Open thread: Sunday morning talking heads

posted at 8:01 am on November 17, 2013 by Allahpundit

The end of a disastrous week for ObamaCare means a Sunday morning spent sifting through the wreckage of the program’s rollout. Who better to headline it than Nancy Pelosi? She’ll be on “Meet the Press” to reiterate that no matter what those people in the newspapers and on TV and on the Internet who are clamoring to have their old plans back might say, she, personally, has never met someone who liked their insurance plan. Maybe she’ll even drop the phony bewilderment act that congressional Democrats have been pushing the past few weeks and own up to the fact that mass cancellations were part of the plan from the start. If there’s anyone in the party who might have the nerve to do that, it’s Nancy. You’re damned right she ordered the code red on affordable coverage, David Gregory.

If Sunday brunch with Pelosi isn’t your cup of tea, try Scott Walker on “This Week.” He’ll be on to discuss how the rollout trainwreck has thrown a wrench into his plan to move lower-income people onto the ObamaCare exchanges in lieu of expanding Medicaid in Wisconsin. I saw somewhere on Twitter on Friday too that he warned national Republicans not to be too giddy about the program’s implosion, as it’s middle-class people who are bearing the brunt of the chaos. Good advice. Probably won’t be heeded. The full line-up is at Politico.


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******Interview with Mike Kreidler, the first insurance regulator********

Sarah Kliff ‏@sarahkliff 16h
My interview with Mike Kreidler, the first insurance regulator to reject Obama’s cancellation fix. http://wapo.st/1bOunhh
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Wash. insurance regulator supports Obamacare — and rejected Obama’s ‘fix.’ Here’s why.

By Sarah Kliff, Published: November 16 at 11:00 am
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Mike Kreidler has served as insurance commissioner in Washington state since 2000. Kreidler, an optometrist by training, also served one term in the House of Representatives and 16 years in the state legislature.

On Thursday, Kreidler was the first insurance commissioner to reject President Obama’s proposal that would give insurers and extra year to sell plans that do not comply with the Affordable Care Act. He said, in a statement, that he was acting “in the interest of keeping the consumer protections we have enacted and ensuring that we keep health insurance costs down for all consumers.”

Kreidler and I spoke Friday morning about his decision, why he thinks it will be difficult for any state to move forward on the Obama proposal and how he learned of the president’s plans. What follows is a transcript of our discussion, lightly edited for clarity and length.

Sarah Kliff: So it sounds like you’ve had a very busy two days now. When did you learn of the president’s proposal?

Mike Kreidler: I went to the gym early, and came back out of the gym when I learned that the president was getting ready to allow individuals to keep their plans in the individual market if they want to. Then I thought I’d better get to the office.

SK: Did you get any warning about the announcement?

MK: The only sense I had, to be honest, was because of the bills that were before Congress. We’d done some discussion about those bills the day before. What I didn’t expect or anticipate was the fact the president would make this announcement.

I knew it was serious, with all the talk in Congress, but I was also probably in denial saying its not going to happen. The reason I was in denial is I’d looked at it practically as an insurance commissioner. How do you implement something after this is already afoot and insurers made all the changes. We’ve been doing everything in our power, working extra hour and burning the midnight oil to get everything set up to implement the ACA here in the state of Washington. We’re getting people signed up and the Web site is working.

SK: Putting aside policy concerns for a moment, did you think it would be logistically possible to allow these plans that were initially barred from the market back in?

MK: If that did happen, they’d have a key interest in wanting to re-rate their products. They’d be trying to do that when people were already signing up. That’s true for any state, red or blue, they’re going to be challenged to implement this without having a significant impact.

It’s too late in the game, certainly for the state of Washington. The health plans themselves have said that, as you’ve heard from AHIP How do you have one set of rules for some plans and another for others? It would have been very challenging.

Health carriers in our state were not excited about prospects of this. And the last thing I wanted to see was the market destabilizing or seeing significant rate increases impacting the number of people signing up for health insurance. All of those things were going to be compromised. It’s brought about a lot of consternation.

I strongly support the Affordable Care Act. I know the president wants it to succeed. And I’m supporting the president by making the Affordable Care Act work in the state of Washington.

SK: How many cancellation notices have Washingtonians received?

MK: There are about 290,000 people in the individual market, and all of them were sent out discontinuation and replacement notices. Those notices we don’t have authority to regulate, but we did ask the carriers if we could see them and in a number of cases made suggested changes to them as they went.

There are people out there who are not happy with the fact they received those notices. Not infrequently the carrier has identified a replacement for them that costs more. What people don’t realize in many cases, and we’ve worked diligently to fix this, is they need to go look at other plans and what other companies are offering to see if there’s a better fit for them.

SK: It only took you a few hours, after the president’s announcement, to issue a statement saying you would not allow the types of renewals he proposed. How’d you move so quickly?

MK: My fear was, with these continued policies, it could have a significant impact on adverse selection, with the sick people getting into the health-care law and the healthy people staying out.

We had spoken to some of the carriers. I’d also been on a national phone call talking about the federal legislation. Right at the time the president announced this, there was an emergency meeting of insurance commissioners. When they called the first meeting, before the president spoke, I was still trying to get back from the gym, since I’m out on the West Coast. It was one of those emails that had big exclamation points in it.

It became pretty crystal clear this was not going to work for us.

SK: How did that become clear to you? Most states are taking a much longer time to make this decision.

MK: I’ve been bumping around health-care issues for a long time. I was a practicing optometrist, I’ve worked at a large HMO and picked up a masters in public health thinking Nixon would do health reform.

I didn’t look at it like rocket science. I moved pretty quick. Part of that was I wanted to make sure that there wasn’t a lot of uncertainty in the state of Washington over the course we’re going to follow. The longer you went, the more it would be unsettling. For people who are going to sign up for health insurance, we wanted to send a very clear message. The longer I took, the more uncertainty there would be.

SK: Have you gotten any push back from consumers? I’m curious if you’ll have people in Washington wondering why other people get to extend their policies in 2014, but they don’t.

MK:I haven’t really followed what other states are doing. I know there are states who are saying, how can you do that, how can you do make that work? I feel their pain, I’m very empathetic. I wish things were different. But if you want this law to work — and I do — then this is what we have to do.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/11/16/washingtons-insurance-regulator-supports-obamacare-and-rejected-obamas-fix-heres-why/

canopfor on November 17, 2013 at 6:58 AM

canopfor on November 17, 2013 at 8:04 AM

I saw somewhere on Twitter on Friday too that he warned national Republicans not to be too giddy about the program’s implosion, as it’s middle-class people who are bearing the brunt

*facepalm*

renalin on November 17, 2013 at 8:05 AM

FNS and maybe Scott Walker’s interview in TW. Then off to do a chore or two and read a blog that I’m behind on.

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canopfor on November 17, 2013 at 8:09 AM

Allah. Very good QOTD’s ,last couple. Brutal, HT ted c.

Bmore on November 17, 2013 at 8:10 AM

Ins plan Nan from San Fran. Swell.

hillsoftx on November 17, 2013 at 8:12 AM

I expect this is the new meme…

Legalizing illegal immigrants is the solution to Obamacare: Democrat

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/nov/15/legalizing-illegal-immigrants-solution-obamacare-d/

workingclass artist on November 17, 2013 at 8:13 AM

Just seeing her picture made me regurgitate my breakfast.

PatriotPete on November 17, 2013 at 8:13 AM

Who better to headline it than Nancy Pelosi? She’ll be on “Meet the Press” to reiterate that no matter what those people in the newspapers and on TV and on the Internet who are clamoring to have their old plans back might say
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Nancy Pelosi – What she is willing to do to pass Healthcare
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imUyBlc7NHQ

canopfor on November 17, 2013 at 8:23 AM

workingclass artist on November 17, 2013 at 8:13 AM

I’m hoping that the uproar over Obamacare has the side benefit of educating the middle of the country about where the overwhelming number of illegal immigrants will fall in the medical-care spectrum of this country. They won’t be going on some employer’s plan. They’ll go straight to Medicaid or to some form of heavily subsidized coverage in Obama’s exchanges.

Are thinking Americans ready to swallow that expense?

BuckeyeSam on November 17, 2013 at 8:25 AM

canopfor on November 17, 2013 at 8:23 AM

Boehner is no prize, but I need a Dem to tell me how Pelosi doesn’t define stupidity.

BuckeyeSam on November 17, 2013 at 8:26 AM

Shame on Pelosi, she stuck it to the people once, now, if they allow her to do it again, then shame on them. The masochistic nature of the mindless masses defies logic.

rplat on November 17, 2013 at 8:29 AM

“Go back to June 23, 2009. The House Education and Labor Committee, chaired by Democratic Rep. George Miller, held a hearing on a draft of Obamacare. Christina Romer, then chair of the Council of Economic Advisers, testified. Among the Republicans who questioned Romer was Rep. Tom Price, who is also a doctor. Price pressed Romer to cite a basis for the president’s promise, and in the process predicted much of what would happen more than four years later, in late 2013. Obama’s promise fell apart right there in the hearing room. Here is the Price-Romer exchange:

REP. PRICE: You also mentioned, as other folks have, that the president’s goal — and it’s reiterated over and over and over — that if you like your current plan or if you like your current doctor, you can keep them. Do you know where that is in the bill?

MS. ROMER: Absolutely. And things like the employer mandate is part of making sure that large employers that today — the vast majority of them do provide health insurance. One of the things that’s –

REP. PRICE: I’m asking about if an individual likes their current plan and maybe they don’t get it through their employer and maybe in fact their plan doesn’t comply with every parameter of the current draft bill, how are they going to be able to keep that?

MS. ROMER: So the president is fundamentally talking about maintaining what’s good about the system that we have. And –

REP. PRICE: That’s not my question.

MS. ROMER: One of the things that he has been saying is, for example, you may like your plan and one of the things we may do is slow the growth rate of the cost of your plan, right? So that’s something that is not only –

REP. PRICE: The question is whether or not patients are going to be able to keep their plan if they like it. What if, for example, there’s an employer out there — and you’ve said that if the employers that already provide health insurance, health coverage for their employees, that they’ll be just fine, right? What if the policy that those employees and that employer like and provide for their employees doesn’t comply with the specifics of the bill? Will they be able to keep that one?

MS. ROMER: So certainly my understanding — and I won’t pretend to be an expert in the bill — but certainly I think what’s being planned is, for example, for plans in the exchange to have a minimum level of benefits.

REP. PRICE: So if I were to tell you that in the bill it says that if a plan doesn’t comply with the specifics that are outlined in the bill that that employer’s going to have to move to the — to a different plan within five years — would you — would that be unusual, or would that seem outrageous to you?

MS. ROMER: I think the crucial thing is, what kind of changes are we talking about? The president was saying he wanted the American people to know that fundamentally if you like what you have it will still be there.

REP. PRICE: What if you like what you have, Dr. Romer, though, and it doesn’t fit with the definition in the bill? My reading of the bill is that you can’t keep that.

MS. ROMER: I think the crucial thing — the bill is talking about setting a minimum standard of what can count –

REP. PRICE: So it’s possible that you may like what you have, but you may not be able to keep it? Right?

MS. ROMER: We’d have — I’d have to look at the specifics…”

Web URL: http://washingtonexaminer.com/article/2539266

workingclass artist on November 17, 2013 at 8:31 AM

I’m hoping that the uproar over Obamacare has the side benefit of educating the middle of the country about where the overwhelming number of illegal immigrants will fall in the medical-care spectrum of this country. They won’t be going on some employer’s plan. They’ll go straight to Medicaid or to some form of heavily subsidized coverage in Obama’s exchanges.

Are thinking Americans ready to swallow that expense?

BuckeyeSam on November 17, 2013 at 8:25 AM

Yep!

Amnesty is not immigration reform.

workingclass artist on November 17, 2013 at 8:34 AM

canopfor on November 17, 2013 at 8:23 AM

Boehner is no prize, but I need a Dem to tell me how Pelosi doesn’t define stupidity.

BuckeyeSam on November 17, 2013 at 8:26 AM

BuckeyeSam:Lol, tru dats:0

canopfor on November 17, 2013 at 8:34 AM

Maybe we should start the NFL games at 10:00 am Eastern time.

celtic warrior on November 17, 2013 at 8:34 AM

” 27 democratic senators who committed the same fraud as Obama…

SEN. HARRY REID (D-Nev.): “In fact, one of our core principles is that if you like the health care you have, you can keep it.” (Sen. Reid, Congressional Record, S.8642, 8/3/09)

SEN. RICHARD DURBIN: “We believe — and we stand by this — if you like your current health insurance plan, you will be able to keep it, plain and simple, straightforward.” (Sen. Durbin, Congressional Record, S.6401, 6/10/09)

SEN. CHUCK SCHUMER (D-NY): “If you like your insurance, you keep it.” (U.S. Senate, Finance Committee, Bill Mark-Up, 9/29/09)

SEN. PATTY MURRAY (D-Wash.): “Again, if you like what you have, you will be able to keep it. Let me say this again: If you like what you have, when our legislation is passed and signed by the President, you will be able to keep it.” (Sen. Murray, Congressional Record, S.6400, 6/10/09)

SEN. MAX BAUCUS (D-Mont.): “That is why one of the central promises of health care reform has been and is: If you like what you have, you can keep it. That is critically important. If a person has a plan, and he or she likes it, he or she can keep it.” (Sen. Baucus, Congressional Record, S.7676, 9/29/10)

SEN. TOM HARKIN (D-Iowa): “One of the things we put in the health care bill when we designed it was the protection for consumers to keep the plan they have if they like it; thus, the term ‘grandfathered plans.’ If you have a plan you like — existing policies — you can keep them. … we said, if you like a plan, you get to keep it, and you can grandfather it in.” (Sen. Harkin, Congressional Record, S.7675-6, 9/29/10)

THEN-REP. TAMMY BALDWIN (D-Wis.): “Under the bill, if you like the insurance you have now, you may keep it and it will improve.” (Rep. Baldwin, Press Release, 3/18/10)

SEN. MARK BEGICH (D-Alaska): “If you got a doctor now, you got a medical professional you want, you get to keep that. If you have an insurance program or a health care policy you want of ideas, make sure you keep it. That you can keep who you want.” (Sen. Begich, Townhall Event, 7/27/09)

SEN. MICHAEL BENNET (D-Colo.): “We should begin with a basic principle: if you have coverage and you like it, you can keep it. If you have your doctor, and you like him or her, you should be able to keep them as well. We will not take that choice away from you.” (Sen. Bennet, Press Release, 6/11/09)

SEN. BARBARA BOXER (D-Calif.): “So we want people to be able to keep the health care they have. And the answer to that is choice of plans. And in the exchange, we’re going to have lots of different plans, and people will be able to keep the health care coverage they need and they want.” (Sen. Boxer, Press Release, 2/8/11)

SEN. SHERROD BROWN (D-Ohio): “Our bill says if you have health insurance and you like it, you can keep it…”(Sen. Brown, Congressional Record, S.12612, 12/7/09)

SEN. BEN CARDIN (D-Md.): “For the people of Maryland, this bill will provide a rational way in which they can maintain their existing coverage…” (Sen. Cardin, Congressional Record, S.13798, 12/23/09)

SEN. BOB CASEY (D-Pa.): “I also believe this legislation and the bill we are going to send to President Obama this fall will also have secure choices. If you like what you have, you like the plan you have, you can keep it. It is not going to change.” (Sen. Casey, Congressional Record, S.8070, 7/24/09)

SEN. KAY HAGAN (D-N.C.): ‘People who have insurance they’re happy with can keep it’ “We need to support the private insurance industry so that people who have insurance they’re happy with can keep it while also providing a backstop option for people without access to affordable coverage.” (“Republicans Vent As Other Compromise Plans Get Aired,” National Journal’s Congress Daily, 6/18/09)

SEN. MARY LANDRIEU (D-La.): “If you like the insurance that you have, you’ll be able to keep it.” (MSNBC’s Hardball, 12/16/09)

SEN. PAT LEAHY (D-Vt.): “[I]f you like the insurance you now have, keep the insurance you have.” (CNN’s “Newsroom,” 10/22/09)

SEN. BOB MENENDEZ (D-N.J.): “If you like what you have, you get to keep it” “Menendez is a member of the Senate Finance Committee, which is expected to release a bill later this week. He stressed that consumers who are satisfied with their plans won’t have to change. ‘If you like what you have, you get to keep it,’ he said.” (“Health Care Plan Would Help N.J., Menendez Says,” The Record, 6/19/09)

SEN. JEFF MERKLEY (D-Oreg.): “[E]nsuring that those who like their insurance get to keep it” “The HELP Committee bill sets forward a historic plan that will, for the first time in American history, give every American access to affordable health coverage, reduce costs, and increase choice, while ensuring that those who like their insurance get to keep it.” (Sen. Merkley, Press Release, 7/15/09)

SEN. BARBARA MIKULSKI (D-Md.): “It means that if you like the insurance you have now, you can keep it.” (Sen. Mikulski, Press Release, 12/24/09)

SEN. JAY ROCKEFELLER (D-W.Va.): “I want people to know, the President’s promise that if you like the coverage you have today you can keep it is a pledge we intend to keep.” (U.S. Senate, Finance Committee, Hearing, 9/23/09)

SEN. JACK REED (D-R.I.): “If you like the insurance you have, you can choose to keep it.” (Sen. Reed, Town Hall Event, 6/25/09)

SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (I-Vt.): “‘If you have coverage you like, you can keep it,’ says Sen. Sanders.” (“Sick And Wrong,” Rolling Stone, 4/5/10)

SEN. JEANNE SHAHEEN (D-N.H.): ‘if you have health coverage that you like, you get to keep it’ “My understanding … is that … if you have health coverage that you like you can keep it. As I said, you may have missed my remarks at the beginning of the call, but one of the things I that I said as a requirement that I have for supporting a bill is that if you have health coverage that you like you should be able to keep that. …under every scenario that I’ve seen, if you have health coverage that you like, you get to keep it.” (Sen. Shaheen, “Health Care Questions From Across New Hampshire,” Accessed 11/13/13)

SEN. DEBBIE STABENOW (D-Mich.): “As someone who has a large number of large employers in my state, one of the things I appreciate about the chairman’s mark is — is the grandfathering provisions, the fact that the people in my state, 60 percent of whom have insurance, are going to be able to keep it. And Mr. Chairman, I appreciate that. That’s a strong commitment. It’s clear in the bill … I appreciate the strong commitment on your part and the president to make sure that if you have your insurance you can keep it. That’s the bottom line for me.” (U.S. Senate, Finance Committee, Bill Mark-Up, 9/24/09)

SEN. JON TESTER (D-Mont.): “‘If you like your coverage, you’ll be able to keep it,’ Tester said, adding that if Medicare changes, it will only become stronger”. (“Tester In Baker To Discuss Health Care,” The Fallon County Times, 11/20/09)

SEN. TOM UDALL (D-N.Mex.): “Some worried reform would alter their current coverage. It won’t. If you like your current plan, you can keep it.” (“What I Learned: About Health Care Reform This Summer, By Your Lawmakers In Congress,” Albuquerque Journal, 9/8/09)

SEN. SHELDON WHITEHOUSE (D-R.I.): “…it honors President Obama’s programs and the promise of all of the Presidential candidates that if you like the plan you have, you get to keep it. You are not forced out of anything.”(Sen. Whitehouse, Congressional Record, S.8668, 8/3/09)”

http://washingtonexaminer.com/27-democratic-senators-who-promised-you-could-keep-your-health-coverage/article/2539245

workingclass artist on November 17, 2013 at 8:38 AM

“Sen. David Vitter is the skunk at the Capitol Hill party. The Louisiana Republican has introduced a measure in Congress called the No Washington Exemption from Obamacare Act. Vitter’s proposal requires that all senators, representatives and congressional staff members participate in Obamacare on the same basis as their fellow citizens. The measure requires the same participation by the president, heads of executive branch departments and agencies, and administration political appointees. No special treatment. No exemptions. No illegal premium subsidies. Live under the same laws that apply to everybody else getting health insurance.

Makes perfect sense, right? Just don’t expect Vitter’s bill to become law because too many in Washington want special treatment and don’t want to be covered by Obamacare. Vitter pointed to this distressing reality during a recent speech before the Senate: “All across the country, as we see daily in the news reports, Americans are struggling with real issues and real challenges created by Obamacare … but, as that is going on, Washington, leaders here, get an exemption, basically a carve-out, special treatment, a subsidy. That is particularly egregious, particularly unfair, when ordinary Americans suffer under these very real challenges.”

The Obamacare exemption for Congress and its staff came about because after the Affordable Care Act was signed into law, people at both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue read the text — most for the first time ever, by the way — and discovered, to their horror, that it also applied to them. That realization sparked a desperate behind-the-scenes scramble to change the law without being seen as doing so.

To that end, as the Heritage Foundation’s Robert Moffitt explained recently in Human Events, “The White House pressured the U.S Office of Personnel Management, the agency responsible for the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program that covers all federal workers, to give congressmen and their staffers the same employer’s subsidy in the exchanges for next year that they would otherwise get if they had remained in the FEHBP in 2014.” The FEHBP subsidy typically covers about three-quarters of the cost of premiums.

But continuing the FEHBP subsidies was illegal because the Obamacare law clearly said members of Congress and congressional staff were covered by the program, which makes no provision for the FEHBP subsidies. In other words, OPM had no authority to do what the White House was demanding.

Indeed, even before the White House began turning the screws on OPM, the agency’s lawyers had concluded they could not continue the FEHBP subsidies to members of Congress and its staff after Obamacare took effect.

No matter, as Moffitt — a former senior executive at OPM — further explained: “Under pressure from the White House, on Aug. 7, 2013, OPM gave Congress and staffers the special taxpayer subsidies anyway. They are, in fact, ‘special’ — since there is no congressional authorization for the Obama administration to provide them.

So Congress is still technically “covered” by Obamacare, but members and their staff will continue to get the FEHBP premium subsidies. How’s that for having it both ways?…”

Web URL: http://washingtonexaminer.com/article/2539237

workingclass artist on November 17, 2013 at 8:42 AM

Good advice. Probably won’t be heeded.

That’s my fear, that somehow, some way, Republicans are going to wind up being the loser in all this, like they have so many times before. I don’t know what the answer is though.

scalleywag on November 17, 2013 at 8:46 AM

The administration has spent $4.4 billion helping states set up their health insurance exchanges, more than half a billion in just the last four months. Topping the list is California with a whopping $910 million so far, and expected to spend over $1 billion in U.S. tax dollars.

Map at link

http://www.cms.gov/CCIIO/Resources/Marketplace-Grants/index.html

workingclass artist on November 17, 2013 at 8:48 AM

CEO of Chamber of commerce says not enough americans to fill jobs…so Amnesty!

vidoe link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeLbMA8x-t4&feature=player_detailpage#t=59

Samples from the comment thread at the link…

I had to fill out an application last week (I haven’t applied for so many jobs since I was a teenager) and the application asked me if I was African American, Asian, disabled, native indian, etc. Since my identifiers didn’t appear anywhere on the list – I looked the sheet over several times with a quizzical look – I wrote ‘white male’ in a tiny space at the bottom – kind of where I see myself relative to other applicants in this job market.

***

Several times I went for jobs and they asked me if I was “Hispanic”. When I said no, they apologized that they couldn’t hire me… Other times, it was just a mystery why I wasn’t hired even though I met all the qualifications. Once I went to a job fair where I felt like the only “white person” there. I saw a pattern to all of this. We already have too many immigrants in our country and they need to assimilate. If we open the doors to more we will lose our uniqueness as Americans. All I can say is, you better brush up on your Spanish. They’ll be requiring you to be bilingual. In fact, they already are now. (I was also turned down for not being fluent in Spanish…)

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I went through the same thing over and over in Dallas.

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My last job paid over $30.00/hr which, unfortunately, many businesses want you to put on your application. The problem is that that job was temporary part time like the one before it. Loopholed out of any social assistance and over 3 months into my present job search, I am more than willing to work for minimum wage, and do any of the low paid and low skilled jobs I’m not supposed to want.

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Issue is quite complex. Skilled people are available … but I know skilled people who have found it easier to live on entitlements (by doing all they can w/in the system to maximize their entitlements … they do quite well). Others are leaning on the entitlements that their families have relied on for generations … and thus not bothering to develop skills. Still others know that having that one or 2 more children will put their entitlements to where they really need to be to be comfortable. Bottom line, if entitlements stay as lucrative as they are, we need immigrants to come in and do the work. Of course, a large % will see the entitlements and lean heavily on them (and those wonderful tax credits on large numbers of virtual children). Bringing immigrants into a welfare state is a recipe for disaster. Moving to a free state (which would reduce the power and influence of gov’t … so it will never happen) … resolves the immigration problem at the same time. Less entitlement means only those willing to work, or criminals will want to come in.

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This is insane! Stop the EBT and welfare and there will be riots over who will get those jobs! The liberals are at fault for EVERY PROBLEM WE HAVE! The schools have failed miserable under their control as has the government!

workingclass artist on November 17, 2013 at 8:57 AM

HA!

“During Saturday morning’s taping of ESPN’s College GameDay, a fan held up a “Stanford Supports Obamacare” sign to insult the Cardinal football team, symbolizing how unpopular President Barack Obama’s healthcare law is even on college campuses in Southern California…”

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Sports/2013/11/16/Obamacare-Used-As-Insult-Stanford-Supports-Obamacare

workingclass artist on November 17, 2013 at 9:02 AM

“One Day After Questioning Obamacare Fix, The DC Health Commissioner Is Fired
—BenK

William P. White, the D.C. Insurance Commissioner, was fired 24 hours after he pointed out what everyone with a brain knew to be true about Obama’s healthcare fix.

In a statement issued Thursday, White hinted strongly that he opposed the idea.

“The action today undercuts the purpose of the exchanges, including the District’s DC Health Link, by creating exceptions that make it more difficult for them to operate,” the statement said.

He also pointed to a statement issued by the National Association of Insurance Commissioners that said the Obama order “threatens to undermine the new market, and may lead to higher premiums and market disruptions in 2014 and beyond.”

“We concur with that assessment,” White said Thursday.

White’s statement was removed from the department’s Web site sometime before Friday morning. Asked about the removal Friday, spokesman Michael Flagg said the department’s statement had changed.

Can you imagine being a state Insurance Commissioner right now? How much pressure is being put on them to enact a fix that they know can’t work and may very well be illegal?…”

http://ace.mu.nu/

workingclass artist on November 17, 2013 at 9:06 AM

Boehner is no prize, but I need a Dem to tell me how Pelosi doesn’t define stupidity.

BuckeyeSam on November 17, 2013 at 8:26 AM

BuckeyeSam:Lol, tru dats:0

canopfor on November 17, 2013 at 8:34 AM

Boehner is a disaappointment in so many ways, but at least he and McConnell got the Dems to vote against “if you like your plan” back in 2010.

At the time the Dems no doubt argued that it was superrfluous, as Obamacare already guaranteed this, but that vote and the House vote this month will be useful, as the 2015 insurance rates will come out in October 2014.

Wethal on November 17, 2013 at 9:11 AM

Bob Woodward: “This is not Watergate… blah blah blah”
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Yeah, Bob, it’s much worse than Watergate. You are just trying to cement your legacy, old phart.

ExpressoBold on November 17, 2013 at 9:16 AM

I just read a PJ. Media piece by Ed Driscoll, who mentioned something I totally forgot – and it raises a curious question. When Obama’s website went to hell, why didn’t he call “Julia” to fix it?

MikeinPRCA on November 17, 2013 at 9:19 AM

Can you imagine being a state Insurance Commissioner right now? How much pressure is being put on them to enact a fix that they know can’t work and may very well be illegal?…”

http://ace.mu.nu/

workingclass artist on November 17, 2013 at 9:06 AM

not if you are in a red state. if you are in a blue state like vt and wa…..duck

gracie on November 17, 2013 at 9:23 AM

workingclass artist on November 17, 2013 at 8:57 AM

Start lying on job applications!! There’s no way someone can or will ever disprove a claim that you are 1/8 black, or Native American, or ‘Hispanic’. In fact the last label has no real meaning.

It worked for Big Chief Warren, it can work for you. Look at Valerie Jarrett, the whitest black woman in DC.

slickwillie2001 on November 17, 2013 at 9:30 AM

I saw somewhere on Twitter on Friday too that he warned national Republicans not to be too giddy about the program’s implosion, as it’s middle-class people who are bearing the brunt

Sheesh. This was designed to make the middle class dependent. Pointing that out isn’t giddiness, nor is discussion of its deleterious effects on average people.

“Don’t p1ss on dead Taliban, someone might think you’re happy they’re dead.”

Akzed on November 17, 2013 at 9:38 AM

FNC web has a leading news item (written with help from AP) stating Obiecare is Obie’s signature legislation of his tenure and beset by unexpected insurance cancellations.

Wow. Seems like ten years, but really? And ‘unexpected’ cancellations have been thoroughly debunked.

Perhaps FNC should be doing the writing themselves and trying some facts.

TfromV on November 17, 2013 at 9:39 AM

workingclass artist on November 17, 2013 at 8:57 AM

Start lying on job applications!! There’s no way someone can or will ever disprove a claim that you are 1/8 black, or Native American, or ‘Hispanic’. In fact the last label has no real meaning.

It worked for Big Chief Warren, it can work for you. Look at Valerie Jarrett, the whitest black woman in DC.

slickwillie2001 on November 17, 2013 at 9:30 AM

si si puede

workingclass artist on November 17, 2013 at 9:39 AM

Kathleen Kennedy Townsend snorts at the suggestion that President Kennedy’s signing tax reduction makes him a “conservative.” She reminds us that the tax rate was reduced from 90% to 70%.
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What. A. Kook.

ExpressoBold on November 17, 2013 at 9:44 AM

canop,
we saw the weather….staying home from the Bears game! Not a snowball’s chance in he** was I going to drive that drive and then sit with the wind whipping off the lake. I’ll be watching on TV, from the safe environs of the family room!

Go Bears!

Twerp, looks like you got out of Dodge just in time!

herm2416 on November 17, 2013 at 9:55 AM

canopfor hits the ground running this morning. Go get ‘em, C.

For the rest of us, moving apace through our Sunday morning pre-church routine, let us pause to acknowledge the power of the DNC/Liberal Media Propaganda Machine:

“Meet the Press” on NBC
• House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.)
• Sen. Kelly Ayotte (R-N.H.)

“Face the Nation” on CBS
• Luci Baines Johnson, daughter of Lyndon B. Johnson
• Dr. Ronald Jones, surgeon for John F. Kennedy and Lee Harvey Oswald

“This Week” on ABC
• Faux-centrist Lib
• Conservative
• RINO
• Marxist
• Limousine Socialist
• Limousine Socialist

“Fox News Sunday” on Fox
• 3rd Party self-interest
• 3rd Party self-interest
• Limousine Conservative
• Limousine Socialist
• Limousine Socialist

“State of the Union” on CNN
• Foreigner
• Conservative
• Race-victim Liberal

“Political Capital” on Bloomberg TV
• Conservative
• Socialist

“Al Punto” on Univision
• Corrupt Limousine Liberal

A rare Sunday where the conservative point of view is aired in almost every environment. Quite a bit better than normal.

Jaibones on November 17, 2013 at 9:56 AM

I threw in the class/limousine epithet as a last-minute cynical addition. I thought it would be fun to acknowledge how the rhetoric mostly from the left doesn’t really match reality.

Jaibones on November 17, 2013 at 9:58 AM

Where’s George S? Called in ill?

22044 on November 17, 2013 at 10:02 AM

** Pelosium Part Uno:

Obama health care law
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House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi: ‘The rollout of the [health care] website – that’s terrible. But the fact is that will be fixed.’ – @meetthepress
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Frank Thorp V ‏@frankthorpNBC 1h

Now on @meetthepress, @KellyAyotte responding to @NancyPelosi
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.@NancyPelosi on #MTP “Democrats stand till in support of the Affordable Care Act.”

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Sitting down with @davidgregory to talk ACA and our nation’s top priorities. Tune in this morning to Meet the Press.
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On #MTP, @NancyPelosi defends her statements, saying she was referring to plans you had before the enactment of the law
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Dem Leader @NancyPelosi on Pres. Obama apology: “He took responsibility for the big picture and that’s important for him to do.” #MTP

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On #MTP, @davidgregory shows a clip from a previous interview with @NancyPelosi where she says if you like you plan, you can keep it
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@tombrokaw in @meetthepress studio this AM to talk about his NBC special “Where Were You: The Day JFK Died” premiering 8pm/et on 11/22 #MTP
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.@nancypelosi on #MTP: “The rollout of the [health care] website – that’s terrible. But the fact is that will be fixed.”

canopfor on November 17, 2013 at 10:17 AM

** Pelosium Part Deux **:
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https://twitter.com/meetthepress

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VIDEO: @KellyAyotte on #MTP: “No matter how much leader Pelosi tries to spin [#Obamacare], this is a mess.” http://nbcnews.to/1aLiGFi
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Take-aways from @meetthepress: 1) @NancyPelosi defends ACA, and her previous stmts 2) @KellyAyotte slams ACA, but offers no alternative
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Read @TomBrokaw’s foreward for “Where Were You: America Remembers the JFK Assassination” on our web site http://nbcnews.to/1dIjtuO
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RT @frankthorpNBC: And now on @meetthepress, @tombrokaw and @hardball_chris discussing the assassination of JFK
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On #MTP, @kathleenparker says that a one year delay of the indiv mandate would have been better than this roll-out
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.@murphymike: “One of the sneaky tricks of politics: when your opponents have kind of a good idea, steal it and take credit.” #MTP
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Chris Matthews on the state of politics: “There are no good guys anymore.” #MTP
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On #MTP, @MurphyMike said as a Republican is was nice to “watch @NancyPelosi retreat faster than a French general.”
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Chris Matthews on the #MTP roundtable: “I’ve always been arguing that this president have a chain of command.”
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On #MTP, @ezraklein also notes how a botched ACA roll-out does not bode well for future government-run reform proposals
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Our #MTP political roundtable is up next: @tombrokaw @murphymike @kathleenparker and @hardball_chris
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On #MTP Pelosi defends her 2009 health care comments: “If you like what you have and you want to keep it, you have the choice to do that”
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Meeting the Press: pic.twitter.com/9jExmJ9LMd

canopfor on November 17, 2013 at 10:20 AM

canopfor hits the ground running this morning. Go get ‘em, C.

Jaibones on November 17, 2013 at 9:56 AM

Jaibones:

I’m try’n, but curses, I have a playground park across the
street, and I’m inbeteween Grandson Watch Detail!!—–:0

canopfor on November 17, 2013 at 10:24 AM

If there’s anyone in the party who might have the nerve to do that, it’s Nancy. You’re damned right she ordered the code red on affordable coverage, David Gregory.

And she’s also the one who would follow that with, “And the people couldn’t handle the truth. Which is why we had to lie and pass it to see what’s in it.”

I saw somewhere on Twitter on Friday too that he warned national Republicans not to be too giddy about the program’s implosion, as it’s middle-class people who are bearing the brunt of the chaos. Good advice. Probably won’t be heeded.

Point, however, after the abuse we went through while we were screaming from the roof tops that exactly this would happen, I think we’re allowed an ‘I told you so.’ or two…..million.

Rogue on November 17, 2013 at 10:30 AM

11/16/13 – Sen. Ron Johnson (R-WI) Delivers Weekly GOP Address on Obamacare’s Failures

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In the Weekly Republican Address, Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin calls on Democrats to join Republicans in passing legislation he authored to limit the damage of …

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FFyzc4LGUM&feature=c4-overview&list=UUOKW-o3oYdFmrMNcTLVuaoA

canopfor on November 17, 2013 at 10:30 AM

Jaibones on November 17, 2013 at 9:56 AM

…Thank You….have to watch Pelosi…just for the b s and botox brained entertainment!

KOOLAID2 on November 17, 2013 at 10:35 AM

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Nancy Pelosi on @MeetThePress: Despite recent woes, Democrats will ‘stand tall’ for Obamacare in 2014 http://nbcnews.to/1b1y7iQ #MTP
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canopfor on November 17, 2013 at 10:47 AM

Nanzi is completely insane….

d1carter on November 17, 2013 at 11:11 AM

canop,
we saw the weather….staying home from the Bears game! Not a snowball’s chance in he** was I going to drive that drive and then sit with the wind whipping off the lake. I’ll be watching on TV, from the safe environs of the family room!

Go Bears!

Twerp, looks like you got out of Dodge just in time!

herm2416 on November 17, 2013 at 9:55 AM

herm2416: A bit strange for this time of years:)
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Heres GOES SAT Coverage of the mess!

GOES East
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http://goes.gsfc.nasa.gov/

http://goes.gsfc.nasa.gov/goescolor/goeseast/overview2/color_lrg/latestfull.jpg

http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/us-midwest-severe-weather-threat-nov-17-2013/

canopfor on November 17, 2013 at 11:15 AM

***USSR ***

Plane crash in central Russia, Nov. 17, 2013
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Kazan’, Tatarstan Republic, RU
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Reports say Boeing 737 belonging to Tatarstan Airlines crashed in Kazan, Russia, at about 7:20 pm local time – @AP
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Russia
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More: Russian news reports Boeing 737 crashes while landing in central Russia; Emergencies Ministry says 44 feared dead – @RT_com
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Russia
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Report: Passenger jet crashes while landing in central Russia, Emergencies Ministry says – @RT_com
read more on rt.com
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http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/plane-crash-in-central-russia-nov-17-2013/

canopfor on November 17, 2013 at 11:41 AM

Go Bears!

Twerp, looks like you got out of Dodge just in time!

herm2416 on November 17, 2013 at 9:55 AM

herm2416: The Bears:)
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Photo: Workers remove tarp from Soldier Field in Chicago ahead of Bears-Ravens football game; severe weather expected in the area – chicagobears on Instagram
see original on instagram.com
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http://instagram.com/p/g0g5RjnEsy/#

canopfor on November 17, 2013 at 11:49 AM

** USSR Plane Crash Image:

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Photo purports to show plane that crashed in Kazan, Russia – @abunin via @RT_com
see original on t.co
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https://twitter.com/abunin/status/402109261767254016/photo/1/large

canopfor on November 17, 2013 at 11:54 AM

Oops,

RE:USSR Image:
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Editor items
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Editor’s note: A photo posted earlier purporting to show the plane that crashed in central Russia is from February 2013, @Storyful reports. We posted the image crediting @abunin via @RT_com and have since deleted it. – Stephanie

canopfor on November 17, 2013 at 12:27 PM

I’m try’n, but curses, I have a playground park across the
street, and I’m inbeteween Grandson Watch Detail!!—–:0

canopfor on November 17, 2013 at 10:24 AM

Ha. Grandson duty is much more rewarding than politics, and you know it. Enjoy…

Jaibones on November 17, 2013 at 12:38 PM

have to watch Pelosi…just for the b s and botox brained entertainment!

KOOLAID2 on November 17, 2013 at 10:35 AM

Like a train wreck…you just can’t look away, no matter how awful. But she’s so crazy and self-destructive…I just can’t do it anymore.

Why won’t her buddies in the press hold an intervention with her family and have her removed from public for a period of time? She’s already the most despised politician in the U.S. — I think with no one else close, including O’Bozo or Reid, who are both wildly unpopular.

Every public utterane is crazier than the last one and moves her closer to forced institutionalization. A loving family would have her kept quietly in an upstairs room, with professional care.

Jaibones on November 17, 2013 at 12:43 PM

Bet this is like the day the Edmund Fitzgerald went down in Michigan all those years ago. I was only a wee one so I don’t remember….but we are going to batten down the hatches here in the Great Lakes State.

Grace_is_sufficient on November 17, 2013 at 12:45 PM

Grace_is_sufficient on November 17, 2013 at 12:45 PM

Great reminder. “The Witch of November”…

Jaibones on November 17, 2013 at 12:49 PM

I’m try’n, but curses, I have a playground park across the
street, and I’m inbeteween Grandson Watch Detail!!—–:0

canopfor on November 17, 2013 at 10:24 AM

Ha. Grandson duty is much more rewarding than politics, and you know it. Enjoy…

Jaibones on November 17, 2013 at 12:38 PM

Jailbones:Sooo true, yup–:0

canopfor on November 17, 2013 at 4:52 PM

Hubris scumhag

Schadenfreude on November 17, 2013 at 5:34 PM

A country that can produce a Pelosi can’t be all good.

Dhuka on November 17, 2013 at 6:10 PM

Jailbones: Sooo true, yup–:0

canopfor on November 17, 2013 at 4:52 PM

Our first is 9 months old. Cutest little boy you ever saw.

Jaibones on November 17, 2013 at 7:33 PM

canopfor on November 17, 2013 at 4:52 PM

Our first is 9 months old. Cutest little boy you ever saw.

Jaibones on November 17, 2013 at 7:33 PM

Jailbones: Aren’t they all, and, congrats—:0

canopfor on November 17, 2013 at 8:20 PM

What I find astounding is that someone with the intellectual depth of Nancy Pelosi (e.g. a measurable I.Q. a few points higher than a house plant) can move from one coast to the other and become a mega-multi-millionaire. She started out as a Baltimore city council weenie after the ‘family plan’. And now?

Criminologist must be baffled when you compare the meteoric financial rise of people like Al Capone, et al public enemies, with Pelosi.

Missilengr on November 18, 2013 at 1:07 PM