Is it too late for “Keep Your Plan?”

posted at 9:41 pm on November 12, 2013 by Mary Katharine Ham

Either version of the law (Upton’s or Landrieu’s) likely creates an adverse selection problem that will further hurt the insurance industry, which let’s recall, was in bed with the administration on Obamacare because of all the new customers that would be required to buy its product. Obamacare has, with an impressive combination of incompetence and irony, seemingly been optimized to create a death spiral.

But is it logistically possible for people to keep their plans? For insurance companies to reinstate them? John McCormack at the Weekly Standard:

With millions of Americans losing their health insurance because of Obamacare, bills have been introduced in Congress to let people keep their plans.

But health industry consultant Bob Laszewski says it’s too late for these measures to help Americans losing their policies on January 1. If Congress and the president agreed to a new law, insurance companies would still need time to re-open canceled plans, state insurance commissioners would have to expedite the approval of those plans (a process that usually takes months), and Americans would need time to choose to sign up for their old plan or hold out for a subsidized Obamacare plan. “You’ve got to have a process where [insurers] send them a letter, and you have to work with their questions, and they have to affirmatively sign up for left or right,” Laszewski tells THE WEEKLY STANDARD. “You’re not going to do that in six weeks.”

Health policy expert Jim Capretta of the Ethics and Public Policy Center disagrees with that assessment. “I think this notion that ‘Oh, you know, it’ll take too long’ is just an excuse,” says Capretta, a former Associate Director at the White House Office of Management and Budget.

Capretta points to California, where the insurance commissioner forced Blue Shield to delay cancellations for over 100,000 people because of a technicality (the insurer sent its cancellation letters out later than required by law).

There is a chance that, even if already canceled policies can’t be replaced, maybe those currently scheduled for cancellation in 2014 could be saved:

Although Laszewski thinks it’s too late to help people losing their plans on January 1, he says there is enough time to save the plans of millions of Americans who haven’t lost their plans yet but will at some point in 2014. “There’s enough time not to send the cancellation letters out for April, May, June,” he says.

Cancellation letters will continue to go out in 2014 as plans expire each month, and some people were able to renew their current plans through December of 2014. “People who haven’t gotten the cancellation letter yet, or people like me who took the early renewal and my renewal date is now December of 2014, hopefully you can conceivably get something done by then,” says Laszewski.

There’s political pressure for Congress to make sure people can keep their plans, but there’s existential pressure on insurance companies to prevent them from keeping them. What do the poll numbers look like, pray tell, on a bailout for insurance companies?

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Repeal.

Bmore on November 12, 2013 at 9:49 PM

Jeebus, you couldn’t script a larger clusterfluck than this if you had a room packed with 100 bestselling authors and 10 years to write it; what a rolling, flaming disaster.

Bishop on November 12, 2013 at 9:49 PM

Bishop on November 12, 2013 at 9:49 PM

It has been Flawless.

Bmore on November 12, 2013 at 9:50 PM

They broke it, they have to buy it.

22044 on November 12, 2013 at 9:50 PM

REPEAL

jawkneemusic on November 12, 2013 at 9:51 PM

Burn, baby, burn. Only a repeal will do, and that’s not likely.

Philly on November 12, 2013 at 9:53 PM

Repubs should do nothing to help this train wreck

Rush was right….
They were all saying it was going to implode, so let it…no need to shut down the government.

Well it is imploding, and now they will try to help save it???

Seriously GOP?

MityMaxx on November 12, 2013 at 9:53 PM

how many goddamn posts do we need on this topic…it is boring as phuck

nonpartisan on November 12, 2013 at 9:55 PM

nonpartisan on November 12, 2013 at 9:55 PM

You’ve lost.

Bmore on November 12, 2013 at 9:55 PM

If an idiot puts on a beard of bees and then starts yelling for help!… ~close the door and turn up the music.

Stupid has to learn from its follies on its own.

profitsbeard on November 12, 2013 at 9:58 PM

Boy, the Inurance companies are really going to pay the price for this. But, did they have a choice-trying to stay viable before and after this rollout debacle? Anyway you look at it, we will all pay the price in the long run, no matter what happens. “Stuff” rolls down hill.

Static21 on November 12, 2013 at 9:58 PM

how many goddamn posts do we need on this topic…it is boring as phuck

nonpartisan on November 12, 2013 at 9:55 PM

Own the fail bish.

Murphy9 on November 12, 2013 at 9:58 PM

Turns out Obamacare is the problem it was trying to solve.

Dhuka on November 12, 2013 at 9:58 PM

When you have an unqualified candidate as Preezy, you reap what you sow. The magnitude of this disaster is unprecedented. Even if the website works well, if the young uns don’t sign up, there goes ACA down the tube. The dems just commited political suicide. They just don’t know it as yet. But the politically astute dems are beginning to get it. Koolaid hangover.

tommy71 on November 12, 2013 at 9:58 PM

I’m afraid squishy Republicans will bailout Obama and the insurance companies. Hope I’m wrong.

MT on November 12, 2013 at 9:59 PM

Nuclear Meltdown :

Once the fuel elements of a reactor begin to melt, the fuel cladding has been breached, and the nuclear fuel (such as uranium, plutonium, or thorium) and fission products (such as cesium-137, krypton-85, or iodine-131) within the fuel elements can leach out into the coolant. Subsequent failures can permit these radioisotopes to breach further layers of containment. Superheated steam and hot metal inside the core can lead to fuel-coolant interactions, hydrogen explosions, or water hammer, any of which could destroy parts of the containment. A meltdown is considered very serious because of the potential for radioactive materials to breach all containment and escape (or be released) into the environment, resulting in radioactive contamination and fallout, and potentially leading to radiation poisoning of people and animals nearby.

MichaelGabriel on November 12, 2013 at 9:59 PM

“death by a thousand cuts’…
stand back…get out of the way..dont get any of it on ya…
remind your voters back home…”i didnt vote for this”…
and have a Repeal Bill at the ready…

going2mars on November 12, 2013 at 9:59 PM

GOP must not give the Dems a life raft. No assistance, let it burn.

Even if Obama comes begging. We were called terrorists, Neandethals, crazies and worse just weeks ago simply for trying to save the RATS from themselves. Tell them to go pound sand.

matthew8787 on November 12, 2013 at 10:00 PM

Repeal and Impeach…

d1carter on November 12, 2013 at 10:01 PM

Repubs should do nothing to help this train wreck

Rush was right….
They were all saying it was going to implode, so let it…no need to shut down the government.

Well it is imploding, and now they will try to help save it???

Seriously GOP?

MityMaxx on November 12, 2013 at 9:53 PM

Repubs should have some viable plan other than Obamcare plan sucks-which it does. I also agree, though, for the immediate future, just get out of the way, and let it happen.

Static21 on November 12, 2013 at 10:02 PM

Either version of the law (Upton’s or Landrieu’s) likely creates an adverse selection problem that will further hurt the insurance industry, which let’s recall, was in bed with the administration on Obamacare because of all the new customers that would be required to buy its product.

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Thank you, MKH for clearly stating upfront what has been ignored so far this week in the Hot Air posts on this topic.

But health industry consultant Bob Laszewski says it’s too late for these measures to help Americans losing their policies on January 1.

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Mr. Laszewski helped underscore some early problems but don’t lose sight of the fact that HIS livelihood is directly derived from these self same health insurance companies who were in on the scam from the beginning.

What do the poll numbers look like, pray tell, on a bailout for insurance companies?

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As previously stated on another thread – given the free fall in Democratic politicians’s poll numbers, by Christmas the Democrats in both houses of Congress will be publicly calling for the waterboarding of any health insurance executives who claim “you CAN’T have the policy you liked BACK.”

PolAgnostic on November 12, 2013 at 10:02 PM

Repeal and Impeach…

d1carter on November 12, 2013 at 10:01 PM

im for both…in either order…

going2mars on November 12, 2013 at 10:03 PM

Lord, deliver us from Obamacare!

22044 on November 12, 2013 at 10:04 PM

NPR: With Pressure From All Sides, Obamacare Vise Tightens On Dems.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2013/11/12/244839260/with-pressure-from-all-sides-obamacare-vise-tightens-on-dems

anotherJoe on November 12, 2013 at 10:04 PM

how many goddamn posts do we need on this topic…it is boring as phuck

nonpartisan on November 12, 2013 at 9:55 PM

LOL! Get used to it. This is the LEFT’S ‘New Normal’. You voted for this… twice. What’s wrong… buyer’s remorse?

thatsafactjack on November 12, 2013 at 10:04 PM

REPEAL!

thatsafactjack on November 12, 2013 at 10:05 PM

how many goddamn posts do we need on this topic…it is boring as phuck

nonpartisan on November 12, 2013 at 9:55 PM

Enough until lefties like you finally show up to explain this all since you’ve been avoiding the topic as if it were a store filled with guns and U.S. flags.

So waddya think, all these demorat pols running like hell from DeathCare, are they seditionist traitorous racists?

Bishop on November 12, 2013 at 10:06 PM

how many goddamn posts do we need on this topic…it is boring as phuck
nonpartisan on November 12, 2013 at 9:55 PM

We need thousands of posts, we need thousands of
websites created to remind the American public
who created ObamaCare and who voted for
ObamaCare. We need every conservative pundit
using ObamaCare like a sledge hammer to
pound every democratic politician into a pulp.
We need to create infomercials running 24/7/365
to remind everyone what the progressives have
done. We need to buy every God Damn billboard
in America to remind everyone that
ObamaCare is owned lock, stock and
two smoking barrels by the democrats.
Get that Bill Clinton video and run it
24/7/365 on as many cable channels as
we can get it on.
This my friend is not boring. Time to fight
and bring all the shit we have to all the
liberal blue hell holes as well!

redguy on November 12, 2013 at 10:07 PM

how many goddamn posts do we need on this topic…it is boring as phuck

nonpartisan on November 12, 2013 at 9:55 PM

Hurts that your hero and his henchwoman screwed things up so badly, doesn’t it?

Threads about ObozoCare are much preferable to “Fatman” threads, which we have had far too many of recently.

If you’re not happy, you can always go back to Kos.

bw222 on November 12, 2013 at 10:08 PM

Is it too late to save what’s left of our country?

bgibbs1000 on November 12, 2013 at 10:09 PM

Looks like a coffee cup in the pic,, but I keep seeing a xyclon-b cannister.

wolly4321 on November 12, 2013 at 10:10 PM

No.

Bmore on November 12, 2013 at 10:10 PM

Is it too late to save what’s left of our country?

bgibbs1000 on November 12, 2013 at 10:09 PM

A lot of the rot is in the people. A free republic is incompatible with an immoral populace.

Murphy9 on November 12, 2013 at 10:10 PM

No, it’s not at all to late for “you can keep your plan”.

Just today, California and the companies serving the individual market in the state agreed to extend existing policies (that have been canceled) for two additional months.

Another way to extend policies is to offer individuals access to the employer and multi-employer plans that were extended by administrative fiat.

A third possibility is merely to incentivize insurers to offer new private market policies, like catastrophic plans, that the market wants and ObamaCare outlaws.

The biggest problem is going to be the “assigned risk pools” where sick people have traditionally gone for coverage. The insurers don’t want those customers back, and were delighted to help write regulations to send those customers to ObamaCare. The President and Congressional Democrats have screwed those folks to a fare thee well. States might have some solutions to suggest.

MTF on November 12, 2013 at 10:11 PM

nonpartisan on November 12, 2013 at 9:55 PM

We’re not the least ‘bored’ by these threads on Obamacare and Obama’s massive failure…but thanks so much for the whine… it’s delicious. When you come back be sure to bring your friends.

thatsafactjack on November 12, 2013 at 10:11 PM

Still not a peep about Project Veritas’s latest expose…

Murphy9 on November 12, 2013 at 10:13 PM

Jeebus, you couldn’t script a larger clusterfluck than this if you had a room packed with 100 bestselling authors and 10 years to write it; what a rolling, flaming disaster.

Bishop on November 12, 2013 at 9:49 PM

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It just occurred to me why I have a sense of deja vu regarding the Obamacare Core Meltdown we are observing.

This is EXACTLY what it felt like when Nixon’s web of lies came completely apart after the Supreme Court forced the turnover of the tapes.

Every day something new and WORSE came out … and the worse it was, the more you HAD to find out the next day what had been released.

And the rare person who voiced this type of opinion:

how many goddamn posts do we need on this topic…it is boring as phuck

nonpartisan on November 12, 2013 at 9:55 PM

.
Was literally looked at as a gibbering idiot. I heard people reply,

“Are you REALLY so dense you don’t see this as a unique moment in history?”

Of course, that was before the internet – so the number of gibbering idiots in public was a MUCH smaller number. ;)

PolAgnostic on November 12, 2013 at 10:14 PM

Hey nonp-

Don’t it make your brown eye,
don’t it make your brown eye,

Don’t it make your brown eye blue?

wolly4321 on November 12, 2013 at 10:15 PM

how many goddamn posts do we need on this topic…it is boring as phuck

nonpartisan on November 12, 2013 at 9:55 PM

Been looking for you guys… where is Libby and DoucheBear and Verbalstools? We’ve all been waiting for the local spin…

The Preezy’s Signature Achievement™ has him on the ropes and politically cornered, and his heretofore lockstep partisans are turning on each other like rats in a slum fire…

Boring as phuck…

PointnClick on November 12, 2013 at 10:15 PM

MTF on November 12, 2013 at 10:11 PM

Governor Fallin says we’ve got about 850 people in Oklahoma who are already in the ‘screwed to a fare thee well’ category.

Obamacare Website Woes Could Hurt Hundreds of High Risk Patients In Oklahoma

thatsafactjack on November 12, 2013 at 10:16 PM

If you’re not happy, you can always go back to Kos.

bw222 on November 12, 2013 at 10:08 PM


I’ve got my trolls mixed up
– was it this one or “LovedMyMother” who directly plagiarized a post from HuffPo and posted over here on QOTD as their own?

PolAgnostic on November 12, 2013 at 10:17 PM

Bishop on November 12, 2013 at 10:06 PM

Ouch,I even felt that one.clink

docflash on November 12, 2013 at 10:17 PM

I’ve got my trolls mixed up – was it this one or “LovedMyMother” who directly plagiarized a post from HuffPo and posted over here on QOTD as their own?

PolAgnostic on November 12, 2013 at 10:17 PM

Last night I think, loveofcountry copypasted an article from dailykos.

Murphy9 on November 12, 2013 at 10:18 PM

“Mr. Obama, I told you not to touch that button! Those missiles can’t be called back!”

Obama :
“Nobody told me nuttin.”

MichaelGabriel on November 12, 2013 at 10:18 PM

Still not a peep about Project Veritas’s latest expose…

Murphy9 on November 12, 2013 at 10:13 PM

One fired, three suspended after undercover health care video

Read more: http://www.myfoxdfw.com/story/23950361/one-fired-three-suspended-after-undercover-health-care-video#ixzz2kUZA2QjJ

kcewa on November 12, 2013 at 10:18 PM

how many goddamn posts do we need on this topic…it is boring as phuck

nonpartisan on November 12, 2013 at 9:55 PM

Yeah shut up Republicans… Do not speak the truth anymore… The truth hurts it exposing that Obama and his socialists are the biggest liars and frauds on the planet…

mnjg on November 12, 2013 at 10:19 PM

What do the poll numbers look like, pray tell, on a bailout for insurance companies?

They WANTED ObamaCare. Screw them, they GOT ObamaCare!

GarandFan on November 12, 2013 at 10:20 PM

So, someone will just MANDATE that these Insurance Companies violate the LAW????? These people act like the Companies CHOSE to cancel the policies!! The Obamacare law demanded it! Because they had to write a policy per the coverage requirements of Obamacare and they had a date certain to get this done.

The talking heads act like this whole thing is a voluntary option and not a Law.

Geesh, they give me a headache.

bluefox on November 12, 2013 at 10:20 PM

When you come back be sure to bring your friends. thatsafactjack on November 12, 2013 at ..

Lovesocks can’t type.

wolly4321 on November 12, 2013 at 10:20 PM

One fired, three suspended after undercover health care video

Read more: http://www.myfoxdfw.com/story/23950361/one-fired-three-suspended-after-undercover-health-care-video#ixzz2kUZA2QjJ

kcewa on November 12, 2013 at 10:18 PM

Dana Loesch interviewed him this afternoon. He has over 200 hours of video that he will be leaking bit by bit to expose the leftist fraud.

Murphy9 on November 12, 2013 at 10:21 PM

PolAgnostic on November 12, 2013 at 10:14 PM

i went back about a week ago and re-read all that Nixon Watergate deal.
cuz like you…this reminds me of that…
drip by drip…what did he now..and when did he know it..drip drip..
did he lie to get elected..??..
fraud…bait n switch,,…will we get a john dean??..who??

smells like Nixon 1972-1973ish..

going2mars on November 12, 2013 at 10:21 PM

how many goddamn posts do we need on this topic…it is boring as phuck
nonpartisan on November 12, 2013 at 9:55 PM

Answer: All of ‘em; you leftist douche-nozzle. It’s hard to watch your beliefs go up in flames, isn’t it? Probably especially bad when, the ‘Gun-clinging, church-going, tea-bagging, racsist, hate-mongers’ all told you every minute of this would happen, before it happened.

And you forgot the capital ‘G’ in “Goddamn”, scumbag.

a5minmajor on November 12, 2013 at 10:21 PM

If you like your plan, you can keep it. Period.

- President Barack Obama

President Obama is a fantastic representative of the US – a physical speciman with his statuesque height (very noticeable when he towers over other world leaders) and his charismatic personality that belies his towering intellect

nonpartisan on April 27, 2013 at 9:43 PM

People need to grow up and stop assuming that there’s always a cover up or government incompetence involved.

nonpartisan on May 1, 2013 at 5:16 PM

Obama has kept his promise of having a transparent administration.

nonpartisan on May 15, 2013 at 8:03 PM

bagger revolution!!!!!

nonpartisan on April 28, 2013 at 10:37 AM

frankly, Im not informed enough to give an answer.

nonpartisan on May 1, 2013 at 7:44 PM

Resist We Much on November 12, 2013 at 10:22 PM

wolly4321 on November 12, 2013 at 10:20 PM

lol! I realized after I posted that he likely doesn’t have any friends.:)

thatsafactjack on November 12, 2013 at 10:22 PM

How many posts do we need on this topic?

Enough to ruin Christmas 2013 for every Democrat in America. They ruined my Christmas in 2009 with their corrupt legerdemain shoving this monstrosity down our throats.

Payback is a b+tch.

matthew8787 on November 12, 2013 at 10:23 PM

Wake up the GOP….

ObamaCare for AlQaeda

faraway on November 12, 2013 at 10:26 PM

how many goddamn posts do we need on this topic…it is boring as phuck
nonpartisan on November 12, 2013 at 9:55 PM

Whether you agree or disagree with the policy, you must understand his intention is noble.

nonpartisan on April 22, 2013 at 8:05 PM

nobar on November 12, 2013 at 10:26 PM

We need a rhyming scheme to repeat, repeat, repeat for LiV who are only able to grasp ideas at that level. Something like “If it does not fit, you must acquit” kind of rhyming.
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If not repealed, we won’t be healed.
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You must repeal or you must yield.
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Healthcare overreach deserves to be impeached.
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Someone has to have a good idea for a rhyming pattern which reaches the masses efficiently and quickly.

ExpressoBold on November 12, 2013 at 10:26 PM

Resist We Much on November 12, 2013 at 10:22 PM

THAT, dear lady, was a thing of beauty… ROFL

PointnClick on November 12, 2013 at 10:27 PM

going2mars on November 12, 2013 at 10:21 PM

Except… all that Nixon did was coverup for his team when they wiretapped the opposition ahead of an election at a meeting at the Watergate Hotel…

…not put one sixth of the economy into a nose dive… and deprive millions of Americans of their health care… and then LIE about it… and then LIE about lying despite multiple videos of him lying on various occasions over a long course of time.

Also, unlike Nixon who resigned over his disgrace… Obama will NEVER have the class to resign over his blatant,destructive, destructive, incompetence.

thatsafactjack on November 12, 2013 at 10:27 PM

repeal the bill and then let obama know if he doesn’t resign we will impeach his a$$. does anyone honestly think the vindictive punk will do this country any good over the next 3 years?

gracie on November 12, 2013 at 10:28 PM

…it is boring as phuck

nonpartisan on November 12, 2013 at 9:55 PM

Millions of people losing their medical plans is “boring”?

Hard leftists are some sick freaks.

forest on November 12, 2013 at 10:28 PM

Obamacare has broken containment.

An uncontrolled chain reaction is inevitable.

Meltdown.

MichaelGabriel on November 12, 2013 at 10:29 PM

NonPee, the best part about this is seeing just how much you and your ilk flee from the topic, how you just don’t show up anymore with even the semblance of a defense.

This entire scheme is unraveling before our eyes in real time and we get front row seats, and it is going to get catastrophically worse before it gets better. You should at least have the good graces to admit you got suckered.

Bishop on November 12, 2013 at 10:31 PM

Memorize these lines from “Titanic” and quote them to liberals as needed:

“But this ship can’t sink!”

“She’s made of iron, sir! I assure you, she can… and she will. It is a mathematical certainty.”

trapeze on November 12, 2013 at 10:32 PM

Matthew8787- you mean this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpDDmm566nY&feature=youtube_gdata_player.

Yea,, some payback is due fer sure.

wolly4321 on November 12, 2013 at 10:33 PM

NonPee, the best part about this is seeing just how much you and your ilk flee from the topic, how you just don’t show up anymore with even the semblance of a defense.

This entire scheme is unraveling before our eyes in real time and we get front row seats, and it is going to get catastrophically worse before it gets better. You should at least have the good graces to admit you got suckered.

Bishop on November 12, 2013 at 10:31 PM

So true, but good luck with that!

22044 on November 12, 2013 at 10:34 PM

Ms, Ham, etal NSA, CIA, White Houes staff trolling herein,

I’m an old dog at the ambush trail operation from Vietnam time out in Laos and just North and West of the Ka Shan Marine camp.

While there met a guy who was a medic, we still talk, I’m a farmer/rancher/buss. guy in Texas. He joined the D.E.A. and is still active trying to bust Mexican Drug Cartels in Calif.

We talked tonight on the best way to get to the bottom of the who, what, when, how of this “fraud”, this criminal act aka ObamaCare.

We both agree that “snitches” aka “rats” from the inside is always the bes way to take down crminal operations

He is going to contact some high ranking former D.E.A. types, have them contact Republican Senators and House members on this idea.

They will also try to find some org. or people to fund the cost of paying for the information that will prove up in court the crimes and the get convections.

It is time to take action.

I was a crime.

Some one should do the time.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on November 12, 2013 at 10:37 PM

thatsafactjack on November 12, 2013 at 10:27 PM

i said ‘the smell”…not ‘its just like’
go easy on me ms J…..shcoouch..

going2mars on November 12, 2013 at 10:37 PM

It’s not just their plans the Americans want to keep, it’s their doctors and hospitals, too. Now that the plans have been cancelled and a new set of health care providers for the new plans have been lined up, there’s less than a 10% chance a reinstated insurance plan would even have the same set of docs and hospitals.

Most clusterfvcks can be fixed or dealt with in some way. This one is the Mother of all Clusterfvcks, which may be exactly what Team Dog-Eater designed from the beginning, to get us to single payer and basically tell the American people to fvck off.

It won’t work, because he’s going to lose support from too many D senators real quick, as they are in survival mode. Wait for January or February when they insist on a bill that delays the entire Obamacare Act until, well, Hell freezes over.

TXUS on November 12, 2013 at 10:37 PM

Good God, has Obama ever f###ed things up.

VorDaj on November 12, 2013 at 10:38 PM

will we get a john dean??..who??

smells like Nixon 1972-1973ish..

going2mars on November 12, 2013 at 10:21 PM

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Well, I’m on record on here saying that the NSA document deluge did NOT just come from Snowden.

The April FISA court document was too tightly controlled. Publishing a printed hardcopy established that document came from one of 30 – 40 people on the face of the globe authorized to even have a copy.

(anyone wanting the links, etc – just google my posts from last Thursday – Sunday)

So … somebody highly placed had a “crisis of conscience” and found a sympathetic soul/sucker willing to act as the front man by interfacing with the media on a very selective basis.

Some days, I’d say Petraeus – because he was gone by the time the April FISA court document was created but would have had connections to get anything out of the intelligence guys.

Other days, I’d say Leon Panetta – who is pretty widely respected for bring the CIA through the “Obama Inquisition” without anyone being tried for waterboarding, etc.

And then every OTHER Sunday, I say the answer is obvious …

… it’s Bob Woodward – who knows EVERYTHING going on in D.C. and paying back the Obama administration for their peurile attempt to intimidate him.

(Which would tie together nicely with the IRS story coming out BEFORE the NSA leaks)

It’s 5:4 and pick’em … who do YOU like for the Deep Throat of our era?

PolAgnostic on November 12, 2013 at 10:38 PM

Repeal or full implementation, no waivers, no delays, no subsidies.

Midas on November 12, 2013 at 10:40 PM

TXUS on November 12, 2013 at 10:37 PM

Obama and his ObamaCare, a clusterfark warped in a SNAFU inside a train wreck.

VorDaj on November 12, 2013 at 10:40 PM

John Roberts sure is laying low these days.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on November 12, 2013 at 10:42 PM

um, I agree Obama screwed up on this

not making excuses for him…he should’ve never made that promise

and I supported romney during the 2012 election for those accusing me of being a lib

nonpartisan on November 12, 2013 at 10:42 PM

but the strawberries that’s… that’s where I had them. They laughed at me and made jokes but I proved beyond the shadow of a doubt and with… geometric logic… that Healthcare.gov would work.

faraway on November 12, 2013 at 10:44 PM

OT but related because…Liberals are so smart and stuff…

Another liberal policy fail…

32% of school expulsions in high school and middle schools in Colorado are for Pot…

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_24501596/pot-problems-colorado-schools-increase-legalization

workingclass artist on November 12, 2013 at 10:45 PM

I supported romney during the 2012 election for those accusing me of being a lib

nonpartisan on November 12, 2013 at 10:42 PM

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA…Stop yer killin me….HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

BeachBum on November 12, 2013 at 10:45 PM

how many goddamn posts do we need on this topic…it is
I’m boring as phuck
nonpartisan on November 12, 2013 at 9:55 PM

Fixed to match reality.

Lately the only excessive and boring posts here at Hot Air are the “Christie for the win!” threads.

LegendHasIt on November 12, 2013 at 10:47 PM

PolAgnostic on November 12, 2013 at 10:38 PM

i was going to pick Panetta…for the Dean roll..

so maybe Petraeus or Woodward for Deep Throat

he11 Brother Bill wacked him in the head today so who knows..

going2mars on November 12, 2013 at 10:48 PM

I ‘supported’ Hillary too.

faraway on November 12, 2013 at 10:49 PM

how many goddamn posts do we need on this topic…it is boring as phuck

nonpartisan on November 12, 2013 at 9:55 PM

“Oh, the tears of unfathomable sadness! Mm-yummy.”

Midas on November 12, 2013 at 10:49 PM

It’s not just their plans the Americans want to keep, it’s their doctors and hospitals, too. Now that the plans have been cancelled and a new set of health care providers for the new plans have been lined up, there’s less than a 10% chance a reinstated insurance plan would even have the same set of docs and hospitals.

Most clusterfvcks can be fixed or dealt with in some way. This one is the Mother of all Clusterfvcks, which may be exactly what Team Dog-Eater designed from the beginning, to get us to single payer and basically tell the American people to fvck off.

It won’t work, because he’s going to lose support from too many D senators real quick, as they are in survival mode. Wait for January or February when they insist on a bill that delays the entire Obamacare Act until, well, Hell freezes over.

TXUS on November 12, 2013 at 10:37 PM

This is hubris.

Obama thought he could outpolicy all of his predecessors cause he’s a special kind of stupid…the kind he shares with other petty tyrants and it is delusional.

workingclass artist on November 12, 2013 at 10:50 PM

Repeal or full implementation, no waivers, no delays, no subsidies.

Midas on November 12, 2013 at 10:40 PM

The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. – Abraham Lincoln

VorDaj on November 12, 2013 at 10:51 PM

ExpressoBold on November 12, 2013 at 10:26 PM

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In no particular order:

“Can’t go back??? Man smokes crack!”

“Can’t keep my plan? Oh yes, I can!”

“Obamacare should be dead as Osama.”

“Democrats’s Obamacare takes YOUR money for them to SHARE.”

Ben Franklin’s capabilities at political satire would come in VERY handy right now.

PolAgnostic on November 12, 2013 at 10:51 PM

not making excuses for him…he should’ve never made that promise

I’ll give you an excuse. He wouldn’t be pResident today had he not LIED..

You get it yet haaaaavard boy?

wolly4321 on November 12, 2013 at 10:52 PM

…it is boring as phuck

nonpartisan on November 12, 2013 at 9:55 PM

Millions of people losing their medical plans is “boring”?

Hard leftists are some sick freaks.

forest on November 12, 2013 at 10:28 PM

Defrauding hundreds, as Bernie Madoff did, is a crime. Defrauding ten of millions, as Obama has done, is a statistic.

VorDaj on November 12, 2013 at 10:54 PM

“Oh, the tears of unfathomable a gay unicorn’s sadness! Mm-yummy.”

Midas on November 12, 2013 at 10:49 PM

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In “honor” of our other MIA trolls.

PolAgnostic on November 12, 2013 at 10:54 PM

John Roberts sure is laying low these days.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on November 12, 2013 at 10:42 PM

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He’s using the “Breaking Bad” relocation guy.

PolAgnostic on November 12, 2013 at 10:56 PM

Obama is a vain and selfish man, bringing waste and devastation to that which he can’t understand, but wants to control anyway.

VorDaj on November 12, 2013 at 10:57 PM

how many goddamn posts do we need on this topic…it is boring as phuck

nonpartisan on November 12, 2013 at 9:55 PM

Did harvard teach you to spit or swallow?

arnold ziffel on November 12, 2013 at 10:59 PM

um, I agree Obama screwed up on this

not making excuses for him…he should’ve never made that promise

nonpartisan on November 12, 2013 at 10:42 PM

Should’ve never = Stone cold lied.

Bishop on November 12, 2013 at 11:03 PM

Punch bowel meet suspended solid. Dipping it out won’t fix it.

Mason on November 12, 2013 at 11:04 PM

Yikes! I forgot to say that Mr. Obama is a lying sack. Sorry.

Mason on November 12, 2013 at 11:05 PM

Resist We Much on November 12, 2013 at 10:22 PM

Wow. You searched him out and destroyed him. I would just have told him to go back to his job at the Daily Kos.

LOL

gerrym51 on November 12, 2013 at 11:06 PM

The child speaks.

Bmore on November 12, 2013 at 11:08 PM

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