Panic: Infighting starts as Obamacare supporters beg Dems not to go full Landrieu

posted at 9:21 pm on November 13, 2013 by Mary Katharine Ham

You can find nary a Democrat to speak on the record defending Obamacare’s abysmal enrollment numbers, but reporters seem to be able to find plenty who will talk about each other and the president’s betrayal of his promise.

“Brewing revolt”:

Obama’s fellow Democrats have started to lose faith, and time is of the essence: The House will vote Friday on a GOP bill that would allow insurance companies to revive scrapped health insurance policies. Unless Democrats are certain that a remedy is on the way, many will be inclined to vote “yes.”

Even progressive Democrats and staunch allies of leadership had strong words for the White House officials dispatched to meet with House Democrats on Wednesday morning, according to sources in the room — and the White House is sure to hear another dose of angst Thursday, when aides meet with Senate Democrats.

“We’ve got a problem, and we gotta fix it, and we’re looking for what the White House response is gonna be,” said Rep. Peter Welch, D-Vt., who still hasn’t decided how he will vote on the bill sponsored by Energy and Commerce Chairman Fred Upton, R-Mich.

“I think in diplomatic terms we had a frank discussion,” said Rep. Jim Costa, D-Calif. “I think there was a lot of frustration and, in some cases, anger vented towards the White House for their continued ham-fisted approach. It’s not just their credibility that’s on the line, but it’s our credibility.”

“Why can’t we call people who know how to do these things, who do it for corporate America, and say, ‘We have a website, fix it?’” asked Rep. José E. Serrano, D-N.Y. “Maybe I’m being simplistic, but can’t we call Bill Gates up and say, ‘Take care of this?’ Or go to a college dorm and say, ‘You guys, you invented Yahoo, can you take care of this?’”

And that Nov. 30 deadline?

“Don’t come here telling us it will be fixed by Nov. 30,” Serrano said.

The few remaining Democrats in the House willing to speak out against an “If you like your plan, you can keep it” bill are stuck trying to explain how keeping the president’s promise by passing extremely popular legislation in the face of plummeting poll numbers is a bad idea while the most vulnerable Democrat in the Senate leads the charge on a similar bill:

At a post-caucus news conference, House Democratic Caucus Vice Chairman Joseph Crowley, D-N.Y., told reporters that leaders would be spending the week educating caucus members about how the Upton bill is just another Republican tool to chip away at the health care law’s foundation.

“My colleagues … recognize the sacrifices that were made by our caucus in the passage of this law,” Crowley added. “Democrats in our caucus were responsible for the passage of this bill … and we took a great deal of heat for it, but understanding, in the end, that what were were doing was in the best interest of the country.

“They are committed to seeing this bill through,” Crowley said.

There are a few ways caucus members on the fence could be won over to vote “no” on the Upton bill in addition to lobbying by leaders, who have not yet decided whether to launch a formal whip operation against the legislation.

Megan McArdle puts Crowley’s and the White House’s challenge in perspective as they try to convince vulnerable politicians to hold on yet again for this law:

But they’re so desperate to get on record as trying to help people out of the mess that is Obamacare that they’re willing to vote for any version of the bill they all roundly rejected in 2010, when it could have solved the problem. One option Democrat leadership might try to offer them:

Kaptur said that Democrats were also discussing with Simas what other vehicles could be used to let caucus members express their frustration without having to vote “yes” on Upton’s legislation. One likely option is a Democratic motion to recommit that would fail on the House floor but would at least put members on the record as supporting some sort of remedy for Americans who have lost their preferred insurance plans.

Costa, who said he was “seriously looking at” voting for the Upton bill, was unmoved by the option of a motion to recommit.

“I think an MTR means little,” he said. “The fact is, members want to be able to come back to their constituents and say, ‘I’ve tried to do everything I possibly can to allow you to keep your existing policies if that’s what you choose.’ I think it was said repeatedly in the caucus just a moment ago, it’s a matter of keeping one’s word.”

Sen. Tom Harkin may qualify for most clueless soundbite of the day, and that’s saying something:

Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Chairman Tom Harkin (D-IA) urged Democrats not to retreat from Obamacare because the “new value system” of making sure consumers are provided a basic standard of coverage is worth it. “To the extent that we start picking up on what Sen. Landrieu wants,” he said, “we never move to the new system.”

“We don’t want to continue those bad policies. People had policies that were good for them as long as they were healthy,” Harkin said. “It’s not even a short-term fix. It’s not the way to go. Let’s stick to what we’ve got. They’re fixing the website — people can still sign up with paper or phone … And it’s going to get even better. So I don’t see any problems.”

Ezra Klein begs for another suicide charge to save the law:

1. The Affordable Care Act’s political position has deteriorated dramatically over the last week. President Bill Clinton’s statement that the law should be reopened to ensure everyone who likes their health plans can keep them was a signal event. It gives congressional Democrats cover to begin breaking with the Obama administration…

4. The bill Landrieu is offering could really harm the law. It would mean millions of people who would’ve left the individual insurance market and gone to the exchanges will stay right where they are. Assuming those people skew younger, healthier, and richer — and they do — Obamacare’s premiums will rise. Meanwhile, many people who could’ve gotten better insurance on the exchanges will stay in bad plans that will leave them bankrupt when they get sick.
“I think it would be a real substantive mistake to do the Landrieu bill,” says MIT health economist Jon Gruber, a supporter of the Affordable Care Act.

5. Put simply, the Landrieu bill solves one of Obamacare’s political problems at the cost of worsening its most serious policy problem: Adverse selection. Right now, the difficulty of signing up is deterring all but the most grimly determined enrollees. The most determined enrollees are, by and large, sicker and older. So the Web site’s problems are leading to a sicker, older risk pool. Landrieu’s bill will lead to a sicker, older risk pool. Obamacare has provisions meant to stop an out-of-control death spiral, but higher premiums are a real danger. (For more on that, see “Seven reasons Obamacare isn’t facing a death spiral.”)

6. How much will premiums rise if Landrieu’s bill passes? No one knows. “It sure would be good to know how bad that problem is,” says Drew Altman, president of the nonpartisan Kaiser Family Foundation. “I don’t feel I know.” Jon Gruber agrees. “I don’t know how much higher premiums go,” he sighs. “I really don’t.” I asked Landrieu’s office whether they had any estimates. “We expect the impact to be very minimal as this bill is designed as a transitional fix,” says a staffer.

Meanwhile, who will speak for the enrollment numbers? No one, it seems.

Exit quotation: “To be completely honest with you, we had a difficult time booking Democrats to come on after those numbers were released, to have them come on and talk about fixing the problem.”

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“Why can’t we call people who know how to do these things, who do it for corporate America, and say, ‘We have a website, fix it?’” asked Rep. José E. Serrano, D-N.Y. “Maybe I’m being simplistic, but can’t we call Bill Gates up and say, ‘Take care of this?’ Or go to a college dorm and say, ‘You guys, you invented Yahoo, can you take care of this?’”

Ladies and gentlemen, an over-ten-term elected member of the United States House of Representatives.
KingGold on November 13, 2013 at 9:39 PM

If all those people came to DC it might capsize.

txhsmom on November 13, 2013 at 10:58 PM

Ladies and gentlemen, an over-ten-term elected member of the United States House of Representatives.
KingGold on November 13, 2013 at 9:39 PM

But he’s got that nifty little accent on his ballot line. That plays well in the South Bronx.

blammm on November 13, 2013 at 11:08 PM

“I think in diplomatic terms we had a frank discussion,” said Rep. Jim Costa, D-Calif. “I think there was a lot of frustration and, in some cases, anger vented towards the White House for their continued ham-fisted approach. It’s not just their credibility that’s on the line, but it’s our credibility.

I got nothin’.

Myron Falwell on November 13, 2013 at 11:09 PM

“It is said that despite its many glaring (and occasionally fatal) inaccuracies, the Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy itself has outsold the Encyclopedia Galactica because it is slightly cheaper, and because it has the words “DON’T PANIC” in large, friendly letters on the cover.”

“Don’t Panic!”

Del Dolemonte on November 13, 2013 at 11:13 PM

The tool Upton thought that forcing you to use only CFL lightbulbs was the right thing to do. ‘Nuff said.

bofh on November 13, 2013 at 11:24 PM

Fail. Faster.

faraway on November 13, 2013 at 10:47 PM

I read about the Employer fiasco in the Federal Register a week or so ago.

That’s why the Employer Mandate was given a delay:-) The R’s should be shouting this from the housetops.

bluefox on November 13, 2013 at 11:44 PM

A hearty “Get Bent” to all Democrats in league with The Lying Sack of America on this historic fiasco!

Mason on November 14, 2013 at 12:16 AM

Let It Burn.

Theophile on November 14, 2013 at 2:00 AM

Why are we bailing out the democrat party. No amendments to Obamacare – repeal or nothing – are these Republicans “leaders” idiots.

ArthurMachado on November 14, 2013 at 4:48 AM

To watch these idiot Dems in a tizzy…

I am now freebasing the schadenfreude.

Grace_is_sufficient on November 14, 2013 at 5:06 AM

This is all just theater, an act. I don’t believe dems have changed their minds about ZeroCare. They just want their constituents to THINK they are upset.

If they are willing to repeal Obamacare, then they mean what they say.

Repeal and impeach.

dogsoldier on November 14, 2013 at 5:20 AM

To hell with ‘em. They chose to vote on a bill none had read. They wanted to be on “the side of history”. Well, history has two sides: the winners and the losers. A cursory glance at how the whole thing was supposed to work was enough to reveal that it would never work as promoted, but they voted for it anyway. Obama’s lie was just bawdy talk. The nuts and bolts of the ACA were an amalgam or stripped threads and metric vs SAE that could never be successfully assembled and functional.

tpitman on November 14, 2013 at 5:57 AM

You went full Landreiu didn’t you? You never go full Landreiu.

(I refused to look and see if it was already used. :-) )

smoothsailing on November 14, 2013 at 5:57 AM

Obamacare is the biggest effin’ albatross I’ve ever seen. Wear it proudly, Dems.

John Deaux on November 14, 2013 at 6:11 AM

Granted the WH really screwed up its end, but it’s pretty rich watching Congressional D’s get indignant about the perfectly predictable results of a law THEY passed.

Chuckles3 on November 14, 2013 at 7:12 AM

“Why can’t we call people who know how to do these things, who do it for corporate America, and say, ‘We have a website, fix it?’”

You mean the 3% taking care of the 97%?

Those evil corporate raiders, asking them to bail out the failed government program…again?

First get on your knees and beg…

right2bright on November 14, 2013 at 8:13 AM

First get on your knees and beg…

oooops, Barney first in line…

right2bright on November 14, 2013 at 8:14 AM

“I won,” said Barry.

(5 years later)

“We told you so,” says Paul Ryan.

fossten on November 14, 2013 at 8:18 AM

You went full Landreiu didn’t you? You never go full Landreiu.

(I refused to look and see if it was already used. :-) )

smoothsailing on November 14, 2013 at 5:57 AM

I see a headline that says “Obamacare supporters beg Dems not to go full Landrieu” and for some reason, I think of this, even though the spelling’s slightly off (and, no, I didn’t look, either…).

jon1979 on November 14, 2013 at 8:28 AM

I read about the Employer fiasco in the Federal Register a week or so ago.

That’s why the Employer Mandate was given a delay:-) The R’s should be shouting this from the housetops.

bluefox on November 13, 2013 at 11:44 PM

Can you provide a summary? I’m not sure what you’re referring to. Did something change re: the employer mandate?

BacaDog on November 14, 2013 at 8:36 AM

All of this mess was predicted 3-4 years ago, but no one listened…now here we are…suck it up people…

PatriotRider on November 14, 2013 at 8:36 AM

Not just cancellations in the individual market, the GOP should start raising Hell about premium increases for all employer-sponsored plans. 20% at my work.

Twist the knife.

If the RATS try to blame the insurance companies, the insurance companies then have their “out” to drop out of the exchanges altogether.

Time for more hardball.

matthew8787 on November 14, 2013 at 8:46 AM

Saaaaayyyyyyy, does Senator Landrieu have a Facebook page that you Louisianans could leave some comments on?

How about any Democrat Senators up in 2014?

http://usconservatives.about.com/od/campaignselections/a/Democratics-Senate-Seats-Up-For-Re-Election-In-2014.htm

Vulnerable Democratic Seats

Alaska – Mark Begich won by 1-point in 2008 after Republican Ted Stevens was convicted of minor crimes just days before the general election. The conviction was later thrown out when it was later discovered that the prosecution had hidden key evidence that would have likely led to a non-guilty verdict. Without the prosecutorial misconduct, the US Senate outcome would have likely been different. Begich provided the 60th vote for Obamacare.

Arkansas – Mark Pryor didn’t face opposition in 2008, which was odd given the conservative tilt of the state. This will be his first time facing the voters since voting for Obamacare supporting most of the Obama agenda since. Democrat Blanche Lincoln lost by 21-points in 2010 after facing the voters for the first time and the GOP is hoping to repeat that performance against Pryor.

Colorado – Mark Udall won with 53% of the vote in his first contest and would be the favorite to win re-election. But there are a number of candidates who could make the race competitive for Republicans.

Iowa – Tom Harkin won by a healthy 26-point margin in 2008, but he decided not to seek re-election in 2014. Republicans have a fairly wide pool of candidates for a possible takeover.

Louisiana – Mary Landrieu has won election to the US Senate by an average of just 3 points in three elections. She remains one of the few Democratic senators in the south and – along with Pryor – will face voters for the first time since voting for Obamacare. Her blue-dog claims may be less convincing this time. So far, Congressman Bill Cassidy has has declared his candidacy for the GOP side.

Michigan – The retirement hits keep coming for the Democrats as sure bet Carl Levin announced he would also retire in 2014. Both the GOP and Democratic fields are wide open and each side has recent victories to brag about. President Obama and Debbie Stabenow both won the state in 2010, but the Governor’s mansion any many statewide races flipped to the Republicans previously

Minnesota – “Comedian” Al Franken won by the slimmest of margins in a highly controversial outcome in 2008. Minnesota has trended blue, but Obama did not run away with the state in 2012, having picked up just 52% of the vote. So far, the GOP hasn’t had much luck finding a candidate. Former Governor Tim Pawlenty and US Senator Norm Coleman have passed on a run.

Montana – Mac Baucus announced he was retiring after his current term expires in this red state. Now it is up to the Republicans to find a candidate who can put the state in the win column. Former Democratic Governor Brian Schweitzer would be the best hope for Democrats. Mitt Romney carried the state by double digits in 2012.

New Hampshire – Jeanne Shaheen is one for two in this US Senate race but won’t be going up for round three against John E. Sununu. Sununu won by 5 points in 2002, while Shaheen won by 7 in 2008. New Hampshire is very unpredictable electorally. So far, there is no clear frontrunner to challenge Shaheen.

North Carolina – Kay Hagan enjoyed upset victories in 2008 along with Democrat Governor Bev Purdue and President Obama. Obama lost the state in 2012 and Purdue didn’t even try to run for re-election given her unpopularity (Subsequently won handily by the GOP ticket). Polls show Hagan is upside down in job approval and she will see no shortage of potential opponents.

South Dakota – Tim Johnson is another “moderate” Democrat in a heavily Republican state who announced is retirement rather than face the voters after voting for Obamacare. Former GOP Governor Mike Rounds announced his candidacy and the state’s lone congresswoman Kristi Noem, who just won re-election state-wide by 15 points, is considering a run. The Democrats best (and perhaps only) chance at keeping the seat rests with former congresswoman Stephanie Herseth Sandlin, who lost to Noem by just over 2 points n 2010.

West Virginia – Jay Rockefeller has decided not to run for re-election, giving the GOP a decent chance at finally winning a Senate seat in supposed-to-be-really-conservative West Virginia. Congresswoman Shelley Moore Capito is running for the Republicans and very early polls have given her a healthy lead against potential Democratic opponents.

POUND THEM, be relentless, tell your friends, keep up the pressure.

PappyD61 on November 14, 2013 at 8:50 AM

Repeal or Nothing.
Republicans should insist.
We don’t want it “fixed”.

The problem is not implementation, or software, or details on grandfathering. The problem is that the government is tyring to take over a huge private insurance market and eliminate all price signals. This is a fundmetally flawed concept.

Haiku Guy on November 14, 2013 at 8:51 AM

Obama’s fellow Democrats have started to lose faith, and time is of the essence: The House will vote Friday on a GOP bill that would allow insurance companies to revive scrapped health insurance policies. Unless Democrats are certain that a remedy is on the way, many will be inclined to vote “yes.”

The Rules Committee should be meeting now, and the House should vote tonight. Accelerate the vote. Get the RATS on the record before they find out what the White House fig leaf cover will be.

This is exactly how Pelosi would play this if roles were reversed.

Hardball.

matthew8787 on November 14, 2013 at 8:51 AM

Alaska – Mark Begich won by 1-point in 2008 after Republican Ted Stevens was convicted of minor crimes just days before the general election. The conviction was later thrown out when it was later discovered that the prosecution had hidden key evidence that would have likely led to a non-guilty verdict. Without the prosecutorial misconduct, the US Senate outcome would have likely been different. Begich provided the 60th vote for Obamacare.

This guy and the Democrats are particularly evil on this one because it ruined the name of Ted Stevens (whose sins PALE in comparison to the DOTUS in the Oval Office now) and led to him leaving office in disgrace and smeared him before his death in a tragic plane crash.

Truly despicable.

PappyD61 on November 14, 2013 at 8:53 AM

I spoke to someone last night who insisted that the Republicans had never offered any solutions back in 2009, and that the individual mandate was a real compromise by the Democrats, but that the Republicans screwed it all up by not going along.

He’s a nice guy, but a true believer. It is for him, and others like him, that I want this law to go down in flames, and liberalism to be discredited forever.

Throat Wobbler Mangrove on November 14, 2013 at 8:58 AM

POUND THEM, be relentless, tell your friends, keep up the pressure.

PappyD61 on November 14, 2013 at 8:50 AM

Thanks for that info PappyD61!! Adding it to my collection. We’re getting so much “ammo”, a Secretary is needed to log it all:-)

bluefox on November 14, 2013 at 9:06 AM

bluefox on November 13, 2013 at 11:44 PM

Can you provide a summary? I’m not sure what you’re referring to. Did something change re: the employer mandate?

BacaDog on November 14, 2013 at 8:36 AM

I don’t know if they have changed the Employer mandate, other than the delay Obama issued. When I was researching the Grandfather clause changes in the Federal Register, I read further about the Employer Mandate, as I recall. Will see if I kept the info and reference it. I know the Grandfather clause started on page 35,000 + !

bluefox on November 14, 2013 at 9:10 AM

He’s a nice guy, but a true believer. It is for him, and others like him, that I want this law to go down in flames, and liberalism to be discredited forever.

Throat Wobbler Mangrove on November 14, 2013 at 8:58 AM

Not sure who you are talking about, but regarding 2009. I worked with a group and we fought every one of those Dems. I have files/folders full of info on the “blue dogs”, Senate Committees and votes. Even after this abomination was passed, there were several amendments enacted and passed. Most people don’t even talk about those. And yes I have those also.

Whatever any Democrat says now, is a lie. That’s all I can tell you.

bluefox on November 14, 2013 at 9:16 AM

Panic is not a strategy. However it is always an option.

BigGator5 on November 14, 2013 at 9:27 AM

the rats are in the process of self-destructing.
Let’s not get in their way…..

rodguy911 on November 14, 2013 at 9:28 AM

Obama’s fellow Democrats have started to lose faith, and time is of the essence: The House will vote Friday on a GOP bill that would allow insurance companies to revive scrapped health insurance policies. Unless Democrats are certain that a remedy is on the way, many will be inclined to vote “yes.”

Jerkoffs. They’re the ones that passed it, and now they’re running like hell away from it. Pathetic.

Ward Cleaver on November 14, 2013 at 9:30 AM

Some of the Dems are still in denial and they can’t hide their true colors, no matter what they are doing to cover the threats to their re-elections.

Even amid the ObamaCare website calamity, Landrieu said the healthcare law is “worth fighting for.” She added, “It’s important we don’t lose sight of how important this bill is for the American people.”

Begich told The Hill he was likely to support Landrieu’s effort to make sure no one had their health insurance policy canceled because of Obama-Care’s requirement that all plans offer a minimum level of coverage.

The Alaska senator said he’s “been frustrated from the beginning” about how Obama-Care has been implemented.

Oh, yeah. They are singing a different tune than when they voted for this back in 2009.

Own it Dems, own it.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/senate-races/190206-vulnerable-dems-scramble-to-keep-distance-from-obamacare

bluefox on November 14, 2013 at 9:31 AM

This is all just theater, an act. I don’t believe dems have changed their minds about ZeroCare. They just want their constituents to THINK they are upset.

If they are willing to repeal Obamacare, then they mean what they say.

Repeal and impeach.

dogsoldier on November 14, 2013 at 5:20 AM

Unfortunately, you may have a point.
Being 99% political the rats know that 6 months from now as they concentrate on amnesty the threat of 0″care spoiling their 2014 election will be just a faint memory.

rodguy911 on November 14, 2013 at 9:32 AM

Chew gum and walk the line at the same time.

As this fraud desolves before our eyes remember this, the R’s as in RINO’s voted down Ted Cruz etal on this just days ago.

They are still snakes in our grass.

Example ,, “comprehensive immigration reform” aka back door under the table amnesty hid in a bill that they do not let U.S. see or read.

As all of U.S. know the Senate bill sucks, so why did they put it up…? Most likely to make U.S. think one that just stinks is better than one that sucks.

Same bunch of low lifes are still in office.

Same greed for the wage slaves/new tax paryer ID remains.

In fact an amnesty just could be the revenge they will seek.

It is U.S. aginst this two party evil money cult.

ps

We need more troll post.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on November 14, 2013 at 9:39 AM

More fail please…

PatriotRider on November 14, 2013 at 10:06 AM

Great campaign slogan for GOP to run on:
‏@DanHannanMEP
Obamacare is becoming a political disaster even before it starts. Console yourselves with this thought, Republicans: you didn’t build that.

ConservativePartyNow on November 14, 2013 at 10:26 AM

“Back up that hill, Gen. Pickett!”

Akzed on November 14, 2013 at 10:29 AM

What’s most amusing about the professional politicians scrambling about amidst the clusterfark of the EpicClusterFarkNado, is that all of the ‘fixes’ they are proposing will not stop the pain and will not ‘fix’ the ACA.

This goes beyond trying to rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic as the bow slips under the water, it’s like trying to repaint the hull a different color as the bow slips under the water.

The President’s plan to administratively allow the ‘substandard’ cancelled policies, the one’s defined as ‘substandard’ by HHS regulations, to be renewed so people ‘can keep their insurance’ is little more than a desperate attempt to stop the bleeding. This will do little to make the exchanges ‘work’ or put sufficient bodies into the exchanges to protect the insurance companies. It also does nothing to ‘fix’ the multitude of other shoes still to drop in this clusterfark.

The only fix is to repeal and start again with measured simple steps to really address healthcare challenges using the free market – not the boot of the government.

Athos on November 14, 2013 at 10:51 AM

the plans are still in the computer systems and are programmed to terminate 12/31/13.

all it takes is a date change to 12/31/14.

they are all still in the computers it can be done.

gerrym51 on November 14, 2013 at 11:04 AM

BacaDog on November 14, 2013 at 8:36 AM

bluefox on November 14, 2013 at 9:10 AM

This article will best show the effect that Obamacare will have on the Individual and also the Employer Health Care Policies.

There are several “active” links within the article. I’ve read them all, including the Federal Register. This extensive info is what I was referring to as having read it before.

Also HA had several threads discussing this and I posted a lot of info on them.

Hope this helps.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/10/31/obama-officials-in-2010-93-million-americans-will-be-unable-to-keep-their-health-plans-under-obamacare/

bluefox on November 14, 2013 at 11:28 AM

Ron Johnson R-Wisc is also part of this bill under discussion.

Senator Ron Johnson (R., Wisc.) and Rep. Fred Upton (R., Mich.) have proposed the “If You Like Your Health Care Plan You Can Keep It Act,” with dozens of co-sponsors.

I couldn’t find any mention of co-sponsors on the bill outline, but this is the 2 page proposal.

http://www.ronjohnson.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/files/serve?File_id=4191e812-8148-41ea-856e-7844ba2f4bd1

bluefox on November 14, 2013 at 11:45 AM

the plans are still in the computer systems and are programmed to terminate 12/31/13.

all it takes is a date change to 12/31/14.

they are all still in the computers it can be done.

gerrym51 on November 14, 2013 at 11:04 AM

Don’t forget that the reason these policies were cancelled is due to the Mandate of the Obamacare LAW! So you think without some waiver of breaking that LAW, they will do this?

bluefox on November 14, 2013 at 11:48 AM

The only fix is to repeal and start again with measured simple steps to really address healthcare challenges using the free market – not the boot of the government.

Athos on November 14, 2013 at 10:51 AM

I agree. Too many are overlooking the fact that we are talking about violating the LAW in all of this. What they are proposing is not a “technical” issue. These same R’ & D’s voted to FUND Obamacare and against Cruz & Lee. Every Dem voted against S. Enzi when his resolution was up in the Senate to negate the grandfather clause. They are such hypocrites!!

The R’s now are trying to cover for these D’s. It’s no wonder that we lose elections with enemies such as these.

bluefox on November 14, 2013 at 12:03 PM

“Why can’t we call people who know how to do these things, who do it for corporate America, and say, ‘We have a website, fix it?’” asked Rep. José E. Serrano, D-N.Y. “Maybe I’m being simplistic, but can’t we call Bill Gates up and say, ‘Take care of this?’ Or go to a college dorm and say, ‘You guys, you invented Yahoo, can you take care of this?’”

Wow. Short answer: yes, you’re being simplistic. And no, we can’t.

There Goes the Neighborhood on November 14, 2013 at 12:03 PM

“Why can’t we call people who know how to do these things, who do it for corporate America, and say, ‘We have a website, fix it?’” asked Rep. José E. Serrano, D-N.Y. “Maybe I’m being simplistic, but can’t we call Bill Gates up and say, ‘Take care of this?’ Or go to a college dorm and say, ‘You guys, you invented Yahoo, can you take care of this?’”

Ladies and gentlemen, an over-ten-term elected member of the United States House of Representatives.

KingGold on November 13, 2013 at 9:39 PM

Somewhere, Plato is face-palming. If only we had a picture….

There Goes the Neighborhood on November 14, 2013 at 12:12 PM

PappyD61 on November 14, 2013 at 8:50 AM

Nice research on the vulnerable Senate seats, Pappy!

Based on what you wrote, it seems like Republicans SHOULD take AK, AR, LA, MT, NC, and SD, with possibilities in CO, NH, and WV. Winning the first six seats would give Republicans a Senate majority, but they need to field good candidates who have previously won elections, and avoid stupid mistakes a la Todd Akin and Richard Mourdock.

Any word on whether Mark Racicot might run in MT?

Steve Z on November 14, 2013 at 1:55 PM

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