Ambassador in Libya.

According to Joan, the attack on the US Embassy was very organized and she told the Voice of Russia Radio Station that the US Ambassador was under a big pressure from the Obama’s administration to get the US Rockets back.

Obama’s administration have put the responsibility of getting back the weapons on Stevens shoulders and he really didn’t have any chance to get back these weapons.

The US Ambassador was actually calling and asking these terrorists Groups to deliver these weapons. Joan was questioning why the US Administration did not send any backup or additional support to protect the US Ambassador, knowing that he was surrounding by dangers!

Joan also mentioned that Obama deals with Muslim Brotherhood and he supports them. When you have eyewitnesses on Crimes committed by the Muslim Brotherhood, it makes things easier for you to make these eyewitnesses vanish, because then it will be very hard and difficult to prove anything that took place earlier.

The Voice of Russia Radio Station asked Joan whether it is possible or not that Obama’s administration gave a direct order to get rid of Stevens because he knew a lot of details in relation to US suspicious dealings?

Joan’s answer was Yes it is possible because she and James were eyewitnesses and observers in Libya since the Nato’s invasion. She confirmed that There were many Illegal activities which took place in the Nato’s invasion and war against Libya. Once you are an eyewitness on their crimes, you become a danger and a threat. No one interfered or did anything to protect the US Ambassador.

rodguy911 on November 18, 2013 at 8:46 AM

What should come next is REPEAL. This clusterfark should be thrown out on its ear, and Americans should be allowed to go back to the system that WAS working. Then there should be things like tort reform and allowing us to buy insurance across state lines to replace it.

But the Republicans seem determined to seal their fate with it by just trying to tinker around the edges, but leaving it still intact. Makes no sense to me as to why, unless somehow they profit by it being law–i.e., there’s some sort of cronyism involved that keeps them from actively working towards repeal. That, and the lamestream media’s constant whispers of “racists!!” every time they look like they’re even frowning in the direction of Dear Leader.

theotherone on November 18, 2013 at 8:47 AM

FEMA camps, human-alien hybrids, implanted chips, compulsory calisthenics. Murphy9 on November 18, 2013 at 8:18 AM

You believe in aliens? Or do you just mean Mexicans?

Akzed on November 18, 2013 at 8:53 AM

What should come next is REPEAL.

That is the vote that should have been taken last week. Let the Dem’s stew and simmer instead of giving them 2014 cover with their Upton bill vote.

Republicans are either stupid or complicit.

Carnac on November 18, 2013 at 8:56 AM

You believe in aliens? Or do you just mean Mexicans?

Akzed on November 18, 2013 at 8:53 AM

I don’t believe in Mexicans.

onomo on November 18, 2013 at 9:05 AM

Asking young people to spend money on Obamacare will prove more difficult than asking for their vote.

Dude… Six hundred bucks a month for ObamaCare? Do you know how much weed that will buy, bro?

PointnClick on November 18, 2013 at 9:05 AM

These can all be hidden away and said it just effects a “small percent”.

albill on November 18, 2013 at 9:06 AM

I wish I could remember which reporter found that surfer dude buying lobsters with his food stamps. He’s never had a job.

I want him to do an update on how we now have the fine privilege of paying for that dude’s Obamacare!

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There is also a major “shoe” missing from the above list. Wait til the exchanges start having to communicate with insurers, doctors, hospitals….all while keeping track of a massive bifurcated billing system (Treasury pays subsidies to insurer while policy holder pays the rest).

jeanneb on November 18, 2013 at 9:07 AM

You believe in aliens? Or do you just mean Mexicans?

Akzed on November 18, 2013 at 8:53 A

I’ve been watching too much X-files. Started with S1.E1. a week or so ago, and I’m nearly done with S3.

Murphy9 on November 18, 2013 at 9:16 AM

There will almost certainly be a few good stories for Obamacare in 2014, not least because journalists will be seeking them out.

Remember Chad Henderson? The twenty-something guy in North Georgia who was treated like a hero for signing up for Obamacare early. It was as if he had won the lottery. Why not go back to him and see how that Obamacare plan is working for him?

Happy Nomad on November 18, 2013 at 9:27 AM

There is also a major “shoe” missing from the above list. Wait til the exchanges start having to communicate with insurers, doctors, hospitals….all while keeping track of a massive bifurcated billing system (Treasury pays subsidies to insurer while policy holder pays the rest).

jeanneb on November 18, 2013 at 9:07 AM

Not to mention to process that will be imposed for billing dispute resolutions. Healthcare run by the DMV or, worse, like the V.A.

Happy Nomad on November 18, 2013 at 9:29 AM

Welcome to the new 5 year plan.

Badger40 on November 18, 2013 at 8:14 AM

Yep

GWB on November 18, 2013 at 9:44 AM

Let’s examine them in roughly chronological order:

Great layout Karl!! Easy to follow all of the major concerns (pitfalls)

bluefox on November 18, 2013 at 9:54 AM

Rodguy911…chilling (only because i believe it all)

Whiterock on November 18, 2013 at 10:00 AM

rodguy911 on November 18, 2013 at 8:46 AM

WOW! Just finished reading that article. I would say that with all of those details, it is most likely true.

O/T Nice comment you had on PJMedia article: Obama vs. Galileo

Interesting article too.

bluefox on November 18, 2013 at 10:07 AM

The websites fraudulently imitating government exchanges are a problem, but I doubt that the Obama administration will be blamed for them. The government didn’t authorize anybody to do that. The Justice Department might even prosecute the website operators if they can find them.

But the so-called navigators for Obamacare? That is a problem for Obama. “Hi, I’m an officially certified Affordable Care Act navigator, authorized by your local community organizers’ organization! Please tell me your name, address, Social Security number, and annual income.” If a navigator engages in identity theft and fraud, how likely is it that the Obama administration will prosecute them? Most of the navigators are going to have left-wing connections, and they wouldn’t have been in a place to steal the information if the administration hadn’t designated them as navigators.

J.S.K. on November 18, 2013 at 10:07 AM

You believe in aliens? Or do you just mean Mexicans?

Akzed on November 18, 2013 at 8:53 AM

Most likely the same aliens that the pyramids were designed to shoot down.

HiJack on November 18, 2013 at 11:20 AM

Do these “young invincibles” know or appreciate that all they are is fresh meat?

kurtzz3 on November 18, 2013 at 11:31 AM

“Government Healthcare” has been the left’s holy grail forever. Now that they have it, it materializes as an unmitigated disaster rife with lies, corruption, malfunctions and skyrocketing costs; and that’s before it’s fully ‘implemented’. I can’t wait for the next round of soon-to-be-revealed unintended consequences. Surprise… not. Heckuva job from the most enlightened and caring among us. And a special thank you to the idiots who enabled this.

ghostwalker1 on November 18, 2013 at 11:47 AM

Aren’t the narrowing of provider networks and the crunch of the doctors’ shortage mutually enforcing problems. The plans are requiring more patients to go to a smaller selection of MD’s. How is that actually going to happen?

HakerA on November 18, 2013 at 12:27 PM

What should come next is REPEAL.

That is the vote that should have been taken last week. Let the Dem’s stew and simmer instead of giving them 2014 cover with their Upton bill vote.

Republicans are either stupid or complicit.

Carnac on November 18, 2013 at 8:56 AM

Exactly.

Midas on November 18, 2013 at 12:30 PM

What should come next is REPEAL…

theotherone on November 18, 2013 at 8:47 AM

That is the vote that should have been taken last week. Let the Dem’s stew and simmer instead of giving them 2014 cover with their Upton bill vote.

Republicans are either stupid or complicit.

Carnac on November 18, 2013 at 8:56 AM

Repeal is looking more and more like the simplest way out of the manure pile that is Obamacare, rather than the contorted and illegal shenanigans that the REB spews any time his polls dip.

slickwillie2001 on November 18, 2013 at 12:52 PM

Socialism is rape. They expect the US populace to do what the Indian cops tell about the raped women “lay back and enjoy it”.

Go to Hades all at the NYT and all who’re for socialism, from all sides.

Schadenfreude on November 18, 2013 at 1:42 PM

I’ve studied these issues very carefully and have come to the conclusion that it’s all George W. Bush’s fault.

evergreen on November 18, 2013 at 1:52 PM

Blame all of this on Abe Lincoln.

tmgrant on November 18, 2013 at 3:19 PM