Angry House Dems demand ObamaCare fix from White House aides in “heated” meeting; Update: “It’s ugly”

posted at 2:31 pm on November 13, 2013 by Allahpundit

Here’s your early-afternoon reminder that these people are either (a) imbeciles who didn’t understand when they voted for O-Care that mass cancellations were part of the plan or (b) lying schmucks who understood it full well but who are too gutless to take the heat now that it’s happening.

Did somebody here order the schadenfreude?

A private meeting on Capitol Hill with House Democrats and White House officials on Wednesday became heated when rank-and-file members expressed frustration about continued Obamacare problems, according to multiple sources in the room.

One congressional Democrat who attended the meeting said senior Obama administration officials Mike Hash and David Simas really “got hit” by House Democrats about everything from the troubled website to the broken promise that people can keep the insurance plans they like…

Several lawmakers — even liberals who adamantly support Obamacare — stood and warned the officials that the White House must come up with a solution before the vote [on Fred Upton's "Keep Your Plan Act"]…

Democratic Rep. Jose Serrano of New York told reporters he thinks something will “develop over the next 24 hours.”

And for dessert:

The fact that they also screamed about the website and didn’t emerge from the meeting conciliated makes me think the White House’s denial this morning about missing the November 30th deadline was indeed just a pro forma thing designed to buy time before admitting final defeat. As for the sturm and drang over Fred Upton’s and Mary Landrieu’s bills, Obama has two potential failsafes. Harry Reid could kill Landrieu’s bill in the Senate so that no one has a chance to vote on it, but red-state Democrats like Mark Pryor, Kay Hagan, and of course Landrieu herself won’t like that. They need to do something to show their constituents that they’re trying to get plans un-canceled; if Reid doesn’t let them, he may end up as the Senate minority leader in 2015. If he brings the bill to the floor, though, it might very well reach 60 votes and pass — and he won’t be able to count on Boehner and the GOP killing it in the House. None other than Fred Upton himself said today that Landrieu’s bill might actually be better than his own. If it gets through the Senate, I assume Boehner will bring it to a vote in the House just to maximize the humiliation for Obama as Democrats cross the aisle en masse to vote for it.

That would leave Obama with his last failsafe — a presidential veto. But that too would be hugely risky for Democrats, even ones who voted for Landrieu’s bill. For better or worse, the president is the figurehead of his party. When his approval ratings end up in the tank, so too do the fortunes of his party’s congressional members in the midterms. If he vetoes it, the GOP will destroy him for singlehandedly condemning millions of canceled consumers to their new, more expensive plans. If he signs it, though, he’s willingly sabotaging ObamaCare in the name of protecting his party. Remember: By bringing back canceled plans, both Upton’s bill and Landrieu’s bill are destroying the economic assumptions on which the new, post-ObamaCare insurance regime has been built. The only way O-Care works is by moving healthy people into new, more expensive coverage; if you let them return to their old plans, there’s no new revenue to cover preexisting conditions that insurers are now legally required to pay for. In fact, Landrieu’s bill is even worse for the law than Upton’s is because it requires insurers to bring back canceled plans rather than giving them the option and it would operate indefinitely rather than just for 2014. It’s not as comprehensive as a bill to repeal O-Care outright would be, but it’s a step in that direction by making the new economics of health insurance unsustainable. So that’s O’s choice if this lands on his desk. Either he can knife consumers with canceled policies in the back by confirming that he never meant for them to keep their plans or he can knife his pals in the insurance industry in the bank by validating the giant mess that Landrieu’s trying to make for them. Government health-care fever — catch it.

Update: Schmucktastic.

“They’re telling us all about actuarial tables and all about how the process would work and all of this is fine and great and it would be great in a classroom and you would get an A on your test, but this isn’t about getting an A on your test, this is about ads,” said Rep. Steve Cohen, a Memphis liberal…

“It’s ugly,” said one Democratic source in the meeting. “There’s no way Obama and Pelosi will let their legacy go down in flames. I just wouldn’t want to be from a swing district right now. Or anything that closely resembles one.”…

If they stand with the White House on Friday’s vote, they face the worst of all possible worlds: Campaign ads pointing out that they not only backed Obama’s broken promise but also opposed legislation to fix it. The White House has two days, they warned, to come up with an alternative way to ensure Americans aren’t thrown off their health plans. The president has vowed to find an administrative fix—rather than a legislative one—but that has proved difficult so far.

If O-Care starts to fall apart because House Dems begin voting with the GOP en masse, that’s its epitaph. This isn’t about risk pools and premiums and egghead stuff that might conceivably make the law sustainable in the near term at least. “This is about ads.”


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If O-Care starts to fall apart because House Dems begin voting with the GOP en masse, that’s its epitaph. This isn’t about risk pools and premiums and egghead stuff that might conceivably make the law sustainable in the near term at least. “This is about ads.”

You mean that ad of Susie Slut getting free birth control so she can meet that “hot” guy between the sheets didn’t work?

Steve Z on November 13, 2013 at 3:12 PM

ObamaBerg dead ahead for the red state dems……

The only play for the democrats now is to get rid of Obama…….

Obama could give a shit now – he won.

He will sit for 3 more years with a Republican Congress and try to

rule by executive order.

By 2016 the democrats won’t have a party.

redguy on November 13, 2013 at 3:12 PM

It sucks to suck.

Hahahaha.

LASue on November 13, 2013 at 3:13 PM

So that’s O’s choice if this lands on his desk. Either he can knife consumers with canceled policies in the back by confirming that he never meant for them to keep their plans or he can knife his pals in the insurance industry in the bank by validating the giant mess that Landrieu’s trying to make for them. Government health-care fever — catch it.

Transforming America sure does come with its share of “bumps in the road”.

Bitter Clinger on November 13, 2013 at 3:13 PM

EdmundBurke247 on November 13, 2013 at 3:10 PM

Pelosi said, “We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it.” Well, now we know.

I wondered at the time if she thought there was a rule about mere citizens readings bills that were before congress.

Akzed on November 13, 2013 at 3:13 PM

You can’t fix it because the insurance industry has already mothballed the old plans and set up the new plans to comply with the law it thought was coming down the pipe.

Do you know how much it’s going to cost the insurance industry to just walk back the old plans and stall the new plans? They’re not going to pay for it.

Better to repeal the whole damn thing.

Nethicus on November 13, 2013 at 3:14 PM

Graph of the Day: Obama’s Second Term Charting Just Like Dubya’s

Resist We Much on November 13, 2013 at 2:56 PM

There are Presidents who have a clue what they’re doing.

And then there’s Barack Hussein 0bama.

UltimateBob on November 13, 2013 at 3:14 PM

Their only hope at this juncture – BAGHDAD BOB to the rescue.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXzPvqaCi9w

LarryinLA on November 13, 2013 at 3:15 PM

Another Senate Dem Defects: Udall Proposes ‘Keep Your Plan’ Bill

Resist We Much on November 13, 2013 at 3:12 PM

The “Keep Your Plan” bill would have to repeal ObamaCare first.

Obama won’t sign a “Keep Your Plan” bill or repeal ObamaCare…..

it is time to impeach and convict Obama –
dozens of charges could be filed.

Number one – He has not preserved or protected the Constitution.

Dems – make a choice – Protect Obama or your party. You can’t keep both.

redguy on November 13, 2013 at 3:15 PM

I am going with “a”

(a) imbeciles who didn’t understand when they voted for O-Care that mass cancellations were part of the plan

Nobody read the bill, how the he!! did anyone know what they were voting for. Although there is a good case to be made for “b”….lying schmucks is a pretty accurate description.

I feel bad for those losing their healthcare coverage but the politics of this is extremely entertaining. Time for more popcorn.

tommer74 on November 13, 2013 at 3:15 PM

The only way the Democrats can remotely ever get any kudos (and that’s stretching it) from me is to downright repeal the law.

Until then, they deserve every bad thing that happens to them.

Turtle317 on November 13, 2013 at 2:51 PM

Kudos? Like if a gang is holding you down and punching you in the face and you give them kudos when a policeman shows up to stop them?

Fenris on November 13, 2013 at 3:15 PM

I am going with “a”

(a) imbeciles who didn’t understand when they voted for O-Care that mass cancellations were part of the plan

Nobody read the bill, how the he!! did anyone know what they were voting for. Although there is a good case to be made for “b”….lying schmucks is a pretty accurate description.

I feel bad for those losing their healthcare coverage but the politics of this is extremely entertaining. Time for more popcorn.

tommer74 on November 13, 2013 at 3:15 PM

I am losing my coverage and I have to try and get something – I am on expensive meds.

But right now the seething anger I have is helping me forget my medical problems.

redguy on November 13, 2013 at 3:16 PM

This whole CostaConcordiaCare clusterfark is the best thing that I’ve seen in politics in maybe my entire life.

lolz

Resist We Much on November 13, 2013 at 3:16 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-glKGjp50Ug

Seriously, I can think of no better analogy. It has it all.
(Language warning.)

jjjdad on November 13, 2013 at 3:18 PM

Let’s try this yet again. It’s supposed to fail. That’s the only way they can claim “the private sector failed” and therefore, the only solution is government run health care. Remember, they have to destroy the private insurance market to get there and that’s exactly what is happening now.

jnelchef on November 13, 2013 at 3:19 PM

The only way the Democrats can remotely ever get any kudos (and that’s stretching it) from me is to downright repeal the law.

Until then, they deserve every bad thing that happens to them.

Turtle317 on November 13, 2013 at 2:51 PM

Kudos? Like if a gang is holding you down and punching you in the face and you give them kudos when a policeman shows up to stop them?

Fenris on November 13, 2013 at 3:15 PM

In a few weeks it will dawn on most dems and eventually even the Marxist’s and the Communist’s….

In order for them to survive – and for the democratic (socialist) party to move forward and have a remote shot in 2016 is to dump Obama – lock, stock and two smoking barrels.

Believe me – the military will not come to Obama’s rescue.

When all is said and done – Obama should be in an orange jump suit sitting in a freezing prison cell in Illinois.

redguy on November 13, 2013 at 3:20 PM

Enrollment numbers to be released in 10 minutes per Politico. A little late in the day to be publishing these facts.

blammm on November 13, 2013 at 3:21 PM

Resist We Much on November 13, 2013 at 3:16 PM

Good reference.

Makes up for some of your more egregious screw ups.

cozmo on November 13, 2013 at 3:21 PM

Let’s try this yet again. It’s supposed to fail. That’s the only way they can claim “the private sector failed” and therefore, the only solution is government run health care. Remember, they have to destroy the private insurance market to get there and that’s exactly what is happening now.

jnelchef on November 13, 2013 at 3:19 PM

yeah, it is failing to quickly and there will be no way in hell they can move forward with single payer (socialist care).

Obama has shot his wad and is now impotent……which in turns makes the democrats impotent.

redguy on November 13, 2013 at 3:22 PM

It’s a TRAP! The GOP is walking right into the trap…

Here’s what is going to happen. The House, with the help of a good number of Democrats, will pass the Upton plan and send it to the Senate. Harry Reid will substitute the Landrieu plan and send it back to the House. The House will be forced to either vote for the Landrieu plan or be characterized as siding with insurance companies against people.

In one fell swoop, the Democrats will have the GOP on record saving Mary Landrieu’s re-election in Louisiana by casting her as the one who saved Americans’ health care plans, and also getting on record as really being in favor of fixing Obamacare with the use of mandates.

lovingmyUSA on November 13, 2013 at 3:23 PM

This whole CostaConcordiaCare clusterfark is the best thing that I’ve seen in politics in maybe my entire life.

lolz

Resist We Much on November 13, 2013 at 3:16 PM

Heehee…. me too! I’m loving this!

UltimateBob on November 13, 2013 at 3:23 PM

Romney’s $10K says this is a setup and the number they release will be a lie – and higher than what’s real. They want everyone to expect it will be a very low and honest number – but it will actually be “surprisingly” high.

dentarthurdent on November 13, 2013 at 3:05 PM

.
On a factual basis, the update added to this post covers it pretty well.

In answer to AP’s choices:

“It’s ugly,” said one Democratic source in the meeting. “There’s no way Obama and Pelosi will let their legacy go down in flames. I just wouldn’t want to be from a swing district right now. Or anything that closely resembles one.”…


The correct answer is c) ALL of the Dim’s in Congress are Queens of DeNial

This is a political Extinction Level Event – there won’t be but a handful of Democratic House districts communist enough to reelect a Dimmicrat.

We could actually end up with more Libertarians than Democrats in the House if the Democrats don’t REPEAL Obamacare by Thanksgiving.

(I used to think they had till Christmas but at the rate this fire is spreading, they better not go home for the Thanksgiving break without an Obamacare CURE [i.e. repeal] in their hands.)

PolAgnostic on November 13, 2013 at 3:24 PM

Between laughter and popcorn, my gut can’t take much more.

LarryinLA on November 13, 2013 at 3:11 PM

I’d feel the same way if more Americans weren’t as uninformed as Dems think they are. I want to believe these leftists and their evil ideology are imploding.

freedomfirst on November 13, 2013 at 3:24 PM

redguy on November 13, 2013 at 3:16 PM

Sorry Redguy. I feel bad for you and bet its pretty stressful times. I take no pleasure in seeing people lose their healthcare insurance, but I do like seeing Dems run around with their faces in shock as though this wasn’t supposed to happen. The warnings to them was probably repeated several times a day for the past 5 years.

tommer74 on November 13, 2013 at 3:24 PM

Update: “It’s ugly”
…so, MOOCH showed up ?

TeaPartyNation on November 13, 2013 at 3:24 PM

And NOW the house GOP should start adding demands to cut spending, cut the Obamacare tax, get budget deals or load saddle Obamacare with poison pills…

The kitten whispers and tickle fights end here and the GOP are in a no lose negotiating position.

If The Dems balk, Obamacare collapses… If the Dems acquiesce Obamacare still fails because the Dems will lose the senate and the GOP can repeal it appropriately…

(If I didn’t live in Obizzaro’s USA…)

Skywise on November 13, 2013 at 3:24 PM

Where’s that wagging tongue, Pelosi and that grunting, groaning Reid? And where is the apology to Cruz and Lee? I already emailed my other Sen. Cornyn, asking if he had apologized to his fellow Sen. Cruz for abandoning him.

mobydutch on November 13, 2013 at 3:24 PM

BREAKING: Pittsburgh school shooting squirrel.

freedomfirst on November 13, 2013 at 3:27 PM

Sorry Redguy. I feel bad for you and bet its pretty stressful times. I take no pleasure in seeing people lose their healthcare insurance, but I do like seeing Dems run around with their faces in shock as though this wasn’t supposed to happen. The warnings to them was probably repeated several times a day for the past 5 years.

tommer74 on November 13, 2013 at 3:24 PM

Thanks man!

redguy on November 13, 2013 at 3:27 PM

This will be some of the most reckless, cynical and dangerous politics ever in the nation’s history.
Mason on November 13, 2013 at 3:10 PM

Yep… He’s dangerous now

LtGenRob on November 13, 2013 at 3:29 PM

And NOW the house GOP should start adding demands to cut spending, cut the Obamacare tax, get budget deals or load saddle Obamacare with poison pills…

The kitten whispers and tickle fights end here and the GOP are in a no lose negotiating position.

If The Dems balk, Obamacare collapses… If the Dems acquiesce Obamacare still fails because the Dems will lose the senate and the GOP can repeal it appropriately…

(If I didn’t live in Obizzaro’s USA…)

Skywise on November 13, 2013 at 3:24 PM

Obama will never sign a repeal…..the dems will have to dump Obama or the democratic party becomes extinct.

redguy on November 13, 2013 at 3:29 PM

BREAKING: 106,185 Enrolled in Obamacare

blammm on November 13, 2013 at 3:30 PM

106,186 people have enrolled in Obamacare

CoffeeLover on November 13, 2013 at 3:30 PM

One notes with interest little Prince Luke of Russert’s casual use of the word “lie” in his twitter thing.

Sacramento on November 13, 2013 at 3:30 PM

I think they’re cuing up “The End” by the Doors.

Tater Salad on November 13, 2013 at 3:30 PM

106,185 enrolled during October.

No mention of whether that included people with plans in their cart.

freedomfirst on November 13, 2013 at 3:31 PM

In one fell swoop, the Democrats will have the GOP on record saving Mary Landrieu’s re-election in Louisiana by casting her as the one who saved Americans’ health care plans, and also getting on record as really being in favor of fixing Obamacare with the use of mandates.

lovingmyUSA on November 13, 2013 at 3:23 PM

I think Erickson is way off base with that theory. Sure, passing Landrieu’s legislation might save her re-election (probably not, but even if it does, she’s one Senator). In exchange, the GOP mortally wounds ObamaCare.

The whole regime is based on forcing young healthy people such as myself into paying far more than we should for far more health insurance than we need. If people are allowed to stay on their cheap plans (which is what Landrieu’s bill would do), there won’t be enough money flowing in to offset losses inflicted on insurance companies by older, sick people.

Obama, while many things, isn’t an idiot. He knows this bill will be the death of ObamaCare, so he’ll either talk Democrats out of it, or if all else fails, veto it. What we’re seeing isn’t a trap, it’s Democrats facing certain defeat in a year panicking over having to get a real job.

LukeinNE on November 13, 2013 at 3:32 PM

Anyone want a bag of popcorn? I brought plenty for everyone.

wargamer6 on November 13, 2013 at 3:33 PM

This sucks in oh so many ways.

If the Upton bill passes, Reid will pass Landrieu’s plan and send it to the house and dare the reps to vote against it thus saving Landieu in her re election and the other dozen dems senators currently flapping in the wind.

Boehner should put his money where his mouth is and tell Reid to vote on the 40 or so repeal bills they sent to him or STFU.

veni vidi vici on November 13, 2013 at 3:33 PM

26,794 signed up for private insurance through the website
396,000 are Medicaid or poor children’s medical insurance

blammm on November 13, 2013 at 3:33 PM

396K enrolled in Medicaid

CoffeeLover on November 13, 2013 at 3:34 PM

Even Landrieu’s fix does not fix it forever, it fixes some plans for some people for some amount of time until the HHS Secretary decides to write another rule to superceed it. And it does not protect people from losing their business/employer insurance.

Obamacare is a big mess, End it Now.

Fleuries on November 13, 2013 at 3:36 PM

396K enrolled in Medicaid

CoffeeLover on November 13, 2013 at 3:34 PM

People need real private sector jobs with real benefits and insurance.

Fleuries on November 13, 2013 at 3:37 PM

Why isn’t the administration and Congress forced to go on the screwed up website and get their health care from Obamacare? They exempt themselves. Let them put their private info out there if they think it’s so secured. HA Insulting and disastrous to Americans.

karlinsync on November 13, 2013 at 3:38 PM

With all the libs bluster here lately about the cancelled ins plans, makes me wonder if they really care now OR are they really worried about getting reelected??

me thinks the later.

DiabloAzure on November 13, 2013 at 3:41 PM

All you Mother Effer Dems OWN this Gosnell Abortion.

ToddPA on November 13, 2013 at 3:43 PM

It isn’t about cancer patients losing their insurance and having to decide between bankrupting their families or dying. You know… egg head stuff, classroom stuff.

It’s about Ads.

joshlbetts on November 13, 2013 at 3:43 PM

This would be a good time for Obama to declare war on Canada or something.

Catahoula on November 13, 2013 at 3:44 PM

Obama will never sign a repeal…..the dems will have to dump Obama or the democratic party becomes extinct.
redguy on November 13, 2013 at 3:29 PM

True. But with control of both houses they could severely disrupt its implementation.

Skywise on November 13, 2013 at 3:49 PM

The House should ACCELERATE the vote on Upton to tomorrow morning BEFORE the Administration has a chance to rescue nervous House Dems by announcing some regulatory fig-leaf.

Put them on the record NOW – ASAP.

matthew8787 on November 13, 2013 at 3:50 PM

Version 2.0, fools

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2013 at 3:50 PM

Did somebody here order the schadenfreude?

There is no form of entertainment more expensive than schadenfreude over failed federal policy.

calbear on November 13, 2013 at 3:50 PM

either (a) imbeciles who didn’t understand when they voted for O-Care that mass cancellations were part of the plan or (b) lying schmucks who understood it full well but who are too gutless to take the heat now that it’s happening.

Both.

What little they did understand, they lied about. They let Pelosi and Reid twist their arms, putting off the day of reckoning from the voters in the vain hope that day would never come, willfully shutting their eyes and totally ignoring the polls that have always said a majority of Americans did not want ObamaCare.

Now the gutless wonders are running for cover.

They absolutely and completely deserve the full wrath of the voters. They were fully behind a program designed to cripple and harm the country. I hope every single one of them goes down to an ignominious defeat.

INC on November 13, 2013 at 3:50 PM

Jnelchef, I think the intent was to eventually progress to single payer but this debacle has killed those wet dreams of the left. This is a colossal screw up by the federal government trying to meddle in a market it has no business. Proposing that the answer is more government involvement would be laughable.

Ellis on November 13, 2013 at 3:51 PM

Did somebody here order the schadenfreude?

There is no form of entertainment more expensive than schadenfreude over failed federal policy.

calbear on November 13, 2013 at 3:50 PM

You owe me royalties…but we’re friends :)

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2013 at 3:51 PM

OT – any truth to this?

22044 on November 13, 2013 at 2:41 PM

Dead, as it should be. The REB has demonstrated that he will lie as required, enforce only the laws that he favors, write Executive Orders when he wants new laws that don’t exist, and use the Constitution to wipe his golf shoes on.

We can’t make any negotiated agreements with a liar like the REB.

slickwillie2001 on November 13, 2013 at 3:51 PM

All you Mother Effer Dems OWN this Gosnell Abortion.

ToddPA on November 13, 2013 at 3:43 PM

Don’t ever underestimate the stupidity of the Rs.

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2013 at 3:52 PM

Hmmmm, lots of senators proposing bills, will they ever get to the floor? Especially if something passes in the House? Conference time? Can we revisit defund again?

Cindy Munford on November 13, 2013 at 3:53 PM

“It’s ugly,” said one Democratic source in the meeting. “There’s no way Obama and Pelosi will let their legacy go down in flames.

You know what’s even uglier? A cancer ward where more patients are dying than ever before because their policies got cancelled so early identification and treatment wasn’t an option.

Herald of Woe on November 13, 2013 at 3:54 PM

Politics aside – and Lord knows I love to see these arrogant bastid Democrats humiliated – all these “delay” and “reinstate” ideas are nice sounding, but explode the deficit.

You can’t take out the individual mandate for healthy younger people to buy overpriced coverage. Who pays for the sick, the new Medicaid enrollees, the older, the heavily subsidized?

Those costs are already being incurred. The only way to turn off the spigot is REPEAL.

Even allowing discussion of half-measures is dangerous.

Adjoran on November 13, 2013 at 3:55 PM

So, clarify this for me:
After destroying the ability of insurers (no angels, they) to maintain current coverage without the mandatory well baby visits for seniors and longterm nursing coverage for 20-somethings, resulting in their CANCELLATION: Not a pause, not a recess, not a lil’ vay-cay, but elimination: Congress will suddenly mandate that insurers revive these dead plans.

Akin to Congress insisting that you cut a 5 foot rope in half, then mandating that you stretch it out to 4 feet. Because they REALLY, REALLY want you to.

Tell me: Can, or will insurers suggest to Congress and the WH that they, well, go **** themselves?
Because unconstitutional mandatory money-losing legislation.

Democrats knifing other Democrats in the back, while torturing insurance companies.
Doesn’t get much better than this, folks.

orangemtl on November 13, 2013 at 3:58 PM

Democrats Who Didn’t Read Obamacare Before Passing It Now Really Upset It May Hurt Their Re-Elections

These people deserve no sympathy. Democrats passed Obamacare against the objections of the majority of the American people, having never read the bill themselves. Then they participated in a three-year scam to keep the law on the books and get Barack Obama re-elected.

That’s two pig-in-a-poke scams — Obama himself, an untested cipher of a candidate, and Obamacare, the gigantic bill they didn’t read before passing and then defending — that these people either fell for or participated in. Or both.

So the Democrats who met with Obama at the White House today to make a show of giving him the business deserve nothing but contempt, really. They are either dupes, or accomplices, or both.

INC on November 13, 2013 at 4:01 PM

So sad that I work in a cube. Having to fight the urge to uncontrollably belly laugh for the next 30 minutes.

Oh, what a tangled web we weave

When first we practice to deceive

rockmom on November 13, 2013 at 4:01 PM

Why isn’t the administration and Congress forced to go on the screwed up website and get their health care from Obamacare? They exempt themselves. Let them put their private info out there if they think it’s so secured. HA Insulting and disastrous to Americans.

karlinsync on November 13, 2013 at 3:38 PM

Just a tidbit reminder…

It’s not Congress, as in elected politicians, that balked directly… it was because their AIDES fell under the rule, and many admitted that they would have to leave Congressmen because they couldn’t afford the cost. This move would have left the Congressmen impotent… unable to conduct business because they wouldn’t have a team of aides helping them move legislation forward. Personally, I feel that the aide comments were a warning bell that Democrats ignored at their peril. They ASSUMED it was a localized phenomena instead of an advance warning.

I hope Democrats choke on Obamacare, and that their party is reviled for decades to come…

dominigan on November 13, 2013 at 4:02 PM

Speaking of not being able to trust Obama… even when you can see him and you have him on video… how about that push for a ‘comprehensive immigration’… *cough* AMNESTY…bill…in exchange… of course… for secure borders and enforcement of the law… about now,hmmm?

I mean… we can trust the president to comply with his mandated duty to enforce the law… right?

Gutierrez, Ryan and Boehner think that’s a swell idea.

thatsafactjack on November 13, 2013 at 4:02 PM

“This is about ads.”

Brought to you by the Ad Council.

Myron Falwell on November 13, 2013 at 4:03 PM

REPEAL OBAMACARE.

ENFORCE EXISTING IMMIGRATION LAW.

SECURE THE BORDERS.

thatsafactjack on November 13, 2013 at 4:04 PM

All you Mother Effer Dems OWN this Gosnell Abortion.

ToddPA on November 13, 2013 at 3:43 PM

Don’t ever underestimate the stupidity of the Rs.

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2013 at 3:52 PM

Yup, about time for McCain and Co. to come out and trash
Conservatives again….

ToddPA on November 13, 2013 at 4:04 PM

I liked this quote:

If he vetoes it, the GOP will destroy him for singlehandedly condemning millions of canceled consumersAmericans to their new, more expensive plans all the hazards that come from not having insurance. If he signs it, though, he’s willingly sabotaging ObamaCare in the name of protecting his party.

Herald of Woe on November 13, 2013 at 4:06 PM

My, my, my. I didn’t think this train wreck could possibly cause any more damage than it already has, get here we are, going into our second month of dastardly headlines all over the planet. But really, how dare them act offended by this monstrosity they themselves voted for en masse! Idiots. They got suckered by their own ignorance and incompetence by not reading the bill.

scalleywag on November 13, 2013 at 4:08 PM

Oh, and why in the world would the Dems be surprised that Obama doesn’t have their back?

He never watches out for anyone, but himself.

INC on November 13, 2013 at 4:09 PM

Bwahahahahahahaha!!!
Oh, my sides!!!
Thanks Obamacare!!

teacherman on November 13, 2013 at 4:13 PM

Spam filters, overflowing browser histories and web caches on the computers of Americans trying to sign up for Obamacare are now being cited for why consumers can’t complete their applications for federally-sanctioned health insurance.

In an new blog post and webpage, the Obamacare fix-it team said that they are tracking down those who tried but failed to sign up over the past six weeks to urge them to try again.

Akzed on November 13, 2013 at 4:14 PM

Remember the memo between Boehner and Reid aids talking about how they have to get congress and staff a waiver?

Woulda been funny to see congressional health info being emailed around, getting hacked, etc.

Akzed on November 13, 2013 at 4:18 PM

From 2009:

@MaryLandrieu “If They Don’t Like Obamacare, They Can Unelect Us” #GTFO pic.twitter.com/Gb93fAMjZ3

Will do.

Resist We Much on November 13, 2013 at 4:19 PM

Assuming the fix (ha, ha) passes, I also assume that all the people who actually want O-care, like the sick and poor, will just go on Medicaid. Insurance carriers will go back to last year and continue on as if the grandfather restrictions never happened.

When does budget destruction occur in that scenario?

PattyJ on November 13, 2013 at 4:22 PM

Let me see….
Health care for the poor…or my congressional meal ticket job…

Gee, I wonder which way the dems will think about that?

Heath Care…my job…Health care…my job…heath care…my job.

Trust me, it won’t take that long to decide.

right2bright on November 13, 2013 at 4:27 PM

Do the Republicans have a plan to win this right? To replace Obamacare with free market and common sense reforms? I seriously doubt if. What we’re going to end up with is a hodge podge of non-complementary laws. That will end up being even worse than Obamacare. And then the GOP will take the blame for that, giving the Democrats the ultimate and completely undeserved victory. Just you watch. The idiotic GOP is going to get the worst of all of this (aside from we the people that is).

besser tot als rot on November 13, 2013 at 4:32 PM

Update: “It’s ugly”

Dems are ugly people when it comes courtesy. What else can one expect?

zoyclem on November 13, 2013 at 4:32 PM

What would make this even more fun would be for Obama to resign in order to spend more time with his family and leave Sheriff Joe to clean up the mess!

tims472 on November 13, 2013 at 4:32 PM

Hmm, that should be ‘Dems are ugly people when it comes to courtesy…oops!

zoyclem on November 13, 2013 at 4:33 PM

I went to an affirmative action dentist once, she left me with an absess. Obama is an affirmative action POTUS, he’s left us all with a pain in the azz known as Obamacare.

neyney on November 13, 2013 at 4:34 PM

bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

*gasp*

bahahahaahaahahahaahahaahahahahahahahahahaha

love it …… soooooo much …..

conservative tarheel on November 13, 2013 at 4:44 PM

besser tot als rot on November 13, 2013 at 4:32 PM

There is a plan and a viable bill – 2011′s HR2.

Just reintroduce it back into the House as the ‘replace’ to go with ‘repeal and replace’ – and go from there.

I share the concern that with the present GOP Congressional leadership, they will be far more interested in trying to fix what can’t be fix and thereby snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Athos on November 13, 2013 at 4:47 PM

THE DEATH SPIRAL HAS BEGUN!

GarandFan on November 13, 2013 at 4:50 PM

Historical moment

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2013 at 4:51 PM

Obama’s legacy has already been established – The Food Stamp President.

Karmi on November 13, 2013 at 4:51 PM

Dingy is on deck …

M240H on November 13, 2013 at 4:51 PM

Consequences of your actions.

You voted for the POS…now suck on it.

BigWyo on November 13, 2013 at 4:53 PM

I am losing my coverage and I have to try and get something – I am on expensive meds.

But right now the seething anger I have is helping me forget my medical problems.

redguy on November 13, 2013 at 3:16 PM

Your situation is probably 90% of those who signed up if they could. You have my sympathy. But that will raise rates far worse than they are now. Wait until people have to live with the $12,700 deductible and businesses start cancelling plans after January. It can’t be fixed but the RINO’s will work like mad to save the Dem’s anyway.

CW20 on November 13, 2013 at 4:58 PM

Obama’s legacy has already been established – The Food Stamp President.

Karmi on November 13, 2013 at 4:51 PM

…and the Cash for Clunkers Pimp

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2013 at 5:01 PM

Angry House Dems demand ObamaCare fix from White House aides in “heated” meeting;

Maybe the Dems need to start ACTUALLY READING the bills so that they KNOW WHAT’S IN THEM!!!

…especially if Obama, Pelosi, or Reid is involved…

landlines on November 13, 2013 at 5:02 PM

The DemocRATS in Congress are deserting the S.S. Obama. In the words of Ted Kennedy, “Every man for himself! F**k the women and children!”

(To which Bill Clinton replied, “Do we have time?”)

myiq2xu on November 13, 2013 at 5:03 PM

…and the Cash for Clunkers Pimp

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2013 at 5:01 PM

Yep, maybe first at a Double Legacy! A pair no one would want…

Karmi on November 13, 2013 at 5:08 PM

Spam filters, overflowing browser histories and web caches on the computers of Americans trying to sign up for Obamacare are now being cited for why consumers can’t complete their applications for federally-sanctioned health insurance.

In an new blog post and webpage, the Obamacare fix-it team said that they are tracking down those who tried but failed to sign up over the past six weeks to urge them to try again.

Akzed on November 13, 2013 at 4:14 PM

The NSA has a list…

slickwillie2001 on November 13, 2013 at 5:09 PM

Gutless lying schmucks is about right. Typical liberals.

Philly on November 13, 2013 at 5:26 PM

Speaking of ads, the RNC needs to fire up the attack ad machine. I’ve seen very few, and now would be a good time for it. There isn’t much they need to do to make buffoons of the Democrats. Dems don’t need much help.

Philly on November 13, 2013 at 5:31 PM

If the GOP was smart they wouldn’t do a thing, just sit back and watch it crash, then afterwards pick up the pieces….

Pomai on November 13, 2013 at 5:31 PM

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