CNN source: If White House doesn’t have solution to canceled plans by Friday, Dems may vote for GOP’s “Keep Your Plan Act”

posted at 8:01 pm on November 12, 2013 by Allahpundit

Amazing stuff via Mediaite. The “Keep Your Plan Act” is Fred Upton’s bill, which Jay Carney spent a few minutes attacking at today’s press briefing because it would make canceled plans available to all consumers, not just the ones who’d been enrolled in those plans before. That would be a disaster for the insurance industry. Healthy people would flee the new, more expensive plans for the resurrected cheaper ones, leaving no one in the new risk pool except sick people with very expensive treatments. That means either heavy losses for insurers, steep premium hikes next year to make up the difference, or some sort of federal bailout (congrats, red-state Democrats!) — or maybe a little of all three. You’ll have the same problem, though, albeit to a lesser extent, even if Upton’s bill is amended so that it applies only to people who’d been enrolled in a particular plan before it was cancelled. You can’t run a two-tiered healthy/sick insurance system. If the risk pools aren’t merged, replete with higher rates for the former, you can’t pay for the latter.

I understand why the GOP would back Upton’s bill. It’s a slam dunk politically, grinding Obama’s face in the consequences of his lie. This is the Democrats’ mess; Reid and the Senate can/will kill the bill if they like. I can’t understand why House Democrats, aware of the adverse selection problem that’s lurking here — and the political humiliation for the White House — would sign on, unless they’ve already reached a point of such pure terror over the “if you like your plan” backlash that they’re willing to kneecap ObamaCare six weeks out of the gate. Did they … not understand that millions of people were going to face cancellations and higher premiums under the law’s redistributive scheme? Of course they did. Steny Hoyer, number two in the Democratic caucus admitted it on October 29th. Fast forward two weeks and here’s where Hoyer is now:

“I don’t know what I’m gonna do on the Upton bill,” the Maryland Democrat said at a Tuesday briefing with reporters when discussing legislation sponsored by Energy and Commerce Chairman Fred Upton, R-Mich.

Hoyer noted that he was “inclined not to be for the Upton bill at this time,” but he emphasized that he was “not closed to the option,” and would “reserve judgment” until he had seen the legislative text, which is reportedly undergoing some tweaks.

“I agree that people who purchased their policies prior to [the law's enactment date] ought to be able to keep their policies,” he said.

If he agrees that they should be able to keep their policies, why did he vote for ObamaCare? The whole point of the law is that healthy middle-class people shouldn’t be allowed to keep policies that have relatively low premiums. We need to gouge those suckers with higher premiums for new “comprehensive” plans so that we can pay for the preexisting conditions of the sick. It’s like voting for immigration reform and then feigning surprise in five years when the newly “secure” border hasn’t halted illegal immigration. It’s not supposed to do that. That’s something you tell the hoi polloi in order to give Congress enough cover to vote for it.

The vote on Upton’s bill is set for Friday, which, per CNN’s source on the Hill, means the White House has 48 hours or so to come up with its own proposal for letting people keep their plans — adverse selection problem or not — before Democrats head for the lifeboats. Greg Sargent claims that the Democratic leadership is now warning the rank and file that rich liberal donors won’t look kindly at them if they abandon The One on his big “accomplishment.” I’ll leave you with this, just to show that the fear isn’t limited to Dems in red states. After a million cancellations, even DiFi’s nervous:


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Welcome to Obama’s America Iniquitous Gutter Republic™ where laws are entirely capricious.

Murphy9 on November 12, 2013 at 8:02 PM

“We didn’t have enough testing… We had two years and almost no testing.”
-Kathleen Sebelius, October 18

anotherJoe on November 12, 2013 at 8:03 PM

Seems like now’s the time to kill obamacare, not put it on life support. The left can point and say “see, if they had just left it alone it would have worked.” Now the Rs have some ownership. Brilliant strategy.

WitchDoctor on November 12, 2013 at 8:05 PM

SOME Democrats may vote for it, but not enough to matter.

Get real.

They’re all in for Jugeared Jesus for better or worse.

hillbillyjim on November 12, 2013 at 8:05 PM

“We are on track to flip the switch on Oct. 1 and say to people, ‘Come on and sign up.’” – Kathleen Sebelius, July 28th

“Flip the switch?”

That’s the term used when an electric chair is turned on… in an execution. So, is that a Freudian slip? Flip the switch, on what, on healthcare, or America?

anotherJoe on November 12, 2013 at 8:06 PM

Pure schadenfreude.

Resist We Much on November 12, 2013 at 8:06 PM

Will it effect plans that ADDED the additional bs that I don’t need or want? I would love to have my plan the way it was BEFORE Obamacare messed with it.

ooonaughtykitty on November 12, 2013 at 8:06 PM

Good God Almighty, I am SO enjoying this gnashing of teeth by the liberal marxists. Winning!

HiJack on November 12, 2013 at 8:07 PM

Incumbent Dem Sen. Kay Hagan’s 17-Point Lead Collapses After Obamacare Rollout Disaster…

Hagan soooo wants to vote for Landrieu’s bill.

How will Harry Reid be able to keep this vote from happening in the Senate without causing outright revolt?

Resist We Much on November 12, 2013 at 8:08 PM

This fiasco gets more ridiculous by the week. I say let it burn. Let these socialist morons take the heat.

I feel terrible for folks losing their plans. Many more than 4 million will lose their plans if you count dependents. I don’t recognize this country any more. Down the drain.

Philly on November 12, 2013 at 8:08 PM

You might get a slew of Dem. Reps to vote for it, but it’ll never make it in the Senate.

Maybe Gov. Christie can sit on a few of them and squeeze out a vote.

Yes, darling, that is sarcasm.

hillbillyjim on November 12, 2013 at 8:09 PM

“Hoyer noted that he was “inclined not to be for the Upton bill at this time,” but he emphasized that he was “not closed to the option,” and would “reserve judgment” until he had seen the legislative text,[..]”
Oh, so now you are actually reading the bills before they are passed. What the hell for?

kahall on November 12, 2013 at 8:09 PM

How are the Donks going to explain a “no” vote for guaranteeing that people get to keep their health insurance as promised by Obama and his Donk minions?

HiJack on November 12, 2013 at 8:10 PM

LOL… Few weeks ago Obama and his socialists in Congress shut down the government because they did not agree with the “Crazy” Republicans to delay Obamacare… Now they are crapping in their pants and jumping the Obamacare sinking ship and wanting to change their own stupid law and wanting to vote on the Republican plan to “keep your healthcare”… Few weeks from now, when more of this disaster will hit many more millions of people they will be begging the “Crazy” Republicans to allow a vote to delay the Obamacare disaster…

mnjg on November 12, 2013 at 8:10 PM

C’mon Dems; if you gotta eat sh!t, don’t nibble.

Jeff Weimer on November 12, 2013 at 8:11 PM

Nicely written, Allahpundit.

jaime on November 12, 2013 at 8:11 PM

Oh, so now you are actually reading the bills before they are passed. What the hell for?

kahall on November 12, 2013 at 8:09 PM

Perfect.

HiJack on November 12, 2013 at 8:12 PM

They actually think they can pass a law to force insurers to re-instate plans?

Or is the government going to guarantee the old plans?

How do they think they can implement this if they pass this?

This makes no sense.

kim roy on November 12, 2013 at 8:12 PM

Someone float a repeal bill and end this sucker.

gophergirl on November 12, 2013 at 8:13 PM

Disloyal marine rodents.

Wethal on November 12, 2013 at 8:13 PM

There should have been a warning that video had Richard “Dick” Durbin (D-Communist Chicago) on it. My heart can’t take that sort of shock.

MTF on November 12, 2013 at 8:15 PM

Seriously, though, the Republicans should just stay the hell out of the way! Why, oh why are they trying to make this more palatable? What the hell is wrong with the GOP? Do they not understand politics?

HiJack on November 12, 2013 at 8:16 PM

So…what’s the Republican plan?! Oh…

GOPRanknFile on November 12, 2013 at 8:16 PM

Did someone lock up all the trolls?

CWchangedhisNicagain on November 12, 2013 at 8:16 PM

Seriously, if Feinstein is OK with it no money is going to walk away from any Dem that votes for this, that was all last minute threats and bluster.

Obama is toast and his crowning achievement is going down in flames because of the 2014 elections.

Johnnyreb on November 12, 2013 at 8:17 PM

Good God Almighty, I am SO enjoying this gnashing of teeth by the liberal marxists. Winning!

HiJack on November 12, 2013 at 8:07 PM

Me too. If the repubs were smart, they would use the very same tactics that the leftists use. While they are scrambling to patch the holes in this great leftist idea, attack on another front. Anywhere..just attack. Environmental green energy boondoggles..welfare fraud..the IRS sending 4 billion tax dollars to identity thieves..anything. Divide their energies. Pit one against the other.

Mimzey on November 12, 2013 at 8:17 PM

This makes no sense.

kim roy on November 12, 2013 at 8:12 PM

Neither did Obamacare. But, here we are.

BacaDog on November 12, 2013 at 8:17 PM

Greg Sargent claims that the Democratic leadership is now warning the rank and file that rich liberal donors won’t look kindly at them if they abandon The One on his big “accomplishment.” I’ll leave you with this, just to show that the fear isn’t limited to Dems in red states.

May be those rich limousine liberals super hypocrites should pay tens of billions of dollars to the many millions who are already hurt by Obamacare and the many more millions to come… Of course it their own money so they cannot just give it away for the “good” of people… It has to be other people money… always generous with other people money…

mnjg on November 12, 2013 at 8:18 PM

Seems like now’s the time to kill obamacare, not put it on life support. The left can point and say “see, if they had just left it alone it would have worked.” Now the Rs have some ownership. Brilliant strategy.

WitchDoctor on November 12, 2013 at 8:05 PM

Probably in January, maybe early February, it will be killed, but it won’t be officially repealed or anything. The Dems in the Senate, with Reid solidly on board, will come up with legislation that delays all the bills provisions by setting a new effective date, beginning in 2017, which will effectively kill Obamacare.

They will not want to face re-election in 2014 or 2016 with the entire thing up in flames. They are very much in the position of the Japanese when denying the ultimatum in WWII, and then watching as Hiroshima and Nagasaki turned to glass. They know that this is their nuclear moment.

TXUS on November 12, 2013 at 8:18 PM

Clusterfluke.

CWchangedhisNicagain on November 12, 2013 at 8:19 PM

Someone float a repeal bill and end this sucker.

gophergirl on November 12, 2013 at 8:13 PM

+Eleventy

Corporal Tunnel on November 12, 2013 at 8:19 PM

Few weeks from now, when more of this disaster will hit many more millions of people they will be begging the “Crazy” Republicans to allow a vote to delay REPEAL the Obamacare disaster…

mnjg on November 12, 2013 at 8:10 PM


FIFY

Kay Hagan’s polling support collapse and DiFi’s “Wimmins First in the Landrieu Lifeboat” are clear indicators the Dimmicrats in Congress know they are about to see a political tidal wave that would make the 2010 midterms look a Democratic vistory by comparison.
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.
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Oh, and despite AP’s “You can’t go back to your policy if you liked it” meme …

… the Congressional Democrats would authorize waterboarding of any health insurance executives who tried to stand in the way by unanimous voice vote.

PolAgnostic on November 12, 2013 at 8:20 PM

Don’t help. Vote-present.

Little Boomer on November 12, 2013 at 8:21 PM

Did someone lock up all the trolls?

CWchangedhisNicagain on November 12, 2013 at 8:16 PM


They have ALL been taken into custody by the Capitol Police.

The Sargeant-at-Arms has authorized the use of deadly force if any of them are caught supporting Obamacare on the internet.

;->

PolAgnostic on November 12, 2013 at 8:23 PM

Don’t help. Vote-present.

Little Boomer on November 12, 2013 at 8:21 PM

^^^^
This

workingclass artist on November 12, 2013 at 8:24 PM

So Republicans are no longer I’m the repeal business, but the tinker with government health care business. Not that they were ever in the repeal business to begin with.

Dongemaharu on November 12, 2013 at 8:25 PM

Knowing Reid, Upton’s bill may get tabled. Then he’ll bring up Landrieu’s bill and force the R’s to vote no. That’s the whole reason the Dems (Landrieu) have their own bill. Reid has all kind of tricks, so if it isn’t that, it will be something else.

Stupid GOP should have stayed out of it. They fall into the Dems traps so easily.

That’s my opinion anyway.

bluefox on November 12, 2013 at 8:25 PM

So anti-American marxists will still not negotiate with Republicans on a bill if it helps the American people,
but they’ll initiate the same bill , by themselves, to save Hussein’s and Killery’s and their own goodies that come with their jobs ?

burrata on November 12, 2013 at 8:25 PM

Please leave it alone. Didn’t Cruz try to repeal obamacare, then delay it for a year, etc… and the dems said hell no.

Let them live with it

Gotcha on November 12, 2013 at 8:25 PM

Stupid GOP should have stayed out of it. They fall into the Dems traps so easily.

That’s my opinion anyway.

bluefox on November 12, 2013 at 8:25 PM

There are many of us here who happen to share your opinion.

HiJack on November 12, 2013 at 8:26 PM

Healthy people would flee the new, more expensive plans for the resurrected cheaper ones, leaving no one in the new risk pool except sick people with very expensive treatments. That means either heavy losses for insurers, steep premium hikes next year to make up the difference, or some sort of federal bailout (congrats, red-state Democrats!) — or maybe a little of all three.

So when it does fail – and it will – Upton and the Repubs are giving the Dems a perfect scapegoat.

Stay the hell out and Let. It. Burn.

Hill60 on November 12, 2013 at 8:26 PM

They actually think they can pass a law to force insurers to re-instate plans?

Or is the government going to guarantee the old plans?

How do they think they can implement this if they pass this?
This makes no sense.

kim roy on November 12, 2013 at 8:12 PM

Really good question Kim. I haven’t read any specifics, but it seems to me this will require significant force upon insurers, I cannot think of a precedent that suggests congress has that kind of power (recent supreme court rulings aside, ahem. And as to timing, I think some of them may want to replace the batteries in the calendar, it seems to have stopped. It’s NOVEMBER for heavens sake, mid month on Friday. This would turn a total cluster into an even bigger cluster, and as pointed out earlier, gives the rats some cover.
I hate it that good people that have done nothing wrong will get screwed big time by this, but delaying the pain will only make it worse. Let it burn.

JusDreamin on November 12, 2013 at 8:26 PM

How will Harry Reid be able to keep this vote from happening in the Senate without causing outright revolt?

Resist We Much on November 12, 2013 at 8:08 PM

.
(I can’t resist repeating my Happy Thought from the other thread.)

I REALLY hope he doesn’t!

It would be nice to have a NEW Senate Majority Leader in time for Christmas …

… who will by that time be supporting the REPEAL of Obamacare with a veto proof majority

PolAgnostic on November 12, 2013 at 8:27 PM

It’s cover your ass time in the Democratic Party. Too bad the general public has an IQ of about -10, and probably won’t remember any of this come November 2014.

GarandFan on November 12, 2013 at 8:27 PM

C’mon Dems; if you gotta eat sh!t, don’t nibble.

Jeff Weimer on November 12, 2013 at 8:11 PM

get it while it is steaming hot and be sure and smile while chewing …..

conservative tarheel on November 12, 2013 at 8:27 PM

Good times indeed.

kcewa on November 12, 2013 at 8:29 PM

Someone float a repeal bill and end this sucker.

gophergirl on November 12, 2013 at 8:13 PM

That is the only solution. The Dems don’t have the nerve to do that and the R’s are too stupid. They love defeat and live to help the Dems.

Geesh! Normally we have to work to defeat the Dems, now we have to work to defeat the R’s too.

bluefox on November 12, 2013 at 8:30 PM

Now the rinos are coming out to say they can manage this better.
It’s like saying there will be less sh!t tonight in the sh!t ice cream. Guess what, it’s still sh!t ice cream. Throw it out already.

LeftCoastRight on November 12, 2013 at 8:31 PM

OK, a gang of crooks are robbing Americans banks.

The F.B.I. and or all the local cops in each state would infiltrate the crooks and pay “snitches” to rat out the deal, bring court room evidence for pay and them charge the boss crooks with the crimes.

We need to get the RNC or some other group like Jim Demints group to front the money for the snitches (plus new ID’s and places to live) and drag this gang of Democrat Party crooks into court and find the guilty and then after 50 or so of the Democrats in the Senate, some of the Democrat House leaders have been found guilty.

Go RICO on the dam crook’ed Democrat Party.

Find some DEA guys who know how the deal is done and hire them, say some retired ones who know a bit.

push, push, push, play offence….

APACHEWHOKNOWS on November 12, 2013 at 8:32 PM

Seriously, though, the Republicans should just stay the hell out of the way! Why, oh why are they trying to make this more palatable? What the hell is wrong with the GOP? Do they not understand politics?

HiJack on November 12, 2013 at 8:16 PM

They aren’t trying to make it more palatable. Upton’s bill has two effects: 1) if it actually works to get people back their plans, it effectively makes Ocare completely unworkable, thus making repeal more likely at some point. He is not trying to “salvage” Obamacare, but put the fatal nail in the coffin. 2) It makes the political point that the GOP finds Obama’s lying reprehensible, and stands with those millions of people to whom he lied. That sounds like pretty good politics to me.

Athanasius on November 12, 2013 at 8:34 PM

Did they … not understand that millions of people were going to face cancellations and higher premiums under the law’s redistributive scheme? Of course they did.

They understood it. But they did not believe it.

One of the hallmarks of progressive dogmas is that they understand “intellectually” what will happen when their Grand Plans take effect, but they simply refuse to believe that the real world works like that. This is why they are eternally surprised when their plans fail, and are eternally angry about it.

It is also why they always “double down” on their disasters;

“We can’t be losing! We’ve been sabotaged! Those f**king reactionaries did it! We’ll show them! We’ll put even more money into it! we’ll demand that people work harder, and believe harder!

“If that doesn’t work, we’ll just kill some people to encourage the others!

Eventually, of course, the massacres begin. In the case of O-Care, since it’s essentially eugenics writ large, we’re talking Eugenics War/Khan Noonian Singh/ Kodos Governor of Tarsus IV-level stuff.

When it still doesn’t work, the “enlightened ones” usually turn on each other.

If the Republicans had one working brain cell between them, they’d figure out a way to jump the progressives past the middle stage to the mutual-backstabbing stage.

Of course, they don’t, which is one of the major problems in trying to mitigate the damage this train wreck will do to this country.

clear ether

eon

eon on November 12, 2013 at 8:34 PM

i have never really thought of
‘death by a thousand cuts’
as a spectator sport…
but its amazing to watch…..

going2mars on November 12, 2013 at 8:37 PM

You might get a slew of Dem. Reps to vote for it, but it’ll never make it in the Senate.

Maybe Gov. Christie can sit on a few of them and squeeze out a vote.

Yes, darling, that is sarcasm.

hillbillyjim on November 12, 2013 at 8:09 PM

The only way it doesn’t pass in the Senate is if Reid doesn’t allow it to ever come up for a vote. No way in hell do the Dems remain united in killing that bill less than a year from the midterms.

Doughboy on November 12, 2013 at 8:37 PM

These politicians are all so shocked that this is happening…….shock, I tell you!

d1carter on November 12, 2013 at 8:37 PM

Do we have a link to the Dems & R’s bill? I don’t see how they can do anything since this is Law. There are so many components that any bill to amend the current Law of 2700 pages plus 20,000 rules and regulations would take one he** of a bill!!

Besides, what are they going to do about Sebelius? She has all of the power under the Obamacare law and has been doing that.

bluefox on November 12, 2013 at 8:37 PM

Addendum:

The website needs a warning label like cigarettes…

ObamaCare prices are higher. ObamaCare deductibles are higher. ObamaCare sux.

faraway on November 12, 2013 at 8:39 PM

They aren’t trying to make it more palatable. Upton’s bill has two effects: 1) if it actually works to get people back their plans, it effectively makes Ocare completely unworkable, thus making repeal more likely at some point. He is not trying to “salvage” Obamacare, but put the fatal nail in the coffin. 2) It makes the political point that the GOP finds Obama’s lying reprehensible, and stands with those millions of people to whom he lied. That sounds like pretty good politics to me.

Athanasius on November 12, 2013 at 8:34 PM

Excellent post… Some on our side are not satisfied with anything and they just want to call everyone who does not 100% follow “conservative posters” on the internet as a RINO and a traitor… It is getting beyond ridiculous…

mnjg on November 12, 2013 at 8:44 PM

So when can Ted Cruz and Mike Lee expect their apologies from the GOP Establishment/media/Democrats?

I bet Red State Dems are now wishing they had voted for the defund/delay of Obamacare.

Bwa ha ha ha…

TheRightMan on November 12, 2013 at 8:45 PM

I don’t watch PBS but tonight I stopped to see what was being discussed on ObamaCare. The speaker said that the main problem that the administration had was a “messaging” problem. Yes, only 2-3 million Americans were effected and the White House needs to change their “messaging”…..
Your tax dollars at work….

d1carter on November 12, 2013 at 8:48 PM

A commenter linked to this on Twitchy today. It’s dated 9/25 & lists which R’s were working against the Cruz filibuster.

Ten Republicans Working to Fund Obamacare
http://www.freedomworks.org/blog/rtakala/ten-republicans-working-to-fund-obamacare

Just some background info I wasn’t aware of. Of course we know what the vote was against defunding O’crap now.

bluefox on November 12, 2013 at 8:49 PM

Someone float a repeal bill and end this sucker.

gophergirl on November 12, 2013 at 8:13 PM

Call it the ‘Keep Your Capitalism’ bill!

bitsy on November 12, 2013 at 8:51 PM

Will it effect plans that ADDED the additional bs that I don’t need or want? I would love to have my plan the way it was BEFORE Obamacare messed with it.

ooonaughtykitty on November 12, 2013 at 8:06 PM

Me Too!

I liked my health plan a whole lot better before the premiums almost tripled after the Obamacare bill passed.

wren on November 12, 2013 at 8:51 PM

t’s cover your ass time in the Democratic Party. Too bad the general public has an IQ of about -10, and probably won’t remember any of this come November 2014.

GarandFan on November 12, 2013 at 8:27 PM

They won’t have to remember anything. If nothing is done to repeal the law it will still be in full meltdown a year from now.

HiJack on November 12, 2013 at 8:54 PM

So, Obama, if you like your screwed up ACA, you can keep your screwed up ACA.

If it needs to be ‘fixed’ it is substandard and has got to go now, doesn’t it?

ajacksonian on November 12, 2013 at 8:54 PM

Some on our side are not satisfied with anything and they just want to call everyone who does not 100% follow “conservative posters” on the internet as a RINO and a traitor… It is getting beyond ridiculous…

mnjg on November 12, 2013 at 8:44 PM

The facts are that when Republicans promote and vote with Democrats and side with this Administration, then yes they are RINOS.

It has nothing to do with whether they follow 100% Conservative Principles. He**, they don’t even follow 50%.

bluefox on November 12, 2013 at 8:56 PM

Feinstein: “I have decided to cosponsor Senator Mary Landrieu’s (D-La.) legislation: Keeping the Affordable Care Act Promise Act.”

and after I vote for it, I’ll go all Lady Godiva with an even bigger gavel , on the streets of DC …..eat you heart out ugly Nanz ;-)

burrata on November 12, 2013 at 8:58 PM

I bet Red State Dems are now wishing they had voted for the defund/delay of Obamacare.

Bwa ha ha ha…

TheRightMan on November 12, 2013 at 8:45 PM

I hope we can make the R’s also wish that. Problem was, Obama didn’t go for that and the Dems & R’s all followed along. Well, 27 of the R’s anyway with their vote.

bluefox on November 12, 2013 at 8:59 PM

Those crazy Wacko Birds….

d1carter on November 12, 2013 at 9:01 PM

I’m starting to think this Obamacare fiasco is much more than a train wreck.

It’s starting to look like a full scale nuclear meltdown that neither the Democrats, the Republicans, or the White House will be able to stop.

Neither side is going to surrender completely and I don’t see a compromise solution being able to prevent a major disaster.

Buckle up.

MichaelGabriel on November 12, 2013 at 9:04 PM

Heh, it’s almost like Ted Cruz can see the future.
ObamaCare is the greatest thing to happen
to the RepublicTea Party.
The Democrats will have to impeach and
convict Obama for their little problem
to go away.

redguy on November 12, 2013 at 9:05 PM

When the website finally works the press will treat it as equivalent to the invention of fire.

aquaviva on November 12, 2013 at 9:06 PM

Is Dana Bash the one married to Jay Carney?

vityas on November 12, 2013 at 9:07 PM

Wonder if I need to cancel my self insurance plan… so I can be grandfathered in too

roflmmfao

donabernathy on November 12, 2013 at 9:08 PM

GatewayPundit links to a Drudge report that over one million policies have been cancelled in California alone. The average number of people on individual policies must be somewhere in the range of 1.5 to 2 people. Using the midpoint of 1.75 would put cancellations at about 4.6% of Californians.

Dusty on November 12, 2013 at 9:08 PM

Why is Dick Durbin worried about bi-partisanship now?

BKeyser on November 12, 2013 at 9:08 PM

Tell the D’s they have to pass it in the Senate, first.

Otherwise don’t help them one little bit.

ajacksonian on November 12, 2013 at 9:09 PM

You know who’s missing in all this mess? James “Mumblemouth” Clyburn. Where’s that liar hiding?

ExpressoBold on November 12, 2013 at 9:10 PM

make canceled plans available to all consumers, not just the ones who’d been enrolled in those plans before

bwahahahahahahahahaha

WTF …. where ya think ya live…. America!!!!

roflmmfao

donabernathy on November 12, 2013 at 9:13 PM

It occurs to me that if the Obamacare fiasco destroys the health insurance industry, it may be a good thing in the long run. Industries will understand the need better to not submit to socialism because of the risks that you could go under by government whim. Not only that, new health insurance firms could be quickly created from the pool of current health insurance employees. Admittedly, the people who get sick during this transition will be screwed, but the Democratic Party decided to screw over many Americans when it created Obamacare.

thuja on November 12, 2013 at 9:16 PM

Is Dana Bash the one married to Jay Carney?

vityas on November 12, 2013 at 9:07 PM

Carney is married to Claire Shipman and Bash is married to John King.

Resist We Much on November 12, 2013 at 9:16 PM

Hoyer noted that he was “inclined not to be for the Upton bill at this time,” but he emphasized that he was “not closed to the option,” and would “reserve judgment” until he had seen the legislative text, which is reportedly undergoing some tweaks.

now…..all…o…a….. sudden….. DEMOCRATS…… wanna read legislation…. before they vote

Bwahahahahahahahahahahjahahaha

ya can’t make this chit up!

roflmmfao

donabernathy on November 12, 2013 at 9:16 PM

This horse-faced woman is nothing but a CNN hack.

HiJack on November 12, 2013 at 9:17 PM

I bet Red State Dems are now wishing they had voted for the defund/delay of Obamacare.

Bwa ha ha ha…

[TheRightMan on November 12, 2013 at 8:45 PM]

A PPP poll shows Dem Senator Kay Hagan (NC) is now in a dead heat. Unfavorability has spiked to 49%.

Dusty on November 12, 2013 at 9:17 PM

If you like my B.S., you can swallow my B.S.

(Geez, it worked for 5 years, what happened!?!?)

profitsbeard on November 12, 2013 at 9:18 PM

redguy on November 12, 2013 at 9:05 PM

Well, the Good Book says, we’ll reap what we sow:-)

bluefox on November 12, 2013 at 9:20 PM

Could Kate somehow be brought in to help whip votes for Uncle Fred’s bill?

I.M. Shatner on November 12, 2013 at 9:28 PM

t’s cover your ass time in the Democratic Party. Too bad the general public has an IQ of about -10, and probably won’t remember any of this come November 2014.

GarandFan on November 12, 2013 at 8:27 PM

They won’t have to remember anything. If nothing is done to repeal the law it will still be in full meltdown a year from now.

HiJack on November 12, 2013 at 8:54 PM

Next Fall we will be in the middle of a similar meltdown, and it will be when the delayed Employer Mandate hits, and it will affect ten times as many Americans as this year’s debacle.

slickwillie2001 on November 12, 2013 at 9:30 PM

I’m surprised at the comments.

The 5% myth is just that – a myth. There are tens of millions of your fellow Americans – families with kids in college, entrepreneurs starting the next potential Twitter in their garage, or good, hard-working self-employed neighbors of yours – who are getting their knees cut out from them financially because of the ACA.

Now a Republican comes along with a good bill that helps the “makers” out. Cuts them a break. Gives them their old health care plans back – the ones they used to establish their baseline budgets for their small businesses in 2012 and 2013.

But the vibe here is to “let the Democrats own it!” – and screw any attempts to help your fellow Americans out – the “makers”, in the election year vernacular.

I don’t post here but I do respect and appreciate the free market and personal responsibility themes that are touted on Hot Air, and that are the backbone of this country.

Yet here’s a chance to help your self-employed brothers and sisters out, when they could use some Mama and Papa Grizzlies. But the prevailing sentiment is to leverage the ACA disaster to win elections, and not lend a hand when needed.

So, I don’t get this thread.

Consolidating power is what central planners do. Looking out for one another is what conservatives do. Sentencing millions of hard-working Americans to Stalin-esque health care plans so you can displace a few shadow Republicans in 2014 is a crime, in my opinion.

Full disclosure: I am a small business owner with two kids in college, and one on the way, So yes, I am venting. But my insurance has been canceled at the worst possible time, and the ACA alternative here in PA pumps up our premium, and deductibles, and disconnects us with our family doctor.

Frankly, I’d like to have my family’s old plan back. I didn’t expect so-called free marketers to get in the way.

Brian.oco1 on November 12, 2013 at 9:36 PM

Obama will probably start trying to get Benghazi more notice in the media to distract from the calamity of ObamacareTax.

One dead ambassador is nothing compared to the scores or hundreds who are going to die shortly in this country thanks to the incompetencies of the ‘Affordable’ [LAUGHTER] Health Care Act and the ideology-blinded imbeciles witlessly rolling out this destructive Juggernaut.

profitsbeard on November 12, 2013 at 9:36 PM

How can insurance companies control their underwriting when plans are approved one day and disapproved the next, in a wholesale, willy-nilly way? How can businesses control their costs? How are people supposed to manage their health care?

Paul-Cincy on November 12, 2013 at 9:39 PM

So when it does fail – and it will – Upton and the Repubs are giving the Dems a perfect scapegoat.

Stay the hell out and Let. It. Burn.

Hill60 on November 12, 2013 at 8:26 PM

Consider the source – this is from Fred “If you like your lightbulb you can (not) keep your lightbulb) Upton”. Tool. Eff him and the CFL he rode in on.

bofh on November 12, 2013 at 9:43 PM

The government has been trying to impose a benevolent tyranny using a mixture of lies and cronyism with inflexible partisan discipline, and use it micromanage an entire industry affecting the whole populace. It cannot work. Something had to give. The only question was, what would give way first? Now the question is, what else will collapse along with it?

Confutus on November 12, 2013 at 9:48 PM

I’m surprised at the comments.

Now a Republican comes along with a good bill that helps the “makers” out. Cuts them a break. Gives them their old health care plans back – the ones they used to establish their baseline budgets for their small businesses in 2012 and 2013.

But the vibe here is to “let the Democrats own it!” – and screw any attempts to help your fellow Americans out – the “makers”, in the election year vernacular.

So, I don’t get this thread.

Frankly, I’d like to have my family’s old plan back. I didn’t expect so-called free marketers to get in the way.

Brian.oco1 on November 12, 2013 at 9:36 PM

In my mind, this answers your question:

The government has been trying to impose a benevolent tyranny using a mixture of lies and cronyism with inflexible partisan discipline, and use it micromanage an entire industry affecting the whole populace. It cannot work. Something had to give. The only question was, what would give way first? Now the question is, what else will collapse along with it?

Confutus on November 12, 2013 at 9:48 PM

To me, “letting you keep your plan” (based on what exactly … the law, kindness, randomness … and for how long?), is part of their “benevolent tyranny”. It’s ugly populism too. It stinks. But I can appreciate how you’d just like your plan back to the way it was. But with ObamaCare, things aren’t going to go back to the way they were. It’s not going to happen.

Paul-Cincy on November 12, 2013 at 9:59 PM

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patterico.com/2013/11/12/hitler-finds-out-his-insurance-policy-was-cancelled/ workingclass artist on November 12, 2013 at 9:16 Pm

That was pretty funny.

wolly4321 on November 12, 2013 at 9:59 PM

Repeal.

Bmore on November 12, 2013 at 10:01 PM

LAW. OF. THE. LAND.

I don’t want people to suffer. My plan expires in April, so I’m in the same boat as everyone else. I don’t want to “let it implode” like Rush head-faked on Friday (and Hot Air fell for).

But—-people also need to know that voting democrat has consequences. So I am experiencing cognitive dissonance.

We fix this now in 2014 people have a sigh of relief and we start seeing headlines like “second look at government healthcare?”. That’s not good.

rjcylon on November 12, 2013 at 10:05 PM

I saw the headline and my intial reaction was “why wait ’til Friday”?

Repeal this trash. Don’t forget who shoved it down our throats.

freedomfirst on November 12, 2013 at 10:13 PM

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