Vulnerable Democrats on getting HealthCare.Gov fixed: Tick tock, White House

posted at 12:01 pm on November 8, 2013 by Erika Johnsen

Certain Democratic senators, very much aware of the impact that ObamaCare’s ongoing problems and glitches could very well have on their reelection prospects in next year’s midterms, are willing to give the White House some time to iron everything out and get the website finally running at least somewhat smoothly before they start piling on with their own accusations, criticisms, and fixes — but not much.

They have campaign schedules to keep, after all, and if ObamaCare isn’t working like a charm by early 2014, the situation could eventually mean some Senate Democrats are going to have to look out for themselves, even if it’s at ObamaCare’s expense. So reports Politico:

At the pleading of senior White House officials, Senate Democrats are holding off on demands to delay major aspects of the health care law until the Obama administration has the opportunity to fix the website problems that are thwarting enrollment in the program. …

Sen. Chris Coons (D-Del.), who attended a tense two-hour meeting with President Barack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden on Wednesday over the issue, stressed that senators should give the administration just “a little bit” of breathing room. …

Already, Sen. Jeanne Shaheen (D-N.H.) is preparing legislation to extend the enrollment period beyond March 31, and Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-La.) has offered a bill to allow consumers to keep their existing coverage. Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) unveiled bipartisan legislation Thursday with Sen. Mark Kirk (R-Ill.) to delay for one year the penalties if consumers do not comply with the individual mandate. Unlike Shaheen and Landrieu, Manchin does not face reelection next year. …

One senior Senate Democratic aide predicted that no action on the law would be taken before the end of the year but added that all bets are off if the problems extend into 2014.

Oh, boy. Add it to the long list of reasons that the news that ObamaCare’s programmers are only discovering more and more glitches as they delve deeper through the entire HealthCare.Gov process was especially bleak for the White House.

Particularly after Virginia’s gubernatorial election on Tuesday night, Democrats want/need to start strategizing on their messaging going into the midterms — and throwing ObamaCare at least partially under the bus isn’t off the table for everyone.


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“If we can’t pivot off this by the new year, then we’re in trouble.”

Then you’re in trouble.

NotCoach on November 8, 2013 at 12:04 PM

“If we can’t pivot off this by the new year, then we’re in trouble.”

C’mon, Dems. You wanted this. Own it.

Bitter Clinger on November 8, 2013 at 12:05 PM

Quick, John Kerry, make a deal with Iran on nukes. Any deal is fine. Just do it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlNeQlOTiR8

stefano1 on November 8, 2013 at 12:05 PM

The terrorist seditionists are bleeding from the woodwork, who knew the demorat party held so many thugs.

Bishop on November 8, 2013 at 12:05 PM

They all need this coverage in DC.

Schadenfreude on November 8, 2013 at 12:05 PM

Quick, John Kerry, make a deal with Iran on nukes. Any deal is fine. Just do it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlNeQlOTiR8

stefano1 on November 8, 2013 at 12:05 PM

Obama, secretly lifted the sanctions, months ago. Yes, he can.

Kerry is the dummy who buys ice from the Eskimos, in the deep of winter.

Schadenfreude on November 8, 2013 at 12:06 PM

offer the iranians Obamacare. that will do it.

gerrym51 on November 8, 2013 at 12:07 PM

You know, the least these turds could do is lie and say how sorry they are for the havoc they’ve heaped onto American families.

antipc on November 8, 2013 at 12:08 PM

These imbeciles won’t even have a new font picked out by December.

Chuck Schick on November 8, 2013 at 12:11 PM

Next time, read the bill.

ElectricPhase on November 8, 2013 at 12:13 PM

John Eckdahl found a log of amounts spent on state exchange construction, being kept by Kaiser Family Foundation. He says California has spent $900 million dollars on its exchange, and Oregon $300 million.

If you add up all the amounts spent at the state level and add in the federal level spending and then compare the aggregate to the biggest private sector web development exercise, or maybe ALL private sector web site development since the dawn of the Internet, I wonder which amount would be larger.

We haven’t actually got to the real problems with ObamaCare, which is that 150 million people or so have had their private health insurance policies expropriated, with no clear idea what will replace those policies, no clear idea of what doctors or hospitals will be in network, or what reimbursements will look like and no idea at all how the issues will be resolved before kick-off on January 1.

MTF on November 8, 2013 at 12:13 PM

Yep, and their opponents will have to do what the National GOP refuses to do: Go after Obamacare.

melle1228 on November 8, 2013 at 12:13 PM

Too bad they are all on the record as having voted against providing these same fixes in 2010.

Not to mention most parroted Obama’s lies and were recorded doing so.

The low information voter becomes a highly desperate voter when you hit them in their wallets for a sum larger than their monthly mortgage payment.

You can’t run and you can’t hide from that.

Oh, and for that being a liar thing … I don’t know a woman in the world that will stand for any man that lies to them.

Good luck with that.

Carnac on November 8, 2013 at 12:14 PM

Particularly after Virginia’s gubernatorial election on Tuesday night, Democrats want/need to start strategizing on their messaging going into the midterms — and throwing ObamaCare at least partially under the bus isn’t off the table for everyone.

I thought the VA election was all about women and immigration?

Tater Salad on November 8, 2013 at 12:16 PM

Even if the website worked flawlessly ObamaCare itself is still fatally flawed. This is the raw truth that these Low Info Dem voters can’t seem (or refuse) to grasp.

visions on November 8, 2013 at 12:16 PM

…ObamaCare’s ongoing problems and glitches…

And this is saving their hides right now, imagine the soothing effects of being notified your premiums doubled, your deductible tripled and you have a new doctor in under 6 minutes once the ongoing problems and glitches are fixed. 2014 ought to be a romp or a come to Jesus for those of us that cling to normal order.

DanMan on November 8, 2013 at 12:17 PM

If they wait until the new year, it will be too late for throwing Zerocare under the bus to do them any good. As soon as the cancellation of all those policies is final Jan 1st, they will have waited too long to fix the problem. The stink will stay no matter what they do after that.

Dirty Creature on November 8, 2013 at 12:17 PM

The GOP should refrain from offering to help fix the boondoggle. Any attempt will surely result in more blamesharing/blameshifting by the Dems. The GOP just needs to take a page from Barry’s days in the Senate and vote present when those “fixes” come up.

raz0r on November 8, 2013 at 12:18 PM

Special Report last night mentioned that Mary Landrieu was hitchhiking to New Orleans with the lazy stupid coward on Air Force One but WOULD NOT be joining him for his Obamacare pep rally this afternoon. She supposedly has a prior engagement over in Lake Charles on the other side of the state.

Something tells me though that there is no way that she’d be seen on stage supporting Obamacare right now.

Happy Nomad on November 8, 2013 at 12:18 PM

-Sir, we fixed the website.

“Uh…could you break it again?”

Bishop on November 8, 2013 at 12:19 PM

We haven’t actually got to the real problems with ObamaCare, which is that 150 million people or so have had their private health insurance policies expropriated, with no clear idea what will replace those policies, no clear idea of what doctors or hospitals will be in network, or what reimbursements will look like and no idea at all how the issues will be resolved before kick-off on January 1.

MTF on November 8, 2013 at 12:13 PM

Other than that, things are great!!

BacaDog on November 8, 2013 at 12:20 PM

-Sir, we fixed the website.

“Uh…could you break it again?”

Bishop on November 8, 2013 at 12:19 PM

LOL

Your crystal ball is working perfectly.

ElectricPhase on November 8, 2013 at 12:22 PM

Each one of these now complaining dems 1) voted FOR obamacare back when it was originally passed in the Senate, 2) voted NO on a later Republican admendment to the bill that would have allowed everyone to keep their current plans and 3) voted not to DEFUND obamacare after Cruz’s recent “filibuster”…

Now that they’ve passed it, and America is reaping the benefits of their all consuming, all controlling socialistic legislation, these same dems want to be seen doing something to help their constituents in the run up to their 2014 campaigns for re-election…

Gohawgs on November 8, 2013 at 12:23 PM

Two ideas for RNC ads.

One, picture male/female with parody of male telling the female some of man’s favorite lines/lies … followed by Barry telling his you-can-keep-it-period lie.

Two, picture mother/son with parody of typical youth lie-telling with mother always responding “oh, mikey, you know that’s not true”.
Followed by Barry telling his you-can-keep-it-period lie.

Message:
Yes, ladies, Barry is just like any other deceitful man (or child) you have ever known.

Carnac on November 8, 2013 at 12:24 PM

Why aren’t Democrats celebrating their landmark achievement?

You know: the one that they crafted themSELVES; passed through Congress themSELVES; all the while, exempting themSELVES; That shining Congressional achievement that Nanners and Harry the Reptile Reid were so loudly trumpeting. For years.

You built it. OWN. It. Don’t ask Republicans to fix your mess.

orangemtl on November 8, 2013 at 12:24 PM

the situation could eventually mean some Senate Democrats are going to have to look out for themselves, even if it’s at ObamaCare’s expense.

67 Senators + 290 Representatives = FULL REPEAL and OVERRIDE Obama’s Veto

ITguy on November 8, 2013 at 12:24 PM

If it doesn’t work – and it won’t- let the Lying Sack in Chief figure out what to do next. No help, no bail out other than repeal.

Mason on November 8, 2013 at 12:24 PM

But, the State Run Media said this was the solution to all our problems? How could Prog Senators be in trouble..?

d1carter on November 8, 2013 at 12:26 PM

As soon as the cancellation of all those policies is final Jan 1st, they will have waited too long to fix the problem.

Dirty Creature on November 8, 2013 at 12:17 PM

The individual insurance market is unlike the group policy market in that these policies aren’t always tied to a Jan. 1st annual renewal.

They are staggered throughout the year based on when the policy was originally initiated.

In other words, this blood-letting is a slow leaker that will almost never stop.

Carnac on November 8, 2013 at 12:28 PM

We wuz my-zeld….!

d1carter on November 8, 2013 at 12:29 PM

I have no sympathy for you or our compulsive, narcissistic lying President. May you all be removed from office by the voters for what truly is malfeasance in office.

SC.Charlie on November 8, 2013 at 12:30 PM

We wuz my-zeld….!

d1carter on November 8, 2013 at 12:29 PM

Happening a lot lately…

CBS says it was ‘misled’ in Benghazi report

socalcon on November 8, 2013 at 12:31 PM

The GOP should refrain from offering to help fix the boondoggle.

raz0r on November 8, 2013 at 12:18 PM

That is where we are headed:
“It’s the Republicans fault. They won’t let us fix it.”

That very well could be where we are at one year from now.

And don’t be surprised if the voters buy that hook, line, and sinker.

Carnac on November 8, 2013 at 12:31 PM

The house needs to pass a ‘ last call bill’ that.declares it will be the last delay bill they take up so in January when the dems flip… We don’t get painted by the media as hypocrites. Then the vulnerable can stew in their failed juices

Bensonofben on November 8, 2013 at 12:32 PM

Bugs. Not glitches. Glitches happen when something works 99% of the time but then suddenly for a small group of people they don’t. Like if you’re playing a video game on the PC and you run into a specific part of the world and something non-normal happens. It doesn’t happen to anyone else, just you. That’s a glitch. These are full fledged bugs. Calling them glitches makes it seem less than it really is.

ConDem on November 8, 2013 at 12:33 PM

Obama is NOT a king. Congress doesn’t need his permission to change his signature failure, they just need to send the prick a bill. If these fools would stop putting their obeisance to Liberal ideology and Obama ahead of the public they wouldn’t be in such dire straits. It’s ridiculous that members of Congress elected by their constituents, not appointed by Obama, are terrified of showing some independence.

Notice that none if them want to change or repeal the bill. They just want to delay it past the elections. The GOP shouldn’t allow it. Let wreak its havoc and let the Democrats reap what they’ve sown.

The website not working is just the start of the problems with the ACA. If the Democrats think that it will be smooth sailing after it’s fixed, they’re delusional. Wait until next fall, just before elections, when employer sponsored plans start changing to adhere to Obamacare’s mandates.

The GOP should refuse to delay any negative impacts this Marxist monstrosity will cause. The Democrats own this 100%.

Charlemagne on November 8, 2013 at 12:33 PM

The individual insurance market is unlike the group policy market in that these policies aren’t always tied to a Jan. 1st annual renewal.

They are staggered throughout the year based on when the policy was originally initiated.

In other words, this blood-letting is a slow leaker that will almost never stop. – Carnac on November 8, 2013 at 12:28 PM

That may be the way it used to be. However, I am one of those five percent who buys my own insurance. I received a letter from my insurance company which said that I will be insured on January 1st …………………… if I can pay my premium. My usual renewal date is around August.

SC.Charlie on November 8, 2013 at 12:34 PM

Sebelius latest rule, that all health plans must have coverage for all mental illnesses, addictions, and such will aggravate the problem enormously. They are doubling down.

pat on November 8, 2013 at 12:35 PM

“If we can’t pivot off this by the new year, then we’re in trouble.”

The world continues to wait for the much vaunted pivot to jobs” so good luck with that.

LetsBfrank on November 8, 2013 at 12:37 PM

Note to these frightened wittle Dems:

You voted for this. You voted for this in the dead of night, by a dubious deem and pass parlamentary trick. You voted for this and walked with Nazi Pelousy in her purple suit with huge gavel to the Spitehouse and stood proudly next to your President while he signed it into law and you wore HUGE smiles on your faces. You REFUSED to even consider working with the Republicans on a delay causing YOUR PRESIDENT to shut down the government. You ridiculed Sen Mike Enzi who in 2010 predicted all of this, ALL of this. You lied about Obamacare along with your president every time you got on camera or a microphone was put in your face. You knew it was a mess while you were lying. YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR OBAMACARE. YOU OWN IT! The website isn’t as big of a problem as the law itself.

neyney on November 8, 2013 at 12:43 PM

One senior Senate Democratic aide predicted that no action on the law would be taken before the end of the year but added that all bets are off if the problems extend into 2014.

2014? I don’t even understand that line of thinking.
Anyone trying to ensure new coverage by the first of the year will want reliable information and access to a secure and functioning site by the beginning of December. Waiting until the new year to even begin to address this debacle will surely not go over well with those who are sitting on a cancelled policy.

lynncgb on November 8, 2013 at 12:43 PM

Wrong thread but similar nature. My 13 year old daughter told me last year before the election that she was uncomfortable talking politics at school because she was the only anti Obama student in any of her class or social circle. They did a poll in her social science class yesterday and Obamas approval number was upside down 3-26. It made her giddy.

Bensonofben on November 8, 2013 at 12:44 PM

That is where we are headed:
“It’s the Republicans fault. They won’t let us fix it.”

That very well could be where we are at one year from now.

And don’t be surprised if the voters buy that hook, line, and sinker.

Carnac on November 8, 2013 at 12:31 PM

Then they should get ahead of it. Some Republicans should be for fixing it one way, some should be for fixing it another. Make a big show of trying to come to a consensus of fixing it. Include Dems, but put the spot light on what the Republicans are doing to try to fix the problem. After months and months of this and not quite agreeing. Do this all next year while people are hurting from the huge premiums and deductibles. Then, right around September, all Republicans should agree that the best thing to do is start over with THIS plan. Show the good common sense reforms we’ve always wanted. Then say the only way we can do these things is to repeal Obamacare. And the maybe we’ll get the turnover in Congress we need to get a repeal to Obama. Then we’ll see exactly what he’s made of. It may seem dirty, but it’s how you’re going to have to play the game.

ConDem on November 8, 2013 at 12:45 PM

Remember, the difference between HillaryCare and ObamaCare is that the Democrats have him this time. Hahahahahaha!

If they think a few software fixes are going to fix ObamaCare then they are in for a rude surprise.

jnelchef on November 8, 2013 at 12:47 PM

Bugs. Not glitches… Calling them glitches makes it seem less than it really is.

ConDem on November 8, 2013 at 12:33 PM

Fubarses.

Tsar of Earth on November 8, 2013 at 12:51 PM

I received this via email:

Dear [ITguy]

Your Aetna health plan coverage is ending on 12/31/13 because of the Affordable Care Act (ACA), also known as Obamacare. As of 11/05/13 our records show you have not picked a new Aetna plan. We sent you a letter telling you about other plan options. This includes an option to buy a plan similar to the one you have now. This new plan would go into effect December, 2013. The deadline to enroll in the December plan is quickly approaching – November 25, 2013!

Why Buy a December 2013 Aetna Plan?

* 2013 plans may cost less than some of the new 2014 ACA plans. 2013 plans may not include all mandated 2014 ACA benefits – ones you may not even need.

* Coverage is guaranteed for 12 months.

* Keep your current in-network doctor, specialists and hospitals. This network may be larger than the network available to 2014 ACA plans.

Make sure you do not have a gap in health plan coverage.
Go to https://HealthInsurance.Aetna.com to review options and enroll in a December 2013 Aetna plan. But you must enroll by November 25th, so don’t wait!

If you prefer, you can buy a 2014 Aetna ACA plan. This plan will be effective January 1, 2014. Make sure you start the New Year with health coverage — respond today!

Due to several medical expenses in my family this year, we’ve met our deductible for 2013 under our current plan.

Buying a new plan starting in December means that our deductible would start all over… any expenses in December would go towards our new deductible under the new plan, rather than having already met our deductible with our current plan.

Unfortunately, I don’t have handy the letter that was sent in the mail to me. I do remember that the December 2013 plan premium was several hundred dollars more per month than I am currently paying, and the ACA plan premium was more than double what I am currently paying. Again, I wish had the numbers in front of me right now to share with you all, but I don’t.

I thought this was worth posting especially regarding the differences between the December 2013 Aetna plan and the 2014 ACA plan (the one that Obama refers to as “better”, becuase he said so):

“mandated 2014 ACA benefits – ones you may not even need.”

“Keep your current in-network doctor, specialists and hospitals. This network may be larger than the network available to 2014 ACA plans.”

I.E., the ACA network may be smaller than your current network, and may not let you “keep your doctor”.

ITguy on November 8, 2013 at 12:52 PM

obama has destroyed his party and their ideals.

He cares NOT who goes under the bus.

It couldn’t happen to a bigger bunch of morons.

If you soar with turkeys you drop like them.

Schadenfreude on November 8, 2013 at 12:54 PM

The Donks hear clucking all around them, and it’s striking fear into their souls. Must be all those chickens coming home to roost. Burn, baby, burn.

HiJack on November 8, 2013 at 12:57 PM

Fubarses.

Tsar of Earth on November 8, 2013 at 12:51 PM

Hah! Probably even more accurate than bugs.

Healthcare.gov reminds me of Moria. (Tolkien alert!) All of the goblins/orcs are the bugs. And PPACA is the Balrog. We need a Gandalf.

ConDem on November 8, 2013 at 12:57 PM

Note the silence of the lambs trolls.

Schadenfreude on November 8, 2013 at 1:00 PM

It’s like Democrats aren’t exalting about how great they are doing with a victory in VA against a candidate who ran one of the worst campaigns I can remember, and won against him by about 3% in a nail-biter. I mean, hey a win is a win, isn’t it? It’s not like sending in tons of cash to smear someone, flooding the zone with lies and all the rest that went on, against an opponent who couldn’t figure out how to run a campaign and winning by about 3% isn’t really giving warm-fuzzies to the Democrats.

Oh, yeah, the flooding the zone deal for delegates didn’t do them any good. Like if you run a competent campaign you can’t be brought down by a tidal wave of smears.

Hmmm… they might even be thinking there is a lesson in that…

Naw! Must just be breakfast not sitting well with them. A spot of Obamacitis.

ajacksonian on November 8, 2013 at 1:00 PM

Hahahahahaha!

‘pubs better not think of helping them delay or allow exceptions. Make them eat this sandwich and make sure everyone knows not a single ‘pub voted for 0crapcare.

freedomfirst on November 8, 2013 at 1:02 PM

Particularly after Virginia’s gubernatorial election on Tuesday night, Democrats want/need to start strategizing on their messaging going into the midterms — and throwing ObamaCare at least partially under the bus isn’t off the table for everyone.

The problem with this approach is that ‘…throwing ObamaCare at least partially under the bus…’ isn’t going to really help those Democrats facing the electorate November 4, 2014.

The premium / cost death spiral that is just starting (see the post re healthy uninsured not going to the exchanges) and that shoe will just keep getting bigger as it drops.

Then there is the delayed employer mandate that will start making itself felt just before the election. Those with plans via their employers are going to find their plans either being cancelled or premiums skyrocketing or both. Companies are going to have to decide how much of the added costs they are going to eat and how much will get passed on to the employee.

Finally, there are going to be a lot more information and data on just how much this clusterfark is going to cost the government – not CBO projections, but hard numbers that will show that the CBO grossly underestimated the real cost to the taxpayer.

‘Partially under the bus’ isn’t going to fix something that was developed and passed, not for really ‘fixing’ the challenges in the healthcare industry, but for fulfilling an ideological dream and vision. The only fix is to put this mad down and start over again with a goal on really trying to fix the challenges not achieve an ideological bullet point.

Athos on November 8, 2013 at 1:07 PM

Next time, read the bill.

ElectricPhase on November 8, 2013 at 12:13 PM

I like this comment the best.

lea on November 8, 2013 at 1:17 PM

Tick tick tick tick tick tick tick BOOM!

thebrokenrattle on November 8, 2013 at 1:18 PM

Democrats want/need to start strategizing on their messaging going into the midterms

The only solution to the Dems problem is ObamaCare working and working well.

If it doesn’t, if people are losing their health insurance or paying vastly greater premiums for the same or worse coverage, then messaging ain’t going to help.

You can’t spin your way out of this one, Dems.

PackerBronco on November 8, 2013 at 1:20 PM

I wish someone would point out the self-serving attitude that dems have to get this thing patched and limping along in some ham-handed way until the polls close November 4, 2014. One minute later, it can all collapse because they think they will have won their re-election. That is all that matters to them.

kurtzz3 on November 8, 2013 at 1:31 PM

Who’t in that picture? The Congressional Dingbat Caucus?

Ward Cleaver on November 8, 2013 at 1:41 PM

Obama to nervous Dem senators:
“I WON – It sucks to be you, doesn’t it?”

Marcola on November 8, 2013 at 1:53 PM

Here is a link to the current status of the U.S. Senate races that are up for election in 2014:

http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/articles/category/2014-senate/

Take a look at the list to see which Democrat incumbents are vulnerable.

Then decide which candidates you want to support and start helping them any way you can.

2014 Primary Elections begin in early March which is only 4 months away.

Clean the House and the Senate in 2014!

wren on November 8, 2013 at 1:57 PM

Next time, read the bill.
ElectricPhase on November 8, 2013 at 12:13 PM
I like this comment the best.
lea on November 8, 2013 at 1:17 PM

And if the bill is too hard to understand, or contains too many fuzzy-wuzzy “THE SECRETARY SHALL DETERMINE” clauses, DO NOT VOTE IN FAVOR. IF YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT IT’S GOING TO DO, DON’T VOTE FOR IT.

Just think how that would “fundamentally transform” Washington. If our elected reps and sens voted that way, 99% of what’s flowing through Congress right now would not pass.

Marcola on November 8, 2013 at 1:58 PM

Guess those idiot’s have forgotten that the ‘employer mandate’ exemption will expire at the end of 2014. Given that insurers are required to give a 60/90 day notice of any changes; those notices will be coming out BEFORE the 2014 midterms.

King Barack can fix ObamaCare eventually (throwing enough money at it) – but it won’t make those workers happy who suddenly find themselves without employer insurance.

GarandFan on November 8, 2013 at 2:06 PM

I’m not shedding tears for these pos dems. They sit in their fancy offices in DC and let their aides do the jobs we sent them to do. Claiming ‘we didn’t know’ if not an option. Next time read the damn bill before you vote. Now that you’ve found out the bystander in chief lied to you too, what are you going to do about it. There’s a cancer patient in S. Carolina waiting for nature to take it’s course because he lost his insurance and can’t afford the new super duper policy from the insurance commissioner in chief. He’s like this fixed before it’s too late.

Kissmygrits on November 8, 2013 at 2:10 PM

Working in Delaware, Coons really has nothing to worry about. See, he was elected in 2010 after the ObamaCare law was signed. He took over for Ted Kaufman, who replaced Joe Biden in the Senate.
So, his fears don’t match up to the other Senators who voted for this bill. And you can bet Coons will distance himself from ObamaCare, given the fact that only 4 people in the state signed up for coverage. And he will remind people that he wasn’t around when it was passed.

djaymick on November 8, 2013 at 2:12 PM

Hey Dems, maybe you should have read it before voting for it.

sadatoni on November 8, 2013 at 2:13 PM

The vulnerable democrats just don’t get it. Changing ANYTHING about Obamacare at this point would be an admission that the republicans were right to shut down the government to try to force a delay to Obamacare. If these sorry lib carcassas must be sacrificed to avoid that admission, so be it.

olesparkie on November 8, 2013 at 2:19 PM

You mean they are going to campaign on “I never read the bill before I signed it”?

Try temporary insanity. That’s less offensive.

PattyJ on November 8, 2013 at 2:35 PM

The GOP should refrain from offering to help fix the boondoggle.

raz0r on November 8, 2013 at 12:18 PM

I don’t think that’s good strategy. After the Republicans were hammered by the MSM and Democrats (sorry for the redundancy) for shutting down the government to “deny people health insurance”, why oppose something now that they tried to do in early October?

The people who have received cancellation notices will lose their insurance on December 31. If some Senate Democrats are willing to pass a bill that would “re-grandfather” all individual policies in effect as of (for example) September 30, 2013 through 2014, Republicans should support it, and get it passed through both houses of Congress sometime in December. If the website is really fixed by November 30, more people will get “sticker shock” in December, and Republicans will be credited with saving their health insurance for another year, and will be able to crow about “we told you so back in October”.

Then, in January when the Continuing Resolution comes back up for a vote, Republicans can then inform the American people that what happened for individuals in late 2013 will be multiplied by 10 or so when the employer mandate kicks in, and attach a delay of the employer mandate (past January 1, 2015) to a CR to fund the government for an equal amount of time past January 15, 2014. Democrats up for re-election in 2014 won’t want to be painted as inflicting on 100 million-plus people what 15 million have already been afraid of, and might just cave. Then Republicans can campaign on “give us a Senate majority, we’ll repeal Obamacare once and for all, and you can keep your health insurance.”

Steve Z on November 8, 2013 at 2:47 PM

Particularly after Virginia’s gubernatorial election on Tuesday night, Democrats want/need to start strategizing on their messaging going into the midterms — and throwing ObamaCare at least partially under the bus isn’t off the table for everyone.

Minimum wage! War on Women! Extremists! 1%ers! Obstructionists!

All headed to a TV screen near you shortly. Over and over and over and over again. Until you’re sick of it.

But there’s an election to be won!!

There Goes the Neighborhood on November 8, 2013 at 3:33 PM

If you soar with turkeys you drop like them.

Schadenfreude on November 8, 2013 at 12:54 PM

I swear to God that I thought turkeys could fly!
Les “Barak” Nessman

lfwest on November 8, 2013 at 3:37 PM

Steve Z on November 8, 2013 at 2:47 PM

I didn’t write that the GOP should oppose the ACA. What I wrote was not to get involved other than voting present. There’s a difference between the two. I don’t think the GOP should oppose any of it, rather they should sit back and watch the train wreck while holding signs saying “Told you so!”

And why should the GOP get “blood” on their hands by helping the Dems “re-grandfather” plans that more than likely will be cancelled a year later? A year later then, Dems will point and blame the GOP for those plans being cancelled. I’d rather see the GOP start informing the electorate that what they’re witnessing now will come their way a year from now when the employer mandate kicks in, and instead of several million cancellations, the nation will witness a hundred million cancellations. Follow it up with the only way to “fix” it is full repeal and that requires a great many Dems being pink slipped at the ballot box.

We both agree the ACA should be repealed, I just don’t think the GOP needs to do anything other than watch as the people bear witness to the “firepower of this fully armed and operational” law. Then point them to the emperor with no clothes, by whom the law derived its name.

raz0r on November 8, 2013 at 3:42 PM

…they like the word ‘PIVOT’!

KOOLAID2 on November 8, 2013 at 9:09 PM