Survey of small-to-medium-sized businesses – ObamaCare already costing full-time jobs, employee pay

posted at 6:51 pm on November 13, 2013 by Steve Eggleston

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce and the International Franchise Association commissioned Public Opinion Strategies to conduct a poll of decision-makers at businesses, both franchise-owned and non-franchise-owned with 40 to 500 employees. The 414 surveyed, representative of the employers of over 25% of the populace and the group of employers most affected by the provisions of ObamaCare, give lie to the administration’s claim that ObamaCare will not negatively affect, and is not already negatively affecting, the job market:

- Many businesses are already seeing their health care costs increasing because of the law. To cope, 31% of franchise and 12% of non-franchise businesses have already reduced worker hours, a full year before the employer mandate goes into effect.

- Additionally, 27% of franchise and 12% of non-franchise businesses have already replaced full-time workers with part-time employees. Other cost control methods cited by survey participants included hiring only temporary help and cutting benefits and bonuses.

When those with between 40 and 70 employees were asked about the 50 full-time-equivalent cutoff between having to offer those working at least 30 hours per week health insurance and not having to offer those employees health insurance, a majority plan to ensure they either remain below or drop below that threshhold by 2015.

It is not as though these business owners and human resource directors really want to do this. Quoting a Quick Serve Restaurant owner from Kansas:

“The workforce, the backbone of the people here, are the hourly people. They rely on a forty-hour week. You take ten hours away, that’s going to kill people. But I guarantee you that more companies and corporations will do just that because that’s the loophole that is in there. It’s not a win-win. Having everyone insured is a great idea, but this is the wrong way of going about doing it.”

The biggest shock to those employees, however, is still down the road, delayed a year by the administrative delay in the employer mandate to provide health insurance. Among the 208 franchise-owned business stakeholders surveyed, 28% of them expect to drop health insurance coverage between now and the end of 2014, which means 60% of franchise-owned small-to-medium-sized businesses will not be offering health insurance when the employer portion of ObamaCare is fully in effect.

A similar situation faces the employees of non-franchise owned businesses. 28% of those businesses also are expecting to drop health insurance coverage between now and the end of 2014, which means 37% of small-to-medium-sized businesses will not be offering health insurance come 2015.

Michael Ramirez was more right than he knew when he penned the limitation to President Barack Obama’s infamous “If you like your plan” series of shattered promises:

Ramirez OCare Period


Related Posts:

Breaking on Hot Air

Blowback

Note from Hot Air management: This section is for comments from Hot Air's community of registered readers. Please don't assume that Hot Air management agrees with or otherwise endorses any particular comment just because we let it stand. A reminder: Anyone who fails to comply with our terms of use may lose their posting privilege.

Trackbacks/Pings

Trackback URL

Comments

Clusterfcuk…

OmahaConservative on November 13, 2013 at 6:52 PM

Good thing that the college hoops season is here. Obama can start working on his bracket instead of worrying about this.

kcewa on November 13, 2013 at 6:56 PM

Too bad nobody warned them about all this.

squint on November 13, 2013 at 7:00 PM

Good thing that the college hoops season is here. Obama can start working on his bracket instead of worrying about this.

kcewa on November 13, 2013 at 6:56 PM

Speaking of that, I doubt Florida is going to be back at the Pit of Despair, otherwise known as the Kohl Center, anytime soon. That’s where ranked teams go to lose to the Wisconsin Badgers.

Steve Eggleston on November 13, 2013 at 7:03 PM

Clusterfcuk…

OmahaConservative on November 13, 2013 at 6:52 PM

It is now known as Clusterfluke.

Stoicpatriot says this is awesome for America.
/

CWchangedhisNicagain on November 13, 2013 at 7:04 PM

FUtotheBar

bazil9 on November 13, 2013 at 7:05 PM

Obamacare defenders will say that small businesses won’t be impacted by Obamacare because the Employer Mandate only affects companies with more than 50 employees. That is simply untrue. While it is true that the Employer Mandate only applies to companies with more than 50 employees, businesses with less than 50 employees will still see their premiums ‘necessarily skyrocket,’ which will leave them with a choice of dropping coverage altogether or terminating employees and/or cutting hours in order to continue to offer health insurance.

Resist We Much on November 13, 2013 at 7:06 PM

which will leave them with a choice of dropping coverage altogether or terminating employees and/or cutting hours in order to continue to offer health insurance.

Resist We Much on November 13, 2013 at 7:06 PM

Yes ma’am. My main bread and butter has been small business.
Some of mine are already dropping employer sponsored plans due to insane premiums this renewal year. They just can’t sustain it.

bazil9 on November 13, 2013 at 7:09 PM

btw RWM..missed you-glad you’re back and blazing!

bazil9 on November 13, 2013 at 7:09 PM

The original O Care law mandated a 6 month notification period before any Health Insurance plan could be cancelled. If that has not been changed or just plain ignored, we should be seeing mass employer Health Care Policy cancellations before the 2014 Elections.

Johnnyreb on November 13, 2013 at 7:11 PM

Liberals: Obamacare isn’t costing employees pay, it’s costing business money. It’s CORPORATIONS and GREEDY BUSINESSPEOPLE’S fault for changing their behaviors in response to the law!

HitNRun on November 13, 2013 at 7:12 PM

Liberal mantra: Owners of closely held businesses are greedy ba*tards who have no skin in the game and who built their businesses only with government help.

BuckeyeSam on November 13, 2013 at 7:18 PM

Obamacare defenders will say that small businesses won’t be impacted by Obamacare because the Employer Mandate only affects companies with more than 50 employees. That is simply untrue. While it is true that the Employer Mandate only applies to companies with more than 50 employees, businesses with less than 50 employees will still see their premiums ‘necessarily skyrocket,’ which will leave them with a choice of dropping coverage altogether or terminating employees and/or cutting hours in order to continue to offer health insurance.

Resist We Much on November 13, 2013 at 7:06 PM

That would be mostly on the small-business exchanges that, on the federal level, won’t be open until the end of November and in states like Maryland, until well into 2014.

I wish I would’ve saw that a bit earlier so I could point more people back to Erika’s piece on that from last week.

Steve Eggleston on November 13, 2013 at 7:19 PM

“Junk” jobs?

Fallon on November 13, 2013 at 7:21 PM

Yes ma’am. My main bread and butter has been small business.
Some of mine are already dropping employer sponsored plans due to insane premiums this renewal year. They just can’t sustain it.

bazil9 on November 13, 2013 at 7:09 PM

Why am I not surprised at that set of data points (or as the presstitute organs would derisively say, “ancedotal non-evidence”)?

Steve Eggleston on November 13, 2013 at 7:22 PM

“Junk” jobs?

Fallon on November 13, 2013 at 7:21 PM

The same ones the SEIU wants to pay $15/hour.

Steve Eggleston on November 13, 2013 at 7:23 PM

‘If you misrepresent what’s in this plan, we will call you out.’

— Barack Obama, 9 September 2009 in speech on Obamacare before joint session of Congress

Resist We Much on November 13, 2013 at 7:24 PM

btw RWM..missed you-glad you’re back and blazing!

bazil9 on November 13, 2013 at 7:09 PM

Missed you, too. I took some time off to enjoy my Obamacare schadenfreude (and to shop – who am I kidding?)!

Resist We Much on November 13, 2013 at 7:25 PM

Juan Williams was at his liberal douchiest on Special Report tonight. It would seem that Republicans are only doing what they are doing in opposition of Obamacare to obstruct the wonderful work of the lazy stupid coward in the White House. Look for more of the same nonsense as Obamacare continues to collapse.

Happy Nomad on November 13, 2013 at 7:25 PM

The truly astounding thing about the Obamacare clusterphuck is watching and listening to liberal nitwits with no education or with women’s studies, LGBT studies, or some other multicultural-bullshite major expressing shocked disbelief at the events that are unfolding.

BuckeyeSam on November 13, 2013 at 7:25 PM

Steve Eggleston on November 13, 2013 at 7:03 PM

Great game last night wasnt it?!!! Im holding out for at least a elite 8 by Marq or WI this year.

watertown on November 13, 2013 at 7:26 PM

Resist We Much on November 13, 2013 at 7:25 PM

Good.
But good to have you back. Wasn’t the same! ;)

bazil9 on November 13, 2013 at 7:28 PM

The truly astounding thing about the Obamacare clusterphuck is watching and listening to liberal nitwits with no education or with women’s studies, LGBT studies, or some other multicultural-bullshite major expressing shocked disbelief at the events that are unfolding.

BuckeyeSam on November 13, 2013 at 7:25 PM

That reminds me – I wonder what that crowd would say if the GOP had proposed mandatory maternity coverage. After all, much of that crowd would seem to have little-to-no use for the bulk of it.

Steve Eggleston on November 13, 2013 at 7:29 PM

From St. Louis’s own Daily Worker, er, I mean Post-Disgrace.

As a small-business Republican, I am going nuts with a GOP hellbent on dismantling Obamacare. It is a well-meaning, wisely plotted plan. It is OUR plan, a GOP idea, which, like idiots, we now disown.

Our small business, a newspaper (OK we own a sliver of it, but it is a huge investment for us) will go nowhere without its experienced, well-connected crew of writers, sales folks. Obamacare allows us to negotiate for lower cost insurance previously available only to the Philadelphia Inquirers and New York Posts.

Try running an ad agency, farm, laser surgery center or eatery without good employees. Obamacare is a major help.

Steve Jennings • Kirkwood

Murphy9 on November 13, 2013 at 7:29 PM

The original O Care law mandated a 6 month notification period before any Health Insurance plan could be cancelled. If that has not been changed or just plain ignored, we should be seeing mass employer Health Care Policy cancellations before the 2014 Elections.

Johnnyreb on November 13, 2013 at 7:11 PM

The employer notifications to employees as to whether they will continue to provide coverage or not have to be sent by October 1, 2014, regardless of the size of the business, so that the employees will have at least 3 months to find alternative coverage if the business is going to discontinue. When Obama gave the employer mandate a one-year delay, they were thinking that things would be going so swimmingly with the sign-up and enrollment process, that would keep the employers from sending the bad news now.

They were too cute, by half since, when those notices flood in, in late September of 2014, the fit is really going to hit the shan. After November, there might well not be a single Dem Dog Catcher elected or re-elected, much less a Congressman or Senator.

This is why the Rs should offer a repeal and replace option, one that deals with the pre-existing illness and portability issues, and then simply vote “present” on any delay or keep-your-plan proposal. When your mortal enemies are drowning, you don’t have to throw the life savers all the way out to them, half way’s enough to show you care.

TXUS on November 13, 2013 at 7:29 PM

Murphy9 on November 13, 2013 at 7:29 PM

He’s probably one of those who abandoned the Missouri Senate race immediately after the primaries and before Akin opened his big mouth.

That is, if he’s not lying about being a “Republican”.

Steve Eggleston on November 13, 2013 at 7:30 PM

Clusterfarckdebaclenado!

hillsoftx on November 13, 2013 at 7:30 PM

http://obamacarefacts.com/obamacare-smallbusiness.php

Positive Effects of ObamaCare on Small Business

ObamaCare provides small businesses with affordable insurance options, cost assistance and increased buying power via the SHOP exchange (explained below). Since small businesses with under 50 full-time equivalent employees can use the SHOP to get better deals on employee insurance, but aren’t mandated to do so, it’s safe to say small businesses will not be hurt by ObamaCare, but will in fact benefit.

• The smaller the businesses the better the tax breaks.

• Businesses with over 50 full-time equivalent employees are exempt from the fee on their first 30 full-time workers greatly reducing the negative affect the law could have on businesses who just barely qualify as a large firm.

• The Employer mandate isn’t meant to hurt small businesses, it’s to ensure that companies like Walmart take a Shared Responsibility in providing healthcare access to more Americans.

• Small employers can see up to a 50% reduction in their share of the cost of employee premiums. The amount employers do pay is tax deductible and can be carried forward or backward.

• Small employers can offer better quality benefits due to the increased benefits, rights and protections offered by ObamaCare.

• Due to small businesses being able to shop for group health plans on their State’s Health Insurance Marketplace via the SHOP, AKA the Small Business Health Options Program, small businesses now have the same buying power as larger firms. Along with tax credits, increased buying power helps small businesses afford to provide benefits to their employees.

• All new “ObamaCare taxes” larger small businesses and higher income employees pay help to make all the benefits, rights and protections of the law possible including subsidized insurance for low-to-middle income Americans, small businesses, and Medicare.

Unbelievable propaganda!

Murphy9 on November 13, 2013 at 7:31 PM

The political equivalent of a mailroom clerk being given the job of CEO of the world’s preeminent corporation because he’s supposedly hip and has an acceptable skin color.

Great job, 52%’ers, you’ve proven to all your metrosexual friends that you aren’t racist….now what do we do?

Bishop on November 13, 2013 at 7:31 PM

He’s probably one of those who abandoned the Missouri Senate race immediately after the primaries and before Akin opened his big mouth.

That is, if he’s not lying about being a “Republican”.

Steve Eggleston on November 13, 2013 at 7:30 PM

He’s lying. That first paragraph is straight out of an OFA handbook. Actually I can’t say that for sure, but it reads like pure propaganda.

“I voted for Bush twice, but…”

Murphy9 on November 13, 2013 at 7:32 PM

That reminds me – I wonder what that crowd would say if the GOP had proposed mandatory maternity coverage. After all, much of that crowd would seem to have little-to-no use for the bulk of it.

Steve Eggleston on November 13, 2013 at 7:29 PM

Even more awesome, is under30 women can opt out of Maternity with a catastrophic plan, only 30+ mandated…how is that for some azzbackwardness…

hillsoftx on November 13, 2013 at 7:33 PM

Steve Eggleston on November 13, 2013 at 7:22 PM

I have been a broker for 13 yrs..
Lost 4 groups in Oct…
Vet clinic, Auto Shop,Manufacturing Co.,Plumbing Co.

EE counts from 10-30
They had large double digit increases and could not continue to
make the employer contributions..they decided to term their ER plan and let the employees go to O’Care.

bazil9 on November 13, 2013 at 7:35 PM

In the meantime, Fox will continue to make up stories about what folks have to pay or businesses being shut down.
(If indeed it’s all so bad – why do they make stuff up?)
 
verbaluce on October 21, 2013 at 12:59 PM

rogerb on November 13, 2013 at 7:35 PM

ObamaCare provides small businesses with affordable insurance options, cost assistance and increased buying power via the SHOP exchange (explained below).

Murphy9 on November 13, 2013 at 7:31 PM

That would be the SHOP that isn’t open yet on the federal level after being twice delayed. I wonder if, once it is open, it will end up working any better than the individual PlaceboCare marketplace.

Steve Eggleston on November 13, 2013 at 7:35 PM

Juan Williams was at his liberal douchiest on Special Report tonight. It would seem that Republicans are only doing what they are doing in opposition of Obamacare to obstruct the wonderful work of the lazy stupid coward in the White House. Look for more of the same nonsense as Obamacare continues to collapse.

Happy Nomad on November 13, 2013 at 7:25 PM

I saw that segment, too, and I honestly couldn’t understand Juan’s point other than to try to cover for Obama. If I understood him correctly, he was trying to concede the point that opponents have been making while also arguing that Obama was being honest. WTF?

Baier referred to Obama’s remarks at the Blair House gathering in February 2010–which Baier played for the panel last Friday–but Juan characterized it as some private conversation Obama had with Rep. Eric Cantor. This is Juan’s business, and he wasn’t aware of that clip. If I were Roger Ailes, I’d call Juan in to my office, play him the Blair House clip, and ask him how Obama’s remarks in front of a conference full of people and an audience watching CSPAN and Fox News constituted a private conversation. Then, I’d tell him that I pay him good money to be a passingly intelligent liberal dupe and that if he ever showed up for a segment that uninformed, he’s fired.

BuckeyeSam on November 13, 2013 at 7:37 PM

ROFL

http://obamacarefacts.com/obamacare-myths.php

ObamaCare Myth: The ObamaCare Website Doesn’t Work

Healthcare.gov has had some technical issues, so not everyone who has signed up and enrolled has had a smooth ride. However, many Americans have used the site successfully and did everything from apply to enroll in a plan in less than 15 minutes. Many Americans report better deals and better plans, while some report that their options weren’t as affordable. In State’s that set up their own exchanges you can simply sign up and not worry about it, if your State didn’t then give healthcare.gov a shot. You can also sign up for the marketplace by mailing in an online application (read these instructions first), get in person help, or call the 24/7 helpline (800) 318-2596. Learn more about other ways to sign up for health insurance.

Murphy9 on November 13, 2013 at 7:38 PM

ObamaCare Myth: We Need Less Government

Your preference as to whether or not you appreciate the need for the Government that our founding fathers saw a need for is irrelevant when discussing ObamaCare. This is an issue of “do we need healthcare reform?” not “do we need more government?”.

At this point in history, less government would mean undoing hundreds of years of progress and handing our country over to corporations. Regulations, laws and taxes are all very important to our every day lives. There is always room for reform and that is exactly what ObamaCare does.

ObamaCare Myth: Privacy / Freedom Will Be Jeopardized

The idea that ObamaCare takes away your freedom is a myth. It doesn’t make you do much of anything in regards to health care. The only example of freedom being restricted is the mandate to purchase insurance or pay a tax.

Despite these facts, at the end of the day, ObamaCare costing you your freedom is a Myth. You will most likely save money and have access to better regulated Affordable Healthcare. We will all have better preventive services and the security in knowing we won’t be dropped when we are sick or denied for a preexisting condition.

Murphy9 on November 13, 2013 at 7:40 PM

Small business. Business is business. Protect the bottom line.

Bmore on November 13, 2013 at 7:40 PM

The political equivalent of a mailroom clerk with an extraordinary ax to grind being given the job of CEO of the world’s preeminent corporation because he’s supposedly hip and has an acceptable skin color.

Great job, 52%’ers, you’ve proven to all your metrosexual friends that you aren’t racist….now what do we do?

Bishop on November 13, 2013 at 7:31 PM

FIFY.

BuckeyeSam on November 13, 2013 at 7:42 PM

Stoicpatriot says this is awesome for America.
/

CWchangedhisNicagain on November 13, 2013 at 7:04 PM

He’s got the solution – just raise the minimum wage – that will solve everything.

dentarthurdent on November 13, 2013 at 7:42 PM

Happy Nomad on November 13, 2013 at 7:25 PM

Dog Eater could be herding people into cattle cars and disappearing them into underground “showers” and Juando would enthusiastically comment that the trains were not only a carbon-neutral way to transport human beings but also arrived at the camps on schedule.

He’s a first-rate hack prig apologist for fascism.

Bishop on November 13, 2013 at 7:44 PM

I wonder if, once it is open, it will end up working any better than the individual PlaceboCare marketplace.

Steve Eggleston on November 13, 2013 at 7:35 PM

I am now calling it CostaConcordiaCare

…and, Bmore – the luv – is going to put the Obamacare logo on this baby and have a tonne of blue rats jumping off…

http://cryptome.org/2012-info/costa-concordia/pict35.jpg

Aren’t you, Bmore? (please)

Resist We Much on November 13, 2013 at 7:45 PM

I saw that segment, too, and I honestly couldn’t understand Juan’s point other than to try to cover for Obama. If I understood him correctly, he was trying to concede the point that opponents have been making while also arguing that Obama was being honest. WTF?

BuckeyeSam on November 13, 2013 at 7:37 PM

My favorite part was when Juan Williams actually made the claim that, of course, the rat-eared wonder knew all along that people would lose their insurance because “churn” was part of reform. But when he lied and said that you could keep your doctor he wasn’t talking to these individually insured but to the many insured through their employers! He shut his yap after Stephen Hayes pointed out that the employer mandate is going to lead to insurance cancellations too.

Happy Nomad on November 13, 2013 at 7:45 PM

Any small business that cuts hours or dumps employees into the exchanges are doing it to survive.It’s good business.A business pays enough into the kitty now.Why pay most of what you earn taking care of everyone else?If I had a business and made those moves I could care less what the left called me.

docflash on November 13, 2013 at 7:47 PM

I am now calling it CostaConcordiaCare…

Resist We Much on November 13, 2013 at 7:45 PM

If we’re going the shipwreck route, I’m a bit more partial to AndreaDoriaCare – after all, it wasn’t refloated to be taken to the scrapper.

Steve Eggleston on November 13, 2013 at 7:49 PM

docflash on November 13, 2013 at 7:47 PM

Yep!

bazil9 on November 13, 2013 at 7:51 PM

What’s great is that when presented with these polls numbers and this evidence, The Chamber of Commerce has vowed to destroy the Tea Party…

myrenovations on November 13, 2013 at 7:52 PM

Resist We Much on November 13, 2013 at 7:45 PM

Steve Eggleston on November 13, 2013 at 7:49 PM

SS Normandie would be the closest example.

cozmo on November 13, 2013 at 7:55 PM

Steve Eggleston on November 13, 2013 at 7:49 PM

Yeah, but the Andrea Doria was not at fault in the accident (the Swedish vessel was) and Captain Barack Obama is no Captain Piero Calamai. He definitely exhibits the same incompetence, narcissism, and chutzpah that Captain Francesco Schettino did.

Resist We Much on November 13, 2013 at 7:56 PM

What’s great is that when presented with these polls numbers and this evidence, The Chamber of Commerce has vowed to destroy the Tea Party…

myrenovations on November 13, 2013 at 7:52 PM

The irony wasn’t lost on me. The question is which is the bigger threat – PlaceboCare or amnesty.

Steve Eggleston on November 13, 2013 at 7:56 PM

Dog Eater could be herding people into cattle cars and disappearing them into underground “showers” and Juando would enthusiastically comment that the trains were not only a carbon-neutral way to transport human beings but also arrived at the camps on schedule.

He’s a first-rate hack prig apologist for fascism.

Bishop on November 13, 2013 at 7:44 PM

And the claim would be made that it was a minisqule number of Jews, Roms, gays, mental defects, etc. were being shipped off. Nothing to get excited about.

Juan Williams is the token liberal on these panels, I get it. But for God’s sake book Kirsten Powers. She’s attractive and makes logical arguments.

Happy Nomad on November 13, 2013 at 7:57 PM

SS Normandie would be the closest example.

cozmo on November 13, 2013 at 7:55 PM

Yeah, but the Andrea Doria was not at fault in the accident (the Swedish vessel was) and Captain Barack Obama is no Captain Piero Calamai. He definitely exhibits the same incompetence, narcissism, and chutzpah that Captain Francesco Schettino did.

Resist We Much on November 13, 2013 at 7:56 PM

Both well-noted, which leads me back to the too-oft-used cliche of the RMS Titanic.

Steve Eggleston on November 13, 2013 at 7:58 PM

Yeah, but the Andrea Doria was not at fault in the accident (the Swedish vessel was)…
Resist We Much on November 13, 2013 at 7:56 PM

Nope.

Steve Eggleston on November 13, 2013 at 7:58 PM

Too often is why it doesn’t work, but otherwise yes.

cozmo on November 13, 2013 at 8:02 PM

I am now calling it CostaConcordiaCare…

Resist We Much on November 13, 2013 at 7:45 PM

If we’re going the shipwreck route, I’m a bit more partial to AndreaDoriaCare – after all, it wasn’t refloated to be taken to the scrapper.

Steve Eggleston on November 13, 2013 at 7:49 PM

I’ll go with the Maersk Alabama; our health care system seized by a bunch of pirates.

kcewa on November 13, 2013 at 8:05 PM

Both well-noted, which leads me back to the too-oft-used cliche of the RMS Titanic.

Steve Eggleston on November 13, 2013 at 7:58 PM

True, but don’t forget that Schettino wrecked the ship when he was showing off to a Moldovan blonde. He wanted to show her the sights of Isola del Giglio so he ordered the ship to travel too close to shore in an area known for reefs and other rock structures that have caused other boats to encounter problems.

Resist We Much on November 13, 2013 at 8:07 PM

I’ll go with the Maersk Alabama; our health care system seized by a bunch of pirates.

kcewa on November 13, 2013 at 8:05 PM

With some nice clean shots to end the hijacking.

Happy Nomad on November 13, 2013 at 8:12 PM

The 414 surveyed, representative of the employers of over 25% of the populace and the group of employers most affected by the provisions of ObamaCare

It truly is a shame that they didn’t stop at 404 surveys.

Happy Nomad on November 13, 2013 at 8:13 PM

kcewa on November 13, 2013 at 8:05 PM

Sigh, y’all.

An over apportioned, white elephant money loser that ignored those in most need of its services taken over by the government then got really screwed up through government meddling and was deemed to be too screwed up to salvage. Learn history y’all.

We can only hope 0bamacare continues its Normandie parallel.

cozmo on November 13, 2013 at 8:14 PM

Who are you going to believe?

These lying, greedy, evil, crapitalist teabagging exploiters of the proletariat?

Or the esteemed and beloved 0bama, Wassermantest-Schultz, Pelosi and Bayam?

LegendHasIt on November 13, 2013 at 8:17 PM

And, Steve, Schettino abandoned ship and let everyone fend for themselves. He didn’t care about the death and damage he had caused. Sound familiar?

Resist We Much on November 13, 2013 at 8:21 PM

It truly is a shame that they didn’t stop at 404 surveys.

Happy Nomad on November 13, 2013 at 8:13 PM

Or gone on to 500 (the internal server error code).

Steve Eggleston on November 13, 2013 at 8:22 PM

And, Steve, Schettino abandoned ship and let everyone fend for themselves. He didn’t care about the death and damage he had caused. Sound familiar?

Resist We Much on November 13, 2013 at 8:21 PM

Quite.

Steve Eggleston on November 13, 2013 at 8:22 PM

Coz, the captain is the issue, not the ship.

Resist We Much on November 13, 2013 at 8:23 PM

Coz, the captain is the issue, not the ship.

Resist We Much on November 13, 2013 at 8:23 PM

Nope, the ship 0bamacare is what is important here. Remember, 0bama left 0bamacare for the true believers while he went and played a few rounds.

0bama is just the figurehead in this SNAFU. We are BOHICA.

cozmo on November 13, 2013 at 8:26 PM

dump obamacare and dump all employer plans.
make everyone pay for their own coverage. people expect way too many benefits for the services they do. employers should only provide a safe workplace and a paycheck. thats it.

dmacleo on November 13, 2013 at 8:35 PM

cozmo on November 13, 2013 at 8:26 PM

But, the reason that I make the analogy to the Costa Concordia is because of the captain.

The Titanic, for example, is considered to be a tragedy. The Costa Concordia, for good or ill, is considered to be a tragicomedy…because of its captain. At this point, I am laughing at the Obamacare disaster that is the result of hubris and narcissism…just like the Costa Concordia.

Resist We Much on November 13, 2013 at 8:39 PM

The Lying Sack of America strikes again!

Mason on November 13, 2013 at 8:43 PM

Resist We Much on November 13, 2013 at 8:39 PM

Just because the event is more recent, does not make it more appropriate.

0bamacare parallels the Normandie in too many ways. A conspiracy geek would have an orgasm. Government meddling at its worst.

cozmo on November 13, 2013 at 8:45 PM

Isn’t it racist to have Juan Williams tap dancing around Obamacare night after night.

Thank God for the remote mute button!

Dhuka on November 13, 2013 at 8:50 PM

Isn’t it racist to have Juan Williams tap dancing around Obamacare night after night.

Thank God for the remote mute button!

Dhuka on November 13, 2013 at 8:50 PM

Tap dancing? There is definitely a stripper pole involved.

Happy Nomad on November 13, 2013 at 8:59 PM