Washington state insurance commissioner: No, we’re not letting insurers un-cancel plans now

posted at 4:31 pm on November 14, 2013 by Allahpundit

Good news or bad news for President Buckpasser?

Alternate headline: “White House to begin referring to ObamaCare as ‘KreidlerCare.’”

Just hours after President Obama announced changes to his health care law to give insurance companies the option to keep offering consumers plans that would otherwise be canceled, Washington state Insurance Commissioner Mike Kreidler says those changes will not be allowed in our state.

Kreidler says Thursday he has “serious concerns” about how Obama’s proposal would be implemented and its potential impact on the overall stability of the state’s health insurance market.

“I do not believe his proposal is a good deal for the state of Washington,” Kreidler said in a statement announcing his decision. “In the interest of keeping the consumer protections, we have enacted and ensuring that we keep health insurance costs down for all consumers, we are staying the course. We will not be allowing insurance companies to extend their policies. I believe this is in the best interest of the health insurance market in Washington.”

On the one hand, Obama will take any fall guy he can get for mass cancellations as long as it’s not him. If Kreidler wants to be the bad guy responsible for telling people they can’t keep their plan after all, fine. In fact, like I said in this post, O would surely prefer that plans aren’t un-canceled. What Kreidler said here about the stability of the insurance market is true and Obama knows it; if insurers start bringing back old plans, the prognosis for ObamaCare will turn even poorer than it already is. That’s why O adopted a version of the Republican plan, which would give insurers the option to resurrect canceled plans, and not the Democratic one, which would require them to do it. He doesn’t want it to happen, he only wants the public to think that he does.

On the other hand, O would much, much prefer to have the insurance industry as his archenemy in all this, not state insurance regulators. It’s easy to demagogue the former as cutthroat and callous about the hardships of canceling someone’s insurance. It’s harder to do it to the latter, especially when Kreidler’s talking up the same type of consumer protections that Obama himself is ostensibly concerned with at the federal level. Essentially, if Obama gets into a pissing contest with state regulators over this instead of the industry, he risks coming off as a comparatively feckless, short-sighted lawmaker — which he is — rather than the hero of the middle class, gloriously restoring them to the plans they knew and loved, that he wants to be. O doesn’t want plans un-canceled, he just wants an unpopular entity like insurers to take the fall. Kreidler’s preventing that. What now?

By the way, to circle back to a question I posed earlier, is Obama’s unilateral “fix” for mass cancellations even legal? Law professor Nicholas Bagley is skeptical. It may be, says Bagley, that HHS has some extra rulemaking authority during the “transitional” phase of ObamaCare, but since when does that give them carte blanche to start changing deadlines set by the statute itself?

As I wrote on Monday, the ACA require all plans sold on the individual market after January 1, 2014 to adhere to a new slate of rules. The administration now says that some of those plans don’t have to. What gives?…

Generic grants of rulemaking authority are not traditionally thought to give agencies the power to revise the effective dates of statutes. That’s why the delay of the employer mandate was so controversial. Although the IRS’s practice was sufficiently well-entrenched that it gave the administration a reasonable legal basis for acting, I’m skeptical that CMS has developed a similarly well-entrenched practice. (The two examples above are of quite recent vintage.) I could be wrong about that; maybe CMS really does do this kind of thing all the time. But if I’m not, the administrative fix may be vulnerable to even sharper claims of illegality than the delay of the employer mandate.

This is one reason why, I assume, Democrats like Landrieu still want to pass something in Congress. That would solve the legality issue. (And of course, it’d also give Landrieu something concrete to show conservative voters in Louisiana about her role in undoing the mass cancellations.) Problem is, Senate Democratic leaders seem to think that nothing will, or even can, pass. Landrieu’s bill would be dead in the House because it’s a mandate and Republicans don’t like mandates. Upton’s bill can’t pass in the Senate because it would allow all new enrollees, not just people who’ve had their coverage dropped, to enroll in an un-canceled plan. This is why Democrats wanted an administrative fix — which may, in fact, be illegal. On to the Supreme Court!

Update: Let the state-regulator revolt begin.

Guy Benson e-mails to note that both Kreidler and the Arkansas insurance commissioner are Democrats.


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How can defy a direct order from Obama…?

NeoKong on November 14, 2013 at 4:34 PM

Putting the toothpaste back in the tube.

22044 on November 14, 2013 at 4:34 PM

“death by a thousand cuts”…continues…

going2mars on November 14, 2013 at 4:35 PM

both Kreidler and the Arkansas insurance commissioner are Democrats.

and they want their jiziahCAIR !

burrata on November 14, 2013 at 4:35 PM

Abandon Ship! Its every man for himself! Swim to the right if you can!

BobMbx on November 14, 2013 at 4:35 PM

Arkansas’ insurance commissioner just announced the same thing.

Rixon on November 14, 2013 at 4:36 PM

Posting this again because Texas said NO to this lunacy.

Impeach President Obama.

Gov. Rick Perry issued the following statement regarding President Barack Obama’s announcement today on Obamacare:

This is a staggering display of a reckless president cavalierly instructing states to ignore federal law. President Obama is shifting the blame by saying it’s up to states and state insurance commissioners to fix the massive problem his signature law has created for millions of Americans who are losing their health insurance. President Obama did succeed at one thing today: making a bad situation worse with a ‘fix’ that will create more confusion for consumers and threatens to destabilize the health insurance industry. Obamacare is an abject failure; it’s time to overturn this ill-conceived, job-killing nightmare that ultimately will bankrupt this country.”

http://governor.state.tx.us/news/press-release/19090/

workingclass artist on November 14, 2013 at 4:36 PM

How does Obama sleep at night???…

PatriotRider on November 14, 2013 at 4:36 PM

California, while eager to do anything it can to please obama, will have difficulty as well.

GaltBlvnAtty on November 14, 2013 at 4:36 PM

i need to grab some more popcorn.. watching the emperor get de-robed is so enjoyable

gatorboy on November 14, 2013 at 4:37 PM

does anyone know which of the 6 or so states already prohibit, by law, any reversal of cancelled plans? I am told California is on that list.

matthew8787 on November 14, 2013 at 4:37 PM

Does any of this mess impact the states that opted OUT of ObamaCare and refused to create a state exchange? I believe both Washington State and Arkansas created them.

HondaV65 on November 14, 2013 at 4:37 PM

workingclass artist commented on the earlier thread:

Gov. Rick Perry issued the following statement regarding President Barack Obama’s announcement today on Obamacare:

“This is a staggering display of a reckless president cavalierly instructing states to ignore federal law. President Obama is shifting the blame by saying it’s up to states and state insurance commissioners to fix the massive problem his signature law has created for millions of Americans who are losing their health insurance. President Obama did succeed at one thing today: making a bad situation worse with a ‘fix’ that will create more confusion for consumers and threatens to destabilize the health insurance industry. Obamacare is an abject failure; it’s time to overturn this ill-conceived, job-killing nightmare that ultimately will bankrupt this country.”

http://governor.state.tx.us/news/press-release/19090/

anotherJoe on November 14, 2013 at 4:38 PM

Say goodbye to Senator Pryor.

matthew8787 on November 14, 2013 at 4:38 PM

workingclass artist on November 14, 2013 at 4:36 PM

Oops, I should have left it up to you to replay your comment here.

anotherJoe on November 14, 2013 at 4:39 PM

I wonder what the rest of the world must be thinking watching this disaster…

PatriotRider on November 14, 2013 at 4:39 PM

How does Obama sleep at night???…

PatriotRider on November 14, 2013 at 4:36 PM

Choom.

BobMbx on November 14, 2013 at 4:39 PM

I’ve switched from popcorn to whiskey…

PatriotRider on November 14, 2013 at 4:40 PM

Does any of this mess impact the states that opted OUT of ObamaCare and refused to create a state exchange? I believe both Washington State and Arkansas created them.

HondaV65 on November 14, 2013 at 4:37 PM

Chaos

workingclass artist on November 14, 2013 at 4:40 PM

You know what?

Why aren’t foreign countries who supported the election of the REB sending apologies to those of us who have suffered under him?

BobMbx on November 14, 2013 at 4:41 PM

F.A.I.L.

This dude is toast.

Key West Reader on November 14, 2013 at 4:41 PM

Oh what a beautiful morning,

Oh what a beautiful day,

I’ve got a wonderful feeling,

Schdanfreud’s going our way.

WisRich on November 14, 2013 at 4:41 PM

Next Obama gambit–get rid of the states.

vityas on November 14, 2013 at 4:42 PM

How does Obama sleep at night???…

PatriotRider on November 14, 2013 at 4:36 PM


Being spooned by Reggie Love

Tht’a what Harry Reid’s reliable source told my second cousin’s aunt’s friend.

PolAgnostic on November 14, 2013 at 4:42 PM

rather than the hero of the middle class

If Obama is the hero of the middle class, they have a funny way of showing it…

In 2008 Presidential election income demographics:

Under $15,000: Obama: 73% McCain: 25%

$15,000–$30,000: Obama: 60% McCain: 37%

$30,000–$50,000: Obama: 55% McCain: 43%

$50,000-$75,000: Obama : 48% McCain: 49%

$75,000-$100,000: Obama: 51% McCain: 48%

$100,000-$150,000: Obama: 48% McCain: 51%

$150,000-$200,000: Obama: 48% McCain: 50%

Over $200,000: Obama: 52% McCain: 46%

In 2012 Presidential election income demographics:

Under $30,000: Obama: 63% Romney: 35%

$30,000–$49,999: Obama: 57% Romney: 42%

$50,000–$99,999: Obama: 46% Romney: 52%

$100,000-$199,999: Obama: 44% Romney: 54%

$200,000-$249,999: Obama: 47% Romney: 52%

Over $250,000: Obama: 42% Romney: 55%

Resist We Much on November 14, 2013 at 4:42 PM

He ain’t going to make it another three years.

Flange on November 14, 2013 at 4:42 PM

Oops, I should have left it up to you to replay your comment here.

anotherJoe on November 14, 2013 at 4:39 PM

Nah…Repeat as often as you want to.

: )

workingclass artist on November 14, 2013 at 4:42 PM

For some reason a big bowl of warm carmelcorn sounds very good right now.

workingclass artist commented on the earlier thread:

Gov. Rick Perry issued the following statement regarding President Barack Obama’s announcement today on Obamacare:

“This is a staggering display of a reckless president cavalierly instructing states to ignore federal law. President Obama is shifting the blame by saying it’s up to states and state insurance commissioners to fix the massive problem his signature law has created for millions of Americans who are losing their health insurance. President Obama did succeed at one thing today: making a bad situation worse with a ‘fix’ that will create more confusion for consumers and threatens to destabilize the health insurance industry. Obamacare is an abject failure; it’s time to overturn this ill-conceived, job-killing nightmare that ultimately will bankrupt this country.”

http://governor.state.tx.us/news/press-release/19090/

anotherJoe on November 14, 2013 at 4:38 PM

I just love him!

gophergirl on November 14, 2013 at 4:42 PM

excuse my spelling.

WisRich on November 14, 2013 at 4:42 PM

Does any of this mess impact the states that opted OUT of ObamaCare and refused to create a state exchange? I believe both Washington State and Arkansas created them.

HondaV65 on November 14, 2013 at 4:37 PM

Chaos

workingclass artist on November 14, 2013 at 4:40 PM

Florida didn’t create an exchange and BC/BS cancelled 450k policies, I believe. There’s no possible way that State Insurance Commissioners can undo Obama’s boondoggle. No way it could ever work. Even if they push through “legislation” it is simply too late to undo this. A 12- pound monkey could understand this but not this White House.

Bye, Dems!

Key West Reader on November 14, 2013 at 4:42 PM

So, is Washington State part of the New Confederacy?

Nullification, you know.

Resist We Much on November 14, 2013 at 4:43 PM

How does Obama sleep at night???…

PatriotRider on November 14, 2013 at 4:36 PM

Take a good look at him recently. Particularly his eyes.

thatsafactjack on November 14, 2013 at 4:43 PM

The only “Keep Your Insurance” bill the GOP should consider is one that includes repeal of Obamacare. Otherwise, they’re just playing to lose on policy on politics.

besser tot als rot on November 14, 2013 at 4:43 PM

Does anyone think that Valerie had not called to discuss this with each Dem State Insurance Commissioner before Dear Leader ever approached the podium…?

d1carter on November 14, 2013 at 4:44 PM

KA-BOOM!
You can’t put toothpaste back in the communist tube, Barry!
I hope it stings, b!tch.

HornetSting on November 14, 2013 at 4:44 PM

It’s like Thelma and Louise trying to make a U-turn. Unfortunately, all of us are locked in the trunk of the car.

Mr. D on November 14, 2013 at 4:44 PM

How can defy a direct order from Obama…?

NeoKong on November 14, 2013 at 4:34 PM

I think the order came with a caveat :
If you like my jiziahCAIR, you can keep my jiziahCAIR,
as long as there are enough stupid losers in your state to keep marxists in Congress until 2014.

burrata on November 14, 2013 at 4:45 PM

He ain’t going to make it another three years.

Flange on November 14, 2013 at 4:42 PM

Obama is insane…No other words to describe it.

He’s choomin’ om pure delusion now…

workingclass artist on November 14, 2013 at 4:45 PM

Schdanfreud’s going our way.

WisRich on November 14, 2013 at 4:41 PM

He hasn’t posted yet in this thread, though!

Doomberg on November 14, 2013 at 4:47 PM

It’s a great day for the 10th Amendment to come shining through. It’s a great day for the destruction of the Statist’s dream of communism/socialism in America.

Dems will never recover from this. Never.

Key West Reader on November 14, 2013 at 4:47 PM

How does Obama sleep at night???…

PatriotRider on November 14, 2013 at 4:36 PM

Inside a burka, sitting on a chair :O

burrata on November 14, 2013 at 4:48 PM

But Obama spoke… Shouldn’t every problem under the sun be immediately resolved when Obama speaks about it?…

mnjg on November 14, 2013 at 4:48 PM

workingclass artist on November 14, 2013 at 4:45 PM

He’s baffled that people aren’t bailing him out. For the first time in his life he is not going to get away with something simply by being black and he doesn’t know how to cope with this. It’s just going to get worse for him.

Flange on November 14, 2013 at 4:49 PM

Abandon Ship! Its every man for himself! Swim to the right if you can!

BobMbx on November 14, 2013 at 4:35 PM

SERPENTINE!

MontanaMmmm on November 14, 2013 at 4:49 PM

I’m lost. If the Federal government allows insurers to bring back those plans, is the Insurance Commissioner violating Federal “Administrative” Law by prohibiting it?

Dusty on November 14, 2013 at 4:49 PM

Senator Patty Murray, call your office.

Throat Wobbler Mangrove on November 14, 2013 at 4:50 PM

On the other hand, O would much, much prefer to have the insurance industry as his archenemy in all this, not state insurance regulators.

Especially when lots of those guys and gals are democrats.

Obama has no idea what is going on, and clearly did not bother to ask anyone who knows anything about health insurance.

LASue on November 14, 2013 at 4:50 PM

I can smell the tort lawyers warming up in the bullpen now.

J_Crater on November 14, 2013 at 4:50 PM

Interesting that a certain national political party isn’t using every resource and asset that they have to point out to the American People that all of this is…

… THE DEMOCRATS FAULT!!!

… Chances to destroy your enemy by their own doing don’t come along too often.

No doubt the Establishment GOP are waiting for a better chance…

Seven Percent Solution on November 14, 2013 at 4:51 PM

Does any of this mess impact the states that opted OUT of ObamaCare and refused to create a state exchange? I believe both Washington State and Arkansas created them.

HondaV65 on November 14, 2013 at 4:37 PM

Chaos

workingclass artist on November 14, 2013 at 4:40 PM

Florida didn’t create an exchange and BC/BS cancelled 450k policies, I believe. There’s no possible way that State Insurance Commissioners can undo Obama’s boondoggle. No way it could ever work. Even if they push through “legislation” it is simply too late to undo this. A 12- pound monkey could understand this but not this White House.

Bye, Dems!

Key West Reader on November 14, 2013 at 4:42 PM

Gov. Peery nailed it in his latest statement (He’s nailed this catastrophe all along)

Obama is destabilizing the insurance industry and trying to pin it on the states…just like the law pins the cost of Medicaid expansion on state budgets.

Bottom line this is an attack on the healthier economies of Red States to expand federal control…Any Governor that took the bait should be ousted out of office for complicity in this plan to bankrupt their state.

workingclass artist on November 14, 2013 at 4:51 PM

The flypimp looks sick.

Schadenfreude on November 14, 2013 at 4:51 PM

As great as it is, and believe me, I’m enjoying it, to see Obama and his minions gutting one another in the capital coliseum, I’m deeply concerned let we forget about those millions of Americans who have lost, and will lose, their healthcare insurance… which is to say they will effectively lose their healthcare.

These are not people who didn’t want to buy insurance in the first place. These are working people who had already purchased healthcare insurance they could afford in case they were injured or fell catastrophically ill.

They face the very real possibility of finding that, despite their best efforts, and through no fault of their own, they may fall ill or be injured on or after January 1st and have no insurance coverage to pay for their medical care.

But beyond that, there is the bone cracking stress that these people and their loved ones are needlessly and recklessly being subjected to all in the name of Obama’s ‘signature achievement’.

For a president to subject the American people to this needless, and thus far merciless, suffering in order to promote his own ‘legacy’ is beyond reprehensible. It is contemptible.

These working Americans find themselves held hostage by their own president. And they will be joined by every increasing numbers of their fellow working Americans.

FREE THE MILLIONS HELD HOSTAGE TO OBAMACARE!

REPEAL OBAMACARE NOW!

thatsafactjack on November 14, 2013 at 4:53 PM

So, POTUS just got b!tch slapped by a state insurance commissioner.

Awesome…

JohnGalt23 on November 14, 2013 at 4:53 PM

In Washington we already had pretty strict rules for health insurance (pre-existing, have to buy stuff you’ll never use, etc.), so I really don’t know how many policies/people Kreidler is talking about. It may not be as big an issue here as other states.

29Victor on November 14, 2013 at 4:54 PM

Two points:

1. The President unconstitutionally grabbed legislative power to rewrite the law as he sees fit over these last three years, what with all his “executive” actions allowing free passes and “delays” and what-not.

That illegal grab at legislative autthority doesn’t extend to the Washington State insurance commissioner. Either Congress writes federal law or they don’t, but pretty clearly the Washington regulators don’t. We fought a civil war in part over nullification, so the commissioner can just go pound sand– they wwill do what they’re told on this federal law.

2. Keith Hennessey makes an excellent point: the President’s dithering now makes it essentially a zero chance anyone will buy anything at the Healthcare.gov web site. Why would they, when the whole market is in chaos? Traffic at the site just disappeared.

MTF on November 14, 2013 at 4:54 PM

I believe his golfing buddies are going to start scrutinizing his score card more closely going forward. A guy with his lack of scruples might even be inclined to mark down a birdie instead of a triple bogey!!

Deano1952 on November 14, 2013 at 4:55 PM

Well, what do you expect from a deep, deep red state like Washington. Oh wait…

Kafir on November 14, 2013 at 4:55 PM

Abandon Ship! Its every man for himself! Swim to the right if you can!

BobMbx on November 14, 2013 at 4:35 PM

The USS CostaConcordiaCare

Resist We Much on November 14, 2013 at 4:55 PM

Since this is pretty much on topic and stirring thought elsewhere:

An open letter to the insurance executives:

Dear scum sucking rats,

It is unclear how you thought raping and pillaging the American public via Obamacare was going to be meekly accepted by the public.

With regard to your cancellation policies and the “approved” 2014 rates & plans; please take hard copies of these items, fold them into pointy little stars and SHOVE them where the “moon don’t shine”.

It is a virtual certainty that Obamacare (see raping and pillaging above) will be REPEALED by a veto proof majority of both Houses of Congress before the end of this calendar year.

Since this will result in ZERO additional signups for the “Generational Theft” plan you were counting on being forced down the throats of millions of young, single males and the “Impaling With High Deductibles & Premiums” plan you were counting on everyone else having forcibly put in place as a suppository; I suggest in the strongest possible terms you begin working 24/7 to either reinstate ALL cancelled policies or find ways to issue new and cheaper policies in place of the cancelled policies by January 1, 2014.

This advice is offered as an enouragement to FOCUS on your fiduciary responsibilities to your shareholders. The shareholders are NOT interested in your WHINING to the media. The shareholders are only interested in the share price and the dividends they receive.

If you choose not to take this advice, you really should plan on relocating to the Tora Bora region of Afghanistan before the end of the year.

The shareholders will ONLY make sure you are fired and tossed overboard without the usual “golden” parachutes.

The last time the American public was united by this much anger … well, who wants to be looking over their shoulder all the time for a Hellfire missile.

Best regards for each of you ending up being treated for syphillis at a free clinic,

PolAgnostic
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And to forestall some potential comments:

Please note the part of my open letter regarding EXECUTIVES fiduciary responsibility to their shareholders – THAT really SHOULD be striking fear into the hearts of the publicly held health insurance companies.

I have worked at the corporate level of a major multi-national firm.

Any proposals I made had to be justified on how they would directly benefit the shareholders.

Any problems I had … those were MY problems – NOT the shareholders’s problems.

When Obamacare is REPEALED, the insurance executives are going to have to FIX the problems.

Unless they are mind boggling stupid, they are already working on the AFTER repeal solutions.

And on the single payer nonsense currenlty being peddled:

“Single payer” is going to disappear as a bogeyman either in the near term or no later than next October. People have woken up to the fact that under Obamacare,

“You can’t keep your doctor.” and are ROYALLY pissed off.

Single payer translates into “You can’t see ANY doctor for 3 – 6 months.”

Any politician trying to sell that load of BS is going to end up wearing the latest in tar and feathers.

PolAgnostic on November 14, 2013 at 2:11 AM

PolAgnostic on November 14, 2013 at 4:55 PM

I’m lost. If the Federal government allows insurers to bring back those plans, is the Insurance Commissioner violating Federal “Administrative” Law by prohibiting it?

Dusty on November 14, 2013 at 4:49 PM

Obama’s announcement is pure lunatic BS designed to fool LIV’s

It’s unworkable by the Insurance Companies and the states.

What Gov. Perry said in his statement (posted upthread) is that Obama is telling Governors and state regulators to violate federal law because he wants them to.

Two states have already announced they won’t do that…And they are democrats.

workingclass artist on November 14, 2013 at 4:56 PM

I’m curious, and I do realize we’re now in a realm where this probably doesn’t matter any more, but does the Washington State Insurance Commissioner have the authority to prohibit it or does that require a Gubernatorial and Legislative authority?

Dusty on November 14, 2013 at 4:56 PM

I’m one of the 290,000 Washington State residents who don’t qualify for a subsidy but do qualified to get hosed. My premiums went up 70%. Yes, that’s right, 70%. The deductible DOUBLED. I want my old premium of $600+ per month back, because over $1,000 per month, for three healthy non-smokers one of whom is only 16.

Thanks, Mr. President!Smart power! Forward!

exliberal on November 14, 2013 at 4:56 PM

the timing of this chaos is incredible…just last week a girl here at work got me to buy some fundraiser popcorn for her kid’s school. I happened to pick bacon and cheese/jalapeno flavored. Supposed to arrive tomorrow.

DanMan on November 14, 2013 at 4:56 PM

MontanaMmmm on November 14, 2013 at 4:49 PM

I haven’t clicked the link, but….something tells me there’s an Alan Arkin/Peter Falk clip at the other end…..

Amiright?

BobMbx on November 14, 2013 at 4:57 PM

I’m one of the 290,000 Washington State residents who don’t qualify for a subsidy but do qualified to get hosed. My premiums went up 70%. Yes, that’s right, 70%. The deductible DOUBLED. I want my old premium of $600+ per month back, because over $1,000 per month, for three healthy non-smokers one of whom is only 16 is a HOUSE PAYMENT.

Morons.

(Sorry, lost my train of thought on the last post!)

exliberal on November 14, 2013 at 4:57 PM

i need to grab some more popcorn.. watching the emperor get de-robed is so enjoyable

gatorboy on November 14, 2013 at 4:37 PM

I’ll take “Depantsed” for $500, Alex.

Del Dolemonte on November 14, 2013 at 4:57 PM

I’m curious, and I do realize we’re now in a realm where this probably doesn’t matter any more, but does the Washington State Insurance Commissioner have the authority to prohibit it or does that require a Gubernatorial and Legislative authority?

Dusty on November 14, 2013 at 4:56 PM

Probably depends on the laws of each state.

workingclass artist on November 14, 2013 at 4:57 PM

Rush hit on this earlier today on his show…

… For the first time, Obowma is hearing the word “No!“.

He is not pleased…

Seven Percent Solution on November 14, 2013 at 4:57 PM

Politically a one year delay in existing healthcare plans cancellation is very bad for the democrats… Starting October 1 2014 the insurance companies will again send the cancellation plans to millions of people, just few weeks before the elections…

mnjg on November 14, 2013 at 4:58 PM

You should check out MSNBC’s Joe Torre’s comments. He say’s the only reason red state Senators want the Landrieu bill is because of gerrymandering!

I kid you not.

WisRich on November 14, 2013 at 4:58 PM

1. Denial
2. Anger
3. Bargaining
4. Depression
5. Acceptance

Can we just skip yo acceptance and admit it’s dead?

kcewa on November 14, 2013 at 4:58 PM

Wouldn’t it be great if every state insurance commissioner refused to go along, and said this:

“I took an oath of office to uphold the law. That is why I can’t ignore federal law and allow people in my state to purchase insurance policies that clearly do not comply with the law. No president has the legal authority to unilaterally suspend or delay the law. I take my oath of office seriously, even if the president does not.”

AZCoyote on November 14, 2013 at 5:01 PM

2014 Mid term elections Democrats platform.
This may not pass the Wasserman Test but never the less maybe true.

Was: I voted for the Affordable Care Act without reading it.
Is: I voted to impeach the Affordable Care Act creators and all those that lied about it.

jpcpt03 on November 14, 2013 at 5:01 PM

Amiright?

BobMbx on November 14, 2013 at 4:57 PM

If you like your film reference, you can keep your film reference.
You cheated and you know it.:)

MontanaMmmm on November 14, 2013 at 5:01 PM

I believe these State Insurance Commissioners are not defy Dear Leader, they are doing exactly what he wants them to do…He wants these policies to stay cancelled. That presser today was a clown car.

d1carter on November 14, 2013 at 5:02 PM

Two points:

2. Keith Hennessey makes an excellent point: the President’s dithering now makes it essentially a zero chance anyone will buy anything at the Healthcare.gov web site. Why would they, when the whole market is in chaos? Traffic at the site just disappeared.

MTF on November 14, 2013 at 4:54 PM

What happens to the hundreds of thousands of people that sucked it up and managed to sign up for Obamacare through a state exchange or the federal exchange, even though it cost more and generally sucked?

Can they cancel and shop for a better non-Obamacare deal? Do they get their first premium back? Can that contract be cancelled? Can they get their personal information removed from the highly insecure federal databases?

slickwillie2001 on November 14, 2013 at 5:02 PM

Abandon Ship! Its every man for himself! Swim to the right if you can!

BobMbx on November 14, 2013 at 4:35 PM

SERPENTINE!

MontanaMmmm on November 14, 2013 at 4:49 PM


ROFL!
I LOVE that movie.

PolAgnostic on November 14, 2013 at 5:02 PM

Can we just skip yo acceptance and admit it’s dead?

Excellent idea. I expect we will see the first Democrat introduce a full repeal bill before the close of business next Friday. Initially, I said tomorrow but upon reflection I concluded Democrats just can’t move that fast.

MTF on November 14, 2013 at 5:03 PM

Obama health care law
2m
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House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer, D-Md., on Rep. Fred Upton, R-Mich., bill to fix part of Obamacare: ‘We may very well have an alternative of our town tomorrow’ – @ChadPergram
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Obama health care law
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White House says it is leaving the option open to extend Obamacare fix for canceled plans beyond 2014 – @Reuters

canopfor on November 14, 2013 at 5:04 PM

You should check out MSNBC’s Joe Torre’s comments. He say’s the only reason red state Senators want the Landrieu bill is because of gerrymandering!

I kid you not.

WisRich on November 14, 2013 at 4:58 PM

Joe Torre is HA poster lostmofo?

slickwillie2001 on November 14, 2013 at 5:04 PM

What happens to the hundreds of thousands of people that sucked it up and managed to sign up for Obamacare through a state exchange or the federal exchange, even though it cost more and generally sucked?

Can they cancel and shop for a better non-Obamacare deal? Do they get their first premium back? Can that contract be cancelled? Can they get their personal information removed from the highly insecure federal databases?

slickwillie2001 on November 14, 2013 at 5:02 PM

Chaos

workingclass artist on November 14, 2013 at 5:05 PM

We now know who lostmotherland is…

In response to the question ‘How do you think Ted Cruz became a Senator?’ one of Hot Air’s resident Progtard ‘scholars’ responded:

‘Gerrymandering.’

- lostmotherland on October 17, 2013 at 1:39 PM

So the State of Texas, IN ITS FVCKING ENTIRETY, is gerrymandered?

Gerrymandering only factors into House seats and state/local districts. And, of course, it is not limited to one party


MSNBC’s Touré: Red-State Senators in ‘Gerrymandered’ District

lostmotherland = Touré

Resist We Much on November 14, 2013 at 5:05 PM

The only “Keep Your Insurance” bill the GOP should consider is one that includes repeal of Obamacare. Otherwise, they’re just playing to lose on policy on politics.

besser tot als rot on November 14, 2013 at 4:43 PM

I’ve been beating this drum for a while now. It’s a perfect storm for the Rs. They can absolutely crush ObamaCare, and the nanny state, all in one fell swoop. And tie the Ds in knots, to boot.

nukemhill on November 14, 2013 at 5:06 PM

Politically a one year delay in existing healthcare plans cancellation is very bad for the democrats… Starting October 1 2014 the insurance companies will again send the cancellation plans to millions of people, just few weeks before the elections…

mnjg on November 14, 2013 at 4:58 PM

The WH would just unilaterally ignore federal law, and tell the insurers and employers (thats due at the same time) they only needed a 30 day letter…sent out on Dec 1. 3 weeks after the election.

They already did it once.

BobMbx on November 14, 2013 at 5:06 PM

I can smell the tort lawyers warming up in the bullpen now.

J_Crater on November 14, 2013 at 4:50 PM

They are already at it in California, where it is next to impossible for health insurance companies to comply with the combined federal and state agencies’ multiple regulations.

GaltBlvnAtty on November 14, 2013 at 5:06 PM

At first I was enjoying the Dem pain, but this is all our pain. I am not too bright, in this situation I would propose:
1. Get a job, earn money, buy insurance if you think that is the right option for you.
1a. As an aside, some jobs may want to offer health insurance as an incentive to their workers.
2. If you don’t work and get sick/have an accident, go to an emergency room or immediate care clinic. They will treat you and send you a bill. It will be large. Call them and make arrangements to pay it down/forgive portions, whatever. It is your responsibility to cover your expenses. Maybe a fiscally solvent government could offer some assistance.
3. If you have a preexisting condition which physically incapacitates you, or are old/infirm/indigent, maybe a fiscally sound government could provide some assistance to you. I am a compassionate person, as are most Americans, be they repubs or dems.
4. If you are able to work but dont care to, and expect someone else to pay your bills for you because you are entitled/a protected species/just special, and you get sick, and # 2 doesn’t appeal to you, crawl under a rock somewhere and die.

If health care is a right, which doctor is it that is obligated to use his expertise to treat me at my price, not his?

I need to get his number. I should know where my slaves are.

popup on November 14, 2013 at 5:07 PM

Guy Benson e-mails to note that both Kreidler and the Arkansas insurance commissioner are Democrats.
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Isn’t dat jus precious!!!!

canopfor on November 14, 2013 at 5:09 PM

MSNBC’s Touré: Red-State Senators in ‘Gerrymandered’ District

lostmotherland = Touré

Resist We Much on November 14, 2013 at 5:05 PM

You’re a treasure, Sophie.

Does Mark “the great one” know of your existence?

BobMbx on November 14, 2013 at 5:09 PM

another question: for those that go CPR their prior plan and give it life—they still liable for the taxapenaltypalooza next year? The party of unintended consquences strikes again?

hillsoftx on November 14, 2013 at 5:12 PM

The only “Keep Your Insurance” bill the GOP should consider is one that includes repeal of Obamacare. Otherwise, they’re just playing to lose on policy on politics.

besser tot als rot on November 14, 2013 at 4:43 PM

I’ve been beating this drum for a while now. It’s a perfect storm for the Rs. They can absolutely crush ObamaCare, and the nanny state, all in one fell swoop. And tie the Ds in knots, to boot.

nukemhill on November 14, 2013 at 5:06 PM

That is the Ted Cruz plan, he will fight the left and the RINO’s with one hand tied behind his back…..

His dad can go kick the communists in the balls.

redguy on November 14, 2013 at 5:12 PM

ObamaCare Killed My Brother in Law

Murphy9 on November 14, 2013 at 5:13 PM

HAHAHA…well that “fix” lasted all of about 2 hours!

What are the odds we get another Obama conference tomorrow for Plan B, er C, um D, wait, what revision are we on now?

nextgen_repub on November 14, 2013 at 5:13 PM

I’ve been beating this drum for a while now. It’s a perfect storm for the Rs. They can absolutely crush ObamaCare, and the nanny state, all in one fell swoop. And tie the Ds in knots, to boot.

nukemhill on November 14, 2013 at 5:06 PM

You’ve forgotten about the Nazgul`, haven’t you?

You know, Chief Justice John “Re-Writer of Laws to make them Constitutional” Roberts and his group?

Wait till they get to step in here and declare Obama as the Knower of All Things and Holder of The Omnipotent Reset Button.

BobMbx on November 14, 2013 at 5:13 PM

so these resurrected plans–they going with JesusCare or LazarusCare?

hillsoftx on November 14, 2013 at 5:13 PM

You’re a treasure, Sophie.

Does Mark “the great one” know of your existence?

BobMbx on November 14, 2013 at 5:09 PM

Thank you. I don’t know. Probably not.

Resist We Much on November 14, 2013 at 5:14 PM

Gov. Rick Perry issued the following statement regarding President Barack Obama’s announcement today on Obamacare …

workingclass artist on November 14, 2013 at 4:36 PM

And Perry is absolutely correct. Obama has no legal authority to force states to ignore federal law.

Pork-Chop on November 14, 2013 at 5:14 PM

How does Obama sleep at night???…

PatriotRider on November 14, 2013 at 4:36 PM

Inside a burka, sitting on a chair :O

burrata on November 14, 2013 at 4:48 PM

:O

onomo on November 14, 2013 at 5:14 PM

This insurance commissioner simply does not understand obama’s point. obama wants instability in all major American markets.

GaltBlvnAtty on November 14, 2013 at 5:15 PM

lostmotherland = Touré

Resist We Much on November 14, 2013 at 5:05 PM

Explains a lot.

Del Dolemonte on November 14, 2013 at 5:15 PM

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