Open thread: Sebelius to announce ObamaCare enrollment figures for October at 3:30 ET; Update: 106,185

posted at 3:11 pm on November 13, 2013 by Allahpundit

Don’t bother turning on cable news. She’s doing this on a conference call, not in front of the cameras, presumably to minimize the embarrassment.

And it will be embarrassing.

Sources told the Wall Street Journal last week that there were 50,000 or so enrollments through the federal exchange as of November 10, which, as Bob Laszewski pointed out a few nights ago, averages out to something like 50 enrollees per day in each of the 36 states served by Healthcare.gov. (Another 50,000 or so had enrolled on the various state exchanges at the time of the Journal report.) There’s no real suspense about the topline number; the suspense lies in whether Sebelius will offer any demographic breakdown of the data. How many of the 50-60,000 who have signed up are people with preexisting conditions? How many are low-income and need significant subsidies? ObamaCare will succeed or fail depending upon how many “young healthies” can be persuaded or coerced into signing up. How are they doing with that group?

ObamaCare supporter Jonathan Cohn says it’s time to start thinking unhappy thoughts about back-up plans just in case, as expected, Healthcare.gov isn’t ready to ramp up on December 1. None of the available options are good ones, though; if you missed my own post on “Plan B,” you can read it here. Even if they do get the front end working more or less efficiently, there are still back-end problems lurking:

Nijhawan also touched on a problem that has yet to be widely addressed. He said the exchanges that are expected to allow insurance companies to share information with the federal government are not close to being ready. Without this information, CMS would not know who enrolled in the plans.

“As soon as these enrollment issues get ironed out either by December or March, you have other issues relating to the back end, where there’s a lot of reconciliation that needs to be done between health care and CMS,” Nijhawan said.

When asked why these exchanges weren’t completed before the rollout, he said, “They were trying to desperately get ready for the rollout.”

It never ends. One other footnote about the enrollment data while we wait for Sebelius: Remember, their definition of what qualifies as an “enrollment” will include people who placed an insurance plan in their virtual shopping cart on Healthcare.gov but who, for various reasons, never actually proceeded to checkout. How many of those consumers intended to buy the plans but were sabotaged by a system glitch and how many had second thoughts after putting the plan in their cart and never intended to buy it at all? Watch Jason Chaffetz have some fun with the White House’s chief tech officer on that point at today’s House hearing. Exit question via Greg Pollowitz: Do Obama and Pelosi care whether House Democrats take a beating over this in the midterms? They passed ObamaCare knowing that it could mean an electoral wipeout. Why wouldn’t they stick by it now knowing that it might mean another one?

Update: The Journal’s sources claimed 50,000 had enrolled via the federal exchange and 50,000 on the state exchanges. They got the proportions wrong but the sum almost correct:

To put that another way, over the 31 days of October, each of the 36 states served by Healthcare.gov managed to enroll … 24 people per day. Not surprisingly, the federal welfare component of ObamaCare, which doesn’t rely on stone-age technology, did much better:

The target for total ObamaCare enrollments in October (not including Medicaid) was just shy of 500,000. They got slightly more than 20 percent of the way there.


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If you think you hate it now….wait’ll you drive it.

jaywemm on November 13, 2013 at 3:13 PM

Do Obama and Pelosi care

… about anything besides their own careers?

AbsoFLUKINGlutely not.

VibrioCocci on November 13, 2013 at 3:15 PM

Gad. My guess is 52,000.

LASue on November 13, 2013 at 3:16 PM

ObamaCare: Murdering hard-working Americans with a Federally-mandated draft of stupidity never came so easy.

Turtle317 on November 13, 2013 at 3:16 PM

If Obumbles and the evil Botox Queen expect an electoral wipeout then I hope they fish their wish.

MTF on November 13, 2013 at 3:16 PM

im going to parlay this ill take under 50k and a delay in indvidual mandate.

phatfawzi on November 13, 2013 at 3:17 PM

“Several”

mankai on November 13, 2013 at 3:18 PM

Whatever the numbers are they will say it is “encouraging” and/or “exceeding expectations”.

The Notorious G.O.P on November 13, 2013 at 3:18 PM

This whole CostaConcordiaCare clusterfark is the best thing that I’ve seen in politics in maybe my entire life.

lolz

Resist We Much on November 13, 2013 at 3:19 PM

On November 13, they finally have the figures for October?

Gosh, they should be doing all this on computers./

mankai on November 13, 2013 at 3:19 PM

They’re likely to top the number of luftballoons in the 80s song. So take that, haters!

Mr. D on November 13, 2013 at 3:21 PM

GIRD YER LOINS!!

Here comes the Mother of All Lies.

BigWyo on November 13, 2013 at 3:21 PM

Do they allow cheering and applause from the State Run Media on those conference calls…?

d1carter on November 13, 2013 at 3:21 PM

She’ll hold up a few fingers and that will show the count.

Unless she decides to flip the bird instead.

22044 on November 13, 2013 at 3:21 PM

“I promise you no one will be satisfied” with the enrollment numbers to be announced today, says @PressSec

— Mark Knoller (@markknoller) November 13, 2013

No, I’ll be quite satisfied with the numbers.

NotCoach on November 13, 2013 at 3:22 PM

The website will be fully functional for most Americans on Dec 1…………….?

d1carter on November 13, 2013 at 3:23 PM

Gosh, they should be doing all this on computers./

mankai on November 13, 2013 at 3:19 PM

Guess what the administration is now blaming for the capsizing of CostaConcordiaCare?

White House Now Blaming User Computers, Spam Filters For Obamacare Website’s Failures…

So. Pathetically. Lame.

Resist We Much on November 13, 2013 at 3:23 PM

“If we only get one person insured I feel we will have succeeded.”

NotCoach on November 13, 2013 at 3:24 PM

Guess what the administration is now blaming for the capsizing of CostaConcordiaCare?

White House Now Blaming User Computers, Spam Filters For Obamacare Website’s Failures…

So. Pathetically. Lame.

Resist We Much on November 13, 2013 at 3:23 PM

Wow.

NotCoach on November 13, 2013 at 3:24 PM

Gad. My guess is 52,000.

LASue on November 13, 2013 at 3:16 PM

I’ll bet its a lot higher – a total lie, but higher.
Remember they just redefined “enrollee” – and we know that was specifically in preparation for this.

dentarthurdent on November 13, 2013 at 3:24 PM

White house has announced they will now count every Google search for “obamacare” as an enrollment.

The Notorious G.O.P on November 13, 2013 at 3:25 PM

And it will be embarrassing.

You mean they can’t sell “eleventy million” enrollments?

Bitter Clinger on November 13, 2013 at 3:25 PM

Because they can’t be trusted I am saying the number will be 210,000.

crazywater on November 13, 2013 at 3:25 PM

Fox News has switched to a shooting at a school in Pittsburgh…..

d1carter on November 13, 2013 at 3:25 PM

Can’t wait for the Christmas dinner argument about politics this year. On the other hand, maybe I’ll just not say a word for the whole visit. :)

22044 on November 13, 2013 at 3:25 PM

Remember they are counting those plans in the Cart of those who visited…

d1carter on November 13, 2013 at 3:27 PM

Real question: Will any of the brave WH Press Corp ask her what % of the paltry signups were for Medicaid?

Saw Yahoo headline yesterday that the “early success” of ObamaCare was in signing up new Medicaid users.

Hucklebuck on November 13, 2013 at 3:27 PM

Uh, Prove it!

wait:

White house has announced they will now count every Google search for “obamacare” as an enrollment.

The Notorious G.O.P on November 13, 2013 at 3:25 PM

Priceless!

TerryW on November 13, 2013 at 3:27 PM

Considering they have lied until caught on every step of this monstrosity, anything they publish will be a LIE

sniffles1999 on November 13, 2013 at 3:27 PM

Bring tomatoes!

Herald of Woe on November 13, 2013 at 3:27 PM

Resist We Much on November 13, 2013 at 3:19 PM

Deja vu. It wasn’t that funny.

cozmo on November 13, 2013 at 3:28 PM

im also hoping they also announce the take over of best buy, im tired of best buy gouging me with their prices.

phatfawzi on November 13, 2013 at 3:28 PM

Bet they will say
they enrolled a bazillion folks and all is well all is well.

sniffles1999 on November 13, 2013 at 3:28 PM

What amazing things the federal government has in store for you all!

Good Lt on November 13, 2013 at 3:28 PM

Conference callers are getting a busy signal….

d1carter on November 13, 2013 at 3:28 PM

Do Obama and Pelosi care whether House Democrats take a beating in the midterm? They passed ObamaCare once before knowing that it could mean an electoral wipeout. Why wouldn’t they stick by it now knowing that it might mean another one?

So there is still no explanation as to who decided to give all those taxpayer millions to Mooooch’s girl friend huh ? And WHY ?

burrata on November 13, 2013 at 3:28 PM

E-chads.

CurtZHP on November 13, 2013 at 3:29 PM

Don’t bother turning on cable news. She’s doing this on a conference call, not in front of the cameras, presumably to minimize the embarrassment.

She doesn’t want any video of her saying this… because it would become a viral YouTube video.

ITguy on November 13, 2013 at 3:29 PM

106K

Resist We Much on November 13, 2013 at 3:29 PM

Remember, like her boss, she only lies when her lips are moving.

kingsjester on November 13, 2013 at 3:29 PM

Conference callers are getting a busy signal….

d1carter on November 13, 2013 at 3:28 PM

“The number you have dialed is not in service. Please hang up and try your call again.”

CurtZHP on November 13, 2013 at 3:29 PM

lololololol yea right

The Notorious G.O.P on November 13, 2013 at 3:30 PM

Resist We Much on November 13, 2013 at 3:23 PM

.
You will appreciate this bit of humour if you haven’t seen it yet. (Tweet edited for presentation)

@zerohedge

#ObamacareEnrollmentGuesses

Seasonally Adjusted: 499,999.5

Unadjusted: 49

PolAgnostic on November 13, 2013 at 3:30 PM

Deja vu. It wasn’t that funny.

cozmo on November 13, 2013 at 3:28 PM

It wasn’t supposed to be.

Resist We Much on November 13, 2013 at 3:30 PM

106,185 through Nov. 2…….

d1carter on November 13, 2013 at 3:30 PM

Guess what the administration is now blaming for the capsizing of CostaConcordiaCare?

White House Now Blaming User Computers, Spam Filters For Obamacare Website’s Failures…

So. Pathetically. Lame.

Resist We Much on November 13, 2013 at 3:23 PM

I thought you were gonna say it was too many marines on Guam.

mankai on November 13, 2013 at 3:30 PM

I blame Bush.

Good Lt on November 13, 2013 at 3:30 PM

That conference call number is for a KFC in Detroit…

PatriotRider on November 13, 2013 at 3:30 PM

PolAgnostic on November 13, 2013 at 3:30 PM

Snicker. :-)

Resist We Much on November 13, 2013 at 3:30 PM

Trinity is scheduled at 3:30. Confidence remains high, I repeat confidence remains high.

Oil Can on November 13, 2013 at 3:30 PM

How many paid?

The Notorious G.O.P on November 13, 2013 at 3:31 PM

106k “enrolled”

WisRich on November 13, 2013 at 3:31 PM

I thought you were gonna say it was too many marines on Guam.

mankai on November 13, 2013 at 3:30 PM

Close. lolz

Resist We Much on November 13, 2013 at 3:31 PM

31,709

PatriotRider on November 13, 2013 at 3:31 PM

Now lets see the breakdown.

WisRich on November 13, 2013 at 3:31 PM

She doesn’t want any video of her saying this… because it would become an AutoTuned viral YouTube video.

ITguy on November 13, 2013 at 3:29 PM


;->

PolAgnostic on November 13, 2013 at 3:32 PM

A cast of thousands dozens.

BuckeyeSam on November 13, 2013 at 3:32 PM

26,794 on healthcare.gov, 80,000 on the state exchanges.

Hot Gas on November 13, 2013 at 3:32 PM

Millions

faraway on November 13, 2013 at 3:32 PM

Oops. Only 26K through healthcare.gov

WisRich on November 13, 2013 at 3:32 PM

Because they can’t be trusted I am saying the number will be 210,000.

crazywater on November 13, 2013 at 3:25 PM

Good guess … but I think it’s going to be more like the joke numbers they used to announce for the number of jobs “created or saved” … so I’d tweak your estimate to make it:


213,832.8832

Taking it out to the ten thousandths proves that it’s a REALLY accurate number …

Actually, now that I think about it, maybe they will start talking about health insurance policies “created or saved” … Why not?

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on November 13, 2013 at 3:32 PM

WisRich on November 13, 2013 at 3:31 PM

Hers…or the numbers?

kingsjester on November 13, 2013 at 3:32 PM

106K

Resist We Much on November 13, 2013 at 3:29 PM


42 k

PolAgnostic on November 13, 2013 at 3:32 PM

Bring tomatoes!

Herald of Woe on November 13, 2013 at 3:27 PM

And popcorn.

onomo on November 13, 2013 at 3:33 PM

How many of those are medicare/aid?

Mimzey on November 13, 2013 at 3:33 PM

Sebelius: Doesn’t matter what she says or does at this point. Here’s why:

Lying liars spouting big lies to support a lie like ObamaCare is still ONE BIG LIE.

The numbers don’t mean anything now.

Turtle317 on November 13, 2013 at 3:33 PM

How many paid?

The Notorious G.O.P on November 13, 2013 at 3:31 PM

That’s what I want to know.

BuckeyeSam on November 13, 2013 at 3:33 PM

Whatever they announce, it will be straight-up, pulled out of their arses bull shit. Honestly, why would ANYONE believe ONE WORD coming out of the mouth of ANYONE associated with this regime? Believing their shit is what got the country into the mess it’s in today, and yet so many out there just want to go right on believing them. It’s pathetic to watch.

Rational Thought on November 13, 2013 at 3:33 PM

Conference callers are getting a busy signal….

d1carter on November 13, 2013 at 3:28 PM

Ok, that was funny.

WitchDoctor on November 13, 2013 at 3:33 PM

people who placed an insurance plan in their virtual shopping cart on Healthcare.gov but who, for various reasons, never actually proceeded to checkout.

It’s like a car salesman counting a sale from a potential buyer who just said “let me think about it, I might be back.”

tommer74 on November 13, 2013 at 3:34 PM

Whatever. What are those numbers? How many cancelled? How many for Medicaid? How many healthy young-uns?

What’s the cost in our freedom?

freedomfirst on November 13, 2013 at 3:34 PM

Remember, their definition of what qualifies as an “enrollment” will include people who placed an insurance plan in their virtual shopping cart on Healthcare.gov but who, for various reasons, never actually proceeded to checkout.

I wonder if we will get a breakdown on those who actually completed their checkout – and sent a check to the insurer to pay for their premium?

Athos on November 13, 2013 at 3:34 PM

This whole CostaConcordiaCare clusterfark is the best thing that I’ve seen in politics in maybe my entire life.

lolz

Resist We Much on November 13, 2013 at 3:19 PM

CostaConcordiaCare… I love it!

Captain Barry Soetoro of the U.S.S.R. CostaConcordiaCare

ITguy on November 13, 2013 at 3:34 PM

26,794 signed up for private insurance through the website
396,000 are Medicaid or poor children’s medical insurance

blammm on November 13, 2013 at 3:34 PM

The House needs to do its job and get one of them to say that under oath that 26,000 people paid.

faraway on November 13, 2013 at 3:34 PM

106k from Ace. What I now want to know is how many are actually enrolled, or have stopped at the point of picking a plan. I’m gonna say only 10k enrolled through the exchanges. The other 90k+ stopped once they saw the pricing options. Regardless, cheating and still only getting 106k as a number is pathetic squared.

NotCoach on November 13, 2013 at 3:34 PM

106 thousand enrolled? And how many really enrolled? Are any of those for Medicaid? How about the demographics?

Doughboy on November 13, 2013 at 3:34 PM

Man, is Shep all excited! Did they cut into regularly scheduled programing on the networks?

Cindy Munford on November 13, 2013 at 3:34 PM

26,794……..

John and Jane Doe’s-17,493

KMav on November 13, 2013 at 3:34 PM

BREAKING: White House Releases Obamacare Enrollment Numbers, Only 26,794 Bought Insurance On The Exchange…

Resist We Much on November 13, 2013 at 3:34 PM

Boom.

Turtle317 on November 13, 2013 at 3:35 PM

That Doo-dad Pro guy sure bought a lot of insurance!

CurtZHP on November 13, 2013 at 3:36 PM

Socialism always fails.

kingsjester on November 13, 2013 at 3:36 PM

Lie to me baby.

Murphy9 on November 13, 2013 at 3:36 PM

26,794 signed up for private insurance through the website
396,000 are Medicaid or poor children’s medical insurance

blammm on November 13, 2013 at 3:34 PM

Dismal is too kind a word to describe this.

NotCoach on November 13, 2013 at 3:36 PM

ITguy on November 13, 2013 at 3:34 PM

Bmore needs to put an Obama logo on the boat…

http://cryptome.org/2012-info/costa-concordia/pict35.jpg

Resist We Much on November 13, 2013 at 3:36 PM

Of those 106,185, fewer than 27,000 did so via Healthcare.gov…

..and we still don’t know how many actually paid for their premium yet.

Compare this to the roughly 5 million who lost their coverages because of the lie – ‘if you like your insurance, you can keep it’

Athos on November 13, 2013 at 3:36 PM

BREAKING: White House Releases Obamacare Enrollment Numbers, Only 26,794 Bought Insurance On The Exchange…

Resist We Much on November 13, 2013 at 3:34 PM

Oof.

22044 on November 13, 2013 at 3:36 PM

Wendall Gohler on Fox says that with regard to the 106K they haven’t said whether they’ve committed by paying a premium or completing a sale.

The 106K figure sounds like the number of people who put the item in the virtual shop cart.

So what do we call this figure a la “saved or created”? “Contemplated or completed”?

BuckeyeSam on November 13, 2013 at 3:37 PM

I said before I thought they would be lucky to reach 10% of their 7 million goal. I need to revise that down to 5%.

NotCoach on November 13, 2013 at 3:37 PM

Those enrollees have either paid or………………..committed to pay the first month’s premium.?

d1carter on November 13, 2013 at 3:37 PM

26,794 on healthcare.gov, 80,000 on the state exchanges.

Hot Gas on November 13, 2013 at 3:32 PM

.
Well, we KNOW the state numbers include “expanded Medicaid” …

… which means the healcare.gov does ALSO …

… the real numbers through October 31st WITHOUT expanded Medicaid:

States: 19,000 Obamacare

Healthcare.gov: 1,850 Obamacare

PolAgnostic on November 13, 2013 at 3:38 PM

It’s actually 13,000 — and another 13,000 who then stole the identities of the first 13,000 and went ahead and signed up themselves.

Rational Thought on November 13, 2013 at 3:38 PM

This is so silly. I hate when politicians have to have a press conference for every stupid thing.

Blake on November 13, 2013 at 3:38 PM

Of those 106,185, fewer than 27,000 did so via Healthcare.gov…

..and we still don’t know how many actually paid for their premium yet.

Compare this to the roughly 5 million who lost their coverages because of the lie – ‘if you like your insurance, you can keep it’

Athos on November 13, 2013 at 3:36 PM

So that 27k number is still an inflated lie? Unbelievable.

NotCoach on November 13, 2013 at 3:38 PM

Of those 106,185, fewer than 27,000 did so via Healthcare.gov…

..and we still don’t know how many actually paid for their premium yet.

Athos on November 13, 2013 at 3:36 PM

What we do know is that every single one of these poor slobs just handed their personal data over to every amateur hacker in the country.

CurtZHP on November 13, 2013 at 3:38 PM

How many paid?

The Notorious G.O.P on November 13, 2013 at 3:31 PM

You ain’t getting that number.

That’s a state secret even the NSA couldn’t get.

Bitter Clinger on November 13, 2013 at 3:39 PM

Compare this to the roughly 5 million who lost their coverages because of the lie – ‘if you like your insurance, you can keep it’

Athos on November 13, 2013 at 3:36 PM

I wonder how many Dems are running like their pants are on fire at this very moment.

I’m sure it isn’t pretty.

Turtle317 on November 13, 2013 at 3:39 PM

So ,
no trolls ?
:O

burrata on November 13, 2013 at 3:39 PM

burrata on November 13, 2013 at 3:39 PM

Even the perfesser and verby can’t denfend this.

kingsjester on November 13, 2013 at 3:40 PM

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