CNN source: If White House doesn’t have solution to canceled plans by Friday, Dems may vote for GOP’s “Keep Your Plan Act”

posted at 8:01 pm on November 12, 2013 by Allahpundit

Amazing stuff via Mediaite. The “Keep Your Plan Act” is Fred Upton’s bill, which Jay Carney spent a few minutes attacking at today’s press briefing because it would make canceled plans available to all consumers, not just the ones who’d been enrolled in those plans before. That would be a disaster for the insurance industry. Healthy people would flee the new, more expensive plans for the resurrected cheaper ones, leaving no one in the new risk pool except sick people with very expensive treatments. That means either heavy losses for insurers, steep premium hikes next year to make up the difference, or some sort of federal bailout (congrats, red-state Democrats!) — or maybe a little of all three. You’ll have the same problem, though, albeit to a lesser extent, even if Upton’s bill is amended so that it applies only to people who’d been enrolled in a particular plan before it was cancelled. You can’t run a two-tiered healthy/sick insurance system. If the risk pools aren’t merged, replete with higher rates for the former, you can’t pay for the latter.

I understand why the GOP would back Upton’s bill. It’s a slam dunk politically, grinding Obama’s face in the consequences of his lie. This is the Democrats’ mess; Reid and the Senate can/will kill the bill if they like. I can’t understand why House Democrats, aware of the adverse selection problem that’s lurking here — and the political humiliation for the White House — would sign on, unless they’ve already reached a point of such pure terror over the “if you like your plan” backlash that they’re willing to kneecap ObamaCare six weeks out of the gate. Did they … not understand that millions of people were going to face cancellations and higher premiums under the law’s redistributive scheme? Of course they did. Steny Hoyer, number two in the Democratic caucus admitted it on October 29th. Fast forward two weeks and here’s where Hoyer is now:

“I don’t know what I’m gonna do on the Upton bill,” the Maryland Democrat said at a Tuesday briefing with reporters when discussing legislation sponsored by Energy and Commerce Chairman Fred Upton, R-Mich.

Hoyer noted that he was “inclined not to be for the Upton bill at this time,” but he emphasized that he was “not closed to the option,” and would “reserve judgment” until he had seen the legislative text, which is reportedly undergoing some tweaks.

“I agree that people who purchased their policies prior to [the law's enactment date] ought to be able to keep their policies,” he said.

If he agrees that they should be able to keep their policies, why did he vote for ObamaCare? The whole point of the law is that healthy middle-class people shouldn’t be allowed to keep policies that have relatively low premiums. We need to gouge those suckers with higher premiums for new “comprehensive” plans so that we can pay for the preexisting conditions of the sick. It’s like voting for immigration reform and then feigning surprise in five years when the newly “secure” border hasn’t halted illegal immigration. It’s not supposed to do that. That’s something you tell the hoi polloi in order to give Congress enough cover to vote for it.

The vote on Upton’s bill is set for Friday, which, per CNN’s source on the Hill, means the White House has 48 hours or so to come up with its own proposal for letting people keep their plans — adverse selection problem or not — before Democrats head for the lifeboats. Greg Sargent claims that the Democratic leadership is now warning the rank and file that rich liberal donors won’t look kindly at them if they abandon The One on his big “accomplishment.” I’ll leave you with this, just to show that the fear isn’t limited to Dems in red states. After a million cancellations, even DiFi’s nervous:


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That was pretty funny.

wolly4321 on November 12, 2013 at 9:59 PM

It was!

Hitler’s health insurance is cancelled
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=USG_gjaEYak

The subtitles are so right on.

Paul-Cincy on November 12, 2013 at 10:18 PM

Delay this, and I won’t be able to take any more crap from DC.

This thing needs immediate death! Someone introduce a bill to repeal it. Let’s see who respects voters.

freedomfirst on November 12, 2013 at 10:19 PM

I must confess, watching these Rats squirm and mewl is making the popcorn taste like Gordon Ramsey cooked it.

44Magnum on November 12, 2013 at 10:24 PM

Higher insurance costs for those, according to their ability, in order to give free healthcare to those, according to their needs.

ardenenoch on November 12, 2013 at 10:26 PM

CNN source: If White House doesn’t have solution to canceled plans really good lies that will not be totally exposed before November, 2014 by Friday, Dems may vote for GOP’s “Keep Your Plan Act”

VorDaj on November 12, 2013 at 10:33 PM

“Pass the popcorn?” I do confess to a morbid fascination with disasters, as long as I get to stand by and watch, and there is a certain entertainment value in the political comedy of the absurd coming out of Washington and New York. But I think maybe that should be “To the lifeboats!”

Confutus on November 12, 2013 at 10:36 PM

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

(inhales)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!111!!!

Good Lt on November 12, 2013 at 10:41 PM

FULL REPEAL.

ITguy on November 12, 2013 at 10:42 PM

Stupid GOP should have stayed out of it. They fall into the Dems traps so easily.That’s my opinion anyway.
bluefox on November 12, 2013 at 8:25 PM

I hate those lily livered GOPe quislings! !! They are going to wind up with a grand plan to salvage OboobiCare by Christmas instead of driving a stake thru the heart. For the children and destitute sick of course. The only way congress can enact this promise of keeping the plan will be thru more $$$ as long as the core of aca remain on the books. I hope 2014 will roust every one that is not commited to repealing aca.

AH_C on November 12, 2013 at 10:45 PM

Knowing Reid, Upton’s bill may get tabled. Then he’ll bring up Landrieu’s bill and force the R’s to vote no. That’s the whole reason the Dems (Landrieu) have their own bill. Reid has all kind of tricks, so if it isn’t that, it will be something else.

bluefox on November 12, 2013 at 8:25 PM

At which point the House Republicans should point out that since Obamacare is a tax, any laws effecting a tax MUST originate in the House. Then bring up the repeal bill.

dominigan on November 12, 2013 at 10:50 PM

RINOs are like the guy in the horror movie that shoots the monster, then turns around and starts talking. The ObamaCare monster always gets up and eats the RINO.

faraway on November 12, 2013 at 10:51 PM

Did they … not understand that millions of people were going to face cancellations and higher premiums under the law’s redistributive scheme?

Remember the infamous blathering of San Fran Nan:

“We have to pass the bill to see what’s in it”

Sacramento on November 12, 2013 at 10:52 PM

The GOP will save him, Boehner and McConnell will save him, so will McCain and Linsey. They will swoop in and save Obama and his key legislation, because they want it too. It’s about power and keeping Conservatives out.

Better get use to it, they will betray and cut a deal then they will all waddle over to the capital grill and buy a steak on your dime.

Conservative4ev on November 12, 2013 at 11:02 PM

Pass the bill to allow people keep their insurance. This is one stake through the heart of Obamacare but more are needed. But O’care is the gift that keeps on giving. Next year, employer policies will be canceled; people will see their deductibles sky rocket and lose their doctor. Will the continuation of preexisting policies, the insurance market will collapse. Then repeal will become possible.
The last thing the GOP wants to do now is look like they want people to hurt because of spite. The Dems are ready to exploit this. The GOP becomes part of the problem instead of the solution. We also need a delay of the individual mandate to vindicate Cruz.

breffnian on November 12, 2013 at 11:03 PM

At which point the House Republicans should point out that since Obamacare is a tax, any laws effecting a tax MUST originate in the House. Then bring up the repeal bill.

dominigan on November 12, 2013 at 10:50 PM

You made my day.

HiJack on November 12, 2013 at 11:10 PM

My own and my family health (medical) decisions are tough enough, I don’t need government, stupid, uncaring, rules driven government being a player in my kitchen. To paraphrase a wise American, “Can’t we all just repeal the law?”

steveracer on November 12, 2013 at 11:40 PM

“The time for talk is over”
- Barack Obama March 2010

ITguy on November 12, 2013 at 11:45 PM

Bahahahaaaaa!

Let the games, begin.

GeeWhiz on November 12, 2013 at 11:52 PM

I knew Obamacide would be a disaster, but I had no idea it would go this bad this fast.

The GOP should just sit back and watch for now.

Meremortal on November 13, 2013 at 12:44 AM

I understand why the GOP would back Upton’s bill. It’s a slam dunk politically, grinding Obama’s face in the consequences of his lie.

It’s f*cking retarded politically.

That whole thing about repealing Obamacare… I guess that was a great idea when the GOP kept pushing it even though Obama and Congressional democrats had no pressure to give in. And it was a wonderful idea when GOP approval was plummeting through the floor during the shutdown fight.

But now? Now that we have the public actually agreeing with us on what a disaster this is? Now that Democrats are running scared, and even the media is talking about how bad this is? Why, this would be a HORRIBLE time to suggest repeal. Clearly the right move is to play some sneaky game where we offer a fake solution that will inevitably make things worse, in the hope that Obama doesn’t accept, and in the hope that the public will believe this is a genuine attempt to make things better, rather than just the cynical gimmick that it is.

I guess it’s appropriate that this idiocy comes from a RINO whose most famous accomplishment up till now is a ban on light bulbs.

RINO in Name Only on November 13, 2013 at 1:50 AM

Hoyer … emphasized that he … would “reserve judgment” until he had seen the legislative text, which is reportedly undergoing some tweaks.

Will wonders never cease!! You mean he’s actually going to read the text of a bill before voting on it?! Too bad he and his Dembecile cohorts didn’t read PPACA before voting for it.

stukinIL4now on November 13, 2013 at 5:44 AM

Sorry, amending this junk law will only make it a more efficient bad and illegal law. They need to fully repeal it. Period.

stop2think on November 13, 2013 at 7:27 AM

The “Keep Your Plan Act” is Fred Upton’s bill, which Jay Carney spent a few minutes attacking at today’s press briefing because it would make canceled plans available to all consumers, not just the ones who’d been enrolled in those plans before.

Thank you, Fred! As a self-employed 27 year old who just got out of graduate school, I would have been the only healthy person left on the exchanges with nowhere else to turn if Landrieu’s plan is enacted.

I owe you so much, I’ll marry your niece.

blammm on November 13, 2013 at 7:34 AM

Going into the next election, OCare is the gift that keeps on giving. Not only did Obama lie about people being able to keep their health plans but he also lied when he said he wasn’t going to raise taxes on the middle class but got Obamacare through as a tax. A HUGE ASS middle class tax. He can’t get out of office fast enough for me.

OrbeaRider66 on November 13, 2013 at 7:36 AM

What exactly will this Republican legislation do?
Well, first off, it will not keep its promise, just like Obama did not.
It is not possible to reinstate the cancelled policies. In order to do so you would have to force everyone from the insurance companies, doctors, hospitals, medical device outlets and drug stores to accept the same prices and rules as they accepted this year, as there is no time to negotiate and come up with a realistic set of contracts, that window closed months ago.
Basically, it is Republicans shifting blame for failure from Obama to them selves. Way to go champs! Let me know when you have a plan that does not involve self destruction.

astonerii on November 13, 2013 at 7:49 AM

The GOP warned more than 40 times that the ACA would hurt Americans. The Dems had to actually see Americans get hurt to believe it.

Apparently the Dems are slow learners.

Daisy_WI on November 13, 2013 at 7:57 AM

Basically, it is Republicans shifting blame for failure from Obama to them selves. Way to go champs! Let me know when you have a plan that does not involve self destruction.

astonerii on November 13, 2013 at 7:49 AM

Yep. It’s clear it’s too late, even for cancellations that are just still in the works. The media will trumpet that the Rethuglicans got involved and now instead of 5 million cancellations there is 40 million.

Full Repeal or nothing. That should be coming out of the lips of every Republican in Congress and across the land.

Say it with me: “Full Repeal, Or Nothing.”

When any Dem says “Where is your plan?” Say “Full Repeal is the plan.”

oldroy on November 13, 2013 at 9:35 AM

The GOP warned more than 40 times that the ACA would hurt Americans. The Dems had to actually see Americans get hurt to believe it.

Apparently the Dems are slow learners.

Daisy_WI on November 13, 2013 at 7:57 AM

stu·pid
(stpd, sty-)
adj. stu·pid·er, stu·pid·est
1. Slow to learn or understand; obtuse.
2. Tending to make poor decisions or careless mistakes.
3. Marked by a lack of intelligence or care; foolish or careless.

Kirsten Powers slams White House Obamacare excuses: ‘My blood pressure goes up’

She [Powers] explained how she had been personally affected by the law and said the explanation from Obama and his press secretary Jay Carney is not based in truth. Powers said customers like her are seeing their premiums increase in order to subsidize others.

“My blood pressure goes up every time they say that they’re protecting us from substandard health insurance plans because there is nothing to support what they’re saying,” Powers said. “I have talked about how I am losing my health insurance. If I want to keep the same health insurance, it’s going to cost twice is as much. There’s nothing substandard about my plan. All of the things they say that are not in my plan are in my plan. All of the things they have listed — there’s no explanation for the doubling of my premiums other than the fact it’s subsidizing other people.

“They need to be honest about that — that that’s the reason they don’t want to change it,” she continued. “It’s because they’re basically taking the people who are responsible enough to get health insurance in the individual market and asking them to subsidize other people. So they’re taking young healthy people and asking them to subsidize other people. I don’t think that’s going to last, frankly. I think they’re trying to buy time until they think they’re going to reach this next deadline. I don’t think they’re going to reach it and when they don’t reach it … I think there is going to be an absolute — now, not just senators who are up for reelection, you know, calling for this to be fixed — so, I think they’re going to have to respond to that.”

Anti-Control on November 13, 2013 at 9:55 AM

What exactly will this Republican legislation do?
Well, first off, it will not keep its promise, just like Obama did not.
It is not possible to reinstate the cancelled policies. In order to do so you would have to force everyone from the insurance companies, doctors, hospitals, medical device outlets and drug stores to accept the same prices and rules as they accepted this year, as there is no time to negotiate and come up with a realistic set of contracts, that window closed months ago.
Basically, it is Republicans shifting blame for failure from Obama to them selves. Way to go champs! Let me know when you have a plan that does not involve self destruction.
astonerii on November 13, 2013 at 7:49 AM

This. This. THIS! How is the Congress going to force insurance companies to reopen plans they’ve cancelled? They cancelled them to comply with the new requirements in the ACA. The only way to get that toothpaste back in the tube is to slice out that section of OCare.

Otherwise this is all theater to look like they are ‘helping’ us.

the_schmoo on November 13, 2013 at 10:46 AM

This should become a GOP tradition: naming bills after Democrat lies.

Akzed on November 13, 2013 at 10:50 AM

Republicans need to vote again to repeal this awful law. Let the leftists in the Congress and the Senate vote for it, and let the chips fall where they may!
The plans canceled are gone! Are not retrievable or recoverable.
Insurance Companies are mandated under the law to provide minimum “standards” (none of which I would choose) and they, by law cannot provide the plans individuals chose for themselves.
The do gooders in Congress have spoken!
Well Republicans should speak loud and clear too!
STOP THIS LEGISLATIVE CRAP NOW!

Delsa on November 13, 2013 at 11:00 AM

Kirsten Powers slams White House Obamacare excuses: ‘My blood pressure goes up’…

Anti-Control on November 13, 2013 at 9:55 AM

A liberal that’s been mugged.

slickwillie2001 on November 13, 2013 at 11:01 AM

Frankly, I’d like to have my family’s old plan back. I didn’t expect so-called free marketers to get in the way.

Brian.oco1 on November 12, 2013 at 9:36 PM

This isn’t about you. This is about fixing the country.

Furthermore, this isn’t the GOP’s fault. This is the work of the Democrats and Obama. THEY are the ones who forced this on us. So get your anger pointed in the right direction.

fossten on November 13, 2013 at 11:38 AM

Both Upton’s and Landrieu’s plans are little more than a lame attempt at putting a band-aid / spin on the most immediate clusterfark coming out of the EpicClusterFark. Neither will really ‘fix’ things – and each open their own can of worms that will complicate things without really solving things.

The only real solution remains the one that the majority of the Democrats and the President refuse to consider – repeal the ACA and then rather than have the government develop legislation to expand its power and seize control of 1/6th of the national economy, address the challenges in the healthcare industry in simple, measured steps like those proposed in 2011 in HR2.

The one advantage of either of the two ‘fixes’ is that with neither really being able to ‘fix’ Obamacare, this EpicClusterFark will remain pretty much front and center as a steaming pile through the 2014 midterms.

Athos on November 13, 2013 at 11:56 AM

I must confess, watching these Rats squirm and mewl is making the popcorn taste like Gordon Ramsey cooked it.

44Magnum on November 12, 2013 at 10:24 PM

I’m with you there.

Kirsten Powers slams White House Obamacare excuses: ‘My blood pressure goes up’…

Anti-Control on November 13, 2013 at 9:55 AM

Just another liberal useful idiot who touted Obamacare for years. Only when their own perverted plans affect them do they care. Usually, their perverted plans only screw other people.

cajunpatriot on November 13, 2013 at 12:51 PM

A liberal that’s been mugged.

slickwillie2001 on November 13, 2013 at 11:01 AM

Just another liberal useful idiot who touted Obamacare for years. Only when their own perverted plans affect them do they care. Usually, their perverted plans only screw other people.

cajunpatriot on November 13, 2013 at 12:51 PM

If I may say something about liberals … and this isn’t good … it takes an extra effort from them to appreciate how their vision and laws affect others. They consider themselves compassionate, but then why do they have so much trouble seeing things from the point of view of others? While, when a conservative proposes a policy or law, he appreciates that it applies to himself as well as to other people. So if and when a conservative is caught up in a law of his own making, he’s not shocked, he’s not surprised. And he’s not going to complain. Because if he proposes a law for all, then he understands he’s in no position to complain when it trips him up. You take your medicine.

The liberals’ supposed trump card is, “but what if your own attitude was applied towards yourself?”, as if it’s the ultimate “gotcha” question. The kicker is, conservatives have already factored this in, because equality under the law is a key principle. While it’s perpetually a shocker to liberals when they get caught up in their own policies. They have an epiphany — “I had no idea!”. It’s comical.

Paul-Cincy on November 13, 2013 at 1:13 PM

What the hell is wrong with the GOP? When your enemy is busy stabbing himself in the stomach you don’t sit there and hand him bandages…

There must be a better name than the “Stupid Party” because stupid doesn’t even begin to describe it.

mpthompson on November 13, 2013 at 1:51 PM

FULL REPEAL OR NOTHING!!!

Pest on November 13, 2013 at 1:51 PM

So now they will flee a burning building after they voted for the fire. Don’t give them credit for it. Vote these Democrats out in 1214 no matter what.

Chessplayer on November 13, 2013 at 2:23 PM

WHY, WHY, WHY didn’t the R’s in the House submit a Repeal and Replace (tort reform, state lines, etc.) plan instead of the Upton bill? If Reid tabled it in the Senate, R’s could scream “You don’t care about people!!!” The Senate, meanwhile, comes up with the Landrieu bill, but the House can then say, no, all plans with a tax originate with us, so once you’ve put Repeal and Replace to an up and down vote, we’ll go from there. Reid, due to public outcry, then puts Repeal Replace on the table, it’s voted on (maybe voted down, but MAYBE NOT). If passed, it goes to Obama, who will be forced to veto it, and his popularity plummets. Only if Reid says no to Repeal and Replace despite the current outcry, would it make sense to present Upton as a fallback position (ignoring Landrieu bill altogether).

Only the incompetent RINOs would take a fallback position first when the enemy is on the ropes. Grrr…..

idalily on November 13, 2013 at 2:49 PM

I’m surprised at the comments.

Now a Republican comes along with a good bill that helps the “makers” out. Cuts them a break. Gives them their old health care plans back – the ones they used to establish their baseline budgets for their small businesses in 2012 and 2013.

But the vibe here is to “let the Democrats own it!” – and screw any attempts to help your fellow Americans out – the “makers”, in the election year vernacular.

So, I don’t get this thread.

Frankly, I’d like to have my family’s old plan back. I didn’t expect so-called free marketers to get in the way.

Brian.oco1 on November 12, 2013 at 9:36 PM

You can’t get your own plan back while this law is in place – its not only a matter of the insurers not having the legal ability to offer it to you. It’s that they can not afford to offer them, or they won’t make enough to counter the cost of all the sick people who they HAVE to insure, at a loss. So either the private market collapses entirely, or more likely, you simply see your “old plan”‘s premium skyrocket until you can’t recognize it.

Half of this bill is even more destructive than all of it. Without forcing healthy people to buy all this expensive insurance they don’t need, they have no way to make up for the loss private insurers absorb from being forced to cover people with pre-existing conditions. That is why we need to push for a full repeal all at once – doing it piecemeal will just make things worse.

RINO in Name Only on November 13, 2013 at 10:19 PM

Bill or no bill, the insurance companies CAN’T provide the same insurance options. TOO LATE! (Details have been provided in other threads.)

The Democrats will feign an attempt at this fix.
Giving them a go-to counter-argument in 2014.

Republicans will have associated themselves with Obamacare and will have shown they can’t solve problems, either.

The conservative wing will be outraged at the RINO’s attempt to fix Obamacare instead of repeal, thus causing some to stay away from the polls.

Why are Republicans so freakin’ stupid?

Carnac on November 14, 2013 at 11:00 AM

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