Angry House Dems demand ObamaCare fix from White House aides in “heated” meeting; Update: “It’s ugly”

posted at 2:31 pm on November 13, 2013 by Allahpundit

Here’s your early-afternoon reminder that these people are either (a) imbeciles who didn’t understand when they voted for O-Care that mass cancellations were part of the plan or (b) lying schmucks who understood it full well but who are too gutless to take the heat now that it’s happening.

Did somebody here order the schadenfreude?

A private meeting on Capitol Hill with House Democrats and White House officials on Wednesday became heated when rank-and-file members expressed frustration about continued Obamacare problems, according to multiple sources in the room.

One congressional Democrat who attended the meeting said senior Obama administration officials Mike Hash and David Simas really “got hit” by House Democrats about everything from the troubled website to the broken promise that people can keep the insurance plans they like…

Several lawmakers — even liberals who adamantly support Obamacare — stood and warned the officials that the White House must come up with a solution before the vote [on Fred Upton's "Keep Your Plan Act"]…

Democratic Rep. Jose Serrano of New York told reporters he thinks something will “develop over the next 24 hours.”

And for dessert:

The fact that they also screamed about the website and didn’t emerge from the meeting conciliated makes me think the White House’s denial this morning about missing the November 30th deadline was indeed just a pro forma thing designed to buy time before admitting final defeat. As for the sturm and drang over Fred Upton’s and Mary Landrieu’s bills, Obama has two potential failsafes. Harry Reid could kill Landrieu’s bill in the Senate so that no one has a chance to vote on it, but red-state Democrats like Mark Pryor, Kay Hagan, and of course Landrieu herself won’t like that. They need to do something to show their constituents that they’re trying to get plans un-canceled; if Reid doesn’t let them, he may end up as the Senate minority leader in 2015. If he brings the bill to the floor, though, it might very well reach 60 votes and pass — and he won’t be able to count on Boehner and the GOP killing it in the House. None other than Fred Upton himself said today that Landrieu’s bill might actually be better than his own. If it gets through the Senate, I assume Boehner will bring it to a vote in the House just to maximize the humiliation for Obama as Democrats cross the aisle en masse to vote for it.

That would leave Obama with his last failsafe — a presidential veto. But that too would be hugely risky for Democrats, even ones who voted for Landrieu’s bill. For better or worse, the president is the figurehead of his party. When his approval ratings end up in the tank, so too do the fortunes of his party’s congressional members in the midterms. If he vetoes it, the GOP will destroy him for singlehandedly condemning millions of canceled consumers to their new, more expensive plans. If he signs it, though, he’s willingly sabotaging ObamaCare in the name of protecting his party. Remember: By bringing back canceled plans, both Upton’s bill and Landrieu’s bill are destroying the economic assumptions on which the new, post-ObamaCare insurance regime has been built. The only way O-Care works is by moving healthy people into new, more expensive coverage; if you let them return to their old plans, there’s no new revenue to cover preexisting conditions that insurers are now legally required to pay for. In fact, Landrieu’s bill is even worse for the law than Upton’s is because it requires insurers to bring back canceled plans rather than giving them the option and it would operate indefinitely rather than just for 2014. It’s not as comprehensive as a bill to repeal O-Care outright would be, but it’s a step in that direction by making the new economics of health insurance unsustainable. So that’s O’s choice if this lands on his desk. Either he can knife consumers with canceled policies in the back by confirming that he never meant for them to keep their plans or he can knife his pals in the insurance industry in the bank by validating the giant mess that Landrieu’s trying to make for them. Government health-care fever — catch it.

Update: Schmucktastic.

“They’re telling us all about actuarial tables and all about how the process would work and all of this is fine and great and it would be great in a classroom and you would get an A on your test, but this isn’t about getting an A on your test, this is about ads,” said Rep. Steve Cohen, a Memphis liberal…

“It’s ugly,” said one Democratic source in the meeting. “There’s no way Obama and Pelosi will let their legacy go down in flames. I just wouldn’t want to be from a swing district right now. Or anything that closely resembles one.”…

If they stand with the White House on Friday’s vote, they face the worst of all possible worlds: Campaign ads pointing out that they not only backed Obama’s broken promise but also opposed legislation to fix it. The White House has two days, they warned, to come up with an alternative way to ensure Americans aren’t thrown off their health plans. The president has vowed to find an administrative fix—rather than a legislative one—but that has proved difficult so far.

If O-Care starts to fall apart because House Dems begin voting with the GOP en masse, that’s its epitaph. This isn’t about risk pools and premiums and egghead stuff that might conceivably make the law sustainable in the near term at least. “This is about ads.”


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You Dimocrat frauds bought the Nanzi Pelosi line to vote for it to see what’s in it and you did… so suck it.

viking01 on November 13, 2013 at 2:34 PM

Apparatchiks.

Pure and simple.

And they infect our country, by the tens of millions.

OhEssYouCowboys on November 13, 2013 at 2:34 PM

Delicious, more please…

OmahaConservative on November 13, 2013 at 2:35 PM

I love the smell of liberals melting in the afternoon!

cajunpatriot on November 13, 2013 at 2:35 PM

Barry the Bungler is rapidly running out of political clout…even his own party realizes that “shuck and jive” just won’t cut it with the voters at home anymore…

It’s a beautiful thing !!

BigSven on November 13, 2013 at 2:36 PM

What I hope to read in the not too distant future is an announcement the Democrats are in favor of repeal.

Then, sadly, I wake up.

MTF on November 13, 2013 at 2:37 PM

Something will be hatched before tommorrow…I predict it will have something to do with the government spending more taxpayer money.

d1carter on November 13, 2013 at 2:37 PM

Time for the House pass another repeal bill and dare the Democrats to not sign on.

Charlemagne on November 13, 2013 at 2:37 PM

Democratic Rep. Jose Serrano of New York told reporters he thinks something will “develop over the next 24 hours.”

I’m not seeing any ideas that might be more than just a “trust me” moment from the White House toward Congressional Dems. And the rat-eared wonder doesn’t have the kind of poll numbers to pull that one off right now.

Happy Nomad on November 13, 2013 at 2:38 PM

Here’s your early-afternoon reminder that these people are either (a) imbeciles who didn’t understand when they voted for O-Care that mass cancellations were part of the plan or (b) lying schmucks who understood it full well but who are too gutless to take the heat now that it’s happening.

or (c) Demoncraps want to retain the lavish unaccountable lifestyle they and their families have grown used to

burrata on November 13, 2013 at 2:38 PM

None other than Fred Upton himself said today that Landrieu’s bill might actually be better than his own. If it gets through the Senate, I assume Boehner will bring it to a vote in the House just to maximize the humiliation for Obama as Democrats cross the aisle en masse to vote for it.

Yeah, I suspect the GOP will successfully help their Democrat colleagues save face after three years of lies and calling GOP names.

Personally, I’d let them twist in the wind, and propose my own 100% Immediate Repeal bill and let them publicly take a vote on that instead.

Midas on November 13, 2013 at 2:39 PM

Did somebody here order the schadenfreude?

Fried deep in trans-fats

workingclass artist on November 13, 2013 at 2:39 PM

These comments from the earlier “abandon ship” thread seem appropriate to replay here:

There’s nothing wrong with the GOP supporting the Upton plan. It’s symbolic. It’s not like it’ll ever be signed by Obama. And even if it is, it’ll help destroy Obamacare, not fix it.

Doughboy on November 13, 2013 at 1:56 PM

Right now, I think the Obama administration is most concerned with keeping House dems from jumping ship. They know that a, “keep your plan,” act, if passed and signed into law, would quickly force politicians to undo most of Obamacare. So Obama cannot sign it into law, and doesn’t want the bill to end up at his desk, or be held up in the senate, because of the political problems it’d cause in the upcoming midterms.

WolvenOne on November 13, 2013 at 2:05 PM

Maybe your points are true that the Upton bill will help destroy Obamacare, if so we should have no reservations about supporting Upton. Let’s say that we can give the House Repub legislators credit as being knowledgeable and professional and knowing what they are doing. I don’t know for sure what the upshot of the Upton bill would be, but the House repubs, who are in this business and all of them despise Obamacare, seem to think the Upton bill is in our favor. They could be wrong though? ?

anotherJoe on November 13, 2013 at 2:39 PM

Why are Republicans helping to fix Obamacare instead of focusing on repealing it?

MT on November 13, 2013 at 2:40 PM

Pass the popcorn :)

cmsinaz on November 13, 2013 at 2:41 PM

Lest you think that the Obama supporters are going to deny him:

The Obama Herd

OhEssYouCowboys on November 13, 2013 at 2:41 PM

OT – any truth to this?

22044 on November 13, 2013 at 2:41 PM

Remember: By bringing back canceled plans, both Upton’s bill and Landrieu’s bill are destroying the economic assumptions on which the new, post-ObamaCare insurance regime has been built.

And just what makes the Dems think that the insurance companies are going to renew those cancelled plans? I think both the Dems and Reps will lose this battle. Only the insurance companies will be the winners…you know the ole saying…Money talks…etc…etc…etc.

timberline on November 13, 2013 at 2:41 PM

Let the dems own this…. don’t vote for anything that helps the dems out

cmsinaz on November 13, 2013 at 2:42 PM

BREAKING: Obamacare Enrollment Numbers To Be Released This Afternoon – Update: Carney Says They Will Be “Lower Than Anticipated”…

Resist We Much on November 13, 2013 at 2:33 PM

Unprecedentedly.

22044 on November 13, 2013 at 2:42 PM

When Dear Leader reads about these low enrollment numbers in the papers tommorrow, he is going to be so angry!

d1carter on November 13, 2013 at 2:42 PM

I hate to say it, after all these years of classifying him as an entertainer primarily interested in his Arbitron ratings, but I think I have to agree with Limbaugh on this one. Anything the GOP does to ameliorate the effects of 404Care is only to their political disadvantage. They should spend the next 11 months naming Post Offices…

JohnGalt23 on November 13, 2013 at 2:42 PM

I don’t trust Miss Piggy or Frankenstein. Her bill is just a face saver. I have little doubt it will do anything to cripple this monster of a law.

jawkneemusic on November 13, 2013 at 2:43 PM

BREAKING: Obamacare Enrollment Numbers To Be Released This Afternoon – Update: Carney Says They Will Be “Lower Than Anticipated”…

Resist We Much on November 13, 2013 at 2:33 PM

As much have they have been talking down expectations the numbers should be really pathetic with no demographics (payers v. parasites) or purchasers compared to shoppers.

Happy Nomad on November 13, 2013 at 2:43 PM

Yummy! Democrats being screwed over by their own machinations is delicious. Please sir may I have some more?

neyney on November 13, 2013 at 2:44 PM

When Dear Leader reads about these low enrollment numbers in the papers tommorrow, he is going to be so angry!

d1carter on November 13, 2013 at 2:42 PM

Obama Smash Really Angry Speech!

22044 on November 13, 2013 at 2:44 PM

A stupid President and stupid democrats elected by dumb voters… At the end stupidity will only lead to failure, miserable failure…

mnjg on November 13, 2013 at 2:44 PM

Come on, it’s not like we haven’t seen the answer to this time and time again. Subsidies for everyone!!!

Cindy Munford on November 13, 2013 at 2:45 PM

Here’s your early-afternoon reminder that these people are either (a) imbeciles who didn’t understand when they voted for O-Care that mass cancellations were part of the plan or (b) lying schmucks who understood it full well but who are too gutless to take the heat now that it’s happening.

Not simply a) plus b), but a) times b).

rbj on November 13, 2013 at 2:45 PM

(b) lying schmucks who understood it full well but who are too gutless to take the heat now that it’s happening.

You made a deal with the devil …

VibrioCocci on November 13, 2013 at 2:46 PM

If he vetoes it, the GOP will destroy him for singlehandedly condemning millions of canceled consumers to their new, more expensive plans.

These aren’t just new, more expensive plans. They’re new, more expensive, cookie-cutter one-size-fits-all plans that are being imposed on every citizen, regardless of age, sex, lifestyle, health, or geographic location. Uniformity is required of all, regardless of personal preference or circumstances. Because we’re all helpless children and Obama knows best.

obladioblada on November 13, 2013 at 2:46 PM

When Dear Leader reads about these low enrollment numbers in the papers tommorrow, he is going to be so angry!

d1carter on November 13, 2013 at 2:42 PM

Nobody’s madder than he.

Happy Nomad on November 13, 2013 at 2:46 PM

OT – any truth to this?

22044 on November 13, 2013 at 2:41 PM

It’s true. It was mentioned in the IJ Review just today. he he he…

timberline on November 13, 2013 at 2:47 PM

I’m trying to understand how Congress has the power to force insurers to write new policies, unless we call the premiums a tax, and then it’s alright, I guess.

AcidReflux on November 13, 2013 at 2:47 PM

Uniformity is required of all, regardless of personal preference or circumstances. Because we’re all helpless children and Obama knows best.

obladioblada on November 13, 2013 at 2:46 PM

It’s the only way to finance birth control for sluts like Sandra Fluke.

Happy Nomad on November 13, 2013 at 2:47 PM

Every leftist, liberal, Marxist, socialist puss bag in the democrat party who voted for and support this law, may you choke on this crap sandwich you served to the American people.

jawkneemusic on November 13, 2013 at 2:48 PM

A real problem for Obama is that not only did he lie to all Americans with the “you can keep your plan, period” line (lie-ne), he lied to all the Dem legislators also. So the Dems feel like they can go ahead and the right the wrongs inherent Obama’s lie (lies).

anotherJoe on November 13, 2013 at 2:48 PM

Democrat Big-Wigs finally getting a taste of ineffective administration the rest of us have been suffering under for years.

Socratease on November 13, 2013 at 2:48 PM

Remember, Donks, you voted for this without any GOP help and in the face of warnings from the GOP that this was going to be nothing but a big fail. This is your crap sandwich. Be sure to chew slowly and savor the whole damn thing. Sweet music to my ears.

HiJack on November 13, 2013 at 2:49 PM

The enrollments numbers must be inflated or they would have released them Friday night at 11:59 pm Pacific….

d1carter on November 13, 2013 at 2:51 PM

The only way the Democrats can remotely ever get any kudos (and that’s stretching it) from me is to downright repeal the law.

Until then, they deserve every bad thing that happens to them.

Turtle317 on November 13, 2013 at 2:51 PM

The People can claim Barky lied to them but not the Dims.

The Dims were too lazy to read what they had voted for and now they are leaving the Titanic.

viking01 on November 13, 2013 at 2:53 PM

Nobody’s madder than he.
Happy Nomad on November 13, 2013 at 2:46 PM

I’ll believe that only when Obama has his solid gold policy cancelled.

marybel on November 13, 2013 at 2:53 PM

The Facade is crumbling.

Rats. Sinking Ships.

portlandon on November 13, 2013 at 2:53 PM

I don’t trust Miss Piggy or Frankenstein. Her bill is just a face saver. I have little doubt it will do anything to cripple this monster of a law.
jawkneemusic on November 13, 2013 at 2:43 PM

I mean I have a lot of doubt. Miss piggy couldn’t resist snorting about how great the law still is even when trying to push her phony bill.

jawkneemusic on November 13, 2013 at 2:53 PM

BLAH, BLAH, BLAH… they were putty in The Won’s hands once, they will be so again. It just takes the right perverse incentive (or disincentive).

Marcola on November 13, 2013 at 2:54 PM

Did somebody here order the schadenfreude?

With a sprinkling of “Fighting Dirty”, if you would…

JohnGalt23 on November 13, 2013 at 2:54 PM

this isn’t about getting an A on your test, this is about ads,” said Rep. Steve Cohen, a Memphis liberal…

Beautiful! I can easily imagine how that meeting went. The Dems are desperate for some relief from the pressure they are feeling. The White House staff pulled out pie charts and economic theory in much the way Jay Carney lectures the press corps. That must have really fanned the flame.

Happy Nomad on November 13, 2013 at 2:54 PM

“It’s ugly,” said one Democratic source in the meeting. “There’s no way Obama and Pelosi will let their legacy go down in flames. I just wouldn’t want to be from a swing district right now. Or anything that closely resembles one.”…

Hopefully your district becomes a swing one.

22044 on November 13, 2013 at 2:55 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvMmCzRV7so

Renee on November 13, 2013 at 2:55 PM

Couldn’t happen to a better guy than Steve “Jerk” Cohen…

d1carter on November 13, 2013 at 2:56 PM

Democratic Rep. Jose Serrano of New York told reporters he thinks something will “develop over the next 24 hours.”

An ObamaCare eBay Store?

Tsar of Earth on November 13, 2013 at 2:56 PM

Personally, I’d let them twist in the wind, and propose my own 100% Immediate Repeal bill and let them publicly take a vote on that instead.

Midas on November 13, 2013 at 2:39 PM

This. Things are getting so bad for the Democrats, and there are so many of them running for the exits in fear of our political lives, that it’s time to say something like this:

“In last month’s negotiations over the budget, we proposed a temporary postponement of parts of the Affordable Care Act. However, after an additional month of watching the complete and utter disaster that is Obamacare, we realize that even we did not realize just how bad this law would be for the American people. We cannot, therefore, in good conscience support any legislation which continues to foist this disaster on the American people, even if it delays provisions for a short time. We, therefore, will from this point forward support no solution less than full repeal, and we hope our colleagues on the other side of the aisle, who are now seeing the real consequences of this act on their constituents, will join us.”

Shump on November 13, 2013 at 2:57 PM

C-O-L-L-A-P-S-E: Q Poll Shows Tied Generic Ballot

On top of finding President Obama at his lowest point in his Presidency, Quinnipiac released a stunner of a poll this morning showing the Democrats’ 9-point edge touted as blowback against the shutdown in October has collapsed to a 39-39 tie on congressional vote preference. With ten Democrat-held Senate seats at least somewhat competitive, that number resonates: most of these seats are in red to purple states, where that same figure almost certainly skews a few more points rightwards.

Beyond the generic question, Q has countered the NBC poll showing Chris Christie actually leading Hillary Clinton by a point, winning independents by 16 points, losing Hispanics by 7, moderates by 5, and trailing her among black voters 77%-12%.

Interestingly, Rand Paul trails Clinton among Hispanics by only 10, 41%-51% and black voters 10%-83%, both higher than Romney or McCain’s final take, trailing Clinton by 9 points overall thanks to 20 point gaps among moderates and women.

It’s just one firm so far, but with the Democrats visibly panicking, perhaps a little optimism for the GOP is called for.

Until, you know. Stupid Party stupids its way out of a half-dozen wins.

Resist We Much on November 13, 2013 at 2:57 PM

Anything the GOP does to “fix” Obamacare should fatally undermine its underpinnings and lead to its ultimate collapse.

It sounds like the Landrieu bill might do that, which is why Obama will veto it.

Popcorn time!

DRayRaven on November 13, 2013 at 2:57 PM

Help me – I….CAN’T……STOP…..LAUGHING

LarryinLA on November 13, 2013 at 2:57 PM

There is no fix or repair with this EpicClusterFark. There are so many more shoes to drop than just what we’ve seen so far.

The only option remains…. Repeal and replace.

That would leave Obama with his last failsafe — a presidential veto.

Hmm, we have a thin-skinned, petulant, feckless, narcissistic, community organizer overflowing with hubris having to decide on whether to gut his signature achievement of 5 years, the government’s seizure of 1/6th of the national economy in the name of healthcare ‘reform’, or to support the effort to reelect the Congressional Democrats who are blaming him and his Administration for the lies and clusterfarking of healthcare ‘reform’?

I doubt pragmatism or the American people will win.

Athos on November 13, 2013 at 2:58 PM

If O-Care starts to fall apart because House Dems begin voting with the GOP en masse, that’s its epitaph. This isn’t about risk pools and premiums and egghead stuff that might conceivably make the law sustainable in the near term at least. “This is about ads.”

Anyone else getting a hankering for some humpbot?

rbj on November 13, 2013 at 2:58 PM

Could the D’s in the House and the White House just get into an epic beatdown of each other?

Like OWS?

Please?

22044 on November 13, 2013 at 2:59 PM

My hope is that Obuggerme shows up to call them all racists. I’d settle for Jarrett.

M240H on November 13, 2013 at 2:59 PM

The president has vowed to find an administrative fix

and the right tool to fix jiziahCAIR ?
FuglyNanci’s giant gavel :O

burrata on November 13, 2013 at 2:59 PM

A comment from this artile:

So let’s take stock. The President promised repeatedly and unconditionally that those of us who liked our insurance could keep it. Now, the story is that this statement is fundamentally inconsistent with the law that bears his name. So fundamentally inconsistent, in fact, that changing the law to make the President’s statement true would gut the law and destroy its effectiveness.

anotherJoe on November 13, 2013 at 2:59 PM

1 tells me, “WH doesn’t have our back.”

Duh-yuh

You could tell you were going to be on your own when the implementation/rollout was scheduled for 2014–after the second term re-election.

socalcon on November 13, 2013 at 3:00 PM

Did somebody here order the schadenfreude?

Well his input would most certainly be appreciated and appropriate at this time ;)

onomo on November 13, 2013 at 3:00 PM

The only way out for the Dems if full repeal. Funny how a few weeks ago Cruz was mocked for his plan to defund the debacle. I wonder how may Democraps wish that they had gone along with his plan. Let em hang by their political necks.

cajunpatriot on November 13, 2013 at 3:00 PM

Sounds like some Dems are not very gruntled.

Akzed on November 13, 2013 at 3:00 PM

“They’re telling us all about actuarial tables and all about how the process would work and all of this is fine and great and it would be great in a classroom and you would get an A on your test, but this isn’t about getting an A on your test, this is about ads,” said Rep. Steve Cohen, a Memphis liberal…

Hey Steve?

“Change is hard. Get over it.”

Bobbertsan on November 13, 2013 at 3:01 PM

Rep. Mike Doyle of Pittsburgh, an influential member of the House Energy and Commerce Committee told the administration officials that he would vote for the GOP bill if they couldn’t come up with better reasons for him to back the president, portending a dam-breaking vote on Friday if the White House can’t find a way to repair the damage it has suffered within the Democratic Caucus. He further suggested that if the White House can’t get the website fixed in time, the president will irreversibly lose the public’s trust on Obamacare, according to a source who was present.

Rep. Anna Eshoo (D-Calif.), like Doyle a member of Pelosi’s inner circle, complained about White House efforts to portray insurance cancellation notices as affecting just a small percentage of the population.

“You say it’s only 5 percent,” Eshoo told Simas and Hatch, “but it is much more than 5 percent in my district.”

Resist We Much on November 13, 2013 at 3:01 PM

If Barack Obama vetoes the Landrieu legislation – will the GOP / Democrats band together to override that veto?

If that is the case, what does that mean for Barack Obama’s remaining 3 years in office? (Hint – in a parliamentary system, a vote of no confidence like that would necessitate new elections, probably after the PM resigns from being the head of their party.)

Athos on November 13, 2013 at 3:01 PM

That would leave Obama with his last failsafe — a presidential veto. But that too would be hugely risky for Democrats, even ones who voted for Landrieu’s bill. For better or worse, the president is the figurehead of his party. When his approval ratings end up in the tank, so too do the fortunes of his party’s congressional members in the midterms. If he vetoes it, the GOP will destroy him for singlehandedly condemning millions of canceled consumers to their new, more expensive plans. If he signs it, though, he’s willingly sabotaging ObamaCare in the name of protecting his party.

Talk about picking your poison. On the one hand, I can’t imagine Obama signing either the Landrieu or Upton bill into law. His pride and ego will never allow it. On the other hand, how could he possibly condemn his party to an electoral massacre in 2014(and possibly 2016)? He’ll be worse than a lame duck if he does that. He’ll be a pariah within the Democrat Party.

Doughboy on November 13, 2013 at 3:02 PM

If he [1] vetoes it, the GOP will destroy him for singlehandedly condemning millions of canceled consumers to their new, more expensive plans. If he [2] signs it, though, he’s willingly sabotaging ObamaCare in the name of protecting his party.

We’ve already established that he doesn’t care about [1] consumers or [2] his party.

Obama has a dilemma, but he needs a trilemma – one choice [3] that benefits him.

Tsar of Earth on November 13, 2013 at 3:02 PM

I’m surprised they are announcing today why not want until the Friday night news dump?

cmsinaz on November 13, 2013 at 3:02 PM

OT – any truth to this?

22044 on November 13, 2013 at 2:41 PM

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Breitbart is reporting the same thing. Boehner has said there will be no conference process for the Senate bill which means the Gang of Eight can act as pallbearers for their bill.

PolAgnostic on November 13, 2013 at 3:02 PM

When you lost a Democrat demagogue like Steve Cohen, who is from a district that has not elected a Republican in my lifetime, you know that Team Obama is in trouble and O-Care is about to meet it’s inevitable doom will happen sooner than later.

simkeith on November 13, 2013 at 3:02 PM

The next 51 weeks are going to be so much fun…honestly, I think the Democrats are best off just holding the party line. If they side with the Republicans on this, full repeal down the road is a fait accompli. Additionally, if one remembers 2010, many of the Democrats that went down the hardest were actually red state moderates that voted against ObamaCare. Voters didn’t care. They were pissed at the Democrats so they punished Democrats, regardless of their vote on this or that.

LukeinNE on November 13, 2013 at 3:03 PM

Obama is seeing all his deeply held Socialist beliefs in action. Their evident utter failure would cause doubt in a wiser man. I expect Mr. PRESENT will go full steam ahead regardless of the damage to individuals and to his party.

LarryinLA on November 13, 2013 at 3:03 PM

Help me – I….CAN’T……STOP…..LAUGHING

LarryinLA on November 13, 2013 at 2:57 PM

I’m with you! If it weren’t for gravely ill people at risk of a break in coverage I’d have passed out by now. After the way the Democrats shoved this monstrosity through, lied their way past 2 election cycles, and smugly refused to accept a delay….I’m just enjoying their pain. God knows, it took a long time for reality to catch up with this travesty.

Jill1066 on November 13, 2013 at 3:04 PM

Here’s your early-afternoon reminder that these people are either (a) imbeciles who didn’t understand when they voted for O-Care that mass cancellations were part of the plan or (b) lying schmucks who understood it full well but who are too gutless to take the heat now that it’s happening.

It is both… The vast majority of democrat politicians are imbecile because the vast majority of their base is imbecile so imbeciles elect imbeciles… Those who are not imbeciles, a tiny minority, are liars… Now the imbeciles are also liars because lying and stupidity come together all the time… The liars are also imbeciles for thinking that they will not be caught in their lies…

mnjg on November 13, 2013 at 3:04 PM

By bringing back canceled plans, both Upton’s bill and Landrieu’s bill are destroying the economic assumptions on which the new, post-ObamaCare insurance regime has been built.

Pass Landrieu’s bill then order the CBO to perform a new cost/benefit analysis on O-Care. That’ll do it.

BacaDog on November 13, 2013 at 3:04 PM

BREAKING: Obamacare Enrollment Numbers To Be Released This Afternoon – Update: Carney Says They Will Be “Lower Than Anticipated”…

Resist We Much on November 13, 2013 at 2:33 PM

Romney’s $10K says this is a setup and the number they release will be a lie – and higher than what’s real. They want everyone to expect it will be a very low and honest number – but it will actually be “surprisingly” high.

dentarthurdent on November 13, 2013 at 3:05 PM

To quote Ron White: “You can’t fix stupid.”
Don’t try to fix – repeal and replace instead!

TeaPartyNation on November 13, 2013 at 3:06 PM

I’m surprised they are announcing today why not want until the Friday night news dump?

cmsinaz on November 13, 2013 at 3:02 PM

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I suspect because they told the Democratic congresscritters the numbers this morning and have had Jake Tapper et al asking for WH comment since 5 minutes after that meeting ended.

PolAgnostic on November 13, 2013 at 3:06 PM

Washington state to 8,000 Obamacare enrollees: ‘We goofed on cost estimate’

How could such an error occur? “We’ve asked ourselves that many times,” Onizuka said. “We are still trying to figure out how this happened.”

About 8,000 Washington residents will soon receive letters informing them that the price they are expecting to pay for health insurance purchased on the new online exchange marketplace is incorrect.

Healthplanfinder was submitting applicants’ monthly income to the federal hub, which compiles data from federal and state agencies to determine whether an applicant is eligible for Medicaid or for a premium subsidy to purchase a health plan through the exchange.

But the federal hub was expecting annual income, not monthly, which resulted in the miscalculation.

Approximately 8,000 Washington residents were affected, which meant they were told they qualified for a higher tax credit amount than they actually qualified for based on their income and household size.

kcewa on November 13, 2013 at 3:06 PM

Does the liberal media and in particular “Politico” have people dedicated 100% of their time to cover the democrat civil war the way they have people dedicated 100% of the time to cover and in most cases make up the Republican civil war? Of course not… But no need… The fighting among democrats is for everyone to see with or without the liberal media interfering…

mnjg on November 13, 2013 at 3:07 PM

It’s true. It was mentioned in the IJ Review just today. he he he…

timberline on November 13, 2013 at 2:47 PM

Breitbart is reporting the same thing. Boehner has said there will be no conference process for the Senate bill which means the Gang of Eight can act as pallbearers for their bill.

PolAgnostic on November 13, 2013 at 3:02 PM

I see, thanks!

22044 on November 13, 2013 at 3:07 PM

Popcorn time! Please coat mine in salty liberal tears!

blammm on November 13, 2013 at 3:07 PM

Another bad week for Democrats? Hopefully so. Today is a really bad day, anyway.

22044 on November 13, 2013 at 3:07 PM


Oh there there, let me dry those tears. Oh, oh yes yes, your anguish sustains me.

This will NEVER get old.

LtGenRob on November 13, 2013 at 3:08 PM

Approximately 8,000 Washington residents were affected, which meant they were told they qualified for a higher tax credit amount than they actually qualified for based on their income and household size.

kcewa on November 13, 2013 at 3:06 PM

Excellent and very sad at the same time…

mnjg on November 13, 2013 at 3:08 PM

There’s no way Obama and Pelosi will let their legacy go down in flames.

And just where in the hell is Pelosi these days? And Waxman too since the rat-man was a co-sponsor of the ACA.

BacaDog on November 13, 2013 at 3:08 PM

“When your enemy is making a mistake, don’t interrupt him.” -Napoleon Bonaparte

Akzed on November 13, 2013 at 3:08 PM

So, the federal government is going to mandate that insurance companies keep 2013 plans in force – um – like, forever? Without allowing any changes or increases in premiums/deductibles/co-pays? How the heck does that work?

jdp629 on November 13, 2013 at 3:09 PM

The solution will be more money. It will be positioned so they can claim it’s self liquidating over some time frame. They will accuse the Republicans of wishing death and ruin on the nation’s citizens if they don’t buy this excrement sandwich. This will be some of the most reckless, cynical and dangerous politics ever in the nation’s history.

Mason on November 13, 2013 at 3:10 PM

The unfathomable wisdom in Pelosi’s statement “We have to pass it, to learn what’s in it” (or whatever she said), is showing itself to be a great rebuttal of what lawyers have told their clients for years – “Read it before you sign it.” /sarc

EdmundBurke247 on November 13, 2013 at 3:10 PM

They always said that if you put some monkeys in a locked room with typewriters they could create a pretty story…so it’s no surprise that a room locked full of Democrat Senators and Congressmen were able to script this amazing clusterfark of entertainment!

*pass the popcorn*

nextgen_repub on November 13, 2013 at 3:10 PM

Every one of these leftists who voted for it in 2009 are complicit. They are hiding behind website problems, but they tried to pull a fast one on the entire country.

I loathe them.

GOP(e) better sit idly by or actively work to repeal. Better not help these idiots!

freedomfirst on November 13, 2013 at 3:11 PM

This is like TITANIC meeting GROUNDHOG DAY – they keep making the same disastrous mistakes and wake up every morning expecting a different outcome. Between laughter and popcorn, my gut can’t take much more.

LarryinLA on November 13, 2013 at 3:11 PM

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