Incoherence: Democrats offer contradictory excuses over ‘keep your plan’ lie

posted at 6:11 pm on November 18, 2013 by Guy Benson

Reading Erika’s post this morning got me thinking.  Democrats still haven’t gotten their story straight about the untimely demise of “if you like your plan, you can keep it” — President Obama’s most memorable presidential promise.  For his part, Obama delivered the pledge ad nauseam for years, before misleadingly minimizing the scope of its victims as it unraveled.  Then, after a feeble shot at revisionism cratered, he was forced to muster a half-assed apology.  When that didn’t staunch the bleeding either, he rolled out a desperation “fix” that hits a rare trifecta: It is logistically infeasible — and quite possibly illegal — according to various experts, it has been roundly criticized by lefty wonks who see it as a counter-productive affront to the viability of the law, and it has been dismissed by elected Democrats as insufficient weak sauce.  No one’s happy.  Quite a feat.  As the White House flails and fumbles, Congressional Democrats have been left to their own devices to engage in freelance damage control. The yarn they’re spinning is a tangled web, indeed.  To hear people like House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer and New York Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand tell it, of course they knew that ‘keep your plan’ wasn’t exactly accurate.  The president employed “imprecise” language, Hoyer allowed last month.  Hey, “we all knew” Obama’s categorical pledge wasn’t quite right, Gillibrand added over the weekend, lamenting that Democrats hadn’t adequately explained all the details:

Two quick points: (1) A fuller explanation would have rendered Obama’s vow inoperative, and likely would have sunk the bill.  That’s the whole reason they lied in the first place.  (2) Gillibrand needs to have a chat with Kirsten Powers, the Hammacks, Edie Sundby, Bob Laszewski, David Frum, Matthew Fleischer, and countless others who’ve been dumped from their decidedly non “terrible” plans into inferior and/or more expensive coverage.  The Left’s persistent “junk coverage” talking point is garbage, and is especially rich coming from folks who believe with religious fervor that Obamacare’s Medicaid expansion is the height of human compassion.  (Also, has she heard about Obamacare’s effects on deductibles?) In any case, a number of Democrats want Americans to know that yes, they did know ‘keep your plan’ was inaccurate — and therefore their primary shortcoming was fouling up the expectations management game.  Which brings us to a separate class of Democrats, to whom we’ll refer as the “we had no idea!” crowd.  This nervous bunch is hoping to persuade voters that they were bamboozled by Obama’s promise just like everyone else, and that they’re working tirelessly to rectify the unforeseen breach of trust.  This group is led by vulnerable Senator Jeff Merkley of Oregon:

“It was a significant failure to understand that the grandfathering had this flaw in it,” said Merkley, “and now that it’s recognized, we’ve got to fix it.” The senator added that “we just didn’t fully understand” that during the three years before the new law went completely into effect, many people would migrate to other coverage or be forced off these grandfathered plans.

And Mary “100 percent” Landrieu of Louisiana:

It was our understanding when we voted for that bill that people when they have insurance could keep with what they had. So I’m going to be working on that fix.”

Which is it, Democrats?  Did everyone know ‘keep your plan’ wouldn’t pan out for millions of Americans, or were members left in the dark by a conniving administration? Team Gillibrand has decided that the best course of action is to try to spin their lie into a mere miscommunication — which, ironically enough, is yet another lie.  Team Landrieu, by contrast, has concluded that posing as derelict ignoramuses is preferable to looking like shameless liars.  The trouble for the former group is that their new “truth” is painfully incompatible with their previous assertions, and people aren’t that stupid.  The problem for the latter cohort is that by pretending to be surprised by the inevitable consequences of a law they supported, they are only compounding their previous lie.  How can we be so sure that at least Senate Democrats knew better?  Because they were explicitly warned by their colleagues about this issue in 2010, then voted en masse to defeat a GOP proposal that would have mitigated the problem:

Fortunately, Republicans have a turn-key riposte to either cynical Democratic posture: Obamacare supporting liars and morons deserve to be replaced by voters.


UPDATE
– It looks like Landrieu and Gillibrand are gal-pal sister Senators.  Why didn’t Gillibrand have the decency to warn her red state friend about the faultiness of Obama’s pledge before it was too late?  Why??


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Some of them lied because they’re dishonest. Some of them lied because they’re stupid. But most of them lied because they’re both dishonest and stupid.

Flange on November 18, 2013 at 6:16 PM

Liars all.

KCB on November 18, 2013 at 6:17 PM

Collective Suicide.

Del Dolemonte on November 18, 2013 at 6:18 PM

Here’s further confirmation that… the Democrats are sinking.

Today’s Rasmussen’s Generic Congressional Ballot shows the Dems losing three more points. It’s now Republicans leading +1: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/top_stories/generic_congressional_ballot

Just two weeks ago it was the Democrats leading by 6.

Also, the Fox Generic Congressional Ballot poll from a few days ago shows an 11 point Democratic drop.

The thing is that there a natural bias in these polls towards the Dems. People tend to not like the “Generic Republican” for some reason. So if the Republicans have any type of lead it portends horrible things for the Dems. And now expect that +1 Republican lead (Fox = +3) to further expand in the coming weeks and months. Translation: Doom for the Dems.

anotherJoe on November 18, 2013 at 6:19 PM

Two quick points: (1) A fuller explanation would have rendered Obama’s vow inoperative, and likely would have sunk the bill. That’s the whole reason they lied in the first place.

And would have sunk the Dear Liar’s chances of re-selection last year, even without his use of the IRS for Voter oppression.

Galt2009 on November 18, 2013 at 6:20 PM

Landrieu should really cut her loses and resign now.

Pork-Chop on November 18, 2013 at 6:21 PM

“Please keep re-electing us! Because we didn’t know what we voted for, we’re obviously incompetent at delivering BIG Solutions to big problems, and when we TRY to do so, we usually lie. Sometimes a lot.”

Remind me to give the “I’m incompetent, and yes I knew I was lying, so chill” approach a try with the IRS, sometime.
Should work as well as it did for Hoyer, Pelosi and Dear Leader, amirite?

orangemtl on November 18, 2013 at 6:21 PM

Can you imagine how hard the State Run Media would have come down on any of the Progs if they had told the truth before Dear Leader’s second coronation..?

d1carter on November 18, 2013 at 6:24 PM

ObamaCare: It started with A LIE, and the Democrats are going to continue to defend it with A LIE.

GarandFan on November 18, 2013 at 6:25 PM

Nanzi likes the grape Koolaid….

d1carter on November 18, 2013 at 6:26 PM

When they campaign for re-election, voters should promise them, “If you like your seat in Congress, you can keep it, period.”

Christien on November 18, 2013 at 6:26 PM

Paging Madame DeFarge …

Joe Mama on November 18, 2013 at 6:29 PM

Screw them.

They need to pay for their deceit,lies and treachery.
They most deliberately and with gleeful malice shoved this up our backside like it was a dry pine cone and laughed in our faces about it.
All last year they ran on the Obamacare train to electoral victory.
They own every page, letter, statute, regulation and bold faced lie.

Let them choke on it.
I say there should be no GOP involvement in any fix until august of next year.
Let’s give the 51% what they voted for and make sure they know who gave it to them.

NeoKong on November 18, 2013 at 6:30 PM

I understand that the GOP has purchased every available shovel and have gifted it to the Democrats. I guess they just want them to have every advantage when it comes to hole digging.

evilned on November 18, 2013 at 6:30 PM

Democrats still haven’t gotten their story straight about the untimely demise of “if you like your plan, you can keep it”

Come out trolls , we’re waaaaaiiiiiting for yoooooooooo :O

burrata on November 18, 2013 at 6:30 PM

Landrieu knew. Unlike Gilibrand, she can’t tell the truth because she comes from a Red State. Admitting that she personally misled her constituents is suicide. All she can do is feign surprise and claim that she didn’t know what she was voting for when she helped pass Obamacare and then voted not to allow people to get their policies later that year.

Resist We Much on November 18, 2013 at 6:31 PM

Gallup: Number of Americans Who Say It’s The Government’s Job To Ensure Healthcare Coverage Falls To 42%, Down 27 Points Since 2006…

That goes on top of:

1) 58% of Americans want Obamacare repealed.

2) 47% of Americans 35 and under want Obamacare repealed.

3) Only 36% of young voters now approve of President Obama.

4) Republicans went from -8 points in the Congressional generic ballot one month ago to +3 now.

Resist We Much on November 18, 2013 at 6:35 PM

What we are witnessing is the by-product of a massive bill, not read by anyone, lying about its provisions, strong-arming for votes, ramming it through Congress, voted in strictly by one party and granting waivers to buy votes. Also, how do you think that idiot Stupak feels now.

rjoco1 on November 18, 2013 at 6:38 PM

Only the outer gate at Auschwitz said “Arbeit Macht Frei”, the inner gate said “By free we mean youre going to die”.

Bishop on November 18, 2013 at 6:38 PM

And Mary “100 percent” Landrieu of Louisiana:

“It was our understanding when we voted for that bill that people when they have insurance could keep with what they had. So I’m going to be working on that fix.”

FryBread face is just haggling over her price , again ;-)

burrata on November 18, 2013 at 6:38 PM

Cycle-sister Senators?

JoeinTX on November 18, 2013 at 6:40 PM

Don’t screw this up GOP

gophergirl on November 18, 2013 at 6:40 PM

these democRATS are either Liars or Idiots, probably a combination of both

burserker on November 18, 2013 at 6:41 PM

Hey, “we all knew” Obama’s categorical pledge wasn’t quite right, Gillibrand added over the weekend, lamenting that Democrats hadn’t adequately explained all the details:

Not that a WHOLE BUNCH of people have been screaming out the details for 3 years now makes much difference….

BigWyo on November 18, 2013 at 6:42 PM

“idiot Stupak..”

Anybody find it mildly amusing that the anagram of that is “kaputs”….?

JoeinTX on November 18, 2013 at 6:42 PM

gophergirl on November 18, 2013 at 6:40 PM

Ha! Bad position to be in. If they just do little to nothing they still stand a huge chance of screwing up. Sad commentary indeed.

Bmore on November 18, 2013 at 6:45 PM

Only the outer gate at Auschwitz said “Arbeit Macht Frei”, the inner gate said “By free we mean youre going to die”.

Bishop on November 18, 2013 at 6:38 PM

What a day to bring it up :O
Today is the anniversary of the biggessssst left wing achievement in recent history, the grand finale of Jonestown Koolaid Health Plan !!!

burrata on November 18, 2013 at 6:47 PM

The senator added that “we just didn’t fully understand” that during the three years before the new law went completely into effect, many people would migrate to other coverage or be forced off these grandfathered plans.

“It was our understanding when we voted for that bill that people when they have insurance could keep with what they had. So I’m going to be working on that fix.”

Let’s assume that you’re both not lying(which your ARE)…neither of you understood the goddamned thing but I bet you both just about busted your finger hammering on the ‘Yea’ button.

So, yer both a couple of lying, incompetent hacks that have no business being in the Federal Government.

Resign.

BigWyo on November 18, 2013 at 6:48 PM

Ha! Bad position to be in. If they just do little to nothing they still stand a huge chance of screwing up. Sad commentary indeed.

Bmore on November 18, 2013 at 6:45 PM

It scares me – they have a whole year to mess this up.

This is the biggest gift they have been given in a long time – for goodness sakes don’t get cocky and push amnesty now.

gophergirl on November 18, 2013 at 6:48 PM

Flange nails it again.

DanMan on November 18, 2013 at 6:52 PM

Don’t screw this up GOP

Oh, there is no doubt in my mind they will screw this up. Like Homer Simpson they are.

Mr. Arrogant on November 18, 2013 at 6:53 PM

Hey! Landrieu thought it would stop South Dakotans from crossing the border nextdoor into Canada for prescription meds.

Christien on November 18, 2013 at 6:57 PM

Democrats still haven’t gotten their story straight about the untimely demise of “if you like your plan, you can keep it”

Come out trolls , we’re waaaaaiiiiiting for yoooooooooo :O

burrata on November 18, 2013 at 6:30 PM

One of them dropped this turn a half an hour ago on one of the other threads:

Is the Obama presidency failing?

No.

Took out Osama Bin Laden.

Got us out of the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression.

Saved US auto manufacturing.

Provided inspiration to millions if not billions around the world with galvanizing speeches.

etc

nonpartisan on November 18, 2013 at 6:30 PM

Del Dolemonte on November 18, 2013 at 6:59 PM

FIFM

Del Dolemonte on November 18, 2013 at 6:59 PM

“turn” = turd

Del Dolemonte on November 18, 2013 at 7:01 PM

Berwick just had an editorial in JAMA (Journal of the American Medical Association) stating all physicians should support the ACA as a duty to their patients. I wrote a letter in response saying I didn’t think raising premiums an average of 41% and forcing 50,000,000 patients off their current insurance was in their best interest. I’m sure JAMA won’t print it, but I sent it to his email too.

I can’t tell if he didn’t read the bill, doesn’t understand how health insurance markets work and premiums are set, is dumb, or just so partisan he can’t see reality. If he supports single payer, he should say so, and not pretend that the ACA does anything positive-it doesn’t.

talkingpoints on November 18, 2013 at 7:04 PM

If every read cent of every legislator and the bureaucrats who helped “implement” (hello kathleen & co) that voted for this is confiscated and put against the amount of money this train wreck has cost the American tax payer how much money do you think we can claw back….

Tilly on November 18, 2013 at 7:07 PM

Berwick just had an editorial in JAMA (Journal of the American Medical Association) stating all physicians should support the ACA as a duty to their patients. I wrote a letter in response saying I didn’t think raising premiums an average of 41% and forcing 50,000,000 patients off their current insurance was in their best interest. I’m sure JAMA won’t print it, but I sent it to his email too.

I can’t tell if he didn’t read the bill, doesn’t understand how health insurance markets work and premiums are set, is dumb, or just so partisan he can’t see reality. If he supports single payer, he should say so, and not pretend that the ACA does anything positive-it doesn’t.

talkingpoints on November 18, 2013 at 7:04 PM

AMA = Major Democrat Party donors

Del Dolemonte on November 18, 2013 at 7:09 PM

You know what bugs me the most ?
There must be millions of soundbites + videos of these marxists lying their behinds off, about the true meaning of ObamaCAIR and how anyone and everyone who even thinks about doubting the magnificence of the mutt-muncher is a racist.
Why is no one playing them over and over and over again ?
I know Bozell’s people must have a treasure , dating back to 2007 atleast,
so why are the current soundbites of these aholes not being played sandwiched with their own lies of the past few years ? These people used to go on radio, TV, newspapers, townhalls, campaigns , everywhere , and proudly lie about this tyrant and his malice.
More and more people need to see these 2 faced greedy ingrates who have suddenly discovered the second side of their mouths,
now that their lavish lifestyle seems to be slipping away .

burrata on November 18, 2013 at 7:10 PM

Believe it or not, there was a time when Mary Landrieu was reasonably attractive (about 30 years and 30,000 Big Macs ago).

bw222 on November 18, 2013 at 7:11 PM

The government had to cancel existing plans because they did not cover preexisting conditions… which really was not a concern to those who had existing ( now cancelled ) policies

Laurence on November 18, 2013 at 7:11 PM

AMA = Major Democrat Party donors

Del Dolemonte on November 18, 2013 at 7:09 PM

Only about 16% of the nation’s doctors are members of the AMA.

bw222 on November 18, 2013 at 7:13 PM

vulnerable Senator Jeff Merkley of Oregon

I would really like for that to be true, but I doubt it is. You have no idea how much Kool-Aid is consumed out here.

Sockpuppet Politic on November 18, 2013 at 7:14 PM

It’s A Wonderful Lie: The Rest Of The Story

Christien on November 18, 2013 at 7:22 PM

You mudbug hunters better kick fat cheeks out.

wolly4321 on November 18, 2013 at 7:23 PM

Our previous policies were supposedly “substandard”– they need to be changed to be comprehensive. Unless they were benefit-rich. Then they are bad and have to be taxed as “Cadillac” plans. You know, the stuff we used to call a “good” plan or “good corporate responsibility”. So we have to dispose of everyone’s coverage because all of it is bad, regardless of coverage level. We have to have cookie-cutter government plans; the benefits have to be comprehensive, but employers aren’t allowed to be generous with their employees’ plans. Otherwise they have tax penalties.

Go figure.

obladioblada on November 18, 2013 at 7:27 PM

Sugar queen.

I’m still not that hip to GB. He looks like a high school kid.

Writes like one, too.

wolly4321 on November 18, 2013 at 7:33 PM

Well, whadya know. Popcorn sales just tripled.

Kokonut on November 18, 2013 at 7:33 PM

Play this, until the scumhag is retired.

Schadenfreude on November 18, 2013 at 7:34 PM

Landfill is toast, and she knows it. She put stink on the state with the Louisiana Purchase, intentionally dodged unhappy constituents before the vote, and lied her ass off afterward. Obamacare hangs around her neck like a dead skunk, and the nearly 100,000 Louisianans whose insurance got shanked by this cow will see to it that she’s fired. Daddy’s name can’t save her this time.

CantCureStupid on November 18, 2013 at 7:35 PM

ll, whadya know. Popcorn sales just tripled. Kokonut on November 18, 2013

No,, sugar subsidies did.

Ericka will post on it soon.

Watch.

wolly4321 on November 18, 2013 at 7:36 PM

Come out trolls , we’re waaaaaiiiiiting for yoooooooooo :O

burrata on November 18, 2013 at 6:30 PM

They’re tired after spending all day on the Cheney vs Cheney thread.

RickB on November 18, 2013 at 7:36 PM

Peel the pretty face off of Gillibrand, and you’re left with the hideous soul-deep ugliness of Chuck Schumer. Scary, really.

bofh on November 18, 2013 at 7:39 PM

Reading Erika’s post this morning got me thinking. Democrats still haven’t gotten their story straight about the untimely demise of “if you like your plan, you can keep it” — President Obama’s most memorable presidential promise. For his part, Obama delivered the pledge ad nauseam for years, before misleadingly minimizing the scope of its victims as it unraveled.

Well, you know, truth is just the majority opinion of the people in power.

And Obama is in power.

Therefore, Obama cannot tell a lie.

Though it is astonishing how often the real world fails to live up to Obama’s pronouncements….

There Goes the Neighborhood on November 18, 2013 at 7:44 PM

The date this speech occurred needs to be made prominent to show up the Leftist Liars:

Uploaded on 29 Sep 2010

U.S. Senator Mike Enzi, R-Wyo., Ranking Member of the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee (HELP Committee) today urged the Senate to move forward on the consideration of a Resolution of Disapproval that would overturn a new health care regulation that breaks the President’s promise “If you like what you have you can keep it.”

Ogabe on November 18, 2013 at 7:50 PM

Dana Perino” Gillibrand is a breath of fresh air” WTF

rik on November 18, 2013 at 8:09 PM

I know that the RINOs will come out to call names, but there’s one person in the public spotlight who has been pitch-perfect on this business from day one, has been hammering the right talking points, and needs to get much more attention.

You all know who I mean, and it isn’t a sitting member of the House or Senate.

Freelancer on November 18, 2013 at 8:11 PM

Basically they all lied so that the ACA would be voted in. This is no different than lying about anything that you really really want. You lie to the person or persons that have control over the thing that you desire. Why else would anyone lie? This is the opposite of the entire political system that was envisioned by the founding fathers. All pols lie but not all pols lie all the time unless you are a Demorat. This is a stark reminder that when the chips are down you cannot believe your Demorat Senator or Representative on ANYTHING!

inspectorudy on November 18, 2013 at 8:15 PM

Don’t worry, and mark it well – the GOP will figure out a way to f*ck this up and lose in 2014 anyway.

Between overtly helping the Dems weather the storm by voting on more ‘fixes’ to relieve the pressure on Dems, or by doing crap to piss of the GOP base, or both – they most assuredly will f*ck it up.

Midas on November 18, 2013 at 8:27 PM

Mary “100 percent” Landrieu

Heh.

thirtyandseven on November 18, 2013 at 8:34 PM

Landrieu is a corrupt, lying whore.

This is nothing new, but it is becoming harder for even her supporters to deny now.

Adjoran on November 18, 2013 at 8:55 PM

at least one member of congress had some balls

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgce06Yw2ro

roflmmfao

donabernathy on November 18, 2013 at 9:52 PM

Dana Perino” Gillibrand is a breath of fresh air” WTF

rik on November 18, 2013 at 8:09 PM

Cute and perky, not that bright.

slickwillie2001 on November 18, 2013 at 11:00 PM

Or:

Just because the majority of the American people were stupid enough to believe my preposterous lies doesn’t mean I should be held accountable for them! I was telling a ‘story’. Stories sometimes change facts to make them more appealing and dramatic. I’m a ‘storyteller’ more than an actual president. My lies are for your own good. Anyone but an idiot knew that truth all along. In effect, the American people deceived themselves by believing my obvious falsehoods. Don’t blame me, blame the idiots.

profitsbeard on November 18, 2013 at 11:49 PM

the real issue here is that when you’re cancer treatment or other necessary life saving procedure is refused, you will spin you wheels dealing with politicians contradicting each other, passing the buck, ignoring you and otherwise allowing you to spend your last days on earth dealing helplessly with bureaucracy.

Just like we see here with them spending $600 MILLION just to set up the website.

KMC1 on November 19, 2013 at 1:10 AM

“we just didn’t fully understand”

“It was our understanding when we voted for that bill that people when they have insurance could keep with what they had. So I’m going to be working on that fix.”

Sooooo… you didn’t understand the bill you voted for and passed (down our throats). Well that certainly goes a long way in convincing us to let you run our healthcare system. I mean, what’s a little ‘oopsie!’ amongst participants in a medical procedure.

ghostwalker1 on November 19, 2013 at 1:23 AM

Here’s a novel idea: Find out what’s in a bill BEFORE passing it!

Dexter_Alarius on November 19, 2013 at 9:59 AM

and people aren’t that stupid.

Oh, on that, I beg to disagree. For proof I give you Presidential Election 2008 and 2012.

GWB on November 19, 2013 at 10:05 AM

This summer will be the summer of the TEA PARTY
we warned america
we were attacked by dems,
we were attacked by liberal media
we had our constitutional rights violated by the IRS under obama orders

you bet this will be the summer of VERY ENTHUSIASTIC ANTI DEMOCRAT RALLYS

and in NOV 2013 it will be voter pay back time.

sniffles1999 on November 19, 2013 at 3:14 PM