The obligatory “Typhoon Haiyan was a result of climate change” post

posted at 3:51 pm on November 12, 2013 by Bruce McQuain

First, let me say my heart goes out to the people of the Philippines.  This was a horrific and very deadly event.  And I can even understand their representative to the UN letting emotion carry the day when he said, before the UN:

“What my country is going through as a result of this extreme climate event is madness.

“We can fix this. We can stop this madness. Right now, right here.

Well, emotion aside, no we can’t.  As Bjorn Lomborg has said any number of times, the cost of doing what those who want to “stop this madness” want done would literally end life as we know it, ruin economies and yield, at best, marginal results.  Or said another way, we can’t afford their desired programs.

Then there is the reality of the day. Right now, for instance, carbon emissions in the US are at 1994 levels (and have dropped in most places around the globe due to the downturn in the global economy).  Then there’s the inconvenient fact that warming around the globe has paused for ten years and some climate scientists say it may stay paused for another 2o years.  And your guess is likely as good as theirs as to what the climate will do then.  It is hard, in the middle of possible 30 year pause in warming, to claim a single event has been caused by … warming.  But someone always will.

Finally, look on this side of the globe.  Hurricanes and tornadoes are down – a lot:

Summer is almost over, and as of Tuesday morning, not a single hurricane had formed this year. Tornado activity in 2013 is also down around record low levels, while heat waves are fewer and milder than last year, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

Meteorologists credit luck, shifts in the high-altitude jet stream, African winds and dust.

So it is possible that the “local” weather, in this case “local” is a rather relative term, in our tropics was cooler than the weather in the tropical region of the Philippines.  Is that something man has control over?  Or, is it something that an increasing number of scientists seem to be concluding – that various “local” climatic events have more say over our weather than does CO2?

Since I don’t accept the science is settled on this issue, I think we have a lot to still learn about our climate and how it works and what effects it.  To this point, I’m not convinced that a single trace gas that, until recently science said was a lagging indicator of warming, is not the culprit that spawns super storms like Haiyan.

~McQ


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Where is Algore on this?

OmahaConservative on November 12, 2013 at 3:53 PM

I can see exactly what he’s talking about. All those hurricanes that we’ve endured on the Atlantic seaboard this year have changed my mind about this.

What? Huh?

Never mind…

turfmann on November 12, 2013 at 3:54 PM

It was not even that strong. The idiots do not know the difference between kilometers per hour and miles per hour. True wind speeds were 147mph sustained with gusts around 170mph.

astonerii on November 12, 2013 at 3:55 PM

when in doubt blame it on the bossanova

DanMan on November 12, 2013 at 3:55 PM

The climate cult is as bad as the anti-gun cult. Always looking for a new pile of bodies to preach from.

Dr. Frank Enstine on November 12, 2013 at 3:55 PM

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/11/09/super-typhoon-haiyanyolanda-another-overhyped-storm-that-didnt-match-early-reports/

Scroll down to where they show the Philippine information on how strong the hurricane was.

astonerii on November 12, 2013 at 3:57 PM

All together now … meh.

Only Obama cronies with a green energy financial stake -and Hollywood inbreds like George Clooney- are buying this crap anymore.

M240H on November 12, 2013 at 3:58 PM

It was not even that strong. The idiots do not know the difference between kilometers per hour and miles per hour. True wind speeds were 147mph sustained with gusts around 170mph.

astonerii on November 12, 2013 at 3:55 PM

Get with the program. They are all super storms now. Up here in MA we had an unprecedented super snow storm that nearly brought the state to a standstill. We had accumulations of millimeters in some locations and I had to drive to work with my wipers running. I don’t think we have ever been subjected to such an epic storm in mid-November in like, I think, ever.

Dr. Frank Enstine on November 12, 2013 at 3:59 PM

… say, isn’t it about time for another HOTGAS Fat Maverick post?

M240H on November 12, 2013 at 4:00 PM

I’d like to know why the West is supposed to regress to the stone age in terms of energy production and usage… while all the while China and India are burning more coal every day.. and buying that coal from… US.

The atmosphere is global. What China and India produce spreads throughout the global atmosphere, so how is it that they are allowed to continue to use coal, and increase coal usage, yet we are harangued daily by the Climate Cult?

It’s extortion. Follow the money. Those most interested in regressing our energy production are the same people heavily invested in ‘alternative renewables’…or countries looking to get a huge influx of our tax dollars for pretending to ‘go green’ as they develop.

I agree with Australia’s new PM….it’s nothing more than ‘socialism masquerading as environmentalism’.

Oh..and as for George Clooney and his statement that those who disagree with him on Climate Change are “stupid and ridiculous” while he refuses to acknowledge the evidence that his position was born of disastrously flawed computer models… good luck standing on the side of the road next to your broken down Tesla 7 … and living down your new nom… “Looney Clooney”. Aunt Rosemary would be so proud.

thatsafactjack on November 12, 2013 at 4:07 PM

Face it, there never was any man made global warming. Natural cycles are what is always happening around the planet.

Not to denigrate any suffering as I have a special place in my heart for the PI as I have spent quite a bit of time in the Philippines, but let me tell you that a large part of the dead and injured are a result of the abject poverty in that country. Tons of buildings and houses collapse during the rainy season each year and kill dozens of people each week during the season. Shoddy construction, substandard materials, graft, kick backs and out right corruption are the norm.

Farmers dry their rice crop on the side of concrete highways during the summer. Buses and trucks go by contaminating the rice with their exhaust, but that is all they have to eat. Three generations of a family living in a two room shack with dirt floors and a tin roof, farming a few rice patties with a single water buffalo if they are lucky.

Johnnyreb on November 12, 2013 at 4:07 PM

Of course it was. Is anyone actually paying attention to these retarded proclamations about global warming anymore?

NotCoach on November 12, 2013 at 4:07 PM

when in doubt blame it on the bossanova

DanMan on November 12, 2013 at 3:55 PM

The Girl From Ipanema made the globe hot?

oldroy on November 12, 2013 at 4:10 PM

Clooney best take a look at Al Gore. He’s Al Gore in 10 years if he doesn’t stick to acting and helping Sudan.

22044 on November 12, 2013 at 4:11 PM

It was not even that strong. The idiots do not know the difference between kilometers per hour and miles per hour. True wind speeds were 147mph sustained with gusts around 170mph.

astonerii on November 12, 2013 at 3:55 PM

Get with the program. They are all super storms now. Up here in MA we had an unprecedented super snow storm that nearly brought the state to a standstill. We had accumulations of millimeters in some locations and I had to drive to work with my wipers running. I don’t think we have ever been subjected to such an epic storm in mid-November in like, I think, ever.

Dr. Frank Enstine on November 12, 2013 at 3:59 PM

Correct. In the global-warming religion, every storm is exceptional.

slickwillie2001 on November 12, 2013 at 4:11 PM

Yawn

neyney on November 12, 2013 at 4:12 PM

What China and India produce spreads throughout the global atmosphere, so how is it that they are allowed to continue to use coal, and increase coal usage, yet we are harangued daily by the Climate Cult?
thatsafactjack on November 12, 2013 at 4:07 PM

Because we don’t kill or arrest and imprison our protesters. It’s very safe to protest in the US and mostly Europe. Not so much elsewhere.

Dr. Frank Enstine on November 12, 2013 at 4:15 PM

Coastal populations in hurricane prone areas have skyrocketed over the past 50 years. The alarmists don’t take that into account when assessing the higher death and destruction.

Just wait until the next major volcanic eruption dumps enough dust and ash into the atmosphere to lower global temperatures 2-3 degrees over several years. World wide crop failures and famine will make people yearn for the good ole days of man-made global warming.

MichaelGabriel on November 12, 2013 at 4:15 PM

Obligatory, have fun with it if you desire.

22044 on November 12, 2013 at 4:16 PM

Then there’s the inconvenient fact that warming around the globe has paused for ten fifteen years…

FIFY.

No significant warming (and maybe slight cooling) since 1998.

NotCoach on November 12, 2013 at 4:16 PM

HOAX.

crosshugger on November 12, 2013 at 4:16 PM

Anyone that has spent time in the P.I. knows that they are ground zero for typhoons and that the building standards are very third world. I feel very sorry for them but they have always been clobbered by typhoons and always will be.

major dad on November 12, 2013 at 4:18 PM

Global warming is responsible for typhoons? That will be news to say, the Japanese. A typhoon was the main reason Japan was able to repel Mongols and Koreans who had invaded in both 1274 and 1281. I’m pretty sure that there wasn’t any “global warming” in the 13th century.

Of course I’m also sure that some liberal will correct me, seeing as how they like to re-write history.

It was not even that strong. The idiots do not know the difference between kilometers per hour and miles per hour. True wind speeds were 147mph sustained with gusts around 170mph.

astonerii on November 12, 2013 at 3:55 PM

Typhoon Vera smacked the hell out of Japan in 1959. Winds were recorded at 257kph(160mph)….and yes, that’s pretty damn strong.

~Knave

Renee on November 12, 2013 at 4:18 PM

Of course it was. Is anyone actually paying attention to these retarded proclamations about global warming anymore?

NotCoach on November 12, 2013 at 4:07 PM

There are only three types of people that come to mind:

1) The uninformed stupid people,
2) The somewhat informed but not critical thinking stupid people,
3) and, last but not least, the informed about all the statistics yet ignores all the relevant facts insanely stupid people.

The folks described in #3 are the ones that are the real danger to the human race.

Turtle317 on November 12, 2013 at 4:19 PM

Correct. In the global-warming religion, every storm is exceptional.

slickwillie2001 on November 12, 2013 at 4:11 PM

What I am talking about is that someone mistakenly or fraudulently changed the speed of the hurricane from 195KPH to 195MPH sustained with 235KPH to 235MPH gusts.
The only thing that made this storm a super storm is that it was 195MPH. But the reality is that it was only a 195KPH storm. Strong and devastating, but nothing at all as the most powerful ever recorded.
My wife has lots of family in Tacloban city and the surrounding countryside. We lost one of her great uncles to the storm. Fortunately, after many days waiting for word, we finally heard that as far as otherwise known, no other family members died. But we had to wait many days to hear one minute detail about the family.
Having the media and the environmentalists take advantage of the deaths in the Philippines for their crusade is disgusting.
All these hyped up made up extremes just left my wife distraught about how can they survive 40 foot waves and 30 foot storm surges, and 195MPH winds while we waited for word from the family.

astonerii on November 12, 2013 at 4:20 PM

Renee on November 12, 2013 at 4:18 PM

Emphasis the that in the sentence and you will understand my argument much better.
They claimed it was a 195MPH and it was not. It was not THAT powerful.

astonerii on November 12, 2013 at 4:21 PM

Only Obama cronies with a green energy financial stake -and Hollywood inbreds like George Clooney- are buying this crap anymore.

M240H on November 12, 2013 at 3:58 PM

Our government spent $22 Billion on climate change in just the last year. With that big a pig trough, there’s going to be a lot of people that will do whatever it takes to get a portion of it.

Socratease on November 12, 2013 at 4:25 PM

Strongest Western Pacific typhoons ever….Notice where Hayain ranks. Also notice the years of the top ranked typhoons. Only 2 in the top 35 typhoons in the last 22 years. Yet 23 between 1959 and 1983 in those 24 years. The earth must have REALLY been hot then huh?

1
Tip 1979 870 25.7

2
Nora 1973 875 25.8
June 1975

4
Ida 1958 877 25.9

5
Kit 1966 880 26.0
Rita 1978
Vanessa 1984

8
Nina 1953 885 26.1
Joan 1959
Irma 1971
Forrest 1983
Megi 2010

13
Marge 1951 886

14
Ida 1954 890 26.3
Nancy 1961
Emma 1962
Amy 1971
Wynne 1980
Betty 1987
Flo 1990

21
Vera 1959 895 26.4
Violet 1961
Sally 1964
Wilda 1964
Elsie 1969
Patsy 1973
Louise 1976
Elsie 1981
Mac 1982
Abby 1983
Marge 1983
Dot 1985
Ruth 1991
Yuri 1991
Haiyan 2013

KMav on November 12, 2013 at 4:27 PM

astonerii on November 12, 2013 at 4:21 PM

I see that now. Sheesh, could you imagine 195mph? That’s over 300kph.

Renee on November 12, 2013 at 4:31 PM

Then we can blame China. They are doing nothing to clean up their air.

stenwin77 on November 12, 2013 at 4:31 PM

The Girl From Ipanema made the globe hot?

oldroy on November 12, 2013 at 4:10 PM

The Girl From Impanema makes *everyone* hot.

GWB on November 12, 2013 at 4:34 PM

Meteorologists credit luck, shifts in the high-altitude jet stream, African winds and dust.

In my experience, there is no such thing as luck. /Kenobi

Othniel on November 12, 2013 at 4:36 PM

There are only three types of people that come to mind:
Turtle317 on November 12, 2013 at 4:19 PM

I’ve always heard that – but the 3 types of people I heard were:
1) those who can count
and
2) those who can’t

dentarthurdent on November 12, 2013 at 4:41 PM

I was on Okinawa for typhoon Tip, it was a monster. Back to the P.I. though, the before and after pictures of the town that was wiped off the map showed that it was sitting almost sea level tucked up right against the beach, no wonder it was devastated. Same thing happened on the barrier islands here during Hurricanes, Bertha, Ivan, Katrina to name some recent ones. Live on the water in a Hurricane/Typhoon prone area and its not if but when are you going to be washed away.

major dad on November 12, 2013 at 4:42 PM

CVN-73 is making way there now. I bet someone will be happy to Americans in the PI again.

squidly on November 12, 2013 at 4:46 PM

Typhoons are an annual occurrence in the Philippines and the country goes through several a year. I don’t know how old the UN rep is, so he might not remember a similar typhoon in the early 70s that flooded most of the farmlands in Northern Luzon. I was a young boy then, but I still remember it to this day because it was the only time I saw the farms in our town under 10 to 15 ft of water. It took weeks for the water to recede. No global warming then.

The survivors need help right now since there are stories of people taking food from the dead. The UN rep should focus on getting more help for the survivors rather that using this tragedy to further the global warming agenda.

noprism on November 12, 2013 at 4:54 PM

Wonder how much radioactive Japanese water was dropped across the earth as a result.

Bmore on November 12, 2013 at 5:04 PM

I agree with Australia’s new PM….it’s nothing more than ‘socialism masquerading as environmentalism’.

thatsafactjack on November 12, 2013 at 4:07 PM

That says it quite well.

It’s been that way since the 1970′s and the ‘population bomb’ combined with a ‘new ice age’ before it transformed into ‘global warming’…

Just another example of policy via ‘the ends justifies the means’.

Athos on November 12, 2013 at 5:09 PM

If the super typhoon that hit the Philippines was primarily due to the climate change which created the warmer surface and deeper sea temperatures as the AGW’ers claim, then why was it Haiyan that was the super Typhoon and not Wilma?

TD Wilma developed two days earlier and 1000 miles west of Haiyan yet it never developed into a typhoon. Haiyan, developing along the same latitude and in waters of the same temperature anomaly as Wilma, only started intensifying as it approached Wilma’s start point and then intensified into the super typhoon only as it ran over almost the same path as Wilma.

TD Zoraida developed on Nov 9 about half way between the two, in warmer waters, but about 500 miles south of the paths of Wilma and Haiyan and it’s path was always south of the former two. It has stayed a tropical depression and has reached the Philippines.

The unique condition attributed to Haiyan’s development was the lack of wind shear along it’s path. Could it be that Wilma, not much as storms go, was still enough to clear the way for Haiyan and “climate change sea temperatures” had little or nothing to do with Haiyan’s rise to super status?

Dusty on November 12, 2013 at 5:14 PM

whatcat on November 12, 2013 at 5:20 PM

Lolz. ; )

Bmore on November 12, 2013 at 5:26 PM

Too hot? Global warming! Too cold? Global warming? Hurricanes? Global warming. NO hurricanes? Global warming! Toothache? Global warming. Price of gold drops? Global warming! Car won’t start? Global warming. Obama sells out Israel? Global warming? Can’t ‘get it up’? Global warming.

GLOBAL WARMING. AIN’T NOTHING IT CAN’T DO!

GarandFan on November 12, 2013 at 5:27 PM

I see that now. Sheesh, could you imagine 195mph? That’s over 300kph.

Renee on November 12, 2013 at 4:31 PM

How much would that be in furlongs per fortnight?

Oldnuke on November 12, 2013 at 5:28 PM

As someone who recently moved to the Philippines, I’m a witness to the fact-free AGW hysteria here.
But what can I do?
Imagine if a Philippine citizen moved to the US & tried to lecture Americans about political issues.
I’ll have to limit my anti-Gore-ism rants to my Facebook page.

itsnotaboutme on November 12, 2013 at 5:30 PM

Lolz. ; )
Bmore on November 12, 2013 at 5:26 PM

The upside for today’s teens – they can blame “Climate Change” for their zits.

whatcat on November 12, 2013 at 5:56 PM

Where is Algore on this?

OmahaConservative on November 12, 2013 at 3:53 PM

He must be in Tennessee. It snowed there yesterday.

Gore Effect.

iurockhead on November 12, 2013 at 6:05 PM

The Philippines are a nice place. Beautiful country with nice beaches and some mountains to visit when you want to cool off from the tropical climate. The people are mostly friendly and very humble. Their government, for the most part only abuse their citizenry. This is a very poor Country and the infrastructure could only be described as weak at best. My prayers and thoughts go out to the people.

DDay on November 12, 2013 at 6:31 PM

Meteorologists credit luck

Ah, yes… The “scientific explanation”: if nothing bad happens then it was a result of ‘chance’, but if one drop of rain breaks a leaf from a tree it is ‘global warming’.

That’s like the guy who claims responsibility if the team succeeds, but denies involvement if the team fails.

ptcamn on November 12, 2013 at 6:35 PM

In case no one has seen it…

This is the UNCLASSIFIED version of DOD manual (300 page PDF warning) and the answer why the US “invades” other countries with its military when asked by the foreign government after a diaster is declared by a US Ambassador (or other qualifying US government personal in the foreign country).

http://www.fas.org/irp/doddir/dod/disaster.pdf

I do not like the US Military being the world police, however in cases like the recent typhoon I could not be prouder to see them rush in (after requested) because that is how Americans roll.

Flashback to 1973

F15Mech on November 12, 2013 at 6:48 PM

22044 on November 12, 2013 at 4:16 PM

Read it – two thoughts;
1. That column, generally should be called “on Pseudo-Religion.” It almost never offers real insights into mainstream religious issues.
3. at the very bottom – “is a fellow at the Center for American Progress.” This tells the tale, dunnit now?

massrighty on November 12, 2013 at 6:50 PM

So now local weather IS proof, lol.

xblade on November 12, 2013 at 7:01 PM

Why can’t we get these numbers out protesting?

CFACT rallies 50,000+ Poles against climate treaty

Murphy9 on November 12, 2013 at 7:06 PM

I agree with Bjorn Lomborg. He’s a highly intelligent guy he won at Wimbledon five times.

GreenBlade on November 12, 2013 at 7:11 PM

Hurricanes / typhoons / tropical cyclones need several conditions to form and intensify:

1) a circulating area of low pressure
2) warm surface water, at least 80 F
3) weak upper-level winds (strong upper-level winds break up hurricanes
4) a long “fetch” of open water

The Pacific Ocean undergoes cycles of ocean currents, between El Nino (warm surface water in the east, cooler water in the west) and La Nina (warm surface water in the west, near Asia, cooler surface water in the east).

In the La Nina pattern, Pacific water near Asia is warmer, favoring strong monsoons and the formation of typhoons, while weather in the eastern Pacific near the American and Mexican west coast tends to be calmer. Since there is a longer “fetch” of open water in the Pacific than in the Atlantic, Pacific typhoons can become stronger than Atlantic hurricanes before making landfall. Of course, this year was very calm for Atlantic hurricanes, which is also typical of the La Nina pattern.

The El Nino pattern leads to stormy weather along the American west coast, but the cooler water near Asia leads to weak monsoons and droughts in Asia, as well as decreased typhoon activity.

Sea water has a very high heat capacity, so that the entire Pacific Ocean cannot warm or cool very fast. While typhoons thrive on warmer water, they are more the result of “local warming” due to ocean currents which is compensated by cooling elsewhere in the ocean. On average, the total number of tropical cyclones in the world doesn’t vary much from year to year, but ocean currents can concentrate the cyclones which do occur in one region of the oceans in a given year.

Steve Z on November 12, 2013 at 7:30 PM

The climate cult is as bad as the anti-gun cult. Always looking for a new pile of bodies to preach from.

Dr. Frank Enstine on November 12, 2013 at 3:55 PM

All part of the same cult. As here;

Typhoon Haiyan; Gun culture of the Philippines hinders relief efforts- Telegraph

They conveniently forget to mention that under the Marcos regime’, guns were absolutely prohibited.

They also don’t mention that homemade or “Paltik” guns have always been a big business in the Philippines, going back to colonial Spanish times.

An excellent article on the subject is Homemade Guns of the Philippines by J. M. Ramos in the December 1982 Guns Magazine. If you don’t have the original (as I do) a PDF of it can be ordered here.

As one expert commented, to disarm the Philippines, you’d have to rip out all the plumbing.

clear ether

eon

eon on November 12, 2013 at 9:02 PM

The greenhouse science has the warming occurring from the top down, meaning less divergence of temperatures between the lower and upper atmosphere, meaning fewer and less severe tornadoes, hurricanes, typhoons, etc.

If they wanted to they could claim that the lack of violent weather this year is evidence of global warming. It would be a weak claim but less nonsensical than what they usually propagate. It doesn’t instill fear, quite the opposite, so it’s not useful to them.

Buddahpundit on November 12, 2013 at 9:14 PM

Taking into consideration Millions of years (if you believe they have the carbon dating models correct) we truly have no scientific data or witnesses modern day Greenies and Global Eco fabricators can dole out for whatever moon bat theory they want to back up their preposterous claims…. and shame you for debating it with facts.

The banking systems have already been set up for the Carbon TAXATION confiscatory economic rape…… Al Gore and his evil minions will insure global protection by creating poverty for the entire world… UH, except for those they deem worthy of Over-Lord status!

Barack Obama and the EPA and the GREEN Industry whatever the heck that comprises of… Have shifted Trillions into their collective buckets and haven’t saved, stopped or protected ans single solitary thing from any of their supposed threats to our planet, animals, agriculture or people!

ActinUpinTexas on November 13, 2013 at 11:44 AM

Taking into consideration Millions of years (if you believe they have the carbon dating models correct) we truly have no scientific data or witnesses modern day Greenies and Global Eco fabricators can dole out for whatever moon bat theory they want to back up their preposterous claims…. and shame you for debating it with facts.

The banking systems have already been set up for the Carbon TAXATION confiscatory economic rape…… Al Gore and his evil minions will insure global protection by creating poverty for the entire world… UH, except for those they deem worthy of Over-Lord status!

Barack Obama and the EPA and the GREEN Industry whatever the heck that comprises of… Have shifted Trillions into their collective buckets and haven’t saved, stopped or protected a single solitary thing from any of their supposed threats to our planet, animals, agriculture or people!

ActinUpinTexas on November 13, 2013 at 11:51 AM