Perfect. Seattle elects a socialist to city council

posted at 2:31 pm on November 16, 2013 by Jazz Shaw

I suppose it’s time to party like it’s 1969. Or something.

Seattle voters have elected a socialist to city council for the first time in modern history.

Kshama Sawant’s lead continued to grow on Friday, prompting 16-year incumbent Richard Conlin to concede.

Even in this liberal city, Sawant’s win has surprised many here. Conlin was backed by the city’s political establishment. On election night, she trailed by four percentage points. She wasn’t a veteran politician, having only run in one previous campaign.

But in the days following election night, Sawant’s share of the votes outgrew Conlin’s.

“I don’t think socialism makes most people in Seattle afraid,” Conlin said Friday.

Well, that’s just fabulous. So where did this new, rising political star of Seattle politics come from? The bio shows that she first rose to prominence as part of the Occupy movement. (Natch.) And she ran a campaign based on plans. Boy howdy does she have some plans.

This year, though, she pushed a platform that resonated with the city. She backed efforts to raise the minimum wage to $15; called for rent control in the city where rental prices keep climbing; and supports a tax on millionaires to help fund a public transit system and other services.

Here’s the unedited Seattle King5 interview with the newest elected official.

So, with all that in mind, perhaps we should ask Boeing if they really, really want to work all that hard to keep their plant in Washington for the 777X?


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So YOUR “solution” is some mythical National Divorce, right? Like that’s going to happen or that the bloodshed and tumult of the attmept is going to make everything better?

JFKY on November 16, 2013 at 8:54 PM

No, I think most of us here are going to die prematurely because of it, and it’s not a solution. It’s simply a chain of events that is now unavoidable.

DFCtomm on November 16, 2013 at 9:00 PM

DFCtomm & Primordial just don’t like the fact that they, in elections, lost and don’t want to go to the bother of winning them…so they retreat to fantasy land. Nor do they like the fact that it takes years to effect long-term change, so they want a divorce to allow a reset that obviates the necessity of all the hard work of actually putting together a coalition and pushing for change…instead they have this little idea of a Divorce that is going to, magically, put all things aright. In short, you two don’t really believe in democracy, you are like Leftists, you agree with democracy when the voters vote the way YOU like and if they don’t well they are just doodie heads and we need to leave them behind….

JFKY on November 16, 2013 at 9:01 PM

I recall Milton Friedman saying that for much of recent history societies were organized based on the dominant philosophy of the British Empire at the time. His examples were the pro-market policies after the Meiji Revolution in Japan in the 1860s, and the anti-market policies in India after their independence from Great Britain.

And of course, now our country is following Great Britain on the Road to Serfdom, so its coming full circle!

blockchords on November 16, 2013 at 9:02 PM

She backed efforts to raise the minimum wage to $15; called for rent control in the city where rental prices keep climbing;

Minimum wage and rent control laws have done terrible damage to lower income families. This is well documented.

People that still believe in minimuim wage and rent control laws need to pick up a copy of Basic Economics, ASAP.

Exit quote from Milton Friedman:

”The effects of the minimum wage have been concentrated on the groups that the do-gooders would most like to help. The people who have been hurt most by the minimum wage laws are the blacks. I have often said that the most anti-black law on the books of this land is the minimum wage law.”

visions on November 16, 2013 at 9:02 PM

No, I think most of us here are going to die prematurely because of it, and it’s not a solution. It’s simply a chain of events that is now unavoidable.

DFCtomm on November 16, 2013 at 9:00 PM

Yeah you are a P&ssy…you’ve given up and want to ride the H3ll Winds of Nihilism…rather than go to the bother of actually trying to win an election…you know all the stuff the Left did from 1968 until now….
You just want the “Revolution” or Death…thanks “Chuck” Manson…the rest of us will just try to soldier on within the framework of a democracy….

JFKY on November 16, 2013 at 9:04 PM

Well off to pass out from about 50% of a bottle of vodka, happy knowing that the Tru-Conz are unhappy at being laughed at…and that Seattle is well and truly getting the government it so richly deserves.

JFKY on November 16, 2013 at 9:06 PM

the rest of us will just try to soldier on within the framework of a democracy….

JFKY on November 16, 2013 at 9:04 PM

Knock yourself out. America was built as a Constitutional Republic, NOT a democracy. It’s no surprise that you don’t understand the difference. Ignorance is bliss, huh?

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on November 16, 2013 at 9:08 PM

Well off to pass out from about 50% of a bottle of vodka, happy knowing that the Tru-Conz are unhappy at being laughed at…and that Seattle is well and truly getting the government it so richly deserves.

JFKY on November 16, 2013 at 9:06 PM

What was that about trying to work within the system and change minds? Lobbing a few bombs then running into the bottle doesn’t “change things”

Skywise on November 16, 2013 at 9:08 PM

Yeah you are a P&ssy…you’ve given up and want to ride the H3ll Winds of Nihilism…rather than go to the bother of actually trying to win an election…

JFKY on November 16, 2013 at 9:04 PM

This is how I know it’s unavoidable. People like you just don’t get it. You don’t even understand what happened. You think it’s about elections, and it’s not. You talk about fighting but you can’t even find the battlefield. This is why the left has been able to do what it’s done. It’s about culture. You change the culture and you don’t have to really worry about elections. They just naturally take care of themselves.

DFCtomm on November 16, 2013 at 9:09 PM

You change the culture and you don’t have to really worry about elections. They just naturally take care of themselves.

DFCtomm on November 16, 2013 at 9:09 PM

Just how does one go about doing that when no one wants to listen to the parents?

98ZJUSMC on November 16, 2013 at 10:00 PM

I recall Milton Friedman saying that for much of recent history societies were organized based on the dominant philosophy of the British Empire at the time. His examples were the pro-market policies after the Meiji Revolution in Japan in the 1860s, and the anti-market policies in India after their independence from Great Britain.

And of course, now our country is following Great Britain on the Road to Serfdom, so its coming full circle!

blockchords on November 16, 2013 at 9:02 PM

Interesting. Britain started it’s swan dive just when we were perfectly positioned to rule a destroyed world industrial base and subsidize an entire continents’ plunge into Socialism.

This becomes a lot easier when others are underwriting your National Defense.

98ZJUSMC on November 16, 2013 at 10:07 PM

This year, though, she pushed a platform that resonated with the city. She backed efforts to raise the minimum wage to $15; called for rent control in the city where rental prices keep climbing; and supports a tax on millionaires to help fund a public transit system and other services.

Playing to stupid is easy. What say you, France?

98ZJUSMC on November 16, 2013 at 10:09 PM

About the only thing now that’s protecting America from the dull effects of socialism is that the current crop of socialists is incompetent.

David Blue on November 16, 2013 at 10:20 PM

I meant “full”. But socialism is dull too. It has all the latest ideas from the 1800s and the Russian Revolution. If it wasn’t a con that’s actually about taking power from some and giving it to others there’d be no reason to be interested in it.

David Blue on November 16, 2013 at 10:23 PM

Why don’t Socialists ever propose ideas that haven’t already been proven to be failures?

Socratease on November 16, 2013 at 10:38 PM

About the only thing now that’s protecting America from the dull effects of socialism is that the current crop of socialists is incompetent.

David Blue on November 16, 2013 at 10:20 PM

I don’t know if it’s incompetence, or the natural state of the EUtopia they are trying to achieve. I would like to think they’re that stupid, but I don’t believe they are. I think this is just the organic result. They try for X, but since that’s impossible they end up with Y, and Y sucks.

DFCtomm on November 16, 2013 at 10:40 PM

Never enough money to pay the workers. Always enough money to buy a garage with an elevator.

urban elitist on November 16, 2013 at 7:12 PM

Workers get what they are worth.
I can always find an uneducated boob to dig ditches or pound nails, been doing it all my life. They are always free to turn it down and look for better. None I know have ever done so.
Want higher wages, work for them.

By the way, the city of Seattle owns quite a few parking garages with elevators.
Shall they sell them?

Bubba Redneck on November 16, 2013 at 10:52 PM

Washington state has a ~$9/hr min. wage now.

So two min. wage workers in the Seattle city limits cost min. $18/hr.
So at $15/hr fire one and tell the other he’ll go too and you’ll rehire the other slob if he doesn’t produce and you actually save $3/hr.

Any back talk and a phone call is made to INS.

Why don’t Socialists ever propose ideas that haven’t already been proven to be failures?

Socratease on November 16, 2013 at 10:38 PM

Remember the definition of insanity and that liberalism is a mental disorder . . .

Bubba Redneck on November 16, 2013 at 10:59 PM

Correction

George (Soros) made his money as honestly as Romney did (or vice versa) — for whatever that’s worth. To his credit, though, he apparently understands that what there are people in the world who might also be decent and hard working, but are still poor, and he does not treat them with contempt.

urban effetist on November 16, 2013 at 6:29 PM

Did you know that Soros bought $61 million worth of Halliburton a few years ago? No wonder you Cultists dropped them like a hot potato and made the Koch Brothers your new Imaginary Villains.

Del Dolemonte on November 16, 2013 at 7:08 PM

Del Dolemonte on November 16, 2013 at 11:13 PM

Never enough money to pay the workers. Always enough money to buy a garage with an elevator.
 
urban elitist on November 16, 2013 at 7:12 PM

 
Tell us again why you’re worried about what adults do in the privacy of their own homes.

rogerb on November 16, 2013 at 11:13 PM

Cheers. Off to dinner with J. Peterman.

Hope his mother doesn’t decide to kick the bucket, as the traffic on the Van Wyck is intolerable at this time of year.

urban effetist on November 16, 2013 at 7:55 PM

Del Dolemonte on November 16, 2013 at 11:22 PM

The natural state of the EUtopia they are trying to achieve is harmful, but I also think the current crop of socialists is prone to doing a needlessly bad job. Obamacare is a fiasco, and nor because this is the best a government takeover could have been.

I don’t think they’re that, but I think they are lazy. If you are in with the right gang, it’s gotten very easy to advance academically and career-wise without doing any fundamental thinking. In fact it’s safer not to think.

We’re seeing a political effect like the effect on art of saying, it’s all about the rationale of the painting, that is the politics. In time you get artists who can’t draw. Their “artistic” skill is in being on the correct side politically.

David Blue on November 16, 2013 at 11:43 PM

I think non-white mass immigration is part of it too. In Mexico, both major political parties are part of the Socialist International. So you get a choice of socialism, or socialism. And for many parts of the world this is normal.

What happens if you import seventy million non-whites, and they vote, and produce children at a greater rate than whites? Politics moves to the left, it becomes more about laws and practices favoring non-whites over whites, and it becomes more third world.

It’s a more racial, straightforward “gimme that” kind of politics, with less emphasis on how good you are at public administration and more emphasis on identity politics. And that is what is happening.

David Blue on November 16, 2013 at 11:50 PM

I hope that Seattle gets the reward it so justly deserves. Washington state and Oregon are where all the California Dems moved to after they ruined that state. This reminds me of the aliens in Independence Day. They take over an area, destroy it and then move on to the next area. Good luck with that Seattle.

neyney on November 16, 2013 at 11:53 PM

What the heck.
I might as well turn Liberal.

No, that’s a typo. I’m a L.I.B.eral.

Let It Burn.

LegendHasIt on November 17, 2013 at 12:04 AM

What was that about trying to work within the system and change minds? Lobbing a few bombs then running into the bottle doesn’t “change things”

Skywise on November 16, 2013 at 9:08 PM

Back from the black-out…yes Skywise I took a couple of chuckleheads to task that feel the problem is all the Brown Folk a’coming here and then laughed at their silly idea of a National Divorce…didn’t just chuck some bombs…
And in case you haven’t noticed,
1) It’s NOT an election year; and
2) This is a comment board, not a ballot place, so I don’t think I or folks like me need to be here 24X7, having lives, even if they do involve age-inappropriate partners and/or 360 ml of Vodka.

So having, some sense, of proportion I don’t overestimate my value and neither do I over estimate the importance of HotAir….I will drink (Large) Martini’s, chase age inappropriate partners, contribute to political campaigns, vote, and try to convince a few folks that the answer isn’t worrying about Brown People, but trying to spread the ideas of the Enlightenment to those Brown People, also to try and stop the spread of the nihilistic and foolish belief that we need a National Divorce rather than fighting and winning elections….

Let me say again, Seattle is about to get the government it deserves, IF Kshawma Sawant’s views prevail…were I a home-owner I’d be thinking about bailing, but that’s me….Nationally, there is no divorce possible, as Reagan says if Freedom fails here there is no other place to run to, but sub-nationally, you can always leave CA, WA, OR and move to SC, or TX or TN (G*d help you if you choose the last).

JFKY on November 17, 2013 at 7:47 AM

This thread stinks of metro-sexual.

Bmore on November 17, 2013 at 8:08 AM

Seattle elects a socialist to city council

That is, they elected a socialist who admits to being a socialist.

There are many socialists in the US government. They call themselves Democrats and refuse to admit they are socialists. They are pinkos. They rarely have much good to say about free markets, free enterprise, and capitalism other than paying obligatory lip service, mostly during election year campaigning. The rest of the time they attack it, undermine it, promote more centralized planning and control of the economy, promote more wealth confiscation and redistribution schemes, and treat the privately owned wealth of the nation is if it is collectively owned.

Comrade O is one of them. Elizabeth Warren and Princess Nancy are others. They have many fellow travelers in their ranks. Dems that are not stealth socialists are useful (bleeding heart well meaning) idiots. The Dems who did not fit in these categories have either been purged from the party and/or have left public office and public life. The few that are left, if any, have been threatened and cowed into silence.

The US Dem party has increasingly become since FDR’s time a party of left-wing socialist extremists. The have become more extreme over the years. Which is why they are always calling Republicans extremists and have been doing it for about 60 years. They are doing it to distract attention from and examination of their own extremism. They seek to create the impression that their brand of socialism is mainstream. Their supporters in the media, who comprise about 90% of the MSM, aid and abet their efforts.

farsighted on November 17, 2013 at 8:32 AM

Another ignorant rabble-rowser gets elected in a liberal city – put that way, it’s not news, is it?

virgo on November 17, 2013 at 8:57 AM

One must wonder what kind of fools are voting for these un-American types of candidates who are pushing European-style central planning i.e. Socialism. Are people crazy?

Rogervzv on November 17, 2013 at 10:06 AM

To be fair to Seattle, when things are going good you think the good times will continue on indefinitely, so you begin to think about the aesthetics of the situation….it is a very human reaction. This lot thinks that Being/Microsoft will ALWAYS be there and that Bill and Melinda Gates and their ilk will ALWAYS be there, after all why would anyone ever LEAVE the SEATAC area, it’s so kewllll? And given that, that the money will always be here, let’s splurge a little, albeit with someone else’s money….

I know, Detroit, and California OUGHT to be a warning, but apparently it’s not…THIS time, it will be different….usually it’s not, but it’s what we tell ourselves.

JFKY on November 17, 2013 at 10:27 AM

Man we have a lot of people who would like to dabble in socialism. It’s going to be interesting watching this play out.

mmcnamer1 on November 17, 2013 at 10:39 AM

In related news, the Washington Redskins is dropping “Washington” from it name because it’s embarrassing.

Paul_in_NJ on November 17, 2013 at 11:01 AM

you two don’t really believe in democracy,

JFKY on November 16, 2013 at 9:01 PM

Most of our founding fathers weren’t such cheerleaders for democracy, either. It’s why they gave us a republic. As to the Divorce? The point is that after a certain tipping point, you can’t win elections anymore on conservative principles. There’s too much “free” stuff being used to buy votes. So, no, you can’t gradually walk it back and begin winning elections again. It’s not about short-circuiting that process, it’s about cutting off the deadwood so the tree can survive.

GWB on November 17, 2013 at 12:05 PM

, and try to convince a few folks that the answer isn’t worrying about Brown People, but trying to spread the ideas of the Enlightenment to those Brown People, also to try and stop the spread of the nihilistic and foolish belief that we need a National Divorce rather than fighting and winning elections….

JFKY on November 17, 2013 at 7:47 AM

Ha. That’s gotta be the most cognitive disconnected comment on this thread.

Rube, it’s precisely BECAUSE of Enlightenment ideas that we’ve arrived at this mess.

Where do you think Socialism, the idea that all men can live peaceably together in a manufactured utopia springs from? The Bible?

Cleombrotus on November 17, 2013 at 12:06 PM

Good. Let them reap the consequences while cities throughout the rest of the nation benefit as jobs move from Seattle. Seattle will become the West coast version of Detroit in no time and they’ll deserve it.

Yakko77 on November 17, 2013 at 12:49 PM

Gee Cleombrotus sorry but the Enlightenment didn’t give us Socialism, please peruse Locke or Mill or Smith and point out where they support such….

BUT, if you’d rather adopt a Non_Enlightenment System, let me know which one you like, aristocracy? Oligarchy? Tyranny? Monarchy?

Didn’t think so….

JFKY on November 17, 2013 at 1:26 PM

GWB on November 17, 2013 at 12:05 PM

You’re a Knucklehead….

Tell me when we get this Divorce are YOU going to pick up your per capita share of the debt? What about Social Security and Medicare? You and your parents paid into it, so you going to give it up? The integrated economy, how’s that going to work again? Your job depends on a supply chain that stretches into Divorce Land I bet….

And then what about Austin, or No Cal? No. Cal is rather “red” but I guess it has to join Divorce Land, but what about Austin, it’s really Blue, do they get to stay in the Good Ole Constitutional Republic?

JFKY on November 17, 2013 at 1:30 PM

This National Divorce is just a fantasy that TruConz who’ve given up on the electoral system adopt…

You can’t win an ELECTION, but, of course, the nation will let you go….I see….of that’s right you’ve got the guns…next you’ll be telling me how you are worth 10 Yankees or some such.

The National Divorce is the Conservative version of the Weather Underground….which failed MISERABLY to launch the R3volution/Fundamentally Transform America…INSTEAD, folkz like T. Kennedy and T. Hayden did so WITHIN the system…..

So TruConz continue with the Pipe Dream of leaving the “deadwood” behind….the rest of us will try to win some elections and start our own Long March Thru the Institutions of Society.

JFKY on November 17, 2013 at 1:35 PM

Just how does one go about doing that when no one wants to listen to the parents?

98ZJUSMC on November 16, 2013 at 10:00 PM

I’m sorry I missed your question earlier, but I’m not sure how to answer it either. I don’t think anybody on our side is, since we aren’t doing anything to fix it. I heard Ron Paul state that we needed to home school 25% of the kids in the country, and that’s about the only concrete step I’ve heard on our side. I would suggest that we fight for the culture in their natural battle grounds, the theaters, schools, churches, and grocery store lines.

We need to restore a sense of shame, and that means making people feel uncomfortable. I realize that many won’t like that suggestion, they think shaming isn’t in fashion anymore, but it is. People with conservative ideas are shamed on a daily basic. The left uses these old social tools against often, but then punishes you as old and foolish if you use them. I realize those are abstracts with little real world application, but that’s all I got.

DFCtomm on November 17, 2013 at 1:45 PM

This National Divorce is just a fantasy that TruConz who’ve given up on the electoral system adopt…

You can’t win an ELECTION, but, of course, the nation will let you go….I see….of that’s right you’ve got the guns…next you’ll be telling me how you are worth 10 Yankees or some such.

The National Divorce is the Conservative version of the Weather Underground….which failed MISERABLY to launch the R3volution/Fundamentally Transform America…INSTEAD, folkz like T. Kennedy and T. Hayden did so WITHIN the system…..

So TruConz continue with the Pipe Dream of leaving the “deadwood” behind….the rest of us will try to win some elections and start our own Long March Thru the Institutions of Society.

JFKY on November 17, 2013 at 1:35 PM

Nobody is planning a revolution. Most of us believe the government is slowly going to become more and more ineffective, until ::POP:: there is no governance at all. The Army won’t be able to put helicopters in the air without them crashing in the desert Iran hostage rescue style. This article prediction the end of debt spending having any effect on GDP. The government gummed up with bureaucracy will simply grind to a halt. There won’t be any great revolution comrade. Jesus, you’re thick.

DFCtomm on November 17, 2013 at 1:55 PM

Why is this newsworthy given we have a 2-term socialist president?

MT on November 17, 2013 at 2:14 PM

JFKY on November 17, 2013 at 1:30 PM

And I’m the knucklehead? Nice to meet you, Mr Pot.
*shaking head*

GWB on November 17, 2013 at 2:15 PM

Nobody is planning a revolution. Most of us believe the government is slowly going to become more and more ineffective, until ::POP:: there is no governance at all. The Army won’t be able to put helicopters in the air without them crashing in the desert Iran hostage rescue style. This article prediction the end of debt spending having any effect on GDP. The government gummed up with bureaucracy will simply grind to a halt. There won’t be any great revolution comrade. Jesus, you’re thick.

DFCtomm on November 17, 2013 at 1:55 PM

Way late to this… but I agree..

It’s NEVER been that any of us want, or hope for such a disaster.. Just that it may well be coming by the sheer weight of the dem party’s incompetence, and ham fisted attempts to suppress the opposition..

If you asked me if I want a revolution, the answer is Hell no.. what I want is for the left half to return to sanity.. But when they have so screwed the pooch we end up like Greece, with socialists like that crazy lady rioting in the streets when Food Stamps get cut 1%.. because there simply is no money left to spend.. when they will threaten murder in the streets over the continuation of a national welfare state..

It won’t be us who’re burning down buildings..

I can’t think of anyone who wants or plans this… just people who can see the potential for it on the horizon..

a huge difference..

I’m sure there were people in 1774 running around insulting the founders for preparing for what they saw coming.. just as sneering, so certain only the crazies could even think about defying the King… because our petition were so going to change his mind… MUST work within the system…

and it fell apart anyway..

I really pray we don’t go this route, but to think it’s impossible is to ignore how huge the chasm is between the hard left and the rest of us..

Maybe now that Obama’s public image is shattered..

The democrat mainstream will pull back from the insane.. when they recoil in horror at what the ACA is doing,.. if even a significant fraction of the dem middle class stops sending the craziest to DC,.. all this may fade away like a bad dream..

But simply insulting those who see a potential split is mindless and childish..

mark81150 on November 17, 2013 at 2:33 PM

Why is this newsworthy given we have a 2-term socialist president?

MT on November 17, 2013 at 2:14 PM

Well, considering Bernie Sanders has been in Congress for years.. this ain’t such a shock.. these deep blue enclaves have never been all that responsible or reasonable..

Detroit is just their most recent debacle..

mark81150 on November 17, 2013 at 2:37 PM

I am not surprised.
The Fremont neighborhood of Seattle has a statue of Lenin.
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/99107659@N00/266410573/in/photolist-pxqzK-k6Szc

diogenes on November 16, 2013 at 4:00 PM

Meanwhile recently seen in ‘Red’ China…

DarkCurrent on November 17, 2013 at 2:52 PM

Nobody is planning a revolution. Most of us believe the government is slowly going to become more and more ineffective, until ::POP:: there is no governance at all.

Oh yeah, that’s going to happen…*POP* No governance….So you are just hoping for a collapse…that’s even more silly than hoping for a Divorce…

JFKY on November 17, 2013 at 3:02 PM

Oh yeah, that’s going to happen…*POP* No governance….So you are just hoping for a collapse…that’s even more silly than hoping for a Divorce…

JFKY on November 17, 2013 at 3:02 PM

I’m done with this circular argument. Enjoy your normalcy bias.

DFCtomm on November 17, 2013 at 3:11 PM

DarkCurrent on November 17, 2013 at 2:52 PM
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Ironic indeed.
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I always had the feeling something was “off” about Seattle.
A found this article which describes the place it to a “T”.
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http://seattletimes.com/pacificnw/2005/0213/cover.html

diogenes on November 17, 2013 at 3:19 PM

Gee Cleombrotus sorry but the Enlightenment didn’t give us Socialism, please peruse Locke or Mill or Smith and point out where they support such….

BUT, if you’d rather adopt a Non_Enlightenment System, let me know which one you like, aristocracy? Oligarchy? Tyranny? Monarchy?

Didn’t think so….

JFKY on November 17, 2013 at 1:26 PM

Sorry, Dude, but the architects of Enlightenment thinking were not believers like Locke and Smith but atheists such as Voltaire, Rousseau, Hegel, and Kant.

The Enlightenment was always understood to be an alternative to the Biblical perspective as a model for building a just society. It was based on the assumption that man, using his UNAIDED reason, that is, unaided by REVELATION, could figure out his own way to govern himself. Without having to refer to a Creator for guidance. It gave us Nietzsche and Marx.

My model of a system for man’s governance? One in which the populace is a moral and virtuous collection of individuals, freely associating with one another and respecting the individual’s sovereignty within a specific moral context.

Laws, customs, and mores would be such which encouraged virtue and those social institutions that promoted the establishment and continuance of behaviors that enhanced the best character traits in the citizen, such as marriage, fidelity IN marriage, the proper disciplining and training of the young, and responsible citizenship all the while maintaining the respect for the sovereignty of the individual. The principle role of government would be to protect the rights of the individual within that particular context as designated by the people themselves and not by a political class.

You know, kind of what we had prior to 1969.

Cleombrotus on November 17, 2013 at 3:24 PM

Rather an honest socialist than those crypto-fascistic Leftists that crowd the political scene.

An honest socialist I can handle.

The slime on the Left that has no ideology but a nihilistic eschatology, them I cannot stand.

ajacksonian on November 17, 2013 at 3:28 PM

Perfect. Seattle elects a socialist to city council

As the country continues to deteriorate, folks are going look to these types to solve their problems. Though I disagree 100% that these Commies are any type of real fix, the “system” is indeed crumbling and not all because of Obama and his kind-there is a Fascist element in the top echelons of many major industries and banking concerns as well.

Dr. ZhivBlago on November 17, 2013 at 4:12 PM

An astounding number of young people believe in socialism and think capitalism is evil. This is the first generation brought up in the progs’ K-12 system.

slickwillie2001 on November 16, 2013 at 2:46 PM

I’d say more like the fourth generation.

Pretending all this has happened overnight is just hogwash. We must take responsibility for our part in it all, mostly for letting it happen.

Dr. ZhivBlago on November 17, 2013 at 4:49 PM

So YOUR “solution” is some mythical National Divorce, right? Like that’s going to happen or that the bloodshed and tumult of the attmept is going to make everything better?

JFKY on November 16, 2013 at 8:54 PM

This nation was born as a result of a national divorce… in case you slept through history class.

Chaz706 on November 17, 2013 at 5:13 PM

“I don’t think socialism makes most people in Seattle afraid,” Conlin said Friday.

Maybe not, but it will make them pissed when the city joins Detroit in the sinkhole.

Old eagle on November 17, 2013 at 5:40 PM

It’s almost like the warning that ‘Russia will spread her errors’ is coming to pass. Imagine that.

pannw on November 17, 2013 at 6:54 PM

It’s almost like the warning that ‘Russia will spread her errors’ is coming to pass. Imagine that.

pannw on November 17, 2013 at 6:54 PM

I think that is more of a reference to Atheism and immorality in general and yes socialism.

That being said, socialism came from Germany.

Gatekeeper on November 17, 2013 at 7:40 PM

That being said, socialism came from Germany.

Gatekeeper on November 17, 2013 at 7:40 PM

Just a different side of the same evil coin.

pannw on November 17, 2013 at 9:27 PM

Damn you people are dumb. Boeing’s corporate HQ is in Chicago. Boeings Washington factories are in Renton and Everett. The City of Seattle has no jurisdiction over them. Microsoft is in Redmond and Bellvue.

Washington is not at all like your typical Northeast democrat craphole so many of you come from, nor is it like California. Seattle having a socialist (not even the major, either, just some councildouche) is about as big of news as a crook being elected in Chicago, Detroit, or New Jersey. Not a big f’in deal. Stop the presses. This dumb socialist will act like an idiot and disappear from everybodys memory after a few years. Seattleites will humor her that far, but thats it. If she was in the Northeast, California, Florida, or the Midwest, she would be catapulted into federal politics and enjoy a lifetime of screwing people as a leading light of the democrat party. Like Warren, DWS, Pelosi, Hillary, etc. Ugh.

Daikokuco on November 17, 2013 at 10:28 PM

All you bullies telling the socialists to take an Economics class need to cut it out, now.

Economics involves math and everyone knows math is hard. So stop.

Mean people suck.

Why don’t Socialists ever propose ideas that haven’t already been proven to be failures?

Socratease on November 16, 2013 at 10:38 PM

Well, they would – if they had any.

Adjoran on November 17, 2013 at 11:00 PM

We see thousands of Washingtonians spend winters in my town in Arizona.
I expect to see far more of them become permanent residents, now.

Thanks for all the new real estate sales and commercial revenue, Mayor Trotsky.
Enjoy your Great Leap Forward, Seattle.
Saps.

orangemtl on November 17, 2013 at 11:19 PM

Cafe Pervosa……

viking01 on November 17, 2013 at 11:37 PM

Daikokuco on November 17, 2013 at 10:28 PM

Exactly. All of these snide commenters don’t know what they are talking about. Seattle has a relatively small effect on the rest of the state. Boeing’s plants are in Renton and Everett, and Microsoft is in Redmond. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Starbucks and Amazon move out of Seattle and to a better suburb in relatively short order, however.

We see thousands of Washingtonians spend winters in my town in Arizona. –orangemtl on November 17, 2013 at 11:19 PM

Yeah, and that doesn’t have anything to do with economics. It’s called the weather, genius. My neighbors, who live 60 miles outside of Seattle, winter in Arizona every year. My other neighbors spend half the year in New Orleans. They are residents of Washington because we have no income taxes and in the summer there’s no better place to live.

HTL on November 17, 2013 at 11:49 PM

I couldn’t make it through the vapid smile while petting her stupid dog.

Just couldn’t.

Grace_is_sufficient on November 18, 2013 at 5:52 AM

Well, let’s look at the bright side of all of this. If she gets her way, there will be a mass exit out of Seattle and rent prices will plummet because most of us understand supply and demand.

For you socialists who do not understand supply and demand – there will be more rental property than people to rent and prices will drop due to competition. Then there’s that tax thing….less people owning property…less revenue for Seattle (ever hear of the city called Detroit?). Yup, you’re on your way to being another ‘Detroit’.

Man, do I love living in Florida.

Cherokee on November 18, 2013 at 8:19 AM

Btw, in case some of you don’t get it…I was being sarcastic when I mentioned in my previous post “the bright side of all of this”.

Cherokee on November 18, 2013 at 8:21 AM

Perfect. Seattle elects a socialist to city council

Huh. I’m actually more surprised that it took them so long.

Physics Geek on November 18, 2013 at 8:51 AM

The Karl Marx ran aground and broke up just offshore. This kind of flotsam will be washing up for years.

Akzed on November 18, 2013 at 9:02 AM

how long is this thread gonna be given top billing?

gracie on November 18, 2013 at 9:03 AM

This dumb socialist will act like an idiot and disappear from everybodys memory after a few years. Seattleites will humor her that far, but thats it. If she was in the Northeast, California, Florida, or the Midwest, she would be catapulted into federal politics and enjoy a lifetime of screwing people as a leading light of the democrat party. Like Warren, DWS, Pelosi, Hillary, etc. Daikokuco on November 17, 2013 at 10:28 PM

Like Jim McDermott.

Akzed on November 18, 2013 at 9:08 AM

‘Detroit on the West Coast’ in this decade.

Idiots.

locomotivebreath1901 on November 18, 2013 at 9:10 AM

Seattle has a relatively small effect on the rest of the state.

HTL on November 17, 2013 at 11:49 PM

You obviously don’t know anyone from “the rest of the state” – that is, east of the Cascades.

GWB on November 18, 2013 at 9:34 AM

That being said, socialism came from Germany.

Gatekeeper on November 17, 2013 at 7:40 PM

Socialism came from France. At the end of the 18th century. See “French Revolution”.

GWB on November 18, 2013 at 9:37 AM

16 American cities foreign governments warn their citizens about

Keep voting democrat reprobates!

Murphy9 on November 18, 2013 at 10:01 AM

This election really surprises NO ONE in the east side of the state.

opiemuyo on November 18, 2013 at 10:16 AM

I think we all ought to push for Seattle to secede from the Union.

ultracon on November 18, 2013 at 6:15 PM

Never enough money to pay the workers. Always enough money to buy a garage with an elevator.

urban elitist on November 16, 2013 at 7:12 PM

Why do you only pick on rich Republicans?

What about the former Bain executive Obama called in to fix the ObamaCare website? No digs against him? What about Obama who lives the monarchical life wafting from golf course to extravagant vacation?

And I’m sure you know that the reason Romney had an elevator in his California home is because liberals are so crazy in California that the building codes required him to install one. As rogerb said, please tell use how you don’t like it when the government tells people what to do in the privacy of their own homes.

gwelf on November 22, 2013 at 8:57 AM

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