Democrats remain oddly unmoved by Obama’s fake “administrative fix”

posted at 9:31 am on November 15, 2013 by Erika Johnsen

Funnily enough, President Obama’s practically unworkable, questionably legal, blame-shifting announcement of an “administrative fix” to allow insurers to temporarily renew cancelled plans on Thursday afternoon did nothing to quell the fears and concerns of Congressional Democrats panicking over the law’s annihilative effects already being experienced by millions of Americans. If the whole point of that exercise in executive desperation was to settle down the Democratic coalition and keep them unified, well… the Landreiu, Udall, and Upton bills are still very much on deck, via The Hill:

“I have a bill. There are other bills that have been filed. We’re going to be working across the aisle,” said Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-La.), who faces a competitive race next year. “Anybody who wants to work with me or anybody else to fix it, I’ll be willing.”

Sen. Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.) said he prefers Landrieu’s plan to Obama’s suggested fix.

“I’m continuing to support the Landrieu bill, which goes a little further,” he said after meeting with White House chief of staff Denis McDonough.

Merkley said Obama’s proposal “doesn’t go as far as I like.”

Rep. Kyrsten Sinema (D-Ariz.), a top GOP target in 2014, called Obama’s announcement a start but said she would break with Democrats and back a Republican bill sponsored by Rep. Fred Upton (R-Mich.) that is coming up for a vote on Friday.

“I just think that we should support any reasonable solution and the Upton bill is a reasonable solution and I support it,” she told reporters.

At least four other House Democrats, Reps. John Barrow (Ga.), Mike McIntyre (N.C.), Patrick Murphy (Fla.) and Collin Peterson (Minn.), also said they would vote for Upton’s bill. Many others said Thursday that they remain undecided.

Last night, however, the White House attempted to preempt that politically unfortunate scenario by issuing a veto threat on the Upton bill, via BuzzFeed:

“The Administration supports policies that allow people to keep the health plans that they have,” the White House said in a statement Thursday evening. “But, policies that reverse the progress made to extend quality, affordable coverage to millions of uninsured, hardworking, middle class families are not the solution.”

I’d guess it’s going to be a very awkward day on Capitol Hill.


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Obama to fellow Democrats and the insurance industry: “KMAG YOYO !”

MikeinPRCA on November 15, 2013 at 9:35 AM

Still the most amazing thing is how the Tea Party threw Barky a life-line back in September to delay this and he didn’t take it. His own administration knew they needed a delay. But they happily sailed the ship into the iceberg thinking they had “won” on the shutdown.

The lunacy of the left has no limits.

goflyers on November 15, 2013 at 9:37 AM

“The Administration supports policies that allow people to keep the health plans that they have,” the White House said

Obama: “Let me be clear: I support policies that allow people to keep the health plans that they have, which is why I am going to veto any legislation that allows people to keep the health plans that they have.”

AZCoyote on November 15, 2013 at 9:37 AM

Rep. Kyrsten Sinema (D-Ariz.), a top GOP target in 2014, called Obama’s announcement a start but said she would break with Democrats and back a Republican bill sponsored by Rep. Fred Upton (R-Mich.) that is coming up for a vote on Friday.

I heard she would go both ways.

jdpaz on November 15, 2013 at 9:37 AM

The House needs to immediately pass another repeal bill. Obama is a true believing Marxist and doesn’t care one bit about any of the havoc he is causing. His goal is socialism.

Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!

Charlemagne on November 15, 2013 at 9:37 AM

Dear GOP: Stay out of it. Stop attempting to fix their mess…there is no upside. Pull the Upton bill and let them sink…

PatriotRider on November 15, 2013 at 9:38 AM

Obama to fellow Democrats and the insurance industry: “KMAG YOYO !”

MikeinPRCA on November 15, 2013 at 9:35 AM

I have no idea what that means. I’m sure it’s something nasty though.

Oldnuke on November 15, 2013 at 9:39 AM

There is only one bill that should be put forth by the GOP…Complete Repeal…period…

PatriotRider on November 15, 2013 at 9:40 AM

What are the odds that the Senate votes to override his veto? Are 67 votes a bridge too far you think? I don’t think mere passage of this will save their bacon unless by some other means it’s enacted over Obama’s veto. Even that may no be enough. The commercials have already been cut and are just waiting to be placed on the networks.

volnation on November 15, 2013 at 9:40 AM

The Dems actually don’t care if any one of the keep-your-plan bills pass or if they’re vetoed. They just want to record a vote in favor. Transparent whores that they are.

TXUS on November 15, 2013 at 9:41 AM

Jonah Goldberg should’ve waited one more day on his “Schadenfreudarama” article. He would’ve had a whole new bunch of material for it. But I guess if he waited for O to stop bumbling and fumbling this thing he’d never get it written.

jdpaz on November 15, 2013 at 9:42 AM

Keep voting on Repeal until there is a veto proof majority…at the rate this is going it won’t be long…

PatriotRider on November 15, 2013 at 9:42 AM

I have no idea what that means. I’m sure it’s something nasty though.

Oldnuke on November 15, 2013 at 9:39 AM

“Kiss My Ass, Guys, You’re On Your Own.” He’s AWOL as President of the United States.

MikeinPRCA on November 15, 2013 at 9:43 AM

Watching Mary Landrieu try to walk this back is surreal. Recall the days when poll after poll of the residents of Louisiana showed 3/4th of them wanted her to vote the hell “NO!”

Marcus on November 15, 2013 at 9:43 AM

TXUS on November 15, 2013 at 9:41 AM

Yup

cozmo on November 15, 2013 at 9:44 AM

I have no idea what that means. I’m sure it’s something nasty though.

Oldnuke on November 15, 2013 at 9:39 AM

I looked it up. It basically means abandon all hope. Right on.

CW20 on November 15, 2013 at 9:44 AM

Dear GOP: Stay out of it. Stop attempting to fix their mess…there is no upside. Pull the Upton bill and let them sink…

PatriotRider on November 15, 2013 at 9:38 AM

Why pull it? Obama just handed the GOP an easy victory. They pass this bill in the House which gets them on the record as siding with “the folks”(to quote Ted Baxter) while simultaneously forcing every Democrat to choose between their loyalty to Obama and Pelosi or keeping the “keep your plan” pledge.

Then it gets to the Senate where one of two things happens. Either Reid never allows it to come up for a vote which can be used against the Dems in 2014. Or he does allow the Senate to vote in which case again the GOP gets to vote in favor of it while vulnerable Dems are put in a very tough spot.

And if somehow it does manage to pass the Senate, then Obama is forced to veto it which damages him(and his party) even further politically.

Doughboy on November 15, 2013 at 9:46 AM

From JWF:

After Claiming Your Can Keep Your Health Plan, Obama Vows to Veto ‘Keep Your Health Plan’ Bill

From Eric Cantor

The President just threatened to veto our bipartisan bill to allow you to #KeepYourPlan

You can’t make this stuff up. Pure Comedy Gold.

Obama’s is going to put The Onion out of business.

WisRich on November 15, 2013 at 9:46 AM

REPEAL!!! If the R’s do ANYTHING, it should be a REPEAL bill. Nothing else and otherwise, let them stew in this savory juice!

HomeoftheBrave on November 15, 2013 at 9:46 AM

There is only one bill that should be put forth by the GOP…Complete Repeal…period…

PatriotRider on November 15, 2013 at 9:40 AM

Yep. Republicans should vote “present” on all the Dim bills proposed as O-Care “fixes,” and they should keep repeating that the only real fix for this mess is passing a law that repeals O-Care, in its entirety.

AZCoyote on November 15, 2013 at 9:47 AM

The Dems actually don’t care if any one of the keep-your-plan bills pass or if they’re vetoed. They just want to record a vote in favor. Transparent whores that they are.

TXUS on November 15, 2013 at 9:41 AM

+1

WisRich on November 15, 2013 at 9:47 AM

Maybe it’s that whole loose cannon schtik…

After Apology, Obama Vows to ‘Push Back’ Against Healthcare Critics

Hours after President Barack Obama declared in a Thursday White House press conference that he “fumbled the roll out on this health care law” and said “that’s on me,” Obama delivered a defiant speech at a Cleveland plant wherein he vowed to “push back” against the swelling chorus of Americans opposed to Obamacare.

“We are not going to gut this law,” said Obama. “And those who say they’re opposed to it and can’t offer a solution, we’ll push back!”

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/11/14/Defiant-Obama-Says-He-Will-Push-Back-Against-Obamacare-Critics

workingclass artist on November 15, 2013 at 9:48 AM

This is so entertaining watching the democrats in total and absolute panic on this. The only think that worries me is the party of stupid getting their stupid on and snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. It seems as though it’s nearly impossible for them to screw this up no matter what happens, which is why I am worried.

crazywater on November 15, 2013 at 9:49 AM

Here’s what the president achieved yesterday:

1. Kicked the can not far enough down the road to indemnify Democrats-at-risk
2. Undermined ObamaCare regarding risk pools
3. Alienated Insurance Companies
4. Teed-up the only solution: a Taxpayer funded Big Insurance bailout
5. Proved, once again, that he is an idiot

Maybe he should’ve just stayed on the back nine fixing his divots.

Tsar of Earth on November 15, 2013 at 9:49 AM

AZCoyote on November 15, 2013 at 9:47 AM

The the reps would get the blame for not fixing it.

Only enough reps to get the bill to pass, and say why publicly. Then let 0bama veto it.

cozmo on November 15, 2013 at 9:49 AM

The President just threatened to veto our bipartisan bill to allow you to #KeepYourPlan. pic.twitter.com/dXMhsTXWtn

— Eric Cantor (@GOPLeader) November 15, 2013

‘But, Republicans refuse to work with me to better Obamacare and are only interested in being obstructionists.’

- Barack Obama

**eyeroll**

Resist We Much on November 15, 2013 at 9:50 AM

Remember the old adage:

Beware of Democrats/Progressives/Socialists finding opportunity in “serious crisis” .

Fallon on November 15, 2013 at 9:51 AM

Obama’s calling in the insurance companies today to try and strong-arm them into coming out and saying the idea of giving everyone back their old plans is the greatest idea since sliced bread … even if to do that now, under the other rules of ObamaCare, would be the path to bankruptcy for those companies, who would still face an expanded risk pool without the needed income coming to fund it.

You’d also assume there’s going to be a carrot in there, such as Obama allowing insurers basically to print their own additional subsidy money to get by for the next couple of years until the Dems think they can figure out a solution or everyone will be used to the higher health care costs/lower disposable income/lower overall quality-of-life as the new normal. We’ll see if the combination of bigger subsidies and the threat of being sent to the cornfield for disobedience will get the health insurers to fall in line.

jon1979 on November 15, 2013 at 9:51 AM

Demorat terrorists, seditionizers, suicide bombers, racists.

Bishop on November 15, 2013 at 9:51 AM

Tsar of Earth on November 15, 2013 at 9:49 AM

Um, you left out; “provided entertainment”.

Things are bad in this 0bama economy and we have to get our entertainment where we can.

cozmo on November 15, 2013 at 9:52 AM

said Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-La.), who faces a competitive race next year. “Anybody who wants to work with me or anybody else to fix it, I’ll be willing.”

Sure, Mary, but you were perfectly willing to prevent the other side from having any say in this as you took tribute money to stuff this freedom thieving fiasco down America’s throat.
Now, in true little red hen story fashion (your bread is baked and burned to a frazzle) you seek to pretend that you are worthy of being thrown a political life jacket. Sink baby sink!

Don L on November 15, 2013 at 9:53 AM

Where the hell are all the “my body, my choice” women, huh?

antipc on November 15, 2013 at 9:54 AM

How come trolls never come out to play on good days?

cozmo on November 15, 2013 at 9:54 AM

Goldberg’s comment about the crab-trap made me laugh to the point that the nearest dogs looked up in alarm and then slunk away.

When one crab tries to escape the trap, the others reach up and pull it back down, that’s exactly what’s going on here with the demorats.

Bishop on November 15, 2013 at 9:55 AM

Why pull it? Obama just handed the GOP an easy victory. They pass this bill in the House which gets them on the record as siding with “the folks”(to quote Ted Baxter) while simultaneously forcing every Democrat to choose between their loyalty to Obama and Pelosi or keeping the “keep your plan” pledge.

Then it gets to the Senate where one of two things happens. Either Reid never allows it to come up for a vote which can be used against the Dems in 2014. Or he does allow the Senate to vote in which case again the GOP gets to vote in favor of it while vulnerable Dems are put in a very tough spot.

And if somehow it does manage to pass the Senate, then Obama is forced to veto it which damages him(and his party) even further politically.

Doughboy on November 15, 2013 at 9:46 AM

And a Keep Your Plan act (at least the House version) is preferable to delaying the Individual Mandate. You don’t want to throw them a lifeline for 2014, just give them enough rope to hang themselves.

Ukiah on November 15, 2013 at 9:55 AM

Jonah Goldberg should’ve waited one more day on his “Schadenfreudarama” article. He would’ve had a whole new bunch of material for it…

jdpaz on November 15, 2013 at 9:42 AM

Yes, it was a wonderfully fun article in case any of you missed it.

A sequel this afternoon?

Tsar of Earth on November 15, 2013 at 9:55 AM

Is it me, or can we name that font/size/style/rhetoric combo on that POTUS memo “potato?” No matter how big a dumbass I think the POTUS is, he always manages to exceed expectations.

King B on November 15, 2013 at 9:56 AM

You want to know who the Moby “Conservatives” are. By who isn’t here making a single comment about the ACA crash. Panther for one. He was on Hot Air wall to wall 24/7 right after the shutdown claiming he was pissed because second damaged the brand and made it hard on politicians in the 2014 midterms.

You’d think he’d be gleefully proclaiming that doesn’t appear to be the case. MIA.

Gumbusbepokey be another one. Swears to be conservative yet only appears when there’s something to rub our noses in. MIA.

smoothsailing on November 15, 2013 at 9:56 AM

TXUS on November 15, 2013 at 9:41 AM
+1

WisRich on November 15, 2013 at 9:47 AM

+2

bazil9 on November 15, 2013 at 9:58 AM

How come trolls never come out to play on good days?

cozmo on November 15, 2013 at 9:54 AM

They haven’t been mailed a set of talking points to push yet.

Doomberg on November 15, 2013 at 10:00 AM

cozmo on November 15, 2013 at 9:44 AM

Of all of them Landrieu’s probably the worst hypocrite. In 2010, she (and a number of the endangered Ds) voted against Mike Enzi’s proposal to stop/reverse the HHS regs that effectively negated the keep-your-plan provision in the ACA.

The ads write themselves, even if she gets a chance to have her bill voted on, which is doubtful.

TXUS on November 15, 2013 at 10:00 AM

on cbs,looks like mitts all in for immigration.

hardest hit

bluegill

toldja!

renalin on November 15, 2013 at 10:00 AM

The problem for Dems in red areas is they need to be on the record with a vote that reverses the cancellations to some minimal extent. For them, it’s not enough to hide behind Obama’s skirt, because Obama has been stripped down to his G-string. All we need is the kid to come along and finally pronounce that the emperor has no clothes.

BuckeyeSam on November 15, 2013 at 10:00 AM

Either Reid never allows it to come up for a vote which can be used against the Dems in 2014…

Doughboy on November 15, 2013 at 9:46 AM

Unfortunately, Reid may have an out: He can disallow it claiming Obama’s Administrative Fix is sufficient, effectively throwing the hot potato back to Obama.

I’m not sure, but that may play better next October for the Dems-at- risk when it will again fall apart.

Tsar of Earth on November 15, 2013 at 10:01 AM

on cbs,looks like mitts all in for immigration.

hardest hit

bluegill

toldja!

renalin on November 15, 2013 at 10:00 AM

Go away Mitt & take McInsane and Gramnesty with ya.

workingclass artist on November 15, 2013 at 10:06 AM

Wouldn’t this be a good time to repeal and replace since the ACA (or kaka for greater accuracy) does not do anything it was supposed to-even according to the Obama administration? It increases premiums for most American and reduces the number of people who will have insurance-as predicted by every conservative.

The time to repeal is now.

talkingpoints on November 15, 2013 at 10:07 AM

Goldberg’s comment about the crab-trap made me laugh to the point that the nearest dogs looked up in alarm and then slunk away.

When one crab tries to escape the trap, the others reach up and pull it back down, that’s exactly what’s going on here with the demorats.

Bishop on November 15, 2013 at 9:55 AM

I almost lost bladder control. It was a vivid word picture.

I saw Buchanan on Greta last night, and he had a funny line. Greta asked him why so many Dems are backing these resurrections bills. Pat got all fired up and said, “Well, the problem is that all these Democrats found themselves looking over the rails at Bill Clinton paddling away in a lifeboat, and they figured they had to do something.” I’ve been looking for the clip this morning, but I haven’t found it. It was HIGHLAIRIOUS.

BuckeyeSam on November 15, 2013 at 10:08 AM

Obama has been stripped down to his G-string. All we need is the kid to come along and finally pronounce that the emperor has no clothes.

BuckeyeSam on November 15, 2013 at 10:00 AM

My eyes!

talkingpoints on November 15, 2013 at 10:08 AM

Obama’s calling in the insurance companies today to try and strong-arm them into coming out and saying the idea of giving everyone back their old plans is the greatest idea since sliced bread …

jon1979 on November 15, 2013 at 9:51 AM

This is where all those NSA files come in handy.

BTW ~ High crimes and misdemeanors includes intimidation, failure to supervise, dereliction of duty, and conduct unbecoming.

Fallon on November 15, 2013 at 10:12 AM

Republican Alternative to ACA if repealed.

New Jersey’s Basic and Essential plan (destroyed this year by the ACA, depriving 100,000 of affordable insurance)-done on a state by state basis

talkingpoints on November 15, 2013 at 10:13 AM

MikeinPRCA on November 15, 2013 at 9:43 AM

Thanks for the translation. I figured out the first half it was the yoyo that threw me :-) He’s been AWOL for a long time, in my opinion he’s always been just an empty suit but with really great creases.

Oldnuke on November 15, 2013 at 10:13 AM

It’s entertaining watching the Democrat faithful turn on their messiah for 30 more years of sitting in Congress, LOL. :-)

Punchenko on November 15, 2013 at 10:14 AM

I saw Buchanan on Greta last night, and he had a funny line. Greta asked him why so many Dems are backing these resurrections bills. Pat got all fired up and said, “Well, the problem is that all these Democrats found themselves looking over the rails at Bill Clinton paddling away in a lifeboat, and they figured they had to do something.” I’ve been looking for the clip this morning, but I haven’t found it. It was HIGHLAIRIOUS.

BuckeyeSam on November 15, 2013 at 10:08 AM

LOL! That was hilarious! :-)

I think Bill likes kicking Barry when he’s down. Too bad for Hillary she supported two unpopular wars and BarkyCare. We might as well call her Hillary Bushbama.

Punchenko on November 15, 2013 at 10:17 AM

TXUS on November 15, 2013 at 10:00 AM

It probably won’t matter. Louisiana isn’t the kinda’ blue strong union southern state it remained until not many years ago. And the Landrieu name doesn’t carry all that much clout any more either. Except to the minority and/or ignorant types.

workingclass artist on November 15, 2013 at 10:06 AM

Only if Mitt takes the hagfish with him.

cozmo on November 15, 2013 at 10:17 AM

Shut up! Eric “my chief of staff helped the Dem win VA” Cantor. And Mary Landrieu, didn’t Barry already pay you off for voting, hell yeah on Obamacare? Seems rude. Or maybe she’s back to the trough again. How much will it take to get you to STFD and STFU this time? Isn’t that how this game is played?

magicbeans on November 15, 2013 at 10:17 AM

jon1979 on November 15, 2013 at 9:51 AM

These carriers are accountable to the individual State Departments of Insurance – not the feds. He can try, but he will fail.

F.A.I.L.

Key West Reader on November 15, 2013 at 10:23 AM

Doughboy on November 15, 2013 at 9:46 AM

I like the way you think. This thing exploded way too soon for there to be any steam behind a call for single payer.

txhsmom on November 15, 2013 at 10:29 AM

I saw Buchanan on Greta last night, and he had a funny line. Greta asked him why so many Dems are backing these resurrections bills. Pat got all fired up and said, “Well, the problem is that all these Democrats found themselves looking over the rails at Bill Clinton paddling away in a lifeboat, and they figured they had to do something.” I’ve been looking for the clip this morning, but I haven’t found it. It was HIGHLAIRIOUS.

BuckeyeSam on November 15, 2013 at 10:08 AM

My dad called me to tell me that. I nearly spit out my coffee.

txhsmom on November 15, 2013 at 10:30 AM

The Upton bill is dumb, dumb and dumber. I never heard Obama tell me that “if I liked the insurance I have now I could keep it for one more year.” He said I could keep it… period. The republicans should be voting on a bill to allow the people to keep their insurance as long as they want, not for just another year.

Jackson on November 15, 2013 at 10:33 AM

Ya know if they just repealed the bill in it’s entirety then everybody would get to keep their plan.

Oldnuke on November 15, 2013 at 10:39 AM

Anything that happens since yesterday is political posturing. Obama has threatened to veto the Upton Bill, so if a Dem from a red state signs on to that one, he/she can run on that, even though they knew it was going to be vetoed anyway. The Dems will decide how many votes they need against the Bill and who should be allowed to vote for the Republican Bill as a cover in their reelection.

Both parties can spend all their time and energy on their own selfish agendas, however, the American people know the truth. Even the low information voters and people who don’t normally pay any attention to this stuff know the truth because healthcare affects everyone. If this law is not repealed and single payer is even hinted at, I predict there will be millions of people protesting on the street.

lea on November 15, 2013 at 10:42 AM

Offer a repeal bill and nothing else. That’s how we can help Obama & Dems.

tommer74 on November 15, 2013 at 10:43 AM

Ya know if they just repealed the bill in it’s entirety then everybody would get to keep their plan.

Oldnuke on November 15, 2013 at 10:39 AM

Nope. That ship sailed. Everything has to be re-figured at this point.

oldroy on November 15, 2013 at 10:43 AM

Full repeal is the only option. It will take years for the system to recover.

oldroy on November 15, 2013 at 10:44 AM

Is that paper attached to Eric Cantor’s “tweet” real or photoshopped? Does the White House actually put out official documents labeled “Veto Threat”?

At this rate, by next year the White House documents will be labeled “Fatwa”.

Steve Z on November 15, 2013 at 10:44 AM

Nope. That ship sailed. Everything has to be re-figured at this point.

oldroy on November 15, 2013 at 10:43 AM

Yeah, I know but damn it sounds good. Besides we’re talking Democrats here. Enough of them may believe it to override The Won’s veto. We could at least start a recovery effort if somebody drove a stake through it’s heart.

Oldnuke on November 15, 2013 at 10:47 AM

Oldnuke: I totally agree but it seems the repubs think they are gaining a big political victory with this bill. Even FOX and Upton himself are reporting that the Upton bill lets people keep their plan but they don’t mention it’s only for a year. Nobody is saying it and it’s misleading.

Jackson on November 15, 2013 at 10:47 AM

The republicans should be voting on a bill to allow the people to keep their insurance as long as they want, not for just another year.
Jackson on November 15, 2013 at 10:33 AM

Wouldn’t the Upton bill just delay the pain and end the conversation until AFTER the mid-term elections? What’s the upside in that?

tommyboy on November 15, 2013 at 10:49 AM

Nobody is saying it and it’s misleading.

Jackson on November 15, 2013 at 10:47 AM

I think I heard Megyn Kelly say it last night. In between her constant “Death spirals”. I love her but I wish she’d latch onto another buzzword. I’ve heard it from a few other sources too. But you’re right it’s not getting the press it needs.

Oldnuke on November 15, 2013 at 10:50 AM

Wouldn’t the Upton bill just delay the pain and end the conversation until AFTER the mid-term elections? What’s the upside in that?

tommyboy on November 15, 2013 at 10:49 AM

Yes.

None for us.

Lots for dems in harm’s way.

Oldnuke on November 15, 2013 at 10:52 AM

Calls for “reasonable solutions” are heavily correlated to the extent to which a representative previously acted unreasonable relative to the wishes of their constituencies.

Curious how the arsonists are calling for water now that their hair is on fire.

R Square on November 15, 2013 at 10:55 AM

Making Obama keep his promise indefinitely and not for just a year would derail the whole thing would it not?

Jackson on November 15, 2013 at 10:59 AM

Obama: “Let me be clear: I support policies that allow people to keep the health plans that they have, which is why I am going to veto any legislation that allows people to keep the health plans that they have.”

AZCoyote on November 15, 2013 at 9:37 AM

YCMTSU

Obama’s calling in the insurance companies today to try and strong-arm them into coming out and saying the idea [which he announced yesterday] of giving everyone back their old plans is the greatest idea since sliced bread …
jon1979 on November 15, 2013 at 9:51 AM

Obama’s modus operandi in action again: make a decision first, then consult the stakeholders and experts.

Reminds me of Lewis Carroll’s King of Hearts at the “trial” of the Knave: Sentence first – verdict afterwards.

His administration makes even less sense than Wonderland.

How come trolls never come out to play on good days?

cozmo on November 15, 2013 at 9:54 AM

They haven’t been mailed a set of talking points to push yet.
Doomberg on November 15, 2013 at 10:00 AM

Nonpartisan made a run at it yesterday, but failed miserably.

I saw Buchanan on Greta last night, and he had a funny line. Greta asked him why so many Dems are backing these resurrections bills. Pat got all fired up and said, “Well, the problem is that all these Democrats found themselves looking over the rails at Bill Clinton paddling away in a lifeboat, and they figured they had to do something.” I’ve been looking for the clip this morning, but I haven’t found it. It was HIGHLAIRIOUS.

BuckeyeSam on November 15, 2013 at 10:08 AM

They didn’t call him “Slick Willie” for nothing.

AesopFan on November 15, 2013 at 11:00 AM

Oldnuke: I totally agree but it seems the repubs think they are gaining a big political victory with this bill. Even FOX and Upton himself are reporting that the Upton bill lets people keep their plan but they don’t mention it’s only for a year. Nobody is saying it and it’s misleading.

Jackson on November 15, 2013 at 10:47 AM

It allows the insurance companies to offer non-compliant plans to new customers doesn’t it? And I don’t see anywhere that it’s limited to one year.

kcewa on November 15, 2013 at 11:03 AM

Every one of them should have to have ’60th vote’ tattooed on their forehead.

AmeriCuda on November 15, 2013 at 11:05 AM

The President just threatened to veto our bipartisan bill to allow you to #KeepYourPlan. pic.twitter.com/dXMhsTXWtn

— Eric Cantor (@GOPLeader) November 15, 2013

Oh, hells-yeah!

Keep the pressure on. Don’t let up for a moment. Split the Democrat Party right down the middle. The more hardball we play, the worse it gets for them. And the more we emphasize the bipartisan nature of our solution, the more the public will be behind it. And thus the more scared Dems who will join in our efforts.

Once we present a veto-proof majority, Obama’s permanently screwed. Along with Pelosi and Reid.

This is the opportunity to permanently destroy the Left.

Don’t let up!!!!

nukemhill on November 15, 2013 at 11:11 AM

Regarding whether the Upton bill will keep policies in place after 2014. It appears the answer is yes. Complete text of the bill is as follows:

1. SHORT TITLE
This Act may be cited as the Keep Your Health Plan Act of 2013 .

2. IF YOU LIKE YOUR HEALTH CARE PLAN, YOU CAN KEEP IT
(a) In General
Notwithstanding any provision of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (including any amendment made by such Act or by the Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010), a health insurance issuer that has in effect health insurance coverage in the individual market as of January 1, 2013, may continue after such date to offer such coverage for sale during 2014 in such market outside of an Exchange established under section 1311 or 1321 of such Act ( 42 U.S.C. 18031 , 18041).

(b) Treatment As Grandfathered Health Plan In Satisfaction Of Minimum Essential Coverage
Health insurance coverage described in subsection (a) shall be treated as a grandfathered health plan for purposes of the amendment made by section 1501(b) of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.

So, since such plans are “grandfathered” (section 2b) then yes they can be maintained into perpetuity. And since the offerings can be continued for sale — that means anyone can buy them — so no one will be forced into Obamacare. Also minor changes to such plans such as are typically done (bumps in premiums, mods to co-pays, etc.) will not cause the plan to expire (section 2a).

In effect, this completely torpedoes Obamacare because anyone who wants to ignore it and just buy plans directly from the insurance companies (and those plans can be non-compliant to Obamacare regulations) may do so. Result will be that Obamacare just becomes a crappy alternative insurance market that the vast majority of Americans will simply ignore.

SunSword on November 15, 2013 at 11:29 AM

And then, pelosi said: “We have to pass the bill in order to find out what is in it.” A wise liberal!

boogieboy on November 15, 2013 at 11:39 AM

You want to know who the Moby “Conservatives” are. By who isn’t here making a single comment about the ACA crash. Panther for one. He was on Hot Air wall to wall 24/7 right after the shutdown claiming he was pissed because second damaged the brand and made it hard on politicians in the 2014 midterms.

You’d think he’d be gleefully proclaiming that doesn’t appear to be the case. MIA.

Gumbusbepokey be another one. Swears to be conservative yet only appears when there’s something to rub our noses in. MIA.

smoothsailing on November 15, 2013 at 9:56 AM

We have many more mobys than just those two, and concern trolls, and posters paid to post.

slickwillie2001 on November 15, 2013 at 11:50 AM

There’s absolutely nothing “likeable” about Barack Obama. I hope Obamacare does as much damage as humanly possible to every idiot who voted for him because they thought this snake, with the same cold, dead eyes as Mohammad Atta, was a “good guy”.

The opposite of someone who suffers fools gladly, is a fool who gladly allows themselves to be conned by someone that anyone with half a brain can see is a con artist.

ardenenoch on November 15, 2013 at 11:50 AM

What do the Upton, Landrieu, and Obama plans have in common?

Undermining the insurance risk pools.

Where does that take us? Single-payer.

Republicans are either in bed with Obama, completely stupid, or both.

Carnac on November 15, 2013 at 11:53 AM

OK, time for another photo of the President with his shirt off at the beach. Oh, and let’s call up some more breathless reportage of Michelle’s toned arms.

Now, where the hell did I put those Greek columns …….

dissent555 on November 16, 2013 at 7:23 AM