Boehner: Let me be clear — we’re never going to conference on the Gang of Eight’s Senate immigration bill

posted at 6:01 pm on November 13, 2013 by Allahpundit

Is this really the first time that Boehner’s ruled out conferencing with Reid on the Schumer/Rubio plan? I could have sworn that he’s done it before, but maybe I’m wrong. He’s spent months taking baby steps towards a more cautiously conservative position on amnesty — first ruling out a floor vote on Schumer/Rubio in the House unless a majority of House Republicans support it, then ruling out a floor vote altogether, then dropping the subject of legalizing adult illegals and talking up some version of the DREAM Act instead. Last month, GOP Rep. Matt Salmon claimed that Boehner had taken the next step and ruled out going to conference on Schumer/Rubio. Not until today, apparently, did Boehner finally confirm that that’s true. (Actually, he says “we have no intention” of ever going to conference on it, which isn’t exactly the same thing. I don’t think he’s trying to be cute with his phrasing, though.) That’s a win for border hawks, as the great fear ever since Schumer/Rubio passed the Senate was that the House would pass something that’s tough on border security to impress conservatives and then quietly replace it with the Senate bill during the conference committee before passing the latter through the House. No chance, says Boehner. I wonder why he changed his mind.

Three possibilities. One: Rubio, who recently kinda sorta withdrew his support for his, er, own bill, gave Boehner the political cover he needed to kiss-off the Gang of Eight. If the most prominent proponent of comprehensive reform in the Senate says it’s a bad idea at this point then amnesty fans can go grumbling to him when Boehner walks away. Two: The politics have changed. Six months ago, after a bruising loss in November, the GOP was in full pander mode. Six months later, with Obama’s approval rating in the toilet and Democrats killing each other over ObamaCare, it’d be stupid to throw them a lifeline or to change the subject. Three, the cynical view: Maybe Boehner doesn’t need the Gang of Eight bill to make the GOP establishment’s amnesty dreams come true. He keeps talking up step-by-step piecemeal reform, but that can mean a lot of things. A lot of bad things, says Andrew Stiles:

But critics fear that the House leadership’s desired strategy is to introduce a series of individual bills (dealing with issues of border security, interior enforcement, guest workers, and citizenship for at least some illegal immigrants), pass them “step by step” with the full intention of cobbling them together into a comprehensive final package and potentially taking it to conference with the Senate. This concern has only been exacerbated by the leadership’s continued refusal to explicitly rule out this scenario…

As it stands, two pieces of (currently nonexistent) legislation are likely to provide the framework for a comprehensive reform plan that President Obama and Senate Democrats could ultimately accept: the so-called KIDS Act, which would offer citizenship to younger immigrants brought into the country illegally as children, and another proposal rumored to be in the works that would allow illegal immigrants to apply for citizenship through existing legal channels, which reportedly has the support of influential Republicans such as Bob Goodlatte (R., Va.) and Paul Ryan (R., Wis.). Given the furious extent to which big business groups are lobbying for an immigration-reform bill, and the GOP’s own political insecurities on the issue, it is not inconceivable that a majority of House Republicans could end up backing such a proposal, even if the conservative base revolts.

It’s nice to have the Gang of Eight bill off the table, but (a) realistically it’s been off the table since Rubio walked away from it and (b) don’t underestimate House Republicans’ ability to write their own terrible comprehensive bill. Two clips for you on that note, one of Boehner’s announcement and the other of him fielding questions from earnest young immigration reform fans at breakfast recently. He wants to get something done. Just not what the Senate has in mind.



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So next Monday then?

rogerb on November 13, 2013 at 6:01 PM

Good

CrazyGene on November 13, 2013 at 6:02 PM

If this holds, then Boehner will be deemed acceptable in my book.

ramesees on November 13, 2013 at 6:02 PM

Live it, or Nancy will take the hammer in Jan. 2015, fer sure.

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2013 at 6:05 PM

If this holds, then Boehner will be deemed acceptable in my book.

ramesees on November 13, 2013 at 6:02 PM

Same, if it wasn’t for the fact that he was conspiring with Reid (in “secret”) about not having congress be apart of ObamaCare…that still sticks with me.

Slimy is the word that comes to mind.

right2bright on November 13, 2013 at 6:05 PM

If the GOP had any brains/balls, they would avoid the phrase “let me be clear”

Jeddite on November 13, 2013 at 6:05 PM

I’ll go with door number three.

Steve Eggleston on November 13, 2013 at 6:08 PM

Two clips for you on that note, one of Boehner’s announcement and the other of him fielding questions from earnest young immigration reform fans at breakfast recently. He wants to get something done. Just not what the Senate has in mind.


Thank you for the update from the continent of Eeyore
.

PolAgnostic on November 13, 2013 at 6:08 PM

Now walk the walk.

In the face of the DeathCare debacle it would be stupid to talk amnesty anyway, everyone except for libfree and NonPee hate government more than ever right now.

Bishop on November 13, 2013 at 6:08 PM

Hallelujah!

Breitbart has been doing a MUCH better job reporting on this lately.

Thank you for the coverage now, Allahpundit.

It is appreciated.

bluegill on November 13, 2013 at 6:09 PM

However, at this point I’d prefer Beener just sit down, shut up and don’t interrupt the Dem meltdown over 0scare that is in progress.
Is Beener TRYING to give the Dems a shiny squirrel diversion?

dentarthurdent on November 13, 2013 at 6:10 PM

Usually when he throws down the gauntlet he is already on the phone to the other side telling them that he is totally faking it to get conservative cred for a few minutes.

astonerii on November 13, 2013 at 6:11 PM

Why do these elected officials think that they need to get ‘something done for the American people’? Please, you have done enough. Go away for a year or so, so we can forget you and the damage you and Obama have done to this country. Maybe without your interference the country can prosper again.

BetseyRoss on November 13, 2013 at 6:11 PM

Obama, Reid and Pelosi have more to worry about right now than a bunch of illegals demanding amnesty.

They don’t vote. YET!

GarandFan on November 13, 2013 at 6:16 PM

I vote enforce existing laws. #simpleton

hillsoftx on November 13, 2013 at 6:17 PM

Boehner: Let me be clear — we’re never going to conference on the Gang of Eight’s Senate immigration bill

If only.

Iblis on November 13, 2013 at 6:21 PM

Boehner: Let me be clear — we’re never going to conference on the Gang of Eight’s Senate immigration bill

If only.

Iblis on November 13, 2013 at 6:21 PM

Actually, it might be true.
It looks like they are planning to make a couple new bills that are even worse.

astonerii on November 13, 2013 at 6:22 PM

Passing illegal alien amnesty (euphemisms include “comprehensive immigration reform” and “pathway to citizenship”) would be suicide not only for the party but for the country as well.

Shame on any so-called “conservative” who supports this. Yes, I’m calling out pro-amnesty traitors and frauds like Paul Ryan and Chris Christie and Marco Rubio. Anyone who supports this is no ally. If amnesty passes, soon we will never be able to elect a conservative nationwide again. You can forget about Texas staying red then. Access will become like California.

And I’m also calling out disappointments like Ed Morrissey of HotAir, who also supports amnesty.

bluegill on November 13, 2013 at 6:22 PM

I am getting verklempt…

d1carter on November 13, 2013 at 6:22 PM

After amnesty, Texas would become like California, that is.

bluegill on November 13, 2013 at 6:23 PM

Boehner: Let me be clear — we’re never going to conference on the Gang of Eight’s Senate immigration bill

Thank. God.

Stoic Patriot on November 13, 2013 at 6:28 PM

Voters overwhelmingly reject mass illegal alien amnesty when they are told the truth. Don’t believe the lies that say amnesty is what the people want, and that we have no choice but to give in on amnesty.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/11/10/Public-revolts-against-political-Obama-s-and-establishment-s-amnesty-efforts

http://www.vdare.com/posts/breitbart-amnesty-hurting-obama-pro-amnesty-donors-corrupting-gop

bluegill on November 13, 2013 at 6:29 PM

The only thing the GOP should be doing is sitting back and waiting for the Dems/ObamaCare to fully implode.

I keep picturing that scene in Trading Places where Winthorp and Valentine are at the trading floor and Winthrop keeps saying “wait for it wait for it”.

gophergirl on November 13, 2013 at 6:35 PM

always nice to be known as a borderhawk just because I want to um…recognize and actually defend the border

AP are you a borderhawk too? What’s the opposite? borderchicken? borderdodo? borderpigeon maybe?

DanMan on November 13, 2013 at 6:36 PM

Who cares what Boehner says??

He will cave in on this, just as he has on every single other issue he has “held his ground” on.

What a pathetic joke,

KMC1 on November 13, 2013 at 6:38 PM

Suck on that, Harry Reid.

antipc on November 13, 2013 at 6:38 PM

Conference on the Gang of Eight’s senate immigration bill in 3…2…1

Valiant on November 13, 2013 at 6:39 PM

The House pieces aren’t as deathknell as the Schemer/McCain bill was.

Since the pieces are separate, they are not dependent on each other for execution even if they are put into a Senate package.

The problem, naturally, is wtf will happen in the Senate.

Boehner would be better served sending up the pieces and making Chuckles and Old Man Reid kill ‘em.

That will be near-impossible to explain to their business bosses.

And if you send it piece by piece, The GOP finally have enough nameable hispanola’s/latinos to make the argument…

…instead of Senator Pasty The Ghost, or whichever stale bread they have lying around who wants tv time.

budfox on November 13, 2013 at 6:42 PM

Caving in 3… 2…

Every time Boehner says “I won’t do XX,” you can be absolutely certain that within 6 months, XX will be done by Boehner. It’s more certain than tides and extra points.

Wino on November 13, 2013 at 6:43 PM

Nothing should be done. Table it.

Bmore on November 13, 2013 at 6:43 PM

I wouldn’t trust Boehner as far as I can throw him. A typical North East RINO. Tho I guess they prefer the term moderate.

McCain Hater on November 13, 2013 at 6:44 PM

What happen to the old Boehner? If this holds and his performance at the end of the shutdown… this guy is starting to look like something half way decent finally…..

watertown on November 13, 2013 at 6:45 PM

Sounds like you all don’t trust
the Speaker ?
Thought so .
Carry on .

Lucano on November 13, 2013 at 6:45 PM

He wants to get something done. Just not what the Senate has in mind.

Keep a weather eye on the horizon.

Bitter Clinger on November 13, 2013 at 6:45 PM

If this holds, then Boehner will be deemed acceptable in my book.

ramesees on November 13, 2013 at 6:02 PM

I agree. Nothing can destroy this country faster than amnesty with “family reunification.” Studies show that the illegals who received amnesty in 1986 sponsored an average of five relatives. So, between amnesty and “chain migration,” we are looking at 60+ million.

bw222 on November 13, 2013 at 6:46 PM

Why do these elected officials think that they need to get ‘something done for the American people’? Please, you have done enough. Go away for a year or so, so we can forget you and the damage you and Obama have done to this country. Maybe without your interference the country can prosper again.

BetseyRoss on November 13, 2013 at 6:11 PM

Yes. Congress needs to know that their mandate is to get rid of bad laws and regulations, as much as it is to write new ones. Maybe we need a Congress that only sits for two weeks in the Spring and two in the Fall.

slickwillie2001 on November 13, 2013 at 6:46 PM

I wouldn’t trust Boehner as far as I can throw him. A typical North East RINO. Tho I guess they prefer the term moderate.

McCain Hater on November 13, 2013 at 6:44 PM

He’s a RINO, but Ohio is decidedly NOT in the Northeast.

Bitter Clinger on November 13, 2013 at 6:47 PM

I have yet to hear anyone make a case for why this is so important.
What is the case they are making?

Try enforcing the existing laws for a while and see if that helps.

They are doing the same thing as they did with health care. “It’s broken..it must be changed.”….same with global warming..”We have to do something about climate change”, etc, but they never make an evidence based case for the positions.
Why is that?

Mimzey on November 13, 2013 at 6:49 PM

A good decision. Now ensure that Obama enforces the border to stop ALL illegal aliens from entering. Then come back and we’ll talk about the next step.

plaidsheetman on November 13, 2013 at 6:54 PM

I wouldn’t trust Boehner as far as I can throw him. A typical North East RINO. Tho I guess they prefer the term moderate.

McCain Hater on November 13, 2013 at 6:44 PM

He’s a RINO, but Ohio is decidedly NOT in the Northeast.

Bitter Clinger on November 13, 2013 at 6:47 PM

West Central Ohio, as a matter of fact. It’s not even Cleveland or Columbus. Probably the most conservative part of the state.

The sad thing is that region could send someone far better than him.

Myron Falwell on November 13, 2013 at 6:57 PM

That’s a win for border hawks

I object.

How about “rule of law enthusiasts”?

fred5678 on November 13, 2013 at 7:10 PM

And when will the GOP wake up and realize that attrition through enforcement is a WINNER!! But only IF you ask the right question and offer all three choices.

http://www.jmisys.com/immigrationmarches/zogby5.html

fred5678 on November 13, 2013 at 7:13 PM

using the logic of those kids in the video, a child could go up to a politician and say that their dad was convicted of a crime and sentenced to prison and now they’re without a family. so should the politician “do something” about it? should the dad go free so that the kid has a father again?

sheesh! what idiots!!!

jetch on November 13, 2013 at 7:22 PM

The only thing Boehner’s remarks say to me is that Republicans are returning to their philosophy of incrementalism. Doing the same thing as the Democrats, marching us all toward increased socialism, just doing it more slowly so no one notices.

bigbeachbird on November 13, 2013 at 7:24 PM

It would make way better sense for them to campaign for the Obama White house to simply demand they enforce the current laws.

TX-96 on November 13, 2013 at 7:48 PM

The hammer and sickle of the Senate immigration bill are the open-ended amnesty and a doubling of legal immigration. Sure there are hundreds of other terrible provisions, but in the long run they won’t matter much if we get 50 million democrat voters dependent on the government. If a bill with those two provisions passes the House then we are doomed.

You know the elites are just trying to figure out the best way to lie about securing the border or implementing some other enforcement trigger.

Wigglesworth on November 13, 2013 at 8:32 PM

I wouldn’t trust Boehner as far as I can throw him. A typical North East RINO. Tho I guess they prefer the term moderate.

McCain Hater on November 13, 2013 at 6:44 PM

He’s a RINO, but Ohio is decidedly NOT in the Northeast.

Bitter Clinger on November 13, 2013 at 6:47 PM

Agreed, but aside from his girth WTF is the difference between him and the fat man from Jersey? Boehner is typical of the N E RINO’s. IMO nothing but Dem lites

McCain Hater on November 13, 2013 at 9:01 PM

bluegill on November 13, 2013 at 6:22 PM

4. Boehner has been listening to the vast majority of citizens, who oppose any form of amnesty. Which rewards illegal aliens who take jobs from 20,000,000+ unemployed Americans, in the weakest recovery since WWII! That may have something to do with Rubio and Boehner and lots of other establishment pros changing their minds about amnesty!

tomshup on November 13, 2013 at 9:37 PM

The most humane and compassionate thing we can do as Americans is to reunite illegal immigrants with the children, spouses, parents, cousins and friends that they left behind when they criminally entered our sovereign country, as quickly as possible.

OxyCon on November 13, 2013 at 11:40 PM

No on Gang of Eight bill.

Also, no on any House/Boehner amnesty bill. Don’t even think about this. Enforce existing laws.

These guys are determined to dream up some legislation to pander to illegals. Enough. These people don’t get it. Stop destroying our country!

freedomfirst on November 14, 2013 at 8:15 AM