Video: Gonzaga students placed on probation for defending themselves with legally owned handgun

posted at 4:01 pm on November 11, 2013 by Allahpundit

Via RCP. They live in an apartment building owned by the school and the rules governing school property are clear: If a man convicted of six felonies is unhappy that you won’t give him money, grab a blunt instrument and hope for the best. Or give him the money. That might work too. Might.

The two kids were initially facing expulsion for having a handgun on campus but the backlash has been so fast and so ferocious that Gonzaga’s president is now proposing that it reexamine its policy on guns. Not only haven’t they been expelled, they weren’t so much as suspended; they’ve been placed on probation, GU’s concession to the letter of the law. (They’re appealing that ruling.) Why the school thought to pursue action against them in the first place given the certainty of bad press they’d earn by doing so, I have no idea. Maybe they were caught between two constituencies. There probably are gun-control fans on campus, either faculty or students or both, who are outrageously outraged that these two brought one of those things on campus even though it may well have saved both their lives. If you’re a university apparatchik eager to remain in good standing in the community, you usually can’t go wrong erring on the side of insane liberal outcomes. This was a rare misfire, no pun intended.


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Why the school thought to pursue action against them in the first place given the certainty of bad press they’d earn by doing so, I have no idea.

Because, like good little ignorant liberals, they were sure the public, at the very least the press and government, would be on their side.

How dare those kids use an evil gun with extended banana lug clips to defend themselves.

cozmo on November 11, 2013 at 4:05 PM

Both of them should receive free tuition for the balance of their undergrad work.

oldleprechaun on November 11, 2013 at 4:05 PM

From what I read, the building isn’t even on campus, but just owned by the school. That was one of the kid’s reasoning as to why he’d be allowed to have the gun. The way he also told the story of what happened sounds like he has a good understanding of the law.

The best part was where the school official declared that the kids shouldn’t have opened the door until the verified who was there. So essentially it’s the kids fault that they were almost robbed/assaulted. But hey, the official also said they have security that wanders around from time to time…

nextgen_repub on November 11, 2013 at 4:05 PM

One of the greatest tools of the progressive is to leave people at the mercy of “non-state actors”. It makes people dependent and fearful, a double win for the left.

rob verdi on November 11, 2013 at 4:07 PM

The white kid is obviously racist since he used the gun to defend himself against a black person.

The Notorious G.O.P on November 11, 2013 at 4:07 PM

The bigger question here is why it is necessary to have to defend yourself in a town like Spokane. It used to be a beautiful safe place. Now it’s such a shiitehole…

oldroy on November 11, 2013 at 4:09 PM

From what I read, the building isn’t even on campus, but just owned by the school.

nextgen_repub on November 11, 2013 at 4:05 PM

School property, school rules. It seems the bad guy was the one involved who knew the rules. Too bad for him that he wanted to rob guys who flaunt the rules.

Shame on them.

cozmo on November 11, 2013 at 4:10 PM

How dare those kids use an evil gun with extended banana lug clips to defend themselves.

cozmo on November 11, 2013 at 4:05 PM

Must have had a rusty bayonet laced with hanta virus also.

oldroy on November 11, 2013 at 4:10 PM

How dare those kids use an evil gun with extended banana lug clips to defend themselves.

cozmo on November 11, 2013 at 4:05 PM

Lucky for them it didn’t have a bayonet on it, that increases the lethality by 1,000% and they would be in jail for sure.

Johnnyreb on November 11, 2013 at 4:10 PM

May many Jonathan Taylor thugs attack and rob every f***ing white liberal in the country…

mnjg on November 11, 2013 at 4:11 PM

Why you need a gun, Exhibit A.

the_nile on November 11, 2013 at 4:11 PM

There was a gun at a school, and it saved lives. Gonzaga was probably prosecuting these two in the hope that this little nugget didn’t get lodged in the national psyche.

They should have threatened expulsion and then promised only probation if they kept quiet, and switched to a Nerf gun. Now it’s too late.

TexasDan on November 11, 2013 at 4:12 PM

The bigger question here is why it is necessary to have to defend yourself in a town like Spokane. It used to be a beautiful safe place. Now it’s such a shiitehole…

oldroy on November 11, 2013 at 4:09 PM

Sorry. My apologies… gang infested shiitehole…

oldroy on November 11, 2013 at 4:12 PM

At the risk of rehashing comments from the Headlines thread…

I think this is a profoundly stupid policy on the part of the school. The idea that banning guns increases safety is simply, demonstrably false. And to further compound the matter by suspending someone who may have very well only be alive today because of the gun is beyond idiotic.

That being said, I think the cries of “infringement of rights” and “second amendment” are misplaced. This is not a state school. It is a private school. This housing is private school property. They can set whatever (stupid) rules they like. If they want to stop people from bringing guns onto the property, they can do so. And if a student does not like it, they can choose to live in alternate housing or attend another university. That’s the nature of private property.

Shump on November 11, 2013 at 4:13 PM

What a rip-off. I came here looking for Gonzagas.

DethMetalCookieMonst on November 11, 2013 at 4:15 PM

with the administration be happier if the students were dead?

ted c on November 11, 2013 at 4:15 PM

The two kids were initially facing expulsion for having a handgun on campus but the backlash has been so fast and so ferocious that Gonzaga’s president is now proposing that it reexamine its policy on guns. Not only haven’t they been expelled, they weren’t so much as suspended; they’ve been placed on probation, GU’s concession to the letter of the law. (They’re appealing that ruling.) Why the school thought to pursue action against them in the first place given the certainty of bad press they’d earn by doing so, I have no idea.

Firstly, if the president is serious about the reconsideration, good for him. But you gotta hand it to these two students: absolutely spot-on for the TV interview. Suits and ties, clean cut and hair trimmed, breathtakingly respectful: “I immediately drew on Mr Taylor and Mr Taylor fled.”

Keeee-rist, double-Es who are neatly dressed, competent, polite and self-assured? I’d hire these kids on the spot! Screw the degree! They can transfer and pick up their degrees at some other school.

The War Planner on November 11, 2013 at 4:16 PM

1) They both should be expelled;
2) They both should be arrested; and
3) Since they’ve been arrested, they should lose their CCW.

I can’t imagine any of you mouf-breathers could argue with that….

JFKY on November 11, 2013 at 4:17 PM

The bigger question here is why it is necessary to have to defend yourself in a town like Spokane. It used to be a beautiful safe place. Now it’s such a shiitehole…

oldroy on November 11, 2013 at 4:09 PM

Sorry. My apologies… gang infested shiitehole…

oldroy on November 11, 2013 at 4:12 PM

Illegal immigration maybe? Their parents should sue Gonzaga for endangering it’s students.

kcewa on November 11, 2013 at 4:18 PM

These two scofflaws are making a mockery of a well intended rule that provides other students protection from the possibility of having to view a weapon on campus.

antipc on November 11, 2013 at 4:19 PM

What a rip-off. I came here looking for Gonzagas.

DethMetalCookieMonst on November 11, 2013 at 4:15 PM

..here you go.

The War Planner on November 11, 2013 at 4:19 PM

Not only haven’t they been expelled, they weren’t so much as suspended; they’ve been placed on probation, GU’s concession to the letter of the law.

But he and McIntosh plan to appeal their probations, he said.

“That information is going to be on our educational record, and anytime we go for a job interview and show them our transcripts, that information will be on there,” Fagan said. “We don’t feel like we should be punished just for defending ourselves.”

kcewa on November 11, 2013 at 4:20 PM

But you gotta hand it to these two students: absolutely spot-on for the TV interview. Suits and ties, clean cut and hair trimmed, breathtakingly respectful: “I immediately drew on Mr Taylor and Mr Taylor fled.”

Keeee-rist, double-Es who are neatly dressed, competent, polite and self-assured? I’d hire these kids on the spot! Screw the degree! They can transfer and pick up their degrees at some other school.

The War Planner on November 11, 2013 at 4:16 PM

No doubt that they look, dress and talk like good Conservative Republicans :)… And the one who pulled the gun on the thug is studying electric engineering… Most engineers tend to be conservatives…

mnjg on November 11, 2013 at 4:20 PM

School property, school rules. It seems the bad guy was the one involved who knew the rules. Too bad for him that he wanted to rob guys who flaunt the rules.

Shame on them.

cozmo on November 11, 2013 at 4:10 PM


Help me out here.

The university is more upset with two students breaking a contractual obligation than they are with the person committing a felony?

Is that a fair summary?

PolAgnostic on November 11, 2013 at 4:20 PM

Shump on November 11, 2013 at 4:13 PM

Normally I would agree. Property owners should have the right to enact their own rules. How ’bout if a landlord doesn’t want to rent to gays? Blacks? Whites? Liberals? Libertarians? Christians? Muslim? Do you get the point yet?

The right to bear arms is a constitutionally protected right. By renting the place, the tenant is allowed certain rights of their own. Especially those specifically written in the Constitution. Or its amendments (added for sticklers).

cozmo on November 11, 2013 at 4:22 PM

Really who knew that declaring something a Gun-Free Zone would not ensure safety, but merely draw a 6 Time Felon? Though to be fair, the felon did not possess a firearm, so at least HE was following the rules…unlike those Pesky Kidz! He woudda gotten away with it too, if it weren’t for them and their pistol!

JFKY on November 11, 2013 at 4:23 PM

My oldest is a senior at Gonzaga. I have been there a few times over the last 3+ years. I can’t remember seeing any students that did not look somewhat presentable. Much more so than what I have seen at schools on the Seattle side of the state. I talked with him about this story this morning and he said that most students are furious over how the school handled it.

AndrewsDad on November 11, 2013 at 4:24 PM

Is that a fair summary?

PolAgnostic on November 11, 2013 at 4:20 PM

Yep.

cozmo on November 11, 2013 at 4:24 PM

Looking at Google maps I see they live a few blocks from the ATF office in Spokane. They should go there and see if they can upgrade their firepower from the Fast and Furious stockpile.

kcewa on November 11, 2013 at 4:27 PM

The university is more upset with two students breaking a contractual obligation than they are with the person committing a felony?

Is that a fair summary?

PolAgnostic on November 11, 2013 at 4:20 PM

Yes, the Felon is a Person of Colour, disadvantaged by this Oppressive, Structurally Racist Capitalist Elitist Society and it’s Prison-Industrial Complex, he is the VICTIM here, whereas the two students are obviously scions of this Oppressive, Racist, Sexist Homophobic Society that exploits Womyn, the Poor and People of Colour AND they are obviously the recipients of the benefits of White Privilege. They had a firearm, the Felon did not. In a truly Just Society Mr Taylor would have been the recipient of not only an Obamphone, ObamaCare, but also an ObamaGlock, paid for by a nominal surcharge on the licenses issued by the Federal Government.

JFKY on November 11, 2013 at 4:29 PM

They live in an apartment building owned by the school and the rules governing school property are clear

I didn’t see anything at the link which addresses the not so clear policy pointed out by Eugene Volokh in his brief post on this. I would think if it was clear, Gonzaga would have included that clarity in their statement.

Volokh also brings up an issue of whether the search and seizure by Campus Police was in conformance with Washington’s landlord-tenant law. All in all, I’ll bet Gonzaga doesn’t have rules that were clear in this case and I wouldn’t be surprised if they violated WA laws with their search and seizure.

Dusty on November 11, 2013 at 4:30 PM

Dusty on November 11, 2013 at 4:30 PM

Whoops. Here’s Volokh’s post.

Dusty on November 11, 2013 at 4:31 PM

Help me out here.

The university is more upset with two students breaking a contractual obligation than they are with the person committing a felony?

Is that a fair summary?

PolAgnostic on November 11, 2013 at 4:20 PM

Yup…the fact that these kids dared to go against the wise rules of their academic overlords is enough to warrant expulsion. They must be made an example of so other students don’t dare question the handbook.

nextgen_repub on November 11, 2013 at 4:33 PM

The bigger question here is why it is necessary to have to defend yourself in a town like Spokane. It used to be a beautiful safe place. Now it’s such a shiitehole…

oldroy on November 11, 2013 at 4:09 PM

I think it has something to do with the history of the textile industry…

JohnGalt23 on November 11, 2013 at 4:46 PM

Is it… Double Secret Probation?

Mazz on November 11, 2013 at 4:48 PM

Sorry. My apologies… gang infested shiitehole…

oldroy on November 11, 2013 at 4:12 PM

Compared to California? – Not so much.

Spokane is still a nice place.

It’s mostly conservative (it’s nothing like Seattle …and it’s night and day different than California …from whence I moved two years ago this month, in my bestest move evah …which explains my civic boosterism). People are polite. Strangers are polite and friendly. Teenagers are even polite.

People who work in Home Depot and Lowes actually come up to you – out of the blue – and ask if you need help. And then …they help. Remarkable. And remarkably common.

The standard joke around here goes:

Q: If it’s 9:30PM in Seattle, what time is it in Spokane?
A: 1964.

…it turns out that living in 1964 is awesome.

…Gonzaga is a Jesuit university btw. With a pretty darn good basketball team (this town is simply basketball mad).

It’s a great place to live. Clean air. Clean water. Not too wet (eastern Washington is nothing like the coast). Not too hot. No state income tax. Reasonable housing prices. Cultural amenities (for such a small city). Recreational opportunities all over the place. Traffic isn’t an issue.

Pretty damn safe for a smallish city (call it a half million people total in the Spokane/Coeur D’Alene “metro area”).

You can do FAR worse than here.

You just have to be okay with snow a few months out of the year.

…for a California boy (I’d never really seen snow, let alone lived in it), that was not a high hurdle. Turns out I like snow lol.

davisbr on November 11, 2013 at 4:48 PM

Oh come on AP, you fully intended that pun; don’t deny it, embrace it, I applaud you for it … well done sir, well done indeed.

Grinch on November 11, 2013 at 4:50 PM

Why the school thought to pursue action against them in the first place given the certainty of bad press they’d earn by doing so, I have no idea.

I’m sure that in the liberal echo chamber of academia, it seemed a no-brainer to go out after the two students. Especially since the criminal was merely engaged in grassroots wealth redistribution.

Happy Nomad on November 11, 2013 at 4:50 PM

BTW, those kids aren’t off the hook yet. The criminal is apt to sue them for having a gun in a clearly marked gun-free zone. That’s dishonest!

Happy Nomad on November 11, 2013 at 4:53 PM

Especially since the spontaneous local community organizercriminal was merely engaged in grassroots wealth redistribution.

Happy Nomad on November 11, 2013 at 4:50 PM

FIFY

JFKY on November 11, 2013 at 4:55 PM

I live just outside Spokane and have spent a fair amount of time on & around campus.

1. The apartments are owned by the university but aren’t actually on campus. This is important because it’s actually a relatively high crime urban area. There should be little expectation of absolute safety in this area. And if the university can’t provide an absolute guarantee of safety (guarded entrances, etc.), then who are they to tell the students how they can or cannot protect themselves.

2. Spokane has the same types of crimes that most cities this size with a central urban downtown have. But has become worse recently. Most of it is due to the influx of drugs and gangs and the police coming out and saying that they don’t have time to deal with property crimes. Liberals in charge of the city aren’t helping much.

3. I had a slight hope that they would be expelled and win a massive civil rights lawsuit against the university.

4. The uproar has been massive. My Facebook has been full of students and former students (many of whom are liberal) up in arms against this persecution. This is a case where the ‘smart’ people in charge of the university were forced to realize how out of touch they are with the rest of the populace.

5. Zero tolerance policies are in absolute opposition of common sense policies.

mattshu on November 11, 2013 at 5:01 PM

Liberal idiots. Too stupid to understand the Constitution or Heller.

pat on November 11, 2013 at 5:02 PM

I’d be happy to be out of a jackup “Catholic” university like Gonzaga.

Ward Cleaver on November 11, 2013 at 5:08 PM

Campus security entered this off campus apartment without a warrant and took the students’ guns. They haven’t returned them, so now the the students have reported it as theft to the Spokane police. Gun theft is a felony. Way to go Gonzaga.

juliesa on November 11, 2013 at 5:13 PM

Most engineers tend to be conservatives…

mnjg on November 11, 2013 at 4:20 PM

Liberal BS doesn’t make your computer run or keep your plane in the air.

Socratease on November 11, 2013 at 5:14 PM

The university is to blame for this unfortunate incident. If they had given the students “Gun Free Zone” signs, they could have brandished one of those signs at the intruder to chase him off.

There Goes the Neighborhood on November 11, 2013 at 5:23 PM

What a rip-off. I came here looking for Gonzagas.

DethMetalCookieMonst on November 11, 2013 at 4:15 PM
I thought it was prononced- Kazongas

Rio Linda Refugee on November 11, 2013 at 5:27 PM

If they had given the students “Gun Free Zone” signs, they could have brandished one of those signs at the intruder to chase him off.

There Goes the Neighborhood on November 11, 2013 at 5:23 PM

Hey, those sharp edges are intimidating!

Seriously, has there been any reported incident where somebody was intending to use a firearm but was deterred by “gun free zones?” It certainly hasn’t worked for the gun-free city of Chicago!

Happy Nomad on November 11, 2013 at 5:36 PM

c’mon! they were in a gun free zone fer cryin’ out loud…you mean to tell me those two couldn’t handle an unarmed robber?

DanMan on November 11, 2013 at 5:40 PM

Good idea, advertise that the students cannot protect themselves…

Open season on “good” citizens…

right2bright on November 11, 2013 at 5:44 PM

Rio Linda Refugee on November 11, 2013 at 5:27 PM

its bazongas that go with badonkadonks

DanMan on November 11, 2013 at 5:47 PM

c’mon! they were in a gun free zone fer cryin’ out loud…you mean to tell me those two couldn’t handle an unarmed robber?

DanMan on November 11, 2013 at 5:40 PM

And where is the criticism that the university doesn’t provide students with a safe building?

Happy Nomad on November 11, 2013 at 5:49 PM

Normally I would agree. Property owners should have the right to enact their own rules. How ’bout if a landlord doesn’t want to rent to gays? Blacks? Whites? Liberals? Libertarians? Christians? Muslim? Do you get the point yet?

Yes. And my answer is, they should not have to. Period. Anymore than I should be told who I have to admit into my home.

The right to bear arms is a constitutionally protected right. By renting the place, the tenant is allowed certain rights of their own. Especially those specifically written in the Constitution. Or its amendments (added for sticklers).

cozmo on November 11, 2013 at 4:22 PM

The rights enshrined in the Constitution as protected have nothing to do with the landlord/tenant relationship. The Bill of Rights is there for the purpose of restricting government. It has nothing what-so-ever to do with private business and its customers. If we are to say that the Second Amendment guarantees you the right to bear arms regardless of what the landlord says, than we must also say that the First Amendment gives you the right to stand in the lobby of the landlord’s main office building and give speeches all day long about why one should not rent from them.

Shump on November 11, 2013 at 5:52 PM

I think it has something to do with the history of the textile industry…

JohnGalt23 on November 11, 2013 at 4:46 PM

Huh?!? Maybe you’re thinking of the aluminum/smelting industry? (Kaiser Aluminum was a huge employer for decades.)

GWB on November 11, 2013 at 6:04 PM

Shump on November 11, 2013 at 5:52 PM

You are mixing rights, laws and responsibilities.

There is quite a difference between possessing a legal product in your home (rented, or owned) and occupying private property to rant (the first amendment applies to government, fire in a theater and all that).

You would also be sorely disappointed as a landlord. Not to mention bankrupt.

cozmo on November 11, 2013 at 6:06 PM

From Volokh’s site, quoting the Gonzaga Bulletin:

Fagan and McIntosh said they didn’t know about GU’s weapons policy. They said they didn’t realize that rules pertaining to on-campus conduct applied to the Sinto Apartments….

Even if someone had alerted him to the zero-tolerance weapons policy, McIntosh said that he wouldn’t have gotten rid of his pistol.

“I would’ve probably not have lived there,” McIntosh said. “I would’ve moved out … I do not feel safe, because it’s the Logan Neighborhood. It’s not a good place.”

So, did the University make any attempt to warn these students (or any other potential or current tennants) or dissuade them from moving into the apartment, even though it knew (or should have known) that it was “not a good place”?

Seems like the University might have been playing awfully fast-and-loose with the welfare of its students. I imagine that the student’s attorney will ask some interesting questions about this, as well as determining how much “security” the University actually provided for the “off campus” housing from which it collected rent.

bofh on November 11, 2013 at 6:19 PM

The right to bear arms is a constitutionally protected right. By renting the place, the tenant is allowed certain rights of their own. Especially those specifically written in the Constitution. Or its amendments (added for sticklers).

cozmo on November 11, 2013 at 4:22 PM

The rights enshrined in the Constitution as protected have nothing to do with the landlord/tenant relationship. The Bill of Rights is there for the purpose of restricting government. It has nothing what-so-ever to do with private business and its customers. If we are to say that the Second Amendment guarantees you the right to bear arms regardless of what the landlord says, than we must also say that the First Amendment gives you the right to stand in the lobby of the landlord’s main office building and give speeches all day long about why one should not rent from them.

Shump on November 11, 2013 at 5:52 PM

I think it gets a lot more complicated in the real world. When you rent a property in a bad neighborhood and ban self-defense weapons, you’re essentially telling all renters that they don’t have the right to protect themselves.

That’s a very serious thing.

I wonder how many property owners who would do that would be upfront with their renters about the restriction on having the means to defend yourself. I suspect in most cases they might put it in the contract, but keep quiet about it, for fear of not being able to rent the place. Or else they would encourage the renter to believe that they don’t really enforce the provision.

Regardless, if the choice is to let myself get attacked or violate a provision of the lease and risk losing the lease, I know which one I would choose.

In this case, specifically, the students don’t seem to be aware that they were restricted from having a gun on the premises. I suspect there’s a reason they weren’t aware, and the university is trying to enforce a provision after the fact that they didn’t really spell out before.

The wording of the clause against possession of guns seems to apply to university-owned buildings on campus. It may be that they panicked and tried to apply the rule when it didn’t really apply.

There Goes the Neighborhood on November 11, 2013 at 6:25 PM

What a rip-off. I came here looking for Gonzagas.

DethMetalCookieMonst on November 11, 2013 at 4:15 PM

..here you go.

The War Planner on November 11, 2013 at 4:19 PM

.
Hey, that woman has fake red hair… but those melons look really, really firm.

ExpressoBold on November 11, 2013 at 6:33 PM

That being said, I think the cries of “infringement of rights” and “second amendment” are misplaced. This is not a state school. It is a private school. This housing is private school property. They can set whatever (stupid) rules they like. If they want to stop people from bringing guns onto the property, they can do so. And if a student does not like it, they can choose to live in alternate housing or attend another university. That’s the nature of private property.

Shump on November 11, 2013 at 4:13 PM

Soooo… if I rent an apartment to someone, can I deny them the ability to fill out an absentee voting ballet? According to you, I can revoke any Constitutional law just because they are on my premises. Correct?

dominigan on November 11, 2013 at 6:36 PM

The rights enshrined in the Constitution as protected have nothing to do with the landlord/tenant relationship. The Bill of Rights is there for the purpose of restricting government. It has nothing what-so-ever to do with private business and its customers. If we are to say that the Second Amendment guarantees you the right to bear arms regardless of what the landlord says, than we must also say that the First Amendment gives you the right to stand in the lobby of the landlord’s main office building and give speeches all day long about why one should not rent from them.

Shump on November 11, 2013 at 5:52 PM

Sooo… if I own a plantation, I can fill it with slaves? The 13th Amendment only applies to slaves with respect to government when the slaves are on public property? Correct?

dominigan on November 11, 2013 at 6:39 PM

oldroy on November 11, 2013 at 4:12 PM

I have lived in Spokane for almost 3 years now. Overall, it’s a great place to live. It’s more than a little infuriating that we keep making national news based on the violence and/or stupidity of a few people. The city is such that the “bad” parts of town are mixed in with the good- you can be in a great area, but go two streets over and it’s like a completely different city. I can sum it up with this- I have 2.5 kids, and my wife and I love the area enough to have just bought a house… but I still conceal-carry daily.
The part of this whole story I find funniest is that when I was looking for a grad school, I looked at Gonzaga- but passed when I saw they prohibit guns on campus. At the U of U, I carried every day for undergrad. Why should Gonzaga expect me to value my life less now that I have a degree, job, and family?

Komsomoletz on November 11, 2013 at 7:29 PM

Ooh, Ooh a gun related thread.
If I might take the opportunity to spam for my compelely non-commercial, non-profit gun site, to which I just added a “Name that Gun” feature.

Here: Identify that Gun

I’m proud to say that the site is now generating just slightly more hits than would be achieved by that infinite number of monkeys typing randomly on a keyboard.

justltl on November 11, 2013 at 7:46 PM

justltl on November 11, 2013 at 7:46 PM

Um, when did you sneak into my bedroom for your premier pic?

cozmo on November 11, 2013 at 7:49 PM

Then again, maybe not.

justltl on November 11, 2013 at 7:50 PM

I was born and raised in Spokane, and as a Catholic I wanted to go to Gonzaga, which is a private Catholic college. I lasted one semester. It was that liberal. I couldn’t stand it. I transferred to WSU, which, while a state university, was much more balanced than Gonzaga.

I don’t live in Spokane anymore but that city has a bit of a meth problem, and the crime is high for a city of that size. While Gonzaga is liberal, the city itself trends more conservative, and punishing these students for defending themselves would not have ended well. I’m not surprised Gonzaga is backtracking. I’m also not surprised its reflexive response was initially anti-gun.

Aodhan on November 11, 2013 at 7:51 PM

Um, when did you sneak into my bedroom for your premier pic?

cozmo on November 11, 2013 at 7:49 PM

Your bedroom is on the NSA webcam site.
And the price isn’t that bad.
Not that I would check it out or anything.

justltl on November 11, 2013 at 7:53 PM

Then again, maybe not.

justltl on November 11, 2013 at 7:50 PM

Ignore that post.
I thought that the filter ate my shameless spampost.

justltl on November 11, 2013 at 7:55 PM

BTW:
Holy crap, cozmo, you have that revolver???

justltl on November 11, 2013 at 7:59 PM

justltl on November 11, 2013 at 7:59 PM

Yes

Who wants to try and remember “cocked and locked”, or “is safe up, or down” when woken at four in the morning?

cozmo on November 11, 2013 at 8:04 PM

justltl on November 11, 2013 at 7:46 PM

FN SCAR-L 5.56mm desert finish.

Colt Python .357 Magnum, 4″, blued.

(But you knew I was going to say that.)

cheers

eon

eon on November 11, 2013 at 8:27 PM

Yes

Who wants to try and remember “cocked and locked”, or “is safe up, or down” when woken at four in the morning?

cozmo on November 11, 2013 at 8:04 PM

No, no that’s a great gun. Just envious :)

FN SCAR-L 5.56mm desert finish.

Colt Python .357 Magnum, 4″, blued.

(But you knew I was going to say that.)

cheers

eon

eon on November 11, 2013 at 8:27 PM

Ha. Very good.
I’ll be making them more challenging for you.

justltl on November 11, 2013 at 8:37 PM

Colt Python .357 Magnum, 4″, blued.

(But you knew I was going to say that.)

cheers

eon

eon on November 11, 2013 at 8:27 PM

Absolutely beautiful gun.

Murphy9 on November 11, 2013 at 8:43 PM

Ward Cleaver on November 11, 2013 at 5:08 PM

Yep.

pannw on November 11, 2013 at 8:48 PM

Absolutely beautiful gun.

Murphy9 on November 11, 2013 at 8:43 PM

Yes, but this one is the real looker.

cozmo on November 11, 2013 at 8:51 PM

Yes, but this one is the real looker.

cozmo on November 11, 2013 at 8:51 PM

Maybe in Gold.

Murphy9 on November 11, 2013 at 9:36 PM

Murphy9 on November 11, 2013 at 9:36 PM

Are you daft man? Besides, that is the .44 model. The .357 is the purty sister.

cozmo on November 11, 2013 at 9:42 PM

A Desert Eagle would be a good one for the site.

Thanks, cosmo.

justltl on November 11, 2013 at 10:28 PM

Are you daft man? Besides, that is the .44 model. The .357 is the purty sister.

cozmo on November 11, 2013 at 9:42 PM

The gold one is .50 AE.

This one is a looker too. The Para 14.45

Murphy9 on November 11, 2013 at 10:31 PM

The gold one is .50 AE.

Murphy9 on November 11, 2013 at 10:31 PM

No, the picture of the gold one you posted is a .44. Newer Desert Eagles have the caliber stamped on the forward left front of the barrel. Clearly visible on the example you provided.

When the Desert Eagle first came out, it didn’t have that marking. it also had a differently shaped safety and slide release. You have to have a really strong thumb to operate the slide release on the early Eagles. They also didn’t need the caliber stamp to identify them. It took a while for them to get the .44 ready for for market. And the .50 came much later. That makes the .357 the “daddy” Eagle.

Did I mention that early Eagles had a four digit serial number. IIRC, those are the rare good one’s.

cozmo on November 11, 2013 at 10:43 PM

cozmo on November 11, 2013 at 10:43 PM

Actually it is stamped with both calibers! Must be a photochop?

Has .50AE on the slide and .44 on the front like you said. weird.

Murphy9 on November 11, 2013 at 10:46 PM

Here’s one.

A classic name that gun gun

justltl on November 11, 2013 at 10:48 PM

Here’s one.

A classic name that gun gun

justltl on November 11, 2013 at 10:48 PM

Without looking it up, it is a .45 liberator? They were airdropped?

Murphy9 on November 11, 2013 at 10:50 PM

Murphy9 on November 11, 2013 at 10:46 PM

Slides are interchangeable. IIRC, the base of the .50AE is the same as .44.

The barrel is the way to tell what is going downrange. On the newer one’s anyway.

Not as familiar with the other calibers. I was very satisfied with the .357.

cozmo on November 11, 2013 at 10:51 PM

Murphy9 on November 11, 2013 at 10:50 PM

You don’t need to look it up. It is.

There was another attempt to make a similar gun during the Vietnam era. Cannot remember what it was called, but that one is really obscure.

Use that one as a “what is it”.

cozmo on November 11, 2013 at 10:53 PM

Without looking it up, it is a .45 liberator? They were airdropped?

Murphy9 on November 11, 2013 at 10:50 PM

Excellent.
Yes, it was dropped behind enemy lines to the Resistance in WW II.

Here’s another one:

You all might find interesting.

justltl on November 11, 2013 at 11:09 PM

There was another attempt to make a similar gun during the Vietnam era. Cannot remember what it was called, but that one is really obscure.

The CIA Deergun.

justltl on November 11, 2013 at 11:13 PM

Make that CIA Deer Gun.

justltl on November 11, 2013 at 11:14 PM

Excellent.
Yes, it was dropped behind enemy lines to the Resistance in WW II.

Here’s another one:

You all might find interesting.

justltl on November 11, 2013 at 11:09 PM

.30-40 Krag. Just drop the rounds in. Was a military rifle for 1 year?

Murphy9 on November 11, 2013 at 11:20 PM

.30-40 Krag. Just drop the rounds in. Was a military rifle for 1 year?

Murphy9 on November 11, 2013 at 11:20 PM

Very good!

9 years. Replaced by the M1903 Springfield.

justltl on November 11, 2013 at 11:25 PM

9 years in the U.S. Army, that is.

justltl on November 11, 2013 at 11:27 PM

Campus security entered this off campus apartment without a warrant and took the students’ guns. They haven’t returned them, so now the the students have reported it as theft to the Spokane police. Gun theft is a felony. Way to go Gonzaga.

juliesa on November 11, 2013 at 5:13 PM

This is interesting. I hope to hear that the “security guards” were arrested for theft. And the guys get their guns back.

cptacek on November 12, 2013 at 12:11 AM

I was a student at a major state university not too long ago, and at one point, desperate for extra money, I took a part-time job with campus security. Campus security is a joke. I was actually more worried about the campus security guys than I was about other kinds of criminals. It was a bunch of lug-heads who’s main interest was peering into girls’ dorm room windows. It’s all they talked about. Their attitude was that the girls were ‘sluts’ so they deserved it. The only real work they did was locking certain doors at certain hours. They never once expressed a concern about crime. I quit after two days.

WhatSlushfund on November 12, 2013 at 12:18 AM

Soooo… if I rent an apartment to someone, can I deny them the ability to fill out an absentee voting ballet? According to you, I can revoke any Constitutional law just because they are on my premises. Correct?

dominigan on November 11, 2013 at 6:36 PM

I don’t see why not. If you were a guest in my home, could I tell you that you can’t do something and, if you insisted on doing it anyway, ask you to leave? I think it’s pretty well accepted that I could. If so, then the rules that a property owner sets out for tenants should be no different. Oh, I know that legislation and the courts have said it’s different, but then again, legislation and the courts have said abortion is a Constitutionally protected right.

I trust the market, however, and I suspect that a landlord who put a clause into the lease that tenants cannot fill out absentee ballots would go out of business fairly quickly. I don’t see the need for government — and especially the federal government — to get involved in something that the market will sort out quite nicely on its own.

Sooo… if I own a plantation, I can fill it with slaves? The 13th Amendment only applies to slaves with respect to government when the slaves are on public property? Correct?

dominigan on November 11, 2013 at 6:39 PM

First of all, I specifically said the Bill of Rights applies to the government. Last I checked, the 13th amendment was not a part of the Bill of Rights. Of course there are provisions in the Constitution that are written to apply to the states or the general citizenry. The abolition of slavery is one of them. The Second Amendment is not. The Second Amendment applies specifically to federal government restrictions on gun rights.

Remember, rule of thumb for PROPERLY interpreting the Constitution is that no power of the federal government exists unless it is specifically delegated to it. The Constitution bans slavery and gives Congress the power to enforce that ban through legislation. Fair enough. But unless specifically mentioned in the Constitution, the federal government has no right what-so-ever to tell a private property owner what they can and can’t do with their property.

Shump on November 12, 2013 at 2:56 PM

Sounds like a good school to stay away from. Can you imagine what the agenda is? I can, and I would not recommend this place of higher education at all. They all seem to drift into the same mold where professors are teaching these young minds a warped way of life.

mixplix on November 12, 2013 at 6:43 PM