Quotes of the day

posted at 8:31 pm on November 16, 2013 by Allahpundit

Several insurance industry officials and state insurance commissioners expressed frustration Friday, saying they were “baffled” by President Barack Obama’s assertion that the cancellation of millions of insurance policies occurred because a key provision of the Affordable Care Act didn’t work as expected. The administration was warned three years ago that regulations would have exactly that effect, they said…

“We have been saying for years that the requirements in the law were going to mean that people couldn’t keep their current plans and they were going to have to purchase coverage that was more expensive,” said one high-level heath industry insider who spoke on condition of anonymity. “We said these changes would disrupt coverage and increase premiums for consumers. And now everything we said is coming true and people are acting surprised.”

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Three health insurers faced a prescient question the night of Nov. 13: What if President Obama suddenly preserves health plans that do not comply with the Affordable Care Act?…

“The unanimous response was, ‘That’s impossible. Those plans are gone,’” O’Grady says…

“It would be a mad scramble to file rates. And it would be a huge administrative burden to go into great detail explaining why we’re letting substandard policies continue,” O’Grady says. “We’re six weeks away from Jan. 1. All that is almost impossible to do now.”…

O’Grady says he does not know what to expect next.

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The insurers, many of whom expressed anger that the president had not consulted them before Thursday’s announcement, said they had come away from the meeting [with Obama] willing to work with the White House on the cancellation issue and still protect the financial viability of the new insurance marketplaces. They did not discuss in detail how the president’s goal might be achieved…

At the meeting, insurers emphasized their concerns that the president’s proposal could actually lead to higher insurance prices in 2015 and beyond by skewing the mix of customers in the new insurance marketplace. In other words, people who now have cheaper insurance — because their plans have fewer benefits — may still choose to keep them, rather than buying the new policies. Generally, those people are thought to be younger and healthier…

Logan Harrison, chief deputy commissioner of the Indiana Department of Insurance, said his state had not decided how to proceed but the fact that they were having to scramble to do anything was maddening.

“This is absurd,” he said. The president, he said, made a “purely political decision” that punts his problem squarely into the laps of state insurance commissioners. “It’s unfair to us and our citizens.” A number of other state officials, both Democrats and Republicans, echoed Mr. Harrison’s frustration but were not willing to speak on the record.

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A cursory discussion with almost anyone who knows anything about the insurance business would have alerted the president to the fact that his proposal is unworkable. The initial take from experts on both the right and the left is that the president did not fix anything yesterday. Insurance industry experts agree that the very idea that canceled health policies can be renewed or extended for one year is laughable — especially with the cumbersome rules that would have to accompany any such temporary reinstatements or extensions. One must assume the White House consulted experts before President Obama announced his plan. So we can rule out delusion. Surely this was an informed decision … right?…

Now we are headed into the holiday season, when families will get together and trade stories of the personal turmoil they’ve experienced thanks to the president and his Democratic allies. Very few will share happy tales of satisfaction with Obamacare or anything else the president is doing right now.

Yes, things will ultimately get better, but the president and his allies are in for a long, cold winter.

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But on the broader question of whether Obama can rebuild an effective presidency after this debacle, it’s starting to look as if it may be game over.

The record for recent second-term presidents is not good: Reagan had Iran-contra, Clinton had impeachment and Bush had Katrina and Iraq. Once a president suffers a blow such as Obama is now suffering with his health-care law — in which the public not only disapproves of a president’s actions but starts to take a negative view of him personally — it is difficult to recover…

We have seen this before. After the flubbed response to Katrina in 2005, George W. Bush’s honest-and-trustworthy rating fell below 50 percent for the first time, and it never returned.

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“The elements of hope and change just aren’t there,” said one former senior administration official, who worked on the campaign and went on to work in the Obama White House…

“On a question of competency, an in particular for this White House which sold themselves as technically competent, they failed so spectacularly on the president’s number one priority,” Fratto said. “That’s really hard to recover from. It tends to be lasting and it’s very difficult to bounce back. I don’t know if there’s much the White House can do about it now.”…

One observer close to the West Wing described staff as being in “full triage mode.”

“They’re only focusing on the things around them that have a potential to crash around them…the things that if not immediately addressed will put [Obama] deeper and deeper in the quicksand.”

“It’s a serious problem,” one official said,“ and there’s a palpable sense of urgency” that its not typical of the way the no-drama-Obama West Wing works.

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The current troubles of the Obama presidency can be read back into its beginnings. Rule by personal charisma has met its proper fate. The spell has been broken, and the magician stands exposed. We need no pollsters to tell us of the loss of faith in Mr. Obama’s policies—and, more significantly, in the man himself. Charisma is like that. Crowds come together and they project their needs onto an imagined redeemer. The redeemer leaves the crowd to its imagination: For as long as the charismatic moment lasts—a year, an era—the redeemer is above and beyond judgment. He glides through crises, he knits together groups of varied, often clashing, interests. Always there is that magical moment, and its beauty, as a reference point…

A leader who set out to remake the health-care system in the country, a sixth of the national economy, on a razor-thin majority with no support whatsoever from the opposition party, misunderstood the nature of democratic politics. An election victory is the beginning of things, not the culmination. With Air Force One and the other prerogatives of office come the need for compromise, and for the disputations of democracy. A president who sought consensus would have never left his agenda on Capitol Hill in the hands of Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi…

If Barack Obama seems like a man alone, with nervous Democrats up for re-election next year running for cover, and away from him, this was the world he made. No advisers of stature can question his policies; the price of access in the Obama court is quiescence before the leader’s will. The imperial presidency is in full bloom.

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Offer them full repeal only. Over and over. Upton showed a crack in their coalition. The tension and fear is building. Build a plan to pressure vulnerable red state Democrats. Hang the stories of the victims of Obamacare around their necks. Make them bleed. Make them own it. Stretch out the pain until consumer and voter pressure does your work for you.

It’s important to not allow them to make an easy, one-time vote and then run home saying, “I know we built the monster. I know, I was there in the lab. I know I popped champagne when it came to life. But now I’m with you, friends! I voted to fix it! I’m a Blue-Dog centrist! Damn, I wish Baron von Obama had done this better! No one could foresee the creature’s murderous rampage!”

No issue has the potential to cause more damage to the Democrats in 2014 and beyond than Obamacare. Let the Democrats’ monster rage.

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All this for a law created to insure the uninsured. Instead, in one month’s time, around 100,000 policies have been sold while millions of Americans on the individual market have had their policies canceled. The law has left the insured uninsured, the president’s purported fix notwithstanding…

As the guys in those Guinness commercials would say, “Brilliant!” Obamacare policy premiums in many cases were already going to cost significantly more money; this “fix” could cause even bigger increases. The law is so deeply flawed, with so many components in direct conflict with one another, that tweaking just one part will accelerate its collapse.

The Obamacare debacle is just getting started — and it only gets worse from here. Repeal and replace.

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Sure, myself and millions of others were cancelled. My attitude with Upton is upchuck. 1 year was not O’Bamateur’s promise. It was PERIOD. No one year crap. So 1 year IMO is Upton playing into O’s hand.

Starlink on November 16, 2013 at 10:52 PM

Great point. It wasn’t just one year.
It was PERIOD!

Clearly when he said “you can keep your plan, period” he didn’t mean “BUT ONLY FOR ONE YEAR!” No, and now after all the uproar about his lie, he gives a half-hearted ineffectual attempt to rectify his lie, to correct it, but for only 1 year???

anotherJoe on November 17, 2013 at 1:23 AM

kcewa on November 17, 2013 at 1:18 AM

and those are the ones that are just trying to escape Obumblecare..

i asked when i worked at JPL..
the woman i spoke with had two questions…how old are you ..and do you smoke..
and the answer is yes and yes,,,
so i asked her…will you let me at least bring Scotch…
she said no…..
so i guess thats where i though”first still on mars”….yeahhh thats the ticket..
you’ll be the only booze for a million miles….

going2mars on November 17, 2013 at 1:25 AM

I read somewhere today “It’s going to get worse before it gets worse.”
Dhuka on November 17, 2013 at 1:16 AM

That’s almost talkin’ Minnesotan.

whatcat on November 17, 2013 at 1:27 AM

Del Dolemonte on November 17, 2013 at 1:08 AM

,,,,excellent band membership – but I have always HATED that song…..it’s Neil Young in his “stupid” phase…..that and Steven Stills is a JAAAAAAAA….

williamg on November 17, 2013 at 1:29 AM

so i asked her…will you let me at least bring Scotch…
she said no…..
going2mars on November 17, 2013 at 1:25 AM

I’m sure there first thing to be built will be a still.

kcewa on November 17, 2013 at 1:30 AM

The Chinese….well, I’m not as worried about them….

williamg on November 17, 2013 at 1:21 AM

when Bill got elected they couldnt get a missle off the ground and hit a target worth a damn..
by the end of his 8 years…not only could they get a missle offthe ground..
but actually hit targets as far away as Pheonix…Vegas…Salt Lake…

going2mars on November 17, 2013 at 1:30 AM

Clearly when he said “you can keep your plan, period”

anotherJoe on November 17, 2013 at 1:23 AM

He was speaking to someone named ‘Period’?

kcewa on November 17, 2013 at 1:32 AM

when Bill got elected they couldnt get a missle off the ground and hit a target worth a damn..
by the end of his 8 years…not only could they get a missle offthe ground..
but actually hit targets as far away as Pheonix…Vegas…Salt Lake…

going2mars on November 17, 2013 at 1:30 AM

Yep, that treason alone should have resulted in some guillotine action … pathetic!

“If you like your life, you can keep your life.”

- Emperor Barky I

ShainS on November 17, 2013 at 1:33 AM

going2mars on November 17, 2013 at 1:13 AM

78,000 apply for private Mars colony project

kcewa on November 17, 2013 at 1:18 AM

Got my ticket here! See you earthlings! Good luck!

BoxHead1 on November 17, 2013 at 1:33 AM

I’m sure there first thing to be built will be a still.

kcewa on November 17, 2013 at 1:30 AM

they will be living in a hampster habitat and eating MRE’s for at least a year befor they grow anywhere near enough to eat..

besides…im irish/english…we need a good pop now and then..

going2mars on November 17, 2013 at 1:36 AM

going2mars on November 17, 2013 at 1:30 AM

Yes – and they are reasonably sane – and more friend that foe for good reasons……..the Norks, on the other hand….not very worried about China right now……

Also – without the help of The Chinese – we would not have gotten the Design Certification and Combined Operating Licenses here in The States for 4 AP1000 Passive Reactors…..

They helped bring the Nuclear Industry in this Country back to Life……that is a good thing, and I am grateful to them for that…..have spent a Lot of time in China in the last few years…

williamg on November 17, 2013 at 1:38 AM

williamg on November 17, 2013 at 1:38 AM

your Firm must sell something they want bad…

or you manufacture something there…

for the most part they have no problem breaking US patten laws..
they still need to figure out how to feed all those ppl…
they started building aircraftcarriers…and fighter jets for some reason…
you dont need an aircraftcarrier to protect the home land..

im interested…what ya doing in china??..

going2mars on November 17, 2013 at 1:46 AM

MCALLISTER WINS 5TH DISTRICT CONGRESSIONAL SEAT

This will be the big political news tomorrow and Monday because:

Riser and McAllister largely agreed on many issues. Both opposed abortion, favor strong gun rights and criticize the levels of federal spending and debt.

Their sharpest distinction rested with President Barack Obama’s signature health care law.

Both opposed the health overhaul, but Riser wanted only repeal, saying the law will harm businesses and families and can’t be fixed.

McAllister said repeal had no chance with Democrats leading the Senate and White House, so he said Congress should work to improve the law. He also wants Louisiana to expand its Medicaid program to give insurance to the working poor, an expansion that Riser opposed.

The positions put McAllister at odds with some tea party supporters but generated support from Democrats who had no candidate of their own in the runoff.

Stockley said voters in the very strongly conservative 5th District “signaled that McAllister’s pragmatism seems to be a more tenable governing solution.”

kcewa on November 17, 2013 at 1:47 AM

BoxHead1 on November 17, 2013 at 1:33 AM

i worked as a designer on MSL..
so i have ‘bits’ there allready…(SaSpaH)
a sample handling/collecting devise on the front of the rover.
i also asked if my stuff breaks down…can i have a ticket to go fix it…

no…she said…..hangs head..

going2mars on November 17, 2013 at 1:50 AM

“very strongly conservative 5th District ”
kcewa on November 17, 2013 at 1:47 AM

not conservative enough id say…

going2mars on November 17, 2013 at 1:52 AM

“very strongly conservative 5th District ”
kcewa on November 17, 2013 at 1:47 AM

not conservative enough id say…

going2mars on November 17, 2013 at 1:52 AM

Yeah. I think the difference in the election was this:

McAllister, meanwhile, embraced his outsider status, complete with an endorsement from his close friend Phil Robertson, the patriarch of television’s hit series “Duck Dynasty.”

That matters more than politics I’m afraid.

kcewa on November 17, 2013 at 1:59 AM

kcewa on November 17, 2013 at 1:59 AM

i most of red state america..a DD endorsement would be happy happy

going2mars on November 17, 2013 at 2:04 AM

im interested…what ya doing in china??..

going2mars on November 17, 2013 at 1:46 AM

g2m – did you read my post? It would have been obvious…….

I helped complete the design for the AP1000……google it…….

williamg on November 17, 2013 at 2:12 AM

kcewa on November 17, 2013 at 1:47 AM

Ok, pragmatic McAllister won. What’s the take home for us?
How does it affect us?

anotherJoe on November 17, 2013 at 2:12 AM

williamg on November 17, 2013 at 2:12 AM

yes i read it…
so you work for westinghouse then??..

going2mars on November 17, 2013 at 2:13 AM

Too much political talk and not enough dancing girls.

whatcat on November 17, 2013 at 2:16 AM

kcewa on November 17, 2013 at 1:47 AM

Ok, pragmatic McAllister won. What’s the take home for us?
How does it affect us?

anotherJoe on November 17, 2013 at 2:12 AM

The take home is that opposing Obamacare isn’t enough when people are afraid of being bankrupted by huge medical bills. Need to convince them there are conservative solutions to the problem.

kcewa on November 17, 2013 at 2:19 AM

I gotta tell ya. This little XL250R, circa 1982, has brass balls.

90 mpg, and it screams over everything in it’s path.

I run over boulder strewn desolate no-mans land. With a bottle of wine.

It climbs mountains, and gets me back home.

It’s an amazing machine. Boogity fast.
L
It luvs dirt road. .

I’m serious,, this thing plows. The mountains out here are unforgiving. Out of cell range.

They would find your carcass, years later.

She takes me way out there. Where few go. And back home.

31 years old. One helluva machine.

wolly4321 on November 17, 2013 at 2:19 AM

Too much political talk and not enough dancing girls.

whatcat on November 17, 2013 at 2:16 AM

They look green – like Martians. I like that.

kcewa on November 17, 2013 at 2:21 AM

….the thing that is ALWAYS true with The Chinese – and they Tell you up front:

When EVER they purchase something from you (particularly when it’s nearly 30 Billion dollars of “something”) – they TELL you upfront that part of their purchase contract will include you doing what they call a “Technology Transfer” – which means you will tell THEM how to create the Technology you’re selling them…..

If you are smart – you craft your contract to take that into account in the price, and make sure that you “phase” their ability to “make it themselves” during manufacture……example: you are responsible for the design and manufacture of the first X units……

Also – they are not Stupid and, even though they are good at “copying” and “reverse engineering”, they ALWAYS want you involved in the design, manufacture and delivery of subsequent units…..they Know what they Don’t Know……and they like to “share” liability…….

You have to “teach” them how to cook “quality” into their processes at times……so far, it has worked well for us………they will build whatever they building “with” or “without” you – and it’s much better if it is “with” you – and they KNOW that…

williamg on November 17, 2013 at 2:21 AM

going2mars on November 17, 2013 at 2:13 AM

….i didn’t say that – or imply it…….if you “googled” it, you should have realized that there are a LOT of companies involved in that enterprise…….besides circle-bar-double-u…….

…..it’s kind of a rude question…..that you don’t need the answer to……nothing personal.

williamg on November 17, 2013 at 2:27 AM

“China wants to have 100 units under construction and operating by 2020, according to Aris Candris, Westinghouse’s CEO”

wow you will be busy…for a while…

do you design as in draw..or engineering??

going2mars on November 17, 2013 at 2:28 AM

Too much political talk and not enough dancing girls.

whatcat on November 17, 2013 at 2:16 AM

They look green – like Martians. I like that.

kcewa on November 17, 2013 at 2:21 AM

Well, they are dancing to “Green River” afterall.
:D

And it was from Jan 1st, 1970, so the year and decade were green, too. Actually was a rehearsal of the dance routine, hence it not being real tight.

whatcat on November 17, 2013 at 2:30 AM

williamg on November 17, 2013 at 2:27 AM

sorry…didnt mean to pry…or imply that..

im a designer…have been for 35years…so im always interested in …whats new..

going2mars on November 17, 2013 at 2:33 AM

The take home is that opposing Obamacare isn’t enough when people are afraid of being bankrupted by huge medical bills. Need to convince them there are conservative solutions to the problem.

kcewa on November 17, 2013 at 2:19 AM

And pre-existing conditions will, one way or another, be covered. But don’t take over the entire medical system just because of pre-existing conditions. And give aid to the poor, but not massive subsidies like in Obamacare, like for families making as much $92,000! And remember the $750 billion of Medicare cuts to come.

anotherJoe on November 17, 2013 at 2:35 AM

“China wants to have 100 units under construction and operating by 2020, according to Aris Candris, Westinghouse’s CEO”

wow you will be busy…for a while…

do you design as in draw..or engineering??

going2mars on November 17, 2013 at 2:28 AM

Hahahahaha!!

I met Aris. He has not been the CEO of Westinghouse for……at least 4 or 5 years now…..

The “100 units” number is interesting………there is a lot of information behind that head line.

They are building 4 Units in China right now – 2 at Sanmen and 2 up north at Haiyang.

I hear that there is some contractual paperwork signed for a number of additional units…….but I am not sure that they are complete “EPC”, or “Engineering, Procurement and Construction” Contracts like on the first four units…..

There are 4 Units being built in the United States right now, too …..2 in South Carolina and 2 in Georgia……there is also paperwork afoot for 2 more in Florida, as I understand it……

williamg on November 17, 2013 at 2:36 AM

Elton John:

“Saturday Night’s Alright for Fighting”

“Rocket Man”

Mars ain’t the kind of place to raise your kids
In fact it’s cold as hell
And there’s no one there to raise them, if you did
And all this science I don’t understand

Anti-Control on November 17, 2013 at 2:38 AM

williamg on November 17, 2013 at 2:27 AM

sorry…didnt mean to pry…or imply that..

im a designer…have been for 35years…so im always interested in …whats new..

going2mars on November 17, 2013 at 2:33 AM

No offense taken – we’re cool………just need to be careful……..

Natural question – perhaps we can talk “offline” someday…..

williamg on November 17, 2013 at 2:39 AM

williamg on November 17, 2013 at 2:39 AM

i am working on some actuator test fixtures …in my house in michigan..
for a firm in cali…for a jet from airbus in france..
so yes i know a bit about parting the job out…
spent most of the last 35 eyars in so-cal..aerospace..
but i like to think i can draw anything ,,,man made,,,,dont ask me to draw the cat….but if you need a cable wrap or a bi-ax drive for your satelite im good with that..

going2mars on November 17, 2013 at 2:46 AM

The Flying Burrito Brothers – “Six Days on the Road” (live 1971)

Anti-Control on November 17, 2013 at 2:47 AM

The Flying Burrito Brothers – “Six Days on the Road” (live 1971)

Anti-Control on November 17, 2013 at 2:47 AM

Cool, never heard that cover before.

whatcat on November 17, 2013 at 2:58 AM

Too much political talk and not enough dancing girls.

whatcat on November 17, 2013 at 2:16 AM

I am not sure if this qualifies as dancing, but…

Sweet – “Own Up (Take a Look at Yourself)”

Anti-Control on November 17, 2013 at 2:59 AM

the take home is that opposing Obamacare isn’t enough when people are afraid of being bankrupted by huge medical bills. Need to convince them there are conservative solutions to the problem.

kcewa on November 17, 2013 at 2:19 AM

And pre-existing conditions will, one way or another, be covered. But don’t take over the entire medical system just because of pre-existing conditions. And give aid to the poor, but not massive subsidies like in Obamacare, like for families making as much $92,000! And remember the $750 billion of Medicare cuts to come.

anotherJoe on November 17, 2013 at 2:35 AM

I agree with “don’t take over the entire system”, a socialized system can’t work and will create even worse problems than those it’s designed to solve. Not to mention that it will create a centralized system for those with totalitarian mentalities to use us as subjects in their stupid schemes.

The best way to give health insurance to the poor is to make the product cheaper. The way to do that is to make the health care system more efficient. The way to do that is to increase competition and empower the consumers.

kcewa on November 17, 2013 at 3:07 AM

but i like to think i can draw anything ,,,man made,,,,dont ask me to draw the cat….but if you need a cable wrap or a bi-ax drive for your satelite im good with that..

going2mars on November 17, 2013 at 2:46 AM

……that is TRULY a gifted talent from God. My father was a professional free-lance tool and die designer for 3 years before he went to and finished engineering school……he could “freehand” things that looked like the best 3-D holograms you ever saw – WITH dimensions…..

…..I BARELY passed drafting……..Barely……we had the SAME professor in school! There’s a funny story behind that….

williamg on November 17, 2013 at 3:09 AM

I am not sure if this qualifies as dancing, but…
Sweet – “Own Up (Take a Look at Yourself)”
Anti-Control on November 17, 2013 at 2:59 AM

Mmmmm…I’d say that’s more obvious skank acting obviously skanky than dancing. Try something like this for casually observed hot dancing girl.

whatcat on November 17, 2013 at 3:10 AM

i like to think i can draw anything ,,,man made,,,,dont ask me to draw the cat….but if you need a cable wrap or a bi-ax drive for your satelite im good with that..
going2mars on November 17, 2013 at 2:46 AM

How about a drawing of a cat wrapped in cable holding a bi-ax drive?
(or, as it’s called these days, an “other-gendered drive”.)

whatcat on November 17, 2013 at 3:12 AM

williamg on November 17, 2013 at 3:09 AM

even when i worked on the drafting table long time ago i was no where near as gifted as your father…
they came for my table when i was in cali at TRW in the early 80′s..
and ive been drawing on the computer since…
i work UGII software…
UG and Catia are the largest drawing programs on the planet..
and yes i still own several drafting tables at home here…

going2mars on November 17, 2013 at 3:17 AM

Mmmmm…I’d say that’s more obvious skank acting obviously skanky than dancing. Try something like this for casually observed hot dancing girl.

whatcat on November 17, 2013 at 3:10 AM

Bobby Fuller Four – “I Fought The Law” on Shivaree

Anti-Control on November 17, 2013 at 3:17 AM

This would qualify as dancing. If she could dance.
kcewa on November 17, 2013 at 3:14 AM

Yeah, there ya go. She can’t dance well, but who cares?

whatcat on November 17, 2013 at 3:18 AM

Mmmmm…I’d say that’s more obvious skank acting obviously skanky than dancing. Try something like this for casually observed hot dancing girl.

whatcat on November 17, 2013 at 3:10 AM

……that girl makes Viagra look like aspirin……..she’s magical…..and one of the most powerful magic spell-casters alive……she could raise the dead….literally…

williamg on November 17, 2013 at 3:20 AM

How about a drawing of a cat wrapped in cable holding a bi-ax drive?
(or, as it’s called these days, an “other-gendered drive”.)

whatcat on November 17, 2013 at 3:12 AM

a cable wrapped cat holding a bi-ax drive would be at the bottom of the lake…
to move solar panels on a satelite twin axis drives are heavy..

going2mars on November 17, 2013 at 3:21 AM

just got home after 14 hours in a car, and discovered that the bag of cat food that I ordered before I left had arrived as a 30 LB bag of dog food. Gave the cats treats for dinner.
it’s awesome to be home. ///

annoyinglittletwerp on November 17, 2013 at 3:21 AM

This would qualify as dancing. If she could dance.

kcewa on November 17, 2013 at 3:14 AM

Mama Cass Candy Crowley kinda has some moves here:

Mamas & The Papas – “California Dreamin’”

Anti-Control on November 17, 2013 at 3:23 AM

Mmmmm…I’d say that’s more obvious skank acting obviously skanky than dancing. Try something like this for casually observed hot dancing girl.

whatcat on November 17, 2013 at 3:10 AM

….that girl makes v i a g r a look like aspirin…….she’s magical….,and one of the most powerful magical spell-casters on the planet……she could Raise the dead….literally…..

williamg on November 17, 2013 at 3:24 AM

Bobby Fuller Four – “I Fought The Law” on Shivaree
Anti-Control on November 17, 2013 at 3:17 AM

Used to love all those go-go dancim’ music shows as a young lad.
American Bandstand with the sound turned off, ahhh memories.

whatcat on November 17, 2013 at 3:25 AM

The best way to give health insurance to the poor is to make the product cheaper. The way to do that is to make the health care system more efficient. The way to do that is to increase competition and empower the consumers.

kcewa on November 17, 2013 at 3:07 AM

I actually liked the ideas McCain had in 2008.

And I hear that Singapore’s free market based system has dramatically lower costs where everyone builds big health savings accounts, and everyone pays for their own medical care, and the costs and quality of med care is aggressively advertised. I hope to find time to read this book: http://www.amazon.com/Affordable-Excellence-Singapore-Healthcare-Story/dp/0815724160/ref=tmm_pap_title_0
A kindle version of the book is free, apparently.

anotherJoe on November 17, 2013 at 3:27 AM

Sorry, I’ve been gone from home for 2 weeks and have been up since 0830 yesterday.

annoyinglittletwerp on November 17, 2013 at 3:27 AM

This would be non-skank dancing. Well, at least she’s not a skank.

kcewa on November 17, 2013 at 3:25 AM

Big Rogers and Astaire fan here. That really was entertainment.

whatcat on November 17, 2013 at 3:28 AM

American Bandstand with the sound turned off, ahhh memories.

whatcat on November 17, 2013 at 3:25 AM

“Hullabaloo” – my favorite……never forget seeing James Brown on there for the First Time!

williamg on November 17, 2013 at 3:29 AM

Mama Cass Candy Crowley kinda has some moves here:

Mamas & The Papas – “California Dreamin’”

Anti-Control on November 17, 2013 at 3:23 AM

Speaking of california… Neil Young – California Sunset

kcewa on November 17, 2013 at 3:31 AM

annoyinglittletwerp on November 17, 2013 at 3:21 AM

welcome home..!!
sorry we were making bad cat jokes when you came home…
hope your drive was safe and uneventful..

going2mars on November 17, 2013 at 3:31 AM

“Hullabaloo” – my favorite……never forget seeing James Brown on there for the First Time!

williamg on November 17, 2013 at 3:29 AM

Hullabaloo, Shindig, there were so many. Great music and cute girls dancing their hearts out.

Keep on Dancing

whatcat on November 17, 2013 at 3:34 AM

just got home after 14 hours in a car, and discovered that the bag of cat food that I ordered before I left had arrived as a 30 LB bag of dog food. Gave the cats treats for dinner.
it’s awesome to be home. ///

annoyinglittletwerp on November 17, 2013 at 3:21 AM

Bachman-Turner Overdrive – “Welcome Home”

PS I started typing this before I saw g2m’s post@3:31! :)

Anti-Control on November 17, 2013 at 3:36 AM

it’s awesome to be home. ///
annoyinglittletwerp on November 17, 2013 at 3:21 AM

Kick back and relax. Tomorrow, cook up a big pot of slumgullion, add in the dogfood and invite a bunch of people over for a mystery meat meal.

whatcat on November 17, 2013 at 3:38 AM

Not much dancing – Grateful Dead “Dancing in the streets”

kcewa on November 17, 2013 at 3:41 AM

That was back when the Dead all seemed to actually be playing the same song at the same time. :D

P.J. Soles – Rock ‘N’ Roll High School

whatcat on November 17, 2013 at 3:45 AM

Used to love all those go-go dancim’ music shows as a young lad.
American Bandstand with the sound turned off, ahhh memories.

whatcat on November 17, 2013 at 3:25 AM

lol :)

Have you ever seen any of the Scopitone vids? They are great, and pretty risque for the ’60s.

Donna Theodore – “Femininity”

Anti-Control on November 17, 2013 at 3:50 AM

Have you ever seen any of the Scopitone vids? They are great, and pretty risque for the ’60s.

Donna Theodore – “Femininity”

Anti-Control on November 17, 2013 at 3:50 AM

Yeah, I’ve seen a few Scopitones, but not that one, it’s great.
“But all I get is a pinch on my…..rear”. heh

Eh, well, I gotta run some early errands, so off I go.

whatcat on November 17, 2013 at 3:55 AM

“But all I get is a pinch on my…..rear”.

That should be “ear”. It is past my bedtime, lol.

whatcat on November 17, 2013 at 3:57 AM

Speaking of california… Neil Young – California Sunset

kcewa on November 17, 2013 at 3:31 AM

That was good!

From one of my fave Neil albums:

“L.A.”

Anti-Control on November 17, 2013 at 4:01 AM

Yeah, I’ve seen a few Scopitones, but not that one, it’s great.
“But all I get is a pinch on my…..rear”. heh

Eh, well, I gotta run some early errands, so off I go.

whatcat on November 17, 2013 at 3:55 AM

See ya later.

Jody Miller’s voice is awesome:

“I Walk the Line” on Hollywood a Go Go

This Scopitone vid is just…lol :)

“The Race Is On”

Anti-Control on November 17, 2013 at 4:08 AM

A change of pace June Tabor – Mississippi

kcewa on November 17, 2013 at 4:28 AM

Christmas song (RIP Philip Chevron) – Pogues – “Fairytale of New York”

kcewa on November 17, 2013 at 4:40 AM

So how many seats do the Republicans need to pick up next year in the Senate?

bluegill on November 17, 2013 at 4:47 AM

So how many seats do the Republicans need to pick up next year in the Senate?

bluegill on November 17, 2013 at 4:47 AM

6. Though if you mean conservatives it’s about 45

kcewa on November 17, 2013 at 4:54 AM

Christmas song (RIP Philip Chevron) – Pogues – “Fairytale of New York”

kcewa on November 17, 2013 at 4:40 AM

I saw Shane with The Popes around 2000. He was sh!t-faced (big surprise!) couldn’t really perform, and could barely stand. In fact, he collapsed twice within 10 minutes of the show’s beginning. People were laughing & cheering on the pathetic clown’s behavior. The ridiculousness of it all caused me to leave, the only time I’ve ever left a show because of a circumstance like that – worst. Show. Ever.

Anti-Control on November 17, 2013 at 5:08 AM

I saw Shane with The Popes around 2000. He was sh!t-faced (big surprise!) couldn’t really perform, and could barely stand. In fact, he collapsed twice within 10 minutes of the show’s beginning. People were laughing & cheering on the pathetic clown’s behavior. The ridiculousness of it all caused me to leave, the only time I’ve ever left a show because of a circumstance like that – worst. Show. Ever.

Anti-Control on November 17, 2013 at 5:08 AM

He can be (is?) a parody of himself. And people eat it up – which is sick.

kcewa on November 17, 2013 at 5:31 AM

He can be (is?) a parody of himself. And people eat it up – which is sick.

kcewa on November 17, 2013 at 5:31 AM

True on all accounts.

“sick” is the very word which was on my mind that night. It was sad to see people cheering on his self-destructiveness, and that he so eagerly gave to them what they wanted/expected. It was the only time I’ve ever felt out of place at a show, and I’ve been to hundreds of them…

Anti-Control on November 17, 2013 at 5:44 AM

Ewan MacColl – Dirty Old Town

kcewa on November 17, 2013 at 5:46 AM

Reminds me so much of the Glasgow I knew in the 70′s when I was stationed in Scotland. Socialism and communal hatred. But the people are survivors.

kcewa on November 17, 2013 at 5:50 AM

Offer them full repeal only

The ACA is fundamentally flawed. If left in place it will continue to push the price of health insurance out of range of the middle class. The 2014 premiums are only the beginning.

Full repeal now.

talkingpoints on November 17, 2013 at 6:01 AM

The record for recent second-term presidents is not good

This has little to do with our messiah. He, and his handlers and financiers have broken every political rule their is since his coronation in spite of a highly tainted and stealth history. The left has all come out of their closets and America is under new management now. While we fondle our free lunch and “lust is us” bait, slaughter our offspring and vote robotlike for whatever Political Correctness we are programmed for, the roodf is already starting to crumble.
The big questions now are–how much rejection of all this (if any other than whining)) and at what level may it happen. Then,how much pushback the left is willing to risk to protect their newly purchased paradise.

Don L on November 17, 2013 at 6:07 AM

******Interview with Mike Kreidler, the first insurance regulator********

Sarah Kliff ‏@sarahkliff 16h
My interview with Mike Kreidler, the first insurance regulator to reject Obama’s cancellation fix. http://wapo.st/1bOunhh
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Wash. insurance regulator supports Obamacare — and rejected Obama’s ‘fix.’ Here’s why.

By Sarah Kliff, Published: November 16 at 11:00 am
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Mike Kreidler has served as insurance commissioner in Washington state since 2000. Kreidler, an optometrist by training, also served one term in the House of Representatives and 16 years in the state legislature.

On Thursday, Kreidler was the first insurance commissioner to reject President Obama’s proposal that would give insurers and extra year to sell plans that do not comply with the Affordable Care Act. He said, in a statement, that he was acting “in the interest of keeping the consumer protections we have enacted and ensuring that we keep health insurance costs down for all consumers.”

Kreidler and I spoke Friday morning about his decision, why he thinks it will be difficult for any state to move forward on the Obama proposal and how he learned of the president’s plans. What follows is a transcript of our discussion, lightly edited for clarity and length.

Sarah Kliff: So it sounds like you’ve had a very busy two days now. When did you learn of the president’s proposal?

Mike Kreidler: I went to the gym early, and came back out of the gym when I learned that the president was getting ready to allow individuals to keep their plans in the individual market if they want to. Then I thought I’d better get to the office.

SK: Did you get any warning about the announcement?

MK: The only sense I had, to be honest, was because of the bills that were before Congress. We’d done some discussion about those bills the day before. What I didn’t expect or anticipate was the fact the president would make this announcement.

I knew it was serious, with all the talk in Congress, but I was also probably in denial saying its not going to happen. The reason I was in denial is I’d looked at it practically as an insurance commissioner. How do you implement something after this is already afoot and insurers made all the changes. We’ve been doing everything in our power, working extra hour and burning the midnight oil to get everything set up to implement the ACA here in the state of Washington. We’re getting people signed up and the Web site is working.

SK: Putting aside policy concerns for a moment, did you think it would be logistically possible to allow these plans that were initially barred from the market back in?

MK: If that did happen, they’d have a key interest in wanting to re-rate their products. They’d be trying to do that when people were already signing up. That’s true for any state, red or blue, they’re going to be challenged to implement this without having a significant impact.

It’s too late in the game, certainly for the state of Washington. The health plans themselves have said that, as you’ve heard from AHIP How do you have one set of rules for some plans and another for others? It would have been very challenging.

Health carriers in our state were not excited about prospects of this. And the last thing I wanted to see was the market destabilizing or seeing significant rate increases impacting the number of people signing up for health insurance. All of those things were going to be compromised. It’s brought about a lot of consternation.

I strongly support the Affordable Care Act. I know the president wants it to succeed. And I’m supporting the president by making the Affordable Care Act work in the state of Washington.

SK: How many cancellation notices have Washingtonians received?

MK: There are about 290,000 people in the individual market, and all of them were sent out discontinuation and replacement notices. Those notices we don’t have authority to regulate, but we did ask the carriers if we could see them and in a number of cases made suggested changes to them as they went.

There are people out there who are not happy with the fact they received those notices. Not infrequently the carrier has identified a replacement for them that costs more. What people don’t realize in many cases, and we’ve worked diligently to fix this, is they need to go look at other plans and what other companies are offering to see if there’s a better fit for them.

SK: It only took you a few hours, after the president’s announcement, to issue a statement saying you would not allow the types of renewals he proposed. How’d you move so quickly?

MK: My fear was, with these continued policies, it could have a significant impact on adverse selection, with the sick people getting into the health-care law and the healthy people staying out.

We had spoken to some of the carriers. I’d also been on a national phone call talking about the federal legislation. Right at the time the president announced this, there was an emergency meeting of insurance commissioners. When they called the first meeting, before the president spoke, I was still trying to get back from the gym, since I’m out on the West Coast. It was one of those emails that had big exclamation points in it.

It became pretty crystal clear this was not going to work for us.

SK: How did that become clear to you? Most states are taking a much longer time to make this decision.

MK: I’ve been bumping around health-care issues for a long time. I was a practicing optometrist, I’ve worked at a large HMO and picked up a masters in public health thinking Nixon would do health reform.

I didn’t look at it like rocket science. I moved pretty quick. Part of that was I wanted to make sure that there wasn’t a lot of uncertainty in the state of Washington over the course we’re going to follow. The longer you went, the more it would be unsettling. For people who are going to sign up for health insurance, we wanted to send a very clear message. The longer I took, the more uncertainty there would be.

SK: Have you gotten any push back from consumers? I’m curious if you’ll have people in Washington wondering why other people get to extend their policies in 2014, but they don’t.

MK:I haven’t really followed what other states are doing. I know there are states who are saying, how can you do that, how can you do make that work? I feel their pain, I’m very empathetic. I wish things were different. But if you want this law to work — and I do — then this is what we have to do.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/11/16/washingtons-insurance-regulator-supports-obamacare-and-rejected-obamas-fix-heres-why/

canopfor on November 17, 2013 at 6:58 AM

What was supposed to help the elderly and poor, Medicare and Medicaid, has turned into a system in which the federal government does not pay for what treatment and medications are worth, and when States are asked to kick in cash, they do so but at a drain to their budgets and still not meeting full cost of treatment. Since the two programs were brought on stage the cost of health care has gone up as government cost-shifted what it was unwilling to pay for via the providers who had to up the cost to everyone else.

This was layered on top of a WWII tax-based subsidy to businesses that needed to attract individuals back to work and asked for some ‘help’ from the federal government so that medical ‘insurance’ could be provided to workers. Prior to that time this sort of ‘insurance’ was in the realm of an executive perk for companies. Why? It cost too much on a per individual basis, which is why they needed the tax kickback. Fast forward 60 years and you now having people who equate ‘health insurance’ with simple health care.

The tax kickback was not a high overhead cost, but it did burden the health care system with overhead costs for doing paperwork, filling forms, and physician consultations with insurers. This required more staff that was dedicated to filling forms and ate into physician time with the cost passed on in the form of higher health care costs. This was a modest pre-existing spiral of cost increase, to be sure, but if it was a financially sound thing to do then employers would have been doing it during the 1920′s, at the very least. Yet the way that worker health was addressed by people like Westinghouse, was to have medical facilities built on the grounds of the production plant so that workers could come in to have injuries addressed and even bring their families in for a modest cost. It was cheaper to hire a few doctors and nurses, build them a relatively small facility and address worker health directly than to offer ‘insurance’ or stipends or any other thing.

Interference in the health care market via tax write-offs and the M&Ms started to put added regulatory burden on charitable hospitals and clinics. Before the write-offs doctors would run a small practice and address patients individually and structure their pricing so that it was affordable for the patient and yet brought some money to the doctor: payments for serious medical conditions and surgery could be spread out over months or years. With the advent of federal ‘help’ and insurance companies running a current accounts bottom line, that went away. With that and increased overhead, physician pro bono work to the poor and sick in urban environments and poor communities also started to disappear.

Now the very problems caused by federal ‘help’ are the poor and elderly being unable to afford health care, those with chronic conditions being unable to afford health care and the answer even on the right is to ‘fix’ the system via more federal intervention, more subsidies, more dictating to insurance companies what they must do… and less federalism. Centralized systems have a problem at the Nation State level: they suck at dealing with purely local problems. Ask the USSR about that. Or modern China with its pollution problems and endangered agricultural sector where enforcement of unsound farming practices now sees topsoil blown over major cities with the winds.

If we want less of government at all levels this means actually not having the largest government dictate ‘solutions’ that don’t work. Similarly if a part of the economy is not given to the federal government to control and it has done a poor job in its ‘help’ then the answer is not more of the same, but to encourage States to address the problems. Want transportable health insurance across State lines? Ask the States to work on that and invite the federal government to chair a board of appointees meant to work out that very problem and, when a solution is reached, it can be presented as a system from the States, under State control and without federal implementation but with federal OK. So long as the prime powers handed to the federal government are not infringed, then the States can and should work together to form a more perfect Union.

With pre-existing conditions the problem is in putting a straight jacket of the concept of ‘insurance’ on such risk pools. Yet, as risk pools, they have identifiable demographics, identifiable risks, identifiable treatments that need to be done and identifiable medications sold to treat those conditions. Why is this a fit for ‘insurance’? Is it not begging for customized plans to address such risk pools and see cooperation amongst those running the plans and those providing care and medications? If the pre-existing conditions set is a problem then it does not require a federal solution, but one done from the ground-up by those WITH THE CONDITIONS and THOSE WHO TREAT THEM working out an agreement for making sure that those who sign on to plans will get treatment and medication at a relatively low cost. They represent an identifiable market, an identifiable pool of individuals and, in aggregate, they have a set amount of cost to them based on their pre-existing conditions which can be spread over the entire pool so that no single member need worry about the cost of a major treatment or surgery based on their condition bankrupting them. This need not be run on an ‘insurance’ model but as a pool model where those providing treatment and medications get an assured amount of income per month from the pool regardless of how many are treated and those in the pool pay only a minor cost for visits, treatments and medications.

If we wish transportability of care, then why not let those who can afford to purchase care as a ticket item in a group of hospitals or care providers to have a transportable ticket to another care provision system? This is an investment model for health care and provision that isn’t insurance but is a self-paid voucher system done privately to ensure that future care can be had by paying into a care provisioning system early, before actual care or treatment is necessary. If you start paying in your 20′s or early 30′s for a heart procedure because your family has the genetics that tend towards that, how long does it take to get an amount invested with a system to then get a future treatment voucher that matures at a set time and is not revocable? This would lay the foundations for those willing to invest in their future health today, to get maturing vouchers that could be hastened by added input, and then has a set value that matures to the full value of treatment. If you find you don’t need it or otherwise have a voucher, then it can be traded. And if you can trade within one system, then the natural change is to trade amongst systems.

Health insurance as done today is not insurance by trying to provide health care via a model that does not work. That was why it was not offered to the labor force prior to WWII: it does not work and is not fiscally viable in the long run. We are at the end of that period of running to attempt to make it work and it is failing us. We no longer have a strong charitable system to care for the poor locally. We no longer have a defense in-depth against a new Spanish Flu or pneumonic plague: we have killed those system off in attempting to help the poor and elderly via government and forcing ‘insurance’ systems and their regulations on the very facilities that provide a strong response to sudden mass outbreaks of diseases. That is all on the heads of the US federal government and its attempt to ‘help’ its citizens by robbing Peter to pay Paul and taking a 45% cut along the way plus burdening both Peter and Paul beyond that to deal with the regulations that come with the ‘help’.

Repeal Obamacare?

Yup.

And keep right on repealing. There is no baby in this bathwater: it crawled out of this cesspit ages ago and we are left searching for the baby in the cesspool we have created.

ajacksonian on November 17, 2013 at 7:36 AM

….the thing that is ALWAYS true with The Chinese – and they Tell you up front:

When EVER they purchase something from you (particularly when it’s nearly 30 Billion dollars of “something”) – they TELL you upfront that part of their purchase contract will include you doing what they call a “Technology Transfer” – which means you will tell THEM how to create the Technology you’re selling them…..

If you are smart – you craft your contract to take that into account in the price, and make sure that you “phase” their ability to “make it themselves” during manufacture……example: you are responsible for the design and manufacture of the first X units……

Also – they are not Stupid and, even though they are good at “copying” and “reverse engineering”, they ALWAYS want you involved in the design, manufacture and delivery of subsequent units…..they Know what they Don’t Know……and they like to “share” liability…….

You have to “teach” them how to cook “quality” into their processes at times……so far, it has worked well for us………they will build whatever they building “with” or “without” you – and it’s much better if it is “with” you – and they KNOW that…

williamg on November 17, 2013 at 2:21 AM

Fortunately the chicoms are so cost conscious they always manage to self-destruct at least in my industry.
We have an American fishing reel mfg. who took his line of fishing reels to china to be built.
Problem is they automatically started cutting costs and inadverdently quality as well. Since they have few if any who actually fish and actually have any product knowledge over there in Chicomland they managed to self destruct some of these reels simply by saving $.05 cents. They changed the standards on a simple metal pin using an inferior metal and the result was failure set in.
Now the reel series is headed in a downward spiral, all for five cents.
Fortunately for me they do the same thing with fishing rods.

rodguy911 on November 17, 2013 at 8:12 AM

Blessed Sabbath, Patriots!

At the same time, however, they [Russia] must be made to understand we will never compromise our principles and standards. We will never give away our freedom.

– Ronald Reagan
My take: Russian Spy Towers in America? This is “Smart Power”?

kingsjester on November 17, 2013 at 10:27 AM

I never understood what people saw in Debbie Harry either.

cozmo on November 16, 2013 at 10:04 PM

Ah, better late than never. My youngest sister was a cute, little hellion growing up. She used to sneak into concerts, underage, and always ended up in the front row. She saw Blondie in one of their first tours. She said, her words exactly, Debbie Harry looks like a ‘housewife’ close-up.

Now my sister was 14 or 15 at the time, so take it with a grain of salt, but I always think of that when her name comes up.

Fallon on November 17, 2013 at 11:42 AM

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