The Obama administration has an exciting new-and-improved definition of an ACA enrollee

posted at 9:01 am on November 12, 2013 by Erika Johnsen

The WSJ‘s Monday scoop that around 40,000 to 50,000 people have so far managed to actually enroll through the federal exchange website would put the Obama administration at about an underwhelming ten percent of their October enrollment goal alone, or just over one percent of their total target for the six-month enrollment period; as Allahpundit already pointed out, those are hardly numbers worth wasting their collective breath over, since they’ll pretty much only serve to humiliate — but the administration has been promising all along that they will finally, officially release the first rash of enrollment numbers in a progress update in mid-November. I.e., right about now. What’s a hard-up administration to do?

Hey, here’s a wacky idea I can imagine being thrown around during the White House’s brainstorming sesh: The American layman might think that an ObamaCare “enrollee” is someone who has actually bought and paid for an insurance plan… but he could be wrong. Right?

Sarah Kliff at the Washington Post reports that the Obama administration will use a rather more inclusive definition than the ‘traditional’ one, and include both people who have actually purchased a plan as well as people who have an insurance plan sitting in their online shopping cart in their account:

“In the data that will be released this week, ‘enrollment’ will measure people who have filled out an application and selected a qualified health plan in the marketplace,” said an administration official, who requested anonymity to frankly describe the methodology. …

The administration plans to use this count of enrollees because that’s where their interaction with the healthcare.gov site ends, the administration official said. Insurance plans, rather than the federal government, are responsible for collecting the first month’s premium.

So, a rough translation would go something like: We don’t actually administer these insurance plans, so knowing when people have technically bought them is beyond our scope? What the what?

I have no idea how much that little maneuver will help them out — having a plan in your shopping cart means that you have made it through most of the HealthCare.Gov online process, and that’s still a crapshoot for a lot of people — but if it’s enough to make it at least vaguely sound like they are accruing some kind of total that doesn’t spell complete failure… count on it.


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Perfect.

Bmore on November 12, 2013 at 9:03 AM

There are many people who thought about enrolling, do they count?

hip shot on November 12, 2013 at 9:04 AM

So a liar gets caught lying, and so now his response is to…lie some more?

Flange on November 12, 2013 at 9:05 AM

Can you imagine a company like Amazon reporting sales figures that way? Including people who have something in their shopping cart or wishlist? I’m sure the shareholders would really go for that.

Doughboy on November 12, 2013 at 9:07 AM

So, does that mean the C4C program included as buyers people who test drove new cars…?

JohnGalt23 on November 12, 2013 at 9:07 AM

Obozo has also redefined failure and “Worst President Ever”.

Flange on November 12, 2013 at 9:07 AM

and Gov’t Motor sales next year will include test drives….*golf clap*

hillsoftx on November 12, 2013 at 9:08 AM

James O’Keefe reveals corruption at the heart of the president’s signature program.

Akzed on November 12, 2013 at 9:09 AM

New slogan for Obamacare: Costs more! Does Less!

Happy Nomad on November 12, 2013 at 9:09 AM

“Saved or created..”

The War Planner on November 12, 2013 at 9:10 AM

So, does that mean the C4C program included as buyers people who test drove new cars…? JohnGalt23 on November 12, 2013 at 9:07 AM

Yes, and the firemen who doused your burning Tesla are also counted.

Akzed on November 12, 2013 at 9:10 AM

James O’Keefe reveals corruption at the heart of the president’s signature program.

Akzed on November 12, 2013 at 9:09 AM

already shared it out on social media, as all Texans need to, as they also expose their role in trying to turn Tx blue…

hillsoftx on November 12, 2013 at 9:11 AM

“The President had a vision of 10 million enrollees, so suck it right wingers.” -Chrissy Matthews

Akzed on November 12, 2013 at 9:12 AM

they also expose their role in trying to turn Tx blue…
hillsoftx on November 12, 2013 at 9:11 AM

…with federal tax money.

Akzed on November 12, 2013 at 9:12 AM

Can you imagine a company like Amazon reporting sales figures that way? Including people who have something in their shopping cart or wishlist? I’m sure the shareholders would really go for that.

Doughboy on November 12, 2013 at 9:07 AM

Yeah, Amazon sales would include all the recommended stuff as well as what you actually purchase.

Happy Nomad on November 12, 2013 at 9:13 AM

So a liar gets caught lying, and so now his response is to…lie some more?

Flange on November 12, 2013 at 9:05 AM

Remember the scorpion and the frog. It’s what he does.

Oldnuke on November 12, 2013 at 9:13 AM

Can you imagine a company like Amazon reporting sales figures that way? Including people who have something in their shopping cart or wishlist? I’m sure the shareholders would really go for that.

Doughboy on November 12, 2013 at 9:07 AM

Yeah, Amazon sales would include all the recommended stuff as well as what you actually purchase.

Happy Nomad on November 12, 2013 at 9:13 AM

Or all the stuff that you looked at. That would boost those numbers!

Oldnuke on November 12, 2013 at 9:14 AM

So a liar gets caught lying, and so now his response is to…lie some more?

Flange on November 12, 2013 at 9:05 AM

and then cry racism…and go on vacation.

Been the MO of this bad seed since 2008.

workingclass artist on November 12, 2013 at 9:14 AM

Obamacare Will Be Repealed Well In Advance Of The 2014 Elections

http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevenhayward/2013/11/11/obamacare-will-be-repealed-well-in-advance-of-the-2014-elections/

Pork-Chop on November 12, 2013 at 9:15 AM

James O’Keefe reveals corruption at the heart of the president’s signature program.

Akzed on November 12, 2013 at 9:09 AM

Yup, God bless and protect him. Project Veritas is working hard to expose the truth.

Fallon on November 12, 2013 at 9:16 AM

I’ve heard of HealthCare.gov, am I counted?

NotCoach on November 12, 2013 at 9:19 AM

Well they haven’t said no, technically they can’t say no. So if they looked, they count. Makes sense.

onomo on November 12, 2013 at 9:19 AM

We’re still waiting to be called back by someone at CGI who might be able to delete our information from the website (Navigators cannot help with this request)…

First time hubby called, they said two days. Second time, three to five days. Third time, they said seven to ten days to be called back. I stopped holding my breath last week.

Now, I know why they won’t. They want to include us in the count.

Fallon on November 12, 2013 at 9:20 AM

Hey, good idea, everyone on a time clock, tell the boss that you are thinking of working a lot more hours, so he needs to pay you.

Or why even vote now, just that fact that someone is a democrat, it means they will vote so why even vote? Just count the “basket”.

The deal is in the “basket”, just put the money in escrow and we will work it out later.

So I guess that means now that all pregnant women, who have in the “basket”, that embryo (yeah, I know redundant) is now considered a child and no harm can come to it?

Abortion is now illegal under this administration, finally?

This guy in the white house will say anything before ever accepting responsibility.

That being stated, this is the best thing that has happened to this country…finally an insight to how stupid and foolish the liberals are.

And how RIGHT we are.

right2bright on November 12, 2013 at 9:20 AM

James O’Keefe reveals corruption at the heart of the president’s signature program.

Akzed on November 12, 2013 at 9:09 AM

Yup, God bless and protect him. Project Veritas is working hard to expose the truth.

Fallon on November 12, 2013 at 9:16 AM

A lesson for all right-wing parents. When your child tells you they want to major in Communications, or Video Journalism, or Art, encourage them, rather than telling them to get a degree in something “useful”.

The Left has used these skills to take over the culture. It is the next generation’s task to use them to take it back…

JohnGalt23 on November 12, 2013 at 9:21 AM

You know how easy it is to beat up oil companies because everyone has to go the pump.

Well, welcome to your own oil company, Obama!

bluemarlin on November 12, 2013 at 9:21 AM

This just in:

All you saps who got those Publisher’s ClearingHouse
Sweepstakes offers in the mail were Winnahs!

What you don’t believe me??

Don’t you remember those ads? “you may already be a winner!”

ToddPA on November 12, 2013 at 9:22 AM

I dreamed about enrolling. Does that count?

What if I dreamed about it five times?

fogw on November 12, 2013 at 9:23 AM

Let’s remember something else about these fake numbers. They are at 3% of their goal by including the fake enrollees. In the meantime we have spent millions paying 50,000 for “navigators” who coach people how to lie in order to get subsidies. So they have managed to sign up less than one fake enrollee for each navigator. $67M well spent!

And the really ugly part is yet to come. If the young healthies don’t show up the cost of Obamacare rates is going to climb even more. The stated goal is 17 million by March- how many of those are going to be fake enrollees and how many of those are going to be committing fraud by lying for subsidies?

Happy Nomad on November 12, 2013 at 9:23 AM

Counting what one leaves in their shopping cart is just insane. By that measure, Wal-Mart had record sales when the EBT system went down in Louisiana.

Happy Nomad on November 12, 2013 at 9:26 AM

I dreamed about enrolling. Does that count?

What if I dreamed about it five times?

fogw on November 12, 2013 at 9:23 AM

I dare you to go in the bathroom, light a candle, turn off the lights, and look into the mirror and say “Obamacare Obamacare Obamacare”.

Marcus on November 12, 2013 at 9:27 AM

(without reading the article)

I’m going to guess it involves lying.

Was I right?

Chuck Schick on November 12, 2013 at 9:27 AM

I actually agree with this. why pay now. just pay by dec 15.

gerrym51 on November 12, 2013 at 9:28 AM

“…the administration…release the first rash of enrollment numbers in a progress update in mid-November

comma 2014.

(Comma, comma, comma chameleons. Now you have that song in your head for the rest of the… week. Sorry.)

Tsar of Earth on November 12, 2013 at 9:28 AM

Obamacare is dead on almost every aspect except one, the Medicaid expansion which was the main goal of Obamacare, adding 15 million new people to Medicaid at zero cost to them and 100% cost to the other tax payers…

mnjg on November 12, 2013 at 9:29 AM

The more Obama pushes the fiction that the site is kinda working the less chance he’ll push to delay the individual mandate – which means when it finally blows up, it’ll be a doozy.

Ukiah on November 12, 2013 at 9:29 AM

Hey, here’s a wacky idea I can imagine being thrown around during the White House’s brainstorming sesh

Found the tape.

forest on November 12, 2013 at 9:29 AM

I saw the Alaskan Democrat Senator is making a big deal of personally enrolling in it. Well, he voted for it.
“See, I can’t get through, either! I’m JUST like you!”

Boy, he must be in trouble. Sorry Sarah isn’t running against him. Sounds like an easy win.

Marcus on November 12, 2013 at 9:30 AM

Obamacare is dead on almost every aspect except one, the Medicaid expansion which was the main goal of Obamacare, adding 15 million new people to Medicaid at zero cost to them and 100% cost to the other tax payers…

mnjg on November 12, 2013 at 9:29 AM

with a net gain of ZERO doctors to provide them services–BRILLIANT!

hillsoftx on November 12, 2013 at 9:31 AM

A lesson for all right-wing parents. When your child tells you they want to major in Communications, or Video Journalism, or Art, encourage them, rather than telling them to get a degree in something “useful”.

The Left has used these skills to take over the culture. It is the next generation’s task to use them to take it back…

JohnGalt23 on November 12, 2013 at 9:21 AM

This is the most f***ed up advice… The vast majority of graduates with the majors you mentioned above cannot get a job or they may get a low paying job at best that is not enough for good living and for paying off their tuition loans…

mnjg on November 12, 2013 at 9:32 AM

In the private sector this would be called fraud. From Fast & Furious to the IRS-Tea Party scandal to this, Dear Liar is looking at about 10,000 years in Club Fed.

rbj on November 12, 2013 at 9:33 AM

And yet, the GOP is planning to rescue the Dems by pushing to delay certain aspects of it. We just can’t get out of our own way, can we?

As an aside, Sarah Kliff is the “reporter” that said she wasn’t covering the Gosnell trial (in her blog about healthcare) because it was a local crime story. Interesting what she decides merits attention, and what doesn’t.

changer1701 on November 12, 2013 at 9:33 AM

with a net gain of ZERO doctors to provide them services–BRILLIANT!

hillsoftx on November 12, 2013 at 9:31 AM

Certainly most doctors will not provide them support…

mnjg on November 12, 2013 at 9:34 AM

Bush’s fault.

bernzright777 on November 12, 2013 at 9:34 AM

And yet, the GOP is planning to rescue the Dems by pushing to delay certain aspects of it. We just can’t get out of our own way, can we?

As an aside, Sarah Kliff is the “reporter” that said she wasn’t covering the Gosnell trial (in her blog about healthcare) because it was a local crime story. Interesting what she decides merits attention, and what doesn’t.

changer1701 on November 12, 2013 at 9:33 AM

Delaying Obamacare is a defeat to Obama and his socialists… Remmeber that they shutdown the government last month in order to prevent the delay that was proposed by the Republicans… It is too late now to change the perception of this utter disaster among the majority of voters…

mnjg on November 12, 2013 at 9:37 AM

So Obama, using your logic, should we count the number of people who have already had their insurance cancelled (5 million) or the number of people who know they will be cancelled but haven’t been notified yet (50 million)?

fogw on November 12, 2013 at 9:39 AM

James O’Keefe reveals corruption at the heart of the president’s signature program.

Akzed on November 12, 2013 at 9:09 AM

Yeah, that video is a must-see. Plus, O’keefe apparently has a brother working with him now, really smart at how he gets the “navigators” to spill the beans.

Keep rolling, JO, you da man!

TXUS on November 12, 2013 at 9:41 AM

Sarah Kliff at the Washington Post reports that the Obama administration will use a rather more inclusive definition than the ‘traditional’ one, and include both people who have actually purchased a plan as well as people who have an insurance plan sitting in their online shopping cart in their account

So Obama is cooking the books now with fake ‘assets’. It couldn’t get more Enronic than that.

Oh wait, Krugman defending this accounting fraud would …

*tapping foot while waiting”

Dusty on November 12, 2013 at 9:41 AM

The cemeteries could be full of indispensable people Obamacare enrollees…

mjbrooks3 on November 12, 2013 at 9:43 AM

the Obama administration will use a rather more inclusive definition than the ‘traditional’ one, and include both people who have actually purchased a plan as well as people who have an insurance plan sitting in their online shopping cart in their account

If Amazon included uncompleted shopping baskets as “sales,” Jeff Bezos would go to prison

David Burge ‏@iowahawkblog

ITguy on November 12, 2013 at 9:43 AM

As these establishment GOPs begin crafting bills to do what Tea Partiers wanted to do before the launch date, I think it is important to understand that legislation does not exist inside a vacuum.

The Tea Party politicians wanted to shield Americans from this terrible law. However, the law took full effect, minus all te exemptions that Obama illegally allowed. Any legislation to mitigate the harm caused by this law will effect the entire law, possibly creating different unforeseen, adverse effects. These politicians unveiling these bills are acting out of political hyperventilation from fear or excitement. This will not make for good legislation. This will merely compound the underlying problems with the law.

The GOP needs to call for a full repeal of the law and start from scratch. If not full repeal, ten everything that takes effect in 2014 should be repealed to start anew. This is 1/6 of the US economy. We should not be haphazardly amending it for political gain on either side.

The refrain must be “repeal an replace” and nothing short of that.

h a p f a t on November 12, 2013 at 9:43 AM

I actually agree with this. why pay now. just pay by dec 15.

gerrym51 on November 12, 2013 at 9:28 AM

That’s fine so long as you count somebody as enrolled when they actually paid. This administration is so dishonest they probably will double count. Once for adding something to your shopping cart and once when you actually pay up.

Happy Nomad on November 12, 2013 at 9:45 AM

Plans Purchased or Reserved

dookphan on November 12, 2013 at 9:45 AM

Obamacare is dead on almost every aspect except one, the Medicaid expansion which was the main goal of Obamacare, adding 15 million new people to Medicaid at zero cost to them and 100% cost to the other tax payers…

mnjg on November 12, 2013 at 9:29 AM

with a net gain of ZERO doctors to provide them services–BRILLIANT!

hillsoftx on November 12, 2013 at 9:31 AM

In fact it will end up being honored by fewer doctors. As the percentage of patients that offer doctors no more than the paltry rates of reimbursement in Obamacare, Medicaid, and Medicare increases, the fixed break-even point for a business will demand that more be turned away.

More: Medicaid’s Awful Results

slickwillie2001 on November 12, 2013 at 9:47 AM

The deal is in the “basket”

That’s a good one. I hope it makes official proverb status.

Dusty on November 12, 2013 at 9:50 AM

A BILLION dollars and counting!! A horrible waste of taxpayers money. What a scandal brewing.

karlinsync on November 12, 2013 at 9:51 AM

50,000 “navigators” have managed to sign up less than 50,000 dupes for Obamacare. So the navigators have not yet signed up themselves.

Happy Nomad on November 12, 2013 at 9:53 AM

Welcome to the ObamaCare shopping cart.

Now that you’ve chosen a plan you don’t like, and a plan you cannot afford, you’re just one two three four five clicks away from your desired purchase. If you want to delay payment, (while you get over the sticker-shock), we have personal navigators who can direct you to a nearby mental health facility in your neighborhood, to confirm your stupidity in completing this purchase. Please keep in mind that your are now counted as an enrollee, and an IRS representative will contact you soon to comply with payment, fine, or imprisonment—also known as “choices” your federal government promised you. Thank you, and have a nice day!

Rovin on November 12, 2013 at 9:53 AM

The man in the Oval Office is a lying criminal and should be impeached and imprisoned. His cronies should be arrested and tried for fraud and treason, as well. There may even be a public execution in there somewhere. It’s time to put a stop to this thuggery. Wake up people!

HomeoftheBrave on November 12, 2013 at 9:54 AM

In fact, didn’t you have to finish registering just to get the price quote? So basically, they’re counting anyone who even priced a policy?

bofh on November 12, 2013 at 9:55 AM

Oh crap! I’m in trouble. I’d better clear my computer’s cache – otherwise Home Depot, Grizzly, Midway USA, Bravo Company, Cabela’s, REI and Kohls can come after me for stuff that I’ve left in my online shopping cart.

Where’s that button again?

Hill60 on November 12, 2013 at 9:56 AM

The deal is in the “basket”

That’s a good one. I hope it makes official proverb status.

Dusty on November 12, 2013 at 9:50 AM

The deal is in the basket should definitely be the Congressional GOP response when the Dems come slithering forth to ask for a delay in the individual mandate just weeks after declaring this absolutely unacceptable.

Happy Nomad on November 12, 2013 at 9:57 AM

I went on a website that sells Mercedes Benz cars last week. I got as far as putting in my zip code to get a quote then saw the prices and was done with my 15 minutes of make believe shopping. Did the dealership I got the quote from list that I had purchased a car? I was never going to buy a Benz because I could never afford one. So Obama gets to count folks who looked at this mess of a website and decided mo thanks as Obamcare enrollees? Desperation thy name is Democrat.

neyney on November 12, 2013 at 9:57 AM

new standard – if you’ve heard of healthcare.gov you are counted as an “enrollee”

chasdal on November 12, 2013 at 10:04 AM

Lies are built into the system on purpose.

Soon everyone that just registered, but did not sign up, will be getting a piece of paper saying “Surprise! New rules – if you registered, you signed up.”

albill on November 12, 2013 at 10:04 AM

These are health plans saved or created. No, NO, health plans created and not canceled…yet.

I could do this all day long.

When you think about it the Obama regime should just say that everyone that still has insurance has a plan on the cACA exchanges.

jukin3 on November 12, 2013 at 10:05 AM

I did not have sexual relations with that woman.

antisense on November 12, 2013 at 10:09 AM

Homie drive by enrolly’s count too.

docflash on November 12, 2013 at 10:14 AM

So basically, if you’ve typed in healthcare.gov on your browser and hit ‘enter’ any time in the past 45 days you’re now considered an enrollee by the administration.

jon1979 on November 12, 2013 at 10:14 AM

with a net gain of ZERO doctors to provide them services–BRILLIANT!

hillsoftx on November 12, 2013 at 9:31 AM

Wrong.

With a net decrease of 40-70% of doctors. That’s Obama brilliant!

SMART Power!!!!!1111!!!elebinty

jukin3 on November 12, 2013 at 10:15 AM

This is not ‘fudging’.

This is fraud.

God help us all.

faraway on November 12, 2013 at 10:23 AM

Pass the buck…

sadatoni on November 12, 2013 at 10:24 AM

It’s called a double-tap — we get to count you when you put a policy in the shopping cart, and count you again when you check out.

That means every customer is two customers.

Now, if a private business tried that kind of shananagans in order to drive up their stock prices, the FTC would lodge charges against them so fast that their lawyers’ heads would be spinning…

unclesmrgol on November 12, 2013 at 10:24 AM

So what they’re saying is that this stumbling cluster of a website doesn’t actually do anything?

It’s a website equivalent of this guy, except non-functioning?

What would you say you do here?

Sgt Steve on November 12, 2013 at 10:26 AM

In fact, didn’t you have to finish registering just to get the price quote? So basically, they’re counting anyone who even priced a policy?

bofh on November 12, 2013 at 9:55 AM

No. I priced several policies with varying income levels and medical usage to counter a Michael Hiltzik article in the LA Times. I never had to register. But they’ve probably got my IP address, which means that I can be counted as a “hit man” in some way.

unclesmrgol on November 12, 2013 at 10:26 AM

the Obama administration will use a rather more inclusive definition than the ‘traditional’ one, and include both people who have actually purchased a plan as well as people who have an insurance plan sitting in their online shopping cart in their account:

So all of those EBT looters in Louisiana WalMarts owned all of the products that they placed in their carts?

blammm on November 12, 2013 at 10:27 AM

Wait. Chucky T said there was no spin in these numbers…who’s lying? Both.

d1carter on November 12, 2013 at 10:34 AM

If I remember correctly, I believe that is illegal according to accounting principles. I believe you can’t actually “book” an item until it has shipped or delivered.

lea on November 12, 2013 at 10:34 AM

It begins. Bubba Clinton just called on Dear Leader to honor the governments commitment to policy holders…HRC distances from ObamaCare.

d1carter on November 12, 2013 at 10:37 AM

If I remember correctly, I believe that is illegal according to accounting principles. I believe you can’t actually “book” an item until it has shipped or delivered.

lea on November 12, 2013 at 10:34 AM

Imagine if Obamacare had to do SEC-compliant quarterly reports.

slickwillie2001 on November 12, 2013 at 10:50 AM

This is the most f***ed up advice… The vast majority of graduates with the majors you mentioned above cannot get a job or they may get a low paying job at best that is not enough for good living and for paying off their tuition loans…

mnjg on November 12, 2013 at 9:32 AM

First of all, that is BS. People can find jobs with Arts degrees. They may not be in their field, or they may not the best paying jobs, or both. But work is there for people who know how to work.

Second, kids should not go into any college program with their eyes shut. But given all the info, lots of good conservative kids will realize that sacrificing some level of income may be worth it, for the opportunity to affect the culture. Which people in media, news and education get to do, far more than accountants, engineers, and stockbrokers.

You may not like that particular reality, but that doesn’t make it any less of a reality…

JohnGalt23 on November 12, 2013 at 11:02 AM

It begins. Bubba Clinton just called on Dear Leader to honor the governments commitment to policy holders…HRC distances from ObamaCare.

d1carter on November 12, 2013 at 10:37 AM

Yes, the Quickening has begun.

Who would have guessed? Billary ambition will free us of ObamaCare.

Tsar of Earth on November 12, 2013 at 11:05 AM

So, they use the “shopping cart” model. What happens if you put a policy in the shopping cart, then change your mind; dump it out and put in a different one.

Later, you change your mind again; dump it out and re-select your first choice.

Do they tally that as three ?

Bet they do.

kurtzz3 on November 12, 2013 at 11:05 AM

New improved definition of an ACA enrollee:

A person who will apply as soon as they quit smoking.

Fleuries on November 12, 2013 at 11:12 AM

So all of those EBT looters in Louisiana WalMarts owned all of the products that they placed in their carts?

blammm on November 12, 2013 at 10:27 AM

Yuppers – shoplifters can now be counted as “customers”.

Makes total sense – typical Dem move – just redfine the words as need them – “is”, “tax”, “enrollee”, “customer”,… “satisfied customer”.

I heard a good one from one of the Broncos players yesterday, when asked “Doesn’t it hurt the team when Manning gets sacked and fumbles?” His answer “No, but it doesn’t result in a positive outcome for the play.”

dentarthurdent on November 12, 2013 at 11:22 AM

A person who will apply as soon as they quit smoking.

Fleuries on November 12, 2013 at 11:12 AM

Well, now all they need to do is claim they might like to quit smoking, and they can count as non-smokers.

See – now wasn’t that a lot easier?

dentarthurdent on November 12, 2013 at 11:25 AM

I suspected this was what they would do; they’re habitual liars, and they want to pump up their results, so it’s predictable.

Yesterday I went to two online sites looking for Christmas presents, and at each site I put stuff in the shopping cart to take a look at it later and decide if I would buy. In both cases I ended up closing the tabs without buying. Under Obama administration definitions the two stores could count my carts as sold goods, even though no money did or ever will change hands.

Bernie Madoff, HHS advisor, came up with that variation on the ZeroCare scheme, am I right?

MTF on November 12, 2013 at 11:27 AM

Did you really expect the truth from the regime?

Kissmygrits on November 12, 2013 at 11:30 AM

Please remember that the media allowed Obama to create another metric that made no sense – “jobs saved”. The media will allow him to say and do anything he wants and will cover for him all day long. If the GOP play their cards correctly, they will remind people of this phony stat and continue with the platform that he’s a snake oil salesman or a flat out liar.

djaymick on November 12, 2013 at 11:33 AM

Total number of people working (i.e. jobs) is 9.5 million fewer than when Obama took over the economy. Yet he says he has single handily created 6 million jobs.

You think he will have any trouble with fudging numbers for cACA Obama HellCare?

jukin3 on November 12, 2013 at 11:50 AM

So a liar gets caught lying, and so now his response is to…lie some more?

Flange on November 12, 2013 at 9:05 AM

In the Liar in Chief’s mind it’s not lying if the lemmings believe it.

HiJack on November 12, 2013 at 12:33 PM

It begins. Bubba Clinton just called on Dear Leader to honor the governments commitment to policy holders…HRC distances from ObamaCare.

d1carter on November 12, 2013 at 10:37 AM

Not to go OT, and I CANNOT believe I’m thinking this, but Elizabeth Warren isn’t looking too bad these days. But that’s for a different thread.

HiJack on November 12, 2013 at 12:38 PM

Fooling the sheepleton is all the thuggish frauds know.

Schadenfreude on November 12, 2013 at 12:57 PM

Not to go OT, and I CANNOT believe I’m thinking this, but Elizabeth Warren isn’t looking too bad these days. But that’s for a different thread.

HiJack on November 12, 2013 at 12:38 PM

You drinkum too much firewater me think.

slickwillie2001 on November 12, 2013 at 4:21 PM