Majority of Americans no longer see Obama as “strong and decisive” leader

posted at 3:51 pm on November 13, 2013 by Bruce McQuain

I’m not sure why a majority of America once did consider Obama a strong and decisive leader, but then there are a lot of things I can’t explain.  But Gallup’s latest poll makes it clear than President Obama is no long considered a strong and decisive leader, at least for the moment:

After six messy weeks — defined chiefly by the partial government shutdown and troubled rollout of the federal government’s healthcare exchange website — President Barack Obama’s reputation with the American public has faltered in some ways, but not in others. Most notably, for the first time in his presidency, fewer than half of Americans, 47%, say Obama is a “strong and decisive leader,” down six percentage points since September.

The current spin coming from the White House and Democrats says this is all a cumulative bump in the road that had to be suffered.  The disastrous ObamaCare rollout, the government shutdown, the perceived lie about keeping one’s healthcare insurance if they wanted it have all, as Obama’s favorite preacher would say  have “come home to roost”.

The question, however, isn’t when will this pass, but whether it will pass at all?  Is this just a bump in the road for the Obama team or is it the “new normal” for him?

There’s no question the trend in his approval ratings the past few months have been anything but encouraging.  One thing politicians have learned throughout the ages that they’re unlikely to keep their job if they lose the trust of their constituency.  There’s obviously very little reason for Obama to be concerned about losing his job, however, loss of trust now, barely into his second term, could mean his second term agenda is all but dead on arrival.  His desire to push immigration reform and climate change legislation wouldn’t even get our of the starting gate.  That’s because other politicians, the ones he needs to get the job done for him, will have no fear of defying his wishes and facing the wrath of the people.

So how has Mr. Obama’s trustworthiness done?  Not well:

Similarly, the share of Americans who view Obama as “honest and trustworthy” has dipped five points. Exactly half of Americans still consider Obama honest and trustworthy, but this is down from 55% in September and 60% in mid-2012 as Obama was heading toward re-election.

He’s at 50% and sinking.  And you’ve got other Democrats taking the lead in trying to fix the ObamaCare debacle while he seems to be doing what he usually does – dither.

The hit, then, to both his trustworthiness and decisiveness are a bit of a double whammy to his ambitious agenda.  And it may not be recoverable as Gallup points out:

Of more concern for the White House, Obama’s once-positive image as a strong and decisive leader has suffered, in addition to his longtime reputation for being honest and trustworthy. Of these, the decline in Obama’s honesty rating may be the most noteworthy because Gallup has previously found that this dimension is one of the most important drivers of his overall job approval. Thus, the recent controversy over whether the president honestly described Americans’ ability to retain their own healthcare plans under the Affordable Care Act could have the most significant implications for his presidency.

As Insty would say, indeed.  Taking hits in decisiveness and trustworthiness are not hits you shrug off.  They represent core qualities or a lack thereof and once lost, they’re very hard to regain. Mr. Obama is seen more and more to be  lacking those qualities.  That doesn’t bode will for him in the next 3 years.

~McQ


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It took long enough…

OmahaConservative on November 13, 2013 at 3:52 PM

Majority of Americans HotAir readers no longer never saw Obama as “strong and decisive” leader.

FIFY

VibrioCocci on November 13, 2013 at 3:53 PM

When was he strong and decisive?

myiq2xu on November 13, 2013 at 3:55 PM

Perception and reputation built on bullsh*t.

And when that melts away, whatta ya got left?

Greg Toombs on November 13, 2013 at 3:56 PM

Yeah, but he’s still cool, right?

Cindy Munford on November 13, 2013 at 3:56 PM

Wrong and divisive has always been more accurate.

Flange on November 13, 2013 at 3:57 PM

Very important

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Nothing will happen to you.

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2013 at 3:57 PM

OmahaConservative on November 13, 2013 at 3:52 PM

Are there no more meanie terrorist he can kill?

Cindy Munford on November 13, 2013 at 3:57 PM

He’s always been strongly petty and divisive. I’m sure that’s what they meant.

rbj on November 13, 2013 at 3:58 PM

Are there no more meanie terrorist he can kill?

Cindy Munford on November 13, 2013 at 3:57 PM

How many TEA partiers are there?

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2013 at 3:58 PM

I never saw him as anything but a vengeful Manchurian Candidate.

OldEnglish on November 13, 2013 at 3:58 PM

A year ago, Dems were gloating.

Now, they’re bailing.

Bitter Clinger on November 13, 2013 at 3:59 PM

Free the transcripts and admission papers Harvard.

Stop keeping Barky’s grades and set-asides hostage.

viking01 on November 13, 2013 at 4:00 PM

Still no post on Project Veritas’s latest expose…

Murphy9 on November 13, 2013 at 4:00 PM

I never saw him as anything but a vengeful Manchurian Candidate.

OldEnglish on November 13, 2013 at 3:58 PM

Indeed. The millions of fools just now wake up…proving why he’s there.

The world deserves him and the stupid land does too.

Meanwhile, all who use the word “schadenfreude” owe me royalties, except that, if you’re not a troll, you are friends, and it’s gratis :)

Heh, heh, at you media. I love your meltdown the most. It ain’t Beluga, you fools. May he suffocate you all, on the way to his final abyss.

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2013 at 4:01 PM

Strong and decisive? When was that?

driguana on November 13, 2013 at 4:01 PM

Some lefties are telling me that they would STILL vote for him, even after all of his lies, corruption, and glaringly obvious incompetence.

SMH…..

UltimateBob on November 13, 2013 at 4:01 PM

“Paid fainters disagree.”

– Candy Crowley, Obama 2012 debate team.

viking01 on November 13, 2013 at 4:01 PM

A super majority of real Americans never saw this most incompetent President ever as anywhere near decisive or a leader, the complete opposite is true… We have always seen him as the welfare queens agitator from Chicago who is not qualified to be a dog catcher in the smallest town in America and his only talent is to read a speech from a teleprompter and agitate the parasites against the producers… The majority of his voters are parasites and they are never to be considered real Americans…

mnjg on November 13, 2013 at 4:02 PM

The majority should see him for what he is, a charlatanic fraud and thug.

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2013 at 4:02 PM

obama left with the first children’s life-boat, compared to the real Titanic captain, who went under with his ship.

H/t RWM

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2013 at 4:04 PM

“For the first time in five years, I’m really proud to be an American.”

Akzed on November 13, 2013 at 4:04 PM

When was he strong and decisive?

myiq2xu on November 13, 2013 at 3:55 PM

On the golf course?

Steve Z on November 13, 2013 at 4:04 PM

Schadenfreude, you forgot narcissistic. Who thought he was strong and decisive ever? Just because the teleprompter says, doesn’t make it so.

COgirl on November 13, 2013 at 4:05 PM

Press and public: “Well OF COURSE we could always see he had no clothes. But SO MANY OTHERS said he did, and we didn’t want to make waves!!!” Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa…

Marcola on November 13, 2013 at 4:05 PM

fewer than half of Americans, 47%, say Obama is a “strong and decisive leader,” down six percentage points since September.

The idea that Obama is a strong and decisive leader is the worst joke in history of mankind… The vast majority of the 47% who considers him as such are low IQ parasites and they are never to be considered real Americans…

mnjg on November 13, 2013 at 4:06 PM

his longtime reputation for being honest and trustworthy.

LOL. That’s hilarious.

Other than in the fevered imaginations of his media cult worshippers, when did Obama ever enjoy such a reputation?

When he claimed never to have heard Jeremiah Wright’s racist, anti-American sermons during the 20+ years he attended his church?

When he claimed terrorist Bill Ayers (whom he served with on boards, and in whose home he launched his political career) was someone he barely knew, and was just some random “guy from the neighborhood”?

When his “autobiography” was revealed to be a pack of lies and full of fictional “composite” characters who never existed?

When he stood over the coffins of the four murdered Americans from Benghazi and blamed a YouTube video for their deaths?

AZCoyote on November 13, 2013 at 4:07 PM

I just want to know: who the heck are the 50% that think he is trust-worthy? Unbelievable. And 47% still think he’s “strong and decisive”? I’m just not getting it.

Alibali on November 13, 2013 at 4:09 PM

Don’t worry cons.

The adults are in charge.

Thank you Mr. Obama!

Murphy9 on November 13, 2013 at 4:10 PM

his longtime reputation for being honest and trustworthy.

Only to brainless morons.

CNN Calls Obamacare Enrollment Numbers A “Complete Disaster” For Obama…

Resist We Much on November 13, 2013 at 4:09 PM

Stocks of popcorn rising, exponentially. Schadenfreude, pure, at the media, first and foremost.

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2013 at 4:10 PM

Barky never was strong but he was stinky….

Plug the hole Daddy!
—-offspring of the Lightworker

viking01 on November 13, 2013 at 4:12 PM

These idiots are 12 months too late. Was it willfull ignorance? Was it blacks voting black? Was it due to the MSM and the Obama bunch deceiving the public? I submit it was all of the above. I sit here very smugly viewing myself (and the millions on the right just like me) as the smartest da-n people in the country. We saw what this snake oil salesman and his bunch of minions was waaaaaay back in 2007. Next year when the employer mandate on Ocare kicks in there will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth. I’d enjoy the schadenfreude except that I and my family will probably be victims as well. I’ve hated this REB and the Democrats for years. Here’s hoping a bunch of Dem low info voters have seen the light.

neyney on November 13, 2013 at 4:15 PM

Majority of Americans no longer see Obama as “strong and decisive” leader

How does that affect him and the Mooch ?
Will his vacations be less extravagant now ? Will Mooch use Parkay instead of butter to dunk her lobsters ? Will Mooch’s mom start paying rent for living in the WH ? AF-1 and the beast limo will still carry their sorry azzes around, parties will go on and wine will still keep flowing on our dime.
So , what difference at this point does it make to them parasites.

burrata on November 13, 2013 at 4:16 PM

Yeah, but he’s still black.

envycat on November 13, 2013 at 4:16 PM

What about “I’m really good at killing people” don’t you people get?

Fallon on November 13, 2013 at 4:18 PM

When your previous belief that he was a strong and decisive leader was based on…well, nothing, it falls apart pretty quickly when the evidence to the contrary starts to pile up at the door.

Rational Thought on November 13, 2013 at 4:18 PM

All those incorrect promises are starting to take a toll eh?

Murphy9 on November 13, 2013 at 4:19 PM

When it’s all speeches and having your butt kissed the world’s your oyster, but, as the saying goes:

Talk is cheap, whiskey costs money.

MarkT on November 13, 2013 at 4:20 PM

Obama has lied every time his lips moved. Only a compliant press has kept him afloat. FDR started his presidency at the same time as I started life. Never has there been a president that has misunderstood or hated the American way of life as Obama has. Also there seems to be a desire for “revenge” on his part. It is Obama and his administration that has split the nation. Can we survive 3 more years of this chaos?

Herb on November 13, 2013 at 4:20 PM

Say, what is the Russian, or, for that matter, Iranian, for “lying-a**, punk bi***”?

M240H on November 13, 2013 at 4:22 PM

I just want to know: who the heck are the 50% that think he is trust-worthy? Unbelievable. And 47% still think he’s “strong and decisive”? I’m just not getting it.

Alibali on November 13, 2013 at 4:09 PM

Well that Obamaphone lady comes to mind. Moochers, Welfare Queens, EBT looters of Walmart, Baby Mamas, AOL Daddies. The usual. Gotta keep that government check comin in doncha know? Otherwise how will they keep their cable, get their nails done, and go clubbin.

neyney on November 13, 2013 at 4:22 PM

pfft AWOL Daddie not AOL!

PIMF

neyney on November 13, 2013 at 4:23 PM

He never was but the morons that voted for him were too dumb and blind to see his lack of any character or leadership.

crosshugger on November 13, 2013 at 4:24 PM

Being on O-bot is becoming uncool — and since most O-bots were in it for the cool factor, Zero’s got a huge problem on his hands. He’s becoming a punchline, a joke. Razor blades to bumper stickers all over the country. “Voted for Obama?! Not me!”

Rational Thought on November 13, 2013 at 4:27 PM

Obama was never vetted he was made into an icon for Hope and Change and Cool. He was marketed and voted for like people texting their favorite American Idol celebrity, at most he was a figurehead for cool, for illusive fairness.

When he said nothing it was easy…vote present…just don’t enforce the laws you don’t like and say there isn’t the money to do it; make positive statements, but then you get on video saying nice things that you never intended…you can keep your plan…say whatever you need to sell it… and then suddenly you have a record and nobody likes it.

Fleuries on November 13, 2013 at 4:29 PM

Majority of Americans no longer see Obama as “strong and decisive” leader

If there ever was a majority that believed this then our country is doomed to descend into oblivion.

zoyclem on November 13, 2013 at 4:29 PM

Most notably, for the first time in his presidency, fewer than half of Americans, 47%, say Obama is a “strong and decisive leader,” down six percentage points since September.

Now where have I heard that 47% number before ?
;-)

burrata on November 13, 2013 at 4:30 PM

Some lefties are telling me that they would STILL vote for him, even after all of his lies, corruption, and glaringly obvious incompetence.

SMH…..

UltimateBob on November 13, 2013 at 4:01 PM

How many of them have actually admitted he was lying however?

99% of the Leftists have been calling what he said “incorrect” or a “broken promise”, but they would rather be waterboarded than to use the “L” word to describe their Cult Leader’s serial perjury.

Oh, and many of the other Leftists who do use the “L” word then simply excuse him; one I read actually said “he had to lie to get it passed but I’m glad he did.” He’s just sorry O’Liar got caught!

And plenty more are defending his Lie with a simple 2 word meme:

“Bush”

and

“WMDs”.

Yep, Bush is still living rent-free inside these folks’ hollow skulls. Amazing to watch unfold.

Del Dolemonte on November 13, 2013 at 4:32 PM

Yeah, but he’s still black.

envycat on November 13, 2013 at 4:16 PM

His white mother could not be reached for comment. Neither could his white grandmother. Both of them raised him.

If a Republican President was raised by a white mother and ended up at Harvard, the Left would call him George W. Bush.

Del Dolemonte on November 13, 2013 at 4:35 PM

I used to actually see “I Heart ObamaCare” bumper stickers on the way to and from work regularly. Not so much these days.

Akzed on November 13, 2013 at 4:35 PM

Don’t blame Obama. He’s just an introvert.

Attila (Pillage Idiot) on November 13, 2013 at 4:36 PM

And you’ve got other Democrats taking the lead in trying to fix the ObamaCare debacle while he seems to be doing what he usually does – dither.

That’s been the ‘decisive leadership’ style of King Barack since Day One. Got a major problem? IGNORE IT! If you don’t acknowledge the problem, then it’s not a problem!

GarandFan on November 13, 2013 at 4:37 PM

Majority of Americans are now racist!!!!!!

SirGawain on November 13, 2013 at 4:40 PM

Majority of Americans no longer see Obama as “strong and decisive” leader

Man, how could the majority ever see Dear Leader as “strong and decisive”?

For God’s sake, turn off the Honey Boo Boo, Comedy Central and the Duck Dynasty once in a while and visit some non-LSM news websites.

Dr. ZhivBlago on November 13, 2013 at 4:40 PM

What a bunch of racists!

jukin3 on November 13, 2013 at 4:41 PM

I doubt this is just a bump in the road. After all, Obama’s default position has always been to rid out any troubles and with the MSM covering his back that has always worked. But at the core of a “just rid it out” strategy is the belief that doing nothing much except mouthing more and more platitudes is enough. This time he’s promised to “fix” the situation. How does making another half dozen speeches on the subject “fix” anything? He’s been accused of lying, now he’ll be accursed of inaction, ineptitude or deceit. Where is the up-side?

Fred 2 on November 13, 2013 at 4:42 PM

There are people who once saw him as a “strong and decisive” leader?

Where do they come from? Pluto?

BabyGrace on November 13, 2013 at 4:44 PM

‘Toons of the Day: FUBAR’d

Resist We Much on November 13, 2013 at 4:38 PM

Is the 3rd one a picture of Nonpartisan.

RickB on November 13, 2013 at 4:45 PM

I hope he’s crying in a corner, shaking with narcissistic rage. Sorry Mr. President, maybe if you hadn’t lied to so many people for so long you could have pretended the fake adoration of millions of idiots made up for mommy and daddy treating you like garbage.

Have people learned that giving people with mommy and daddy issues charge of large organizations is not a good idea? We’ll see.

Eviva on November 13, 2013 at 4:49 PM

Not to forget this incredible moment in history.

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2013 at 4:50 PM

How is it a

perceived lie about keeping one’s healthcare insurance if they wanted it have all

? He told the “health care summit” in February 2010 (in response to Eric Cantor’s comments) that people would lose their insurance. So, as Cantor’s recent email states, “He Knew.” If you say something you know is false, isn’t that a lie?

OT: The absolute chutzpah of Dems saying that Republicans won’t help save this clusterfark! How about every Republican congressman (including senators) starting every interview with “We told you so.” Even the brain-dead who ever believed the Liar-in-Chief was strong and decisive (Syria, you morons?) could understand that.

He’s an empty suit that has never been vetted properly who wins by promising the 53% freebies. God help us. (And he is!)

Dan Tanna on November 13, 2013 at 4:51 PM

How long before Dems in Congress take a turn towards family values . . . as in, “I plan to spend more time with my family and will not run for reelection”?

rlyle on November 13, 2013 at 4:53 PM

I’m not sure why a majority of America once did consider Obama a strong and decisive leader, but then there are a lot of things I can’t explain.

They were told to think that by the media…They saw other people buying the product candidate…They felt good joining along…Despite evidence contradicting the illusion, they resisted any and all criticism, even self-criticism…

workingclass artist on November 13, 2013 at 4:55 PM

Harry Reid Forced To Call Special Meeting With Senate Dems Over Obamacare Implosion…

Indeed it is, RickB…

Whether you agree or disagree with the policy, you must understand his intention is noble.

nonpartisan on April 22, 2013 at 8:05 PM

Resist We Much on November 13, 2013 at 4:55 PM

There are people who once saw him as a “strong and decisive” leader?

Where do they come from? Pluto?

BabyGrace on November 13, 2013 at 4:44 PM

Nah…

Strippers are now dancers and tatoos are now body art.

workingclass artist on November 13, 2013 at 4:57 PM

I miss the trolls.

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2013 at 4:57 PM

Schadenfreude kitty going around…thank you, thank you…thank you :)

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2013 at 4:58 PM

Thanks to #Obamacare, more than 500,000 Americans have already signed up for health coverage. #GetCovered, pic.twitter.com/CZ6g95XLOK

— The White House (@WhiteHouse) November 13, 2013

Patently absurd.

Resist We Much on November 13, 2013 at 5:00 PM

Is Barack Obama the record holder for becoming a lame duck President the earliest in his second term?

Athos on November 13, 2013 at 5:03 PM

Still no post on Project Veritas’s latest expose…

Murphy9 on November 13, 2013 at 4:00 PM

Perhaps a link might help your cause.

dominigan on November 13, 2013 at 5:03 PM

How is it a perceived lie about keeping one’s healthcare insurance if they wanted it have all? He told the “health care summit” in February 2010 (in response to Eric Cantor’s comments) that people would lose their insurance. So, as Cantor’s recent email states, “He Knew.” If you say something you know is false, isn’t that a lie?

Dan Tanna on November 13, 2013 at 4:51 PM

It’s not just a lie. If people made personal decision based upon that statement, and their decision is now costing them, it’s technically FRAUD… which is a federal criminal offense punishable by up to 20 years in jail FOR EACH INSTANCE!

dominigan on November 13, 2013 at 5:06 PM

When one is buried this deep in a hole, it’s hard to see which way one needs to pivot next.

As always, the first and best rule around hole digging is to stop digging.

The second rule is to swallow one’s pride, and not only admit a mistake, but be prepared to fix that mistake by eliminating it – not wallpapering over it.

Only then can you start to climb out.

Athos on November 13, 2013 at 5:06 PM

Katie Pavlich ‏@KatiePavlich 11m

More people have applied to live on Mars than have signed up for Obamacare http://ow.ly/qNnby

And, remember, those trips to Mars are one-way.

Resist We Much on November 13, 2013 at 5:07 PM

Treasury’s Jack Lew says the U.S. economy is thriving

Perhaps a link might help your cause.

dominigan on November 13, 2013 at 5:03 PM

http://youtu.be/BUsUWFANPS8

Navigators counsel applicants to “just lie.”

NEW YORK, NY – Today Project Veritas released a new investigation exposing Obamacare navigators counseling applicants to lie about their income and deceive the IRS, commit fraud on applications by not reporting full health history, and more.

“This investigation shows just how vulnerable Obamacare is to fraud,” said James O’Keefe. “Taxpayers lose billions due to Medicare fraud and there is a clear possibility of billions more being wasted under a government-run health care system costing taxpayers $1.7 trillion.”

This is just the first video in a series of Obamacare investigations to be released in the coming weeks. The purpose of these investigations is not to advocate for defunding or the repeal of Obamacare but to expose waste, fraud, and abuse within the system.

Murphy9 on November 13, 2013 at 5:07 PM

Free the transcripts and admission papers Harvard.

Stop keeping Barky’s grades and set-asides hostage.

viking01 on November 13, 2013 at 4:00 PM

Another excuse Dems could use to abandon him. “We didn’t know he …… That changes everything.”

freedomfirst on November 13, 2013 at 5:19 PM

It sure took the “majority of Americans” to figure out what we’ve known for a long time.

sadatoni on November 13, 2013 at 5:26 PM

…No Shit?

KOOLAID2 on November 13, 2013 at 5:51 PM

Whatever his other traits it is incontrovertible that Mr. Obama is a lying sack. At least that hasn’t changed

Mason on November 13, 2013 at 5:57 PM

Media finds that polishing a turd for 5 years, you eventually have nothing but turd.

portlandon on November 13, 2013 at 5:57 PM

“Strong and decisive”.
Interesting … That description honestly never occurred to me.
I always thought that he was pretty much a turd.

justltl on November 13, 2013 at 6:06 PM

Oh Man… We seriously have 3 more years of this????

Varchild on November 13, 2013 at 6:06 PM

“That doesn’t bode will for him or the Country in the next 3 years.”

fixed

the drill sgt on November 13, 2013 at 6:19 PM

Still no post on Project Veritas’s latest expose…

Murphy9 on November 13, 2013 at 4:00 PM

The mainstream media finds Veritas so distasteful, so un-PC; the funny little man with the funny pimp outfit. He’s probably a racist too. HA is better than that.

slickwillie2001 on November 13, 2013 at 6:52 PM

The One has consistently been “strong and decisive” when the decision involved enabling something which does as much damage to America as possible.

Whether it’s Fast & Furious or Benghazi, his decision to initiate such actions, while not admitting they are even taking place, without any consultation, makes him the fastest gun since Matt Dillon.

Ditto on bans on energy development within the United States. Whether due to his being beholden to the deep-ecology left or his own primitivist Gaiaist mentality, he never hesitates to Executive Order an actual energy producer to be put out of business, usually by the EPA.Similarly, he is so quick to send “stimulus” money to grifters masquerading as “green energy entrepreneurs”, that if it were paper money the air friction would incinerate it.

The One saves his dithering for when he has a choice of doing something that would be of benefit to this country and its people, or doing nothing and letting both be harmed. This situation usually occurs as the result of a foreign threat he didn’t personally conceive but which he very likely assisted.

Which puts The One in a genuine quandary. You see, he hates us so much at a visceral level that he nearly has an “O” at the thought of being able to stick a knife in us and twist it.

But at the same time, his narcissism demands constant worship from everybody. Especially those he wants to grind under his golf shoes. (Their forced adulation is like fine wine to his warped and twisted psyche.)

To achieve this, he has to at least appear to be slightly on our side. Hence the filibustering; he hopes that by the time he absolutely has to make a decision, nobody will be looking. Thus, he gets to hurt us and keep the sycophantry going.

These characteristic behaviors (rapid decisions to harm, indecision in areas where the actor does not have full control, constant need for adulation and control of others) are typical of sociopathic personalities.

The One is essentially a con man and trickster who really, genuinely enjoys hurting people. He just doesn’t want to come out in the open to do it.

clear ether

eon

eon on November 13, 2013 at 8:17 PM

Maybe the Nobel people can start offering a ‘Fickle Finger of Fate’…

trigon on November 13, 2013 at 8:20 PM

That anyone, ever, thought that, blows my f***ing mind.

DrZin on November 13, 2013 at 11:29 PM

A majority used to?

smoothsailing on November 14, 2013 at 7:59 AM

47%? Oh, those must be the ones who brought the guns to the knife fight!

mel23059 on November 14, 2013 at 11:07 AM