Abandon ship: Blue-state Dem Jeff Merkley to co-sponsor Landrieu’s version of the “Keep Your Plan Act”

posted at 1:11 pm on November 13, 2013 by Allahpundit

It’s not just red-state Democrats who are panicking. Then again, Merkley’s not a typical blue-state Democrat. He won his Senate race in Oregon by fewer than four points in 2008, a year in which Hopenchange fever boosted Dems nationally. Not only won’t he have that working for him next year, he’ll have the albatross of Obama’s biggest “achievement” hanging around his neck. Time for him to do what little he can to shed it by joining Landrieu’s bill.

Last night a source told Greg Sargent that House Democrats were being whipped by the leadership to oppose Fred Upton’s bill, replete with warnings that rich liberals would turn off the money tap if they didn’t. How are the threats working out this morning? New from Sargent:

A senior Democratic aide tells me opposition to the Upton plan will be increasingly difficult to maintain among House Dems if the administration doesn’t offer a workable fix of its own. The aide adds the need to maintain House Dem opposition has been made more urgent by another problem: Senate Dems (the latest being Dianne Feinstein) supporting their own politically expedient “fixes” that could also undermine the law.

“Now that Feinstein has broken off, that makes it even more important that House Democrats stay together as much as possible — to keep Senate Ds from caving,” the senior Dem aide says. But the aide adds, in a reference to this week’s House action: ”We need an administrative fix that works before the vote.”

Twelve hours later, not only haven’t the threats stopped the bleeding, they’ve lost another key blue-state Dem in the Senate. Despite the painfully obvious fact that kicking healthy people off of cheap plans is how ObamaCare is supposed to work, the moronic Democrats in Congress who voted for it en masse three years ago and then stood by silently ever since while O repeated his Big Lie now demand some sort of quick political fix. I’m honestly curious to see what, if anything, Obama can come up with before Friday to placate them.

In the meantime, an interesting debate is happening among righties (and a few lefties) over what the GOP should do. Fred Upton’s “Keep Your Plan Act” is going to pass the House for sure, if only as a sort of formal censure of the Big Lie, so the debate is mainly academic, but it’s worth considering the implications for future O-Care votes. For starters, Erick Erickson thinks that the Upton bill will be quietly replaced in a conference with the Senate by Mary Landrieu’s bill, which, unlike Upton’s, requires that insurers resurrect plans that have been canceled. It’s a mandate, in other words. If House Republicans pass Landrieu’s bill, does that mean they’re now pro-mandate?

In one fell swoop, the Democrats will have the GOP on record saving Mary Landrieu’s re-election in Louisiana by casting her as the one who saved Americans’ health care plans, and also getting on record as really being in favor of fixing Obamacare with the use of mandates.

The GOP is walking right into the trap.

Republicans will spin that away, I assume, by saying that this isn’t a mandate aimed at limiting what the insurance industry can do, it’s a mandate aimed at the White House to force O to keep his promise by expanding what the industry can do. On the flip side, Conn Carroll argues that it’s actually Upton’s bill, not Landrieu’s, that presents the most political headaches for the GOP precisely because it gives insurers merely the option to resurrect canceled plans if they want. There’s no mandate that they do so. Which means, if/when insurers refuse to resurrect those plans, whether because it’s too logistically difficult to bring them back on short notice or because they’re too excited about the revenue they’re making off of the expensive new ObamaCare plans, the insurance industry will replace Obama and the Democrats as the main bad guys in all this:

Why on earth would Republicans want to bail Democrats out on Obamacare by supplying them with a villain to scapegoat?

More importantly, however, at no point does Capretta or Upton explain how they can guarantee the legislation will accomplish what the title says it will: that all Americans will be able to keep the plans they currently have.

True, millions of Americans who have not had their plans cancelled yet might have their plans saved… for a little while. But that still leaves millions of other Americans with cancelled plans.

Why do Republicans feel the need to make the same impossible promises about keeping your current plan that Obama did?

More cancellations are coming next year as the employer mandate takes effect and small businesses dump employees onto the exchanges. But that’s the Democrats’ problem, right? Republicans could offer a new version of Upton’s bill next year, after those cancellations start happening; if Democrats want to sign onto that too, that’s fine, but it’ll only make the industry’s adverse selection problem worse as healthy people decide to stay put in their old, cheaper plans. Essentially, by undoing cancellations periodically via legislation, the GOP and its Democratic allies would be making ObamaCare economically unsustainable.

But wait a sec, says lefty Brian Beutler. If Republicans are so opposed to the idea of people losing their insurance, how can they support repealing the law entirely?

The Keep Your Health Plan Act would be immensely damaging to Obamacare if it ever became law, and preventing it from becoming law will require Senate Democrats and President Obama to sustain real political damage over the next few weeks. But looking ahead, it will be useful for them to have Republicans on the record against forcing people off of their insurance.

Keep Your Health Plan would be consistent with the broader repeal campaign if Obamacare really provided no benefits. And if you’re cocooned in an impenetrable conservative information bubble, it must seem like that’s the case. But, even if you ignore Medicaid, which is expanding on a somewhat distinct path, the law’s already providing tangible benefits to tens of thousands of people. If Healthcare.gov is working in two weeks, that number will swell into the millions.

What happens to all the people with preexisting conditions who’ll have successfully enrolled on January 1 if O-Care becomes unsustainable or if, somehow, the GOP eventually manages to repeal it? Republicans have spoken for years of “repeal and replace,” not just repeal, but embracing Upton’s bill means they really do need to have their own plan to pay for the sick ready to go if/when Obama’s boondoggle finally loses Democratic support. That’s a nice problem to have, but still a problem.

Via the Daily Caller, here’s Kirsten Powers on Fox News last night recognizing the Big Lie for what it is. Skip to 2:35 for the key bit.


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Why are these racist no-confederates not letting our dear president be clear?

tetriskid on November 13, 2013 at 1:13 PM

Abandon ship: Blue-state Dem Jeff Merkley to co-sponsor Landrieu’s version of the “Keep Your Plan Act”

Screw any “Keep your plan” act. The feral government is just overstepping its bounds, once again, in order to lessen the disastrous effects of it overstepping its bounds before.

REPEAL.

There is nothing else to be discussed about the intellectual and Constitutional offense that is BarkyCare. Full repeal. End of story.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on November 13, 2013 at 1:15 PM

C-O-L-L-A-P-S-E: Q Poll Shows Tied Generic Ballot

On top of finding President Obama at his lowest point in his Presidency, Quinnipiac released a stunner of a poll this morning showing the Democrats’ 9-point edge touted as blowback against the shutdown in October has collapsed to a 39-39 tie on congressional vote preference. With ten Democrat-held Senate seats at least somewhat competitive, that number resonates: most of these seats are in red to purple states, where that same figure almost certainly skews a few more points rightwards.

Beyond the generic question, Q has countered the NBC poll showing Chris Christie actually leading Hillary Clinton by a point, winning independents by 16 points, losing Hispanics by 7, moderates by 5, and trailing her among black voters 77%-12%.
Interestingly, Rand Paul trails Clinton among Hispanics by only 10, 41%-51% and black voters 10%-83%, both higher than Romney or McCain’s final take, trailing Clinton by 9 points overall thanks to 20 point gaps among moderates and women.

It’s just one firm so far, but with the Democrats visibly panicking, perhaps a little optimism for the GOP is called for.

Until, you know. Stupid Party stupids its way out of a half-dozen wins.

Resist We Much on November 13, 2013 at 1:16 PM

Abandon ship: Blue-state Dem Jeff Merkley to co-sponsor Landrieu’s version of the “Keep Your Plan Act”

Screw any “Keep your plan” act. The feral government is just overstepping its bounds, once again, in order to lessen the disastrous effects of it overstepping its bounds before.

REPEAL.

There is nothing else to be discussed about the intellectual and Constitutional offense that is BarkyCare. Full repeal. End of story.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on November 13, 2013 at 1:15 PM

Yep, and if Obama does not sign the repeal bill – Impeach and Convict – then slow Joe can sign the repeal bill or he goes as well.

redguy on November 13, 2013 at 1:19 PM

Screw any “Keep your plan” act. The feral government is just overstepping its bounds, once again, in order to lessen the disastrous effects of it overstepping its bounds before.

REPEAL.

There is nothing else to be discussed about the intellectual and Constitutional offense that is BarkyCare. Full repeal. End of story.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on November 13, 2013 at 1:15 PM

I couldn’t agree, more. This is nothing but political pigs in perpetuity debating how best to tell us what we can and can’t do, and what we do and don’t want.

I’m so sick of pigs.

OhEssYouCowboys on November 13, 2013 at 1:19 PM

No!

The GOP should immediately introduce another bill for full repeal. Let’s see where the Democrats really stand.

Charlemagne on November 13, 2013 at 1:21 PM

bayam, where are you, you weasel?

You claimed that the leftists own the computer field.

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2013 at 1:21 PM

Right now the smartest thing the Rs could possibly do is sit back and let the Ds go into panic mode and allow Obamacare to sail untinkered right into 2014 and let Obama explain his failure during his SOTU address.

They would have to be crazy to try put their name on that turd and try to rescue it.
It is suicide.

NeoKong on November 13, 2013 at 1:22 PM

Don’t let Merkley get away with this, Oregon. Send him packing next year!

22044 on November 13, 2013 at 1:22 PM

But, even if you ignore Medicaid, which is expanding on a somewhat distinct path, the law’s already providing tangible benefits to tens of thousands of people. If Healthcare.gov is working in two weeks, that number will swell into the millions.

But I thought millions losing their plans was small potatoes.

Jeff Weimer on November 13, 2013 at 1:22 PM

Republicans to the rescue of the democrats. Why are they so stupid?

alanstern on November 13, 2013 at 1:22 PM

she’s pretty when she angry…

ted c on November 13, 2013 at 1:23 PM

Irony alert – the faux Christian preezie will be hurt by the Christian holiday season :)

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2013 at 1:23 PM

It’s up to the states in which those insurers write policies. There are state laws that regulate cancelling policies.

AND such a bill must originate in the house, because, thanks to justice Roberts, 0b00bcare is a tax.

Akzed on November 13, 2013 at 1:24 PM

“Plug the hole, Daddy!”

—- offspring of Emperor Barky Lying King Putt the Vacationer

viking01 on November 13, 2013 at 1:24 PM

Repeal and Impeach….

d1carter on November 13, 2013 at 1:24 PM

More popcorn - couldn’t happen to a ‘nicer’ bunch of latrine rats.

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2013 at 1:24 PM

Repeal and only repeal.

Over at Kos they are still screaming about repub obstructionism and then one of them points out the repubs don’t have any handprints on it. Then one will say its because repub governors didn’t go along with expanding Medicaid and that’s why red states aren’t working and then uh, oh…Oregon! Pretty funny stuff.

DanMan on November 13, 2013 at 1:26 PM

Heh, heh, heh, replacement for the Columbian White Hispanic cow has been found.

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2013 at 1:26 PM

bayam, where are you, you weasel?

You claimed that the leftists own the computer field.

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2013 at 1:21 PM

Well duh, silly.

All is going according to plan.

When the complete collapse of the health care and health insurance comes, the only recourse will be a government takeover of both.

Get with the program.

cozmo on November 13, 2013 at 1:27 PM

Wait a while. Let the dems twist. Offer a full repeal just before the Christmas recess. Pass it to the Senate and leave town. Offer it to the Senate right before every recess. Right up until the November elections.

trigon on November 13, 2013 at 1:27 PM

In one fell swoop, the Democrats will have the GOP on record saving Mary Landrieu’s re-election in Louisiana by casting her as the one who saved Americans’ health care plans, and also getting on record as really being in favor of fixing Obamacare with the use of mandates.

The GOP is walking right into the trap.

Always bet on the Rs being stupid.

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2013 at 1:29 PM

But, even if you ignore Medicaid, which is expanding on a somewhat distinct path, the law’s already providing tangible benefits to tens of thousands of people. If Healthcare.gov is working in two weeks, that number will swell into the millions.

At the expense of millions?

What an example of the vapidity of the progressive fascist argument – support the ACA because it will be a benefit to tens of thousands, perhaps even ‘millions’ who don’t have insurance today.

One problem with this is that many of those who don’t have insurance today, don’t have insurance by choice. Furthermore, the penalties of the ACA make it unlikely that they will change this. Estimates from the CBO are that 80% of those without insurance today will remain without insurance coverage even with the mandate + tax.

Another issue is that none of this addresses the premium cost clusterfark that results from the adverse selection where the exchanges are primarily being used by either those applying for their newly qualified Medicaid status or those who are older, with preexisting conditions, and have health issues. (I’ll not address the lies around keeping one’s doctor or hospital which is also commonplace in the new plans.) The young healthy that are needed in large numbers to prevent a premium spiral aren’t signing up despite the enticing ‘hoinsurance’ adverts the Administration are running.

The ACA is fundamentally flawed. It does nothing to ‘fix’ healthcare. It expands government control over 1/6th of the economy, but even with this control – it cannot rewrite the laws of economics and human nature.

For the hard left to keep insisting ‘all is well’ and we just have to fix a $600M + website that at best will support 65K concurrent users to ‘solve’ the ACA problems, it’s a gift that keeps on giving. It’s denial at it’s best…like the thrashing of their teeth when they realized Lurch lost to Dubya.

Athos on November 13, 2013 at 1:29 PM

Via the Daily Caller, here’s Kirsten Powers on Fox News last night recognizing the Big Lie for what it is. Skip to 2:35 for the key bit.

A.k.a. eternal dummy hit by reality, booom!

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2013 at 1:31 PM

Look at the future of a generation of Teated dependents on Uncle Sam.

http://www.kisscleveland.com/pages/java.html?article=11815092&desktop=true&desktopviewduration=72000

You’re seeing the future in this video.

Just get more and more people being less and less responsible for themselves and then you get the Progressive dream come true….a collapsing society that needs….A STRONGMAN.

PappyD61 on November 13, 2013 at 1:31 PM

Always bet on the Rs being stupid.

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2013 at 1:29 PM

There are pretty much two constants in US domestic politics today.

First, the Administration will lie for political expediency.

Second, the establishment GOP will always seek to pursue the agenda that will snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Athos on November 13, 2013 at 1:32 PM

These idiots voted for this law without reading it. Then they sought an exmption for themseles from the increased cost of the bill.
Now they want a free pass on their vote and it looks like the even more idiotic Republicans may help them get it.
If this bill passes the Dems get off the hook. WAKE UP!!!!!

MAKE THEM LIVE WITH THEIR VOTE. WE HAVE TO.

Ufdaubet on November 13, 2013 at 1:33 PM

In one fell swoop, the Democrats will have the GOP on record saving Mary Landrieu’s re-election in Louisiana by casting her as the one who saved Americans’ health care plans, and also getting on record as really being in favor of fixing Obamacare with the use of mandates. The GOP is walking right into the trap.

Landrieu’s in the senate. Bills involving taxes must originate in the house. Her bill’s going nowhere unless some idiot Republican in the house is allowed to sign on.

Akzed on November 13, 2013 at 1:34 PM

What good will this bill do? How can insurers suddenly reverse their business plan?

It’s going to hasten collapse, which is fine with me.

PattyJ on November 13, 2013 at 1:34 PM

Keep Your Plan Cover Your A$$ Act”

These people are truly pathetic.

BigWyo on November 13, 2013 at 1:35 PM

Second, the establishment GOP will always seek to pursue the agenda that will snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Athos on November 13, 2013 at 1:32 PM

That’s because there’s not a damn bit of difference between them.

Democrat or Republican, they mean to rule.

This has happened far too many times, in order to otherwise explain it away.

OhEssYouCowboys on November 13, 2013 at 1:36 PM

Note to republican elite. If the democrats are for something, be against it. They are not your friends, they do not care for the well being of the American people, they only care about themselves and acquisition of power.

That. Is. All.

jukin3 on November 13, 2013 at 1:36 PM

It’s going to hasten collapse, which is fine with me.

PattyJ on November 13, 2013 at 1:34 PM

I hope that you’ll be neither offended, nor embarrassed, if I propose to you –

on-line.

OhEssYouCowboys on November 13, 2013 at 1:38 PM

Full repeal. End of story.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on November 13, 2013 at 1:15 PM

+1!

Assuming all Republicans vote in favor of full repeal, we would need 15 Democrat Senators to break ranks and vote for cloture get a repeal bill to Obama’s desk.

Make Obama have to choose whether to sign it or veto it.

Assuming a veto, we’d need 22 of 55 Democratic Senators (40%) and 57 of 200 Democrat Representatives (28.5%) to break ranks and vote with Republicans to override Obama’s veto.

Difficult? Very.

Impossible? No.

ITguy on November 13, 2013 at 1:41 PM

Merkley defeated Gordon Smith (narrowly) by tying George Bush around Smith’s neck. Basic plan should be to do the same to Merkley with ZeroCare.
I’m from Oregon, and I think the general impression of Merkley is since 2008 he’s done nothing of note and has been nothing except an Obama rubber-stamper. Prob is, I don’t know who has the stature/resources here to mount a full-state challenge. I’m hopeful someone is planning to but is currently running stealth mode to avoid the inevitable onslaught of smears before the campaign.

Marcola on November 13, 2013 at 1:41 PM

Merkley’s not a typical blue-state Democrat. He won his Senate race in Oregon by fewer than four points in 2008, a year in which Hopenchange fever boosted Dems nationally.

Not enough wind to fly under Merkley’s own wings these days.

I’m with Rush on this one. All these Dems knew what would happen to individuals under Obamacare and said/did nothing until now. They shouldn’t be given a way out of three years of lying to us.

Happy Nomad on November 13, 2013 at 1:41 PM

Remember, the “Keep Your Plan Act” is technically called the

Keep ACA Fer-chrissakes Kicking Act

KAFKA

Zombie on November 13, 2013 at 1:41 PM

The tea party taken over the Democrat Party?

SC.Charlie on November 13, 2013 at 1:42 PM

Sidebar -

Because of the great music discussion that was had in an earlier thread:

I’m listening to Humble Pie – Performance – Rockin’ the Fillmore: The Complete Recordings:

And it is excellent!

It’s all 4 nights of their classic, Fillmore East concert.

OhEssYouCowboys on November 13, 2013 at 1:43 PM

I’d also like to see a “‘Louisiana Purchase’ Landrieu Must Return Her Commiecare Payoff Act.”

viking01 on November 13, 2013 at 1:44 PM

I can’t make up my mind if the Repubs are incredibly stupid or are just a puppet party under the control of the Dems. They never fail to bail out the Dems and to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Unbelievable!

neuquenguy on November 13, 2013 at 1:46 PM

Out with Landriew, Pryor and all the scumhags and scumbags.

NO more!!! Both sides’ traitors must go!!!

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2013 at 1:47 PM

The tea party taken over the Democrat Party?

SC.Charlie on November 13, 2013 at 1:42 PM

Apparently. It wasn’t much over a month ago when repeal or delay was considered right wing crazy talk. Dems called Cruz an arsonist, a terrorist, an anarchist, and other names for wanting to undo Obamacare.

Now, the Dems are strapping on the life jackets and waiting for the opportunity to abandon ship.

Happy Nomad on November 13, 2013 at 1:47 PM

Another interesting flip from a blue state Democrat – Senator Ben Cardin, D-Maryland, said on C-SPAN this morning that the IPAB, the Independent Payments Advisory Board, the unaccountable board created in Obamacare to effectively ration care to reduce Medicare costs, needs to be revisited.

The IPAB is the unelected and unaccountable panel that has been widely described as a ‘death panel’ since they will be making decisions and regulations to control Medicare costs….via the rationing or restricting of care.

It seems that since the law has been passed, and we’ve seen what is really in it, a number of Democrats are starting to put their own political survival before supporting Barack Obama or a legislative disaster like the ACA.

They main focus of the GOP has to be on repeal and replace. The clusterfark cannot be fixed. It’s too far gone. You have to scrap all 2200+ pages of legislation and all 20K+ pages of regulations in order to start.

Then the focus has to be on fixing the challenges we have in healthcare – and not focusing on expanding government power or massive wealth redistribution in the name of ‘fairness’ and ‘justice’.

Athos on November 13, 2013 at 1:48 PM

Now, the Dems are strapping on the life jackets and waiting for the opportunity to abandon ship.

Happy Nomad on November 13, 2013 at 1:47 PM

It used to be that that was what rats did – but, in this case, it’s pigs.

OhEssYouCowboys on November 13, 2013 at 1:49 PM

I’m honestly curious to see what, if anything, Obama can come up with before Friday to placate them.

You don’t have to be Carnac the Magnificent to know that throwing ungodly large amounts of money at the problem is going to be at the heart of any solution. Either creating more subsidies or outright bribing Congressional Dems to stay the course. Just like they did to get Bart Stupak to vote in favor of Obamacare.

Happy Nomad on November 13, 2013 at 1:52 PM

I still blame Benedict Judas Nelson…

OmahaConservative on November 13, 2013 at 1:52 PM

I might actually watch an Obama SOTU this January. It could be fun.

myrenovations on November 13, 2013 at 1:53 PM

Big Woop, I can say C.Y.A. stuff to. Of course I don’t have to.

Cindy Munford on November 13, 2013 at 1:54 PM

I’m hearing that if the insurance industry comes up short that an automatic bailout of the insurance industry is already baked into the Obamacare law.

This automatic insurance bailout would not require any congressional action.

In other words, if insurance companies are required to offer the old plans, and the insurance business loses huge amounts of dough $, then they will be bailed out, automatically, at the expense if tax payers. The question is, if this automatic bailout of insurance is true, is this something that benefits us or not? Maybe this can become a permanent part of the law, with much more gigantic permanent subsidies for the insurance “businesses.” In effect, affluent citizens would be getting major subsidies.

anotherJoe on November 13, 2013 at 1:55 PM

OmahaConservative on November 13, 2013 at 1:52 PM

Is he still catching heII from his constituents up there? Or did he flee the state?

cozmo on November 13, 2013 at 1:55 PM

Comical.

I do hope that the Republicans grind their faces in this, and refuse to let them save face. This is the most pathetic attempt by folks to cover their a$$es yet seen, I think.

These are the same f*ckwits who’ve gladly referred to us as racists, terrorists, hostage-takers, and more – for suggesting the same damn thing, and not very long ago.

F*ck them. Full repeal, or full implementation, Demtards – it is, after all, the “law of the land” (what happened to *that*, hmm?).

Midas on November 13, 2013 at 1:56 PM

There’s nothing wrong with the GOP supporting the Upton plan. It’s symbolic. It’s not like it’ll ever be signed by Obama. And even if it is, it’ll help destroy Obamacare, not fix it. Which the Dems ultimately own regardless.

In the end, the only true “fix” is repealing it. The real question is when vulnerable Dems start publicly calling for that.

Doughboy on November 13, 2013 at 1:56 PM

The only ‘cure’ for ObamaCare IS TO KILL IT!

GarandFan on November 13, 2013 at 1:56 PM

Another interesting flip from a blue state Democrat – Senator Ben Cardin, D-Maryland, said on C-SPAN this morning that the IPAB, the Independent Payments Advisory Board, the unaccountable board created in Obamacare to effectively ration care to reduce Medicare costs, needs to be revisited.

Athos on November 13, 2013 at 1:48 PM

Dems figuring out that all the enrollments in the world will not mean a thing when providers refuse to join the networks because they don’t pay enough. This is part of the proverbial “other shoe” which in this case seems to belong to a centipede.

Happy Nomad on November 13, 2013 at 1:57 PM

Obama’s answer is going to be to expand eligibility for subsidies. Just you watch.

Steven Den Beste on November 13, 2013 at 1:57 PM

The only ‘cure’ for ObamaCare IS TO KILL IT!

GarandFan on November 13, 2013 at 1:56 PM

That’s a death panel I could support!

Happy Nomad on November 13, 2013 at 1:57 PM

The only reason they would vote on “keep your plan” if they realized that their plans are going to be cancelled.

anikol on November 13, 2013 at 2:00 PM

Expect the ‘statesmen’ (McCain, McCon, Graham and the other Vichy Republicans) to ‘save’ the ACA.
For the good of the nation, of course.
And thereby lose the ’14 election opportunity that is just lying on the table, waiting for Republicans to pick it up.

Because stupid. That’s why.

orangemtl on November 13, 2013 at 2:00 PM

Version 2.0

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2013 at 2:01 PM

What the hell is wrong with the GOP? When your enemy is busy stabbing himself in the stomach you don’t sit there and hand him bandages…

There must be a better name than the “Stupid Party” because stupid doesn’t even begin to describe it.

mpthompson on November 13, 2013 at 2:01 PM

Expect the ‘statesmen’ (McCain, McCon, Graham and the other Vichy Republicans) to ‘save’ the ACA.
For the good of the nation, of course.
And thereby lose the ’14 election opportunity that is just lying on the table, waiting for Republicans to pick it up.

Because stupid. That’s why.

orangemtl on November 13, 2013 at 2:00 PM

Great stuff.

And, because, after all, it’s the law.

OhEssYouCowboys on November 13, 2013 at 2:02 PM

Yep, I’ve already seen Peter King swirling his Superman cape on Fox News today…Kryptonite is your friend.

d1carter on November 13, 2013 at 2:05 PM

I’m honestly curious to see what, if anything, Obama can come up with before Friday to placate them.

He doesn’t plan on doing anything. The Obama administrations actions thus far, have been entirely consistent with an organization seeking a fix to a, “marketing problem.” None of their proposals so far have been realistic or serious, rather, they’ve been intended to shift focus or direct anger elsewhere.

Right now, I think they’re most concerned with keeping House dems from jumping ship. They know that a, “keep your plan,” act, if passed and signed into law, would quickly force politicians to undo most of Obamacare. So Obama cannot sign it into law, and doesn’t want the bill to end up at his desk, or be held up in the senate, because of the political problems it’d cause in the upcoming midterms.

So he’s going to try delaying the vote, at least till December. By then, he probably figures he can tell House Democrats, that the damage has been done, and that there’d be no point. By that point, he probably just hopes that people will sign up to Obamacare by virtue of it being the only real game in town.

Which, of course, was their assumption all along, and hasn’t materialized so far.

WolvenOne on November 13, 2013 at 2:05 PM

There’s nothing wrong with the GOP supporting the Upton plan. It’s symbolic. It’s not like it’ll ever be signed by Obama. And even if it is, it’ll help destroy Obamacare, not fix it. Which the Dems ultimately own regardless.

In the end, the only true “fix” is repealing it. The real question is when vulnerable Dems start publicly calling for that.

Doughboy on November 13, 2013 at 1:56 PM

Repeal or delay, the desperate Dems are going have to get around the lazy stupid one’s ego to make anything happen. I see that as a Herculean task.

I’m not convinced he is even seriously looking at options to help those who have lost their insurance. He’s banking on assurances that the website will be fixed by December 1st and that people will suddenly fall in love with Obamacare when they see their new plans. The panic and abandonment from Dems is only going to increase.

Happy Nomad on November 13, 2013 at 2:08 PM

Is he still catching heII from his constituents up there? Or did he flee the state?

cozmo on November 13, 2013 at 1:55 PM

Haven’t heard a peep out of him…

OmahaConservative on November 13, 2013 at 2:08 PM

Last night a source told Greg Sargent that House Democrats were being whipped by the leadership to oppose Fred Upton’s bill, replete with warnings that rich liberals would turn off the money tap if they didn’t.

So the socialists who want to take producers money and give it to their parasites cannot survive without the super hypocrite limousine liberals (the 1%) financing them…

mnjg on November 13, 2013 at 2:10 PM

John Cornyn sure is getting tough and….visible now..?

d1carter on November 13, 2013 at 2:11 PM

Heh heh

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2013 at 2:15 PM

Don’t give people credit for fleeing a burning building after they voted for the fire. Kick these Democrats out in 1214 no matter what!

Chessplayer on November 13, 2013 at 2:19 PM

Schadenfreude on November 13, 2013 at 2:15 PM

Obamacare’s “Dirty Little Secret” Is The Individual Mandate Is Unenforceable

But that strikes at the heart of Obamacare’s funding mechanism- at least for 2014. This is why I say Fred Upton’s efforts are wrong-headed. Obamacare should be allowed to procede at least long enough to get that super wonderful website off the ground so folks can see just what they are getting for their money.

Happy Nomad on November 13, 2013 at 2:20 PM

The Stupid Party has an opportunity to actually help the country. Don’t hold your breath.

The critical problem we face is the imminent loss of coverage by millions of people, many of whom require ongoing treatment just to stay alive. Republican should call on insurance company leaders to help organize immediate temporary coverage for people who are losing their insurance due to Obamacare. Those with life-threatening illnesses must be given absolute priority. The government will have to foot part of the bill. So be it.

Republicans must also propose an alternative plan to get the industry back on its feet. This plan must include the absolute repeal of Obamacare. It should include removal of obstructions to competition in the industry to the extent they are not caused by state government regulations. Authorizing the sale of policies across state lines is the obvious first move.

Finally, they should have a plan helps provide coverage for those who simply can’t afford it but are above the Medicaid line. A tax break or credit for insurance costs would do it, although some fix for immediate out-of pocket costs would be needed. The coverage these policies provide should not be a matter of federal regulation. Period. The market and the states can get that job done well enough.

I’m not wedded to the particulars, but the entire Congress needs to move on mitigating the imminent disaster the Democrats have created with Obamacare. But Democrats are in denial and CYA mode, and I think a majority of Republicans still don’t understand the magnitude of the disaster we face or the human suffering and death it will leave in its wake.

People will suffer and die as a direct consequence of this insane debacle unless Congress acts immediately. I’m not optimistic.

novaculus on November 13, 2013 at 2:23 PM

In one fell swoop, the Democrats will have the GOP on record saving Mary Landrieu’s re-election in Louisiana by casting her as the one who saved Americans’ health care plans, and also getting on record as really being in favor of fixing Obamacare with the use of mandates.

The GOP is walking right into the trap.

Louisiana is overwhelmingly conservative and Landrieu is gone no matter what she does… There is too many chicken little on our side who like to see bad news in every thing…

mnjg on November 13, 2013 at 2:27 PM

Don’t give people credit for fleeing a burning building after they voted for the fire. Kick these Democrats out in 1214 no matter what!

Chessplayer on November 13, 2013 at 2:19 PM

1214? That shorthand for saying we should go medieval on them?

But you’re right. Don’t be in any hurry to get the ladder truck to the fire to rescue these people.

Happy Nomad on November 13, 2013 at 2:27 PM

What is a “merkley” anyway? Is that like a trimmed, more styled merkin?

M240H on November 13, 2013 at 2:28 PM

But that strikes at the heart of Obamacare’s funding mechanism- at least for 2014. This is why I say Fred Upton’s efforts are wrong-headed. Obamacare should be allowed to procede at least long enough to get that super wonderful website off the ground so folks can see just what they are getting for their money.

Happy Nomad on November 13, 2013 at 2:20 PM

There is no escape for Obama and his socialists form this disaster no matter what they do… It is over…

mnjg on November 13, 2013 at 2:28 PM

Louisiana is overwhelmingly conservative and Landrieu is gone no matter what she does…

mnjg on November 13, 2013 at 2:27 PM

Where have I heard that before? Oh, that’s right, during every election she’s run in. How’s that worked out?

Happy Nomad on November 13, 2013 at 2:29 PM

But that strikes at the heart of Obamacare’s funding mechanism- at least for 2014.

Happy Nomad on November 13, 2013 at 2:20 PM

I’m not sure what you are referencing as the funding mechanism, but the penalties fines taxes don’t fund anything in BarkyCare. They are just revenues to the government, not to the insurance companies.

If you are implying that the penalties fines taxes are inducements to force people to pay tribute to insurance companies to cover others, then you are correct, but in terms of the cash of the penalties fines taxes, that has little to nothing to do with BarkyCare or with helping out the insurance companies.

So, with the penalties fines taxes, it’s all gravy for the feral government. If people skip the overpriced “insurance” and pay the penalties fines taxes, then that’s free cash for the Washington monstrosity. If they skip the overpriced “insurance” and don’t pay the penalties fines taxes then it’s no skin of Washington’s nose and it only helps lessen demand for skyrocketing private health insurance and hastens the demise of private insurance companies and non-government health insurance, in general. As Charlie Sheen says, “WINNING!!”

This is why Barky and the America-hating leftists don’t really care about the enforceability of the penalties fines taxes. Either way, they win and, what used to be America, loses.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on November 13, 2013 at 2:29 PM

And is Kirsten Powers just now waking up to the subsidization aspect now?

M240H on November 13, 2013 at 2:30 PM

Don’t give people credit for fleeing a burning building after they voted for the fire. Kick these Democrats out in 1214 no matter what!

Chessplayer on November 13, 2013 at 2:19 PM

1214? That shorthand for saying we should go medieval on them?

Happy Nomad on November 13, 2013 at 2:27 PM

Heh. I like that. Iron Maidens for the lot.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on November 13, 2013 at 2:31 PM

I don’t understand what the GOP is thinking here. Why not have the Dems come begging to sign on to something to “fix” it, so that they can perhaps have leverage for other concessions?

This truly is the dumb party.

changer1701 on November 13, 2013 at 2:34 PM

Where have I heard that before? Oh, that’s right, during every election she’s run in. How’s that worked out?

Happy Nomad on November 13, 2013 at 2:29 PM

She did not vote for Obamacare in 2008…

mnjg on November 13, 2013 at 2:35 PM

BREAKING: Obamacare Enrollment Numbers To Be Released This Afternoon – Update: Carney Says They Will Be “Lower Than Anticipated”…

Resist We Much on November 13, 2013 at 2:32 PM

Ah. But will those be the “enrolled” or merely “selected” numbers? And who in White House press pool willask him to differentiate?

M240H on November 13, 2013 at 2:37 PM

I don’t understand what the GOP is thinking here. Why not have the Dems come begging to sign on to something to “fix” it, so that they can perhaps have leverage for other concessions?

This truly is the dumb party.

changer1701 on November 13, 2013 at 2:34 PM

The dumb party is the one that created Obamacare and now they are panicking to death after it has failed miserably as expected…

mnjg on November 13, 2013 at 2:38 PM

Now is the time for some repeal legislation. See if the Dems will go for it.

This law will never work and frankly I don’t want it to work, why try to fix it?

tommer74 on November 13, 2013 at 3:03 PM

Despite the painfully obvious fact that kicking healthy people off of cheap plans is how ObamaCare is supposed to work, the moronic Democrats in Congress who voted for it en masse three years ago and then stood by silently ever since while O repeated his Big Lie now demand some sort of quick political fix.

The difference … uhhh … is that, … uhhh … this time they have Obama.

There Goes the Neighborhood on November 13, 2013 at 3:11 PM

On the other hand, I really did enjoy watching a Democrat, for once in their sorry history of demagoguery, reject a suggestion that sounded good politically because it “would do more harm than good.”

How often do you hear a Democrat admit that some things that sound good don’t work?

There Goes the Neighborhood on November 13, 2013 at 3:13 PM

So we’re going to trade one mandate for another. And the insurance companies are screwed either way. They aren’t getting enough healthy people to sign up for the policies that cost double the old plans. If they have to grandfather in the old plans, they can’t make enough to pay for the new plans. And state insurance agencies would have to approve the old plans again, which can take weeks if not months.
Upton should withdraw his bill, otherwise he and the Reps will fall into a trap laid out by the Dems to force these mandates. We should be against ANY mandates.

keioki on November 13, 2013 at 3:32 PM

DemoRats are starting to sweat and feed off each other. Tempting to just board up the doors, turn off the lights and toss in a few foodstuffs. Sheer lunacy for passing a bill just so that they could see what’s in it. This was all about passing a bill that wasn’t read/understood before the elected Representatives and the President himself, voted for it/signed it.

But, rather than just watch, the Reps should propose a bill that would end Obamacare as we know it. Replace it by granting the currently uninsured a choice to hitch on to the current Medical Insurance plan offered to all government employees. Add in Medical liability reform. Remove barriers to Medical insurance allowing them to sell nation-wide….

stuartm80127 on November 13, 2013 at 3:36 PM

What happens to all the people with preexisting conditions who’ll have successfully enrolled on January 1 if O-Care becomes unsustainable or if, somehow, the GOP eventually manages to repeal it? Republicans have spoken for years of “repeal and replace,” not just repeal, but embracing Upton’s bill means they really do need to have their own plan to pay for the sick ready to go if/when Obama’s boondoggle finally loses Democratic support. That’s a nice problem to have, but still a problem.

The ‘pre-existing’ problem should be kicked back to the states where several were already handling it. The pre-existing problem is greatly exaggerated, mostly made up of people that CAN get insurance but don’t like the cost.

Republicans don’t have to have anything “ready to go”, that’s nonsense and a Democratic Party designed rathole. Simply striking down the ugly beast Obamacare improves the situation enormously. Any change after that should be towards deregulation and empowering states.

There are several Republican small-government plans to fix some MINOR problems in our healthcare delivery and insurance business. Here’s just two of them:

HR 2300: Yes, There is a Republican Plan to Replace ObamaCare

HR 3121: The American Healthcare Reform Act

slickwillie2001 on November 13, 2013 at 3:59 PM

I hope the Repubs don’t vote for this “Rescue the Dems” plan.

But, I’m sure they will snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, as usual

stenwin77 on November 13, 2013 at 4:12 PM

Can we just REPEAL the stinking law?

stenwin77 on November 13, 2013 at 4:13 PM

Screw any “Keep your plan” act. The feral government is just overstepping its bounds, once again, in order to lessen the disastrous effects of it overstepping its bounds before.

REPEAL.

There is nothing else to be discussed about the intellectual and Constitutional offense that is BarkyCare. Full repeal. End of story.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on November 13, 2013 at 1:15 PM

This + 1 Billion.

REPEAL OBAMACARE NOW!

Theophile on November 13, 2013 at 4:38 PM

Old Obama: If you like your health insurance, you can keep it.

New Obama: If you like your health insurance, you can’t keep it.

To Dem Congresscritters: If you like your seat, you can’t keep it.

Steve Z on November 13, 2013 at 4:43 PM

Don’t let Merkley get away with this, Oregon. Send him packing next year!

22044 on November 13, 2013 at 1:22 PM

You have no idea how much I’d like to see him gone. Even with all this falling down around his ears, though, I don’t have a lot of hope. Multnomah County never, ever goes red and it pretty much dictates to everyone else how elections go.

Sockpuppet Politic on November 13, 2013 at 5:13 PM

Merkley defeated Gordon Smith (narrowly) by tying George Bush around Smith’s neck. Basic plan should be to do the same to Merkley with ZeroCare.

I’m from Oregon, and I think the general impression of Merkley is since 2008 he’s done nothing of note and has been nothing except an Obama rubber-stamper.

Marcola on November 13, 2013 at 1:41 PM

Remember his commercial that blamed our debt on Smith? Then he immediately voted for increasing the debt ceiling three times after that?

This from the man who thought Russia had invaded the state of Georgia.

Good times, good times.

Sockpuppet Politic on November 13, 2013 at 5:16 PM

Is it just me? The smarter she sounds, the more rational and honest her political observations are … the hotter KP gets.

Huh.

Jaibones on November 13, 2013 at 5:31 PM

Next up:

The ruling elites will determine WHO doctors patients are and WHERE those doctors will be allowed to work!

Freddy on November 13, 2013 at 7:02 PM

Rs want to be seen as doing something. This is why Upton(you can keep your bulb if you like your bulb) has rushed forward trying to beat the dems to the ‘keep it’ legislation. Landrieu must be really desperate to keep that seat. There must be a lot of money riding on this. It just seems as if there is a trap waiting to be sprung on the Rs somewhere in this mix. The people with pre-existing conditions could have been covered for less than Zero paid for his stupid website.

Kissmygrits on November 14, 2013 at 9:23 AM