Video: I have “serious doubts” that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone, says … the U.S. secretary of state

posted at 4:01 pm on November 8, 2013 by Allahpundit

I did not expect to find a conspiracy theorist within a presidential cabinet, but if you’re a liberal Democrat from Massachusetts with the initials “JFK,” maybe you’re obliged to believe that the truth behind Kennedy’s murder must be more epic than a lone nut picking him off from a window. In fairness to Kerry, this is the mildest, most benign theory of a “conspiracy” about the assassination that one can hold. He’s not claiming Oswald was a patsy; he’s not claiming there were other shooters; he’s certainly not claiming that American agents were involved. The conspiracy he’s talking about is the possibility of clandestine Russian/Cuban support for Oswald — and even there he’s cagey, mumbling about Oswald maybe having been “inspired” by someone or something at some point. Obvious question: If the Soviets were going to risk a world war by killing the president, wouldn’t they have preferred to recruit an American assassin who, er, hadn’t defected to the USSR a few years before? That’s an invitation for people to blame them, whether they had anything to do with it or not. And if they did recruit Oswald, why would they have authorized him to risk capture or death before the attempt could occur by having him try to kill Gen. Walker earlier that year? Spitballing theories about the Kennedy assassination is a national pastime, but maybe you don’t get to participate in that pastime if you’re … the chief diplomat of the United States, tasked with dealing with Russia and Cuba.

On the bright side, Kerry’s theory is admirably free of the Orwellian tendency among some on the left to blame the right for JFK’s death. And he is, to be sure, very much within the mainstream in doubting “the official story.”

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As of 2003, 68 percent of Americans believed there was a cover-up to hide the truth of the assassination. The public’s gotten more credulous over the last decade, but only relatively: Today, 59 percent say they believe there was a conspiracy to kill Kennedy versus 75 percent a decade ago. With Boomers dying off in greater numbers, figure it’ll finally drop below 50 circa 2025.

In honor of a slow news Friday afternoon, feel free to use this thread to hash out all your JFK-assassination disagreements. If it finishes with fewer than a thousand comments, I’ll regard it as a personal defeat. Click the image to watch.

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Yeah, I trust this guy to negotiate with the Iranians.

Mark1971 on November 8, 2013 at 4:03 PM

Bah! Oswald acted alone. He was a Marxist loser who was at the right place at the right time.

rickv404 on November 8, 2013 at 4:05 PM

Kerry in Geneva, aka

The Man who buys ice from the Eskimos, in winter.

Schadenfreude on November 8, 2013 at 4:05 PM

A step uncle of mine was a police officer in Dallas back in the 60′s and was on duty as part of the security detail for JFK’s drive that fateful day. My uncle was the FIRST officer in the building and has continually and emphatically stated that Oswald was the ONLY person in that building.

Logus on November 8, 2013 at 4:06 PM

John Kerry is an idiot

workingclass artist on November 8, 2013 at 4:06 PM

In a blind taste test, Hunts was best.

d1carter on November 8, 2013 at 4:06 PM

Next Kerry will say 9/11 was an inside job?

workingclass artist on November 8, 2013 at 4:07 PM

That’s right Occupiers & Lefties: Kennedy was shot by one of your own.

SAMinVA on November 8, 2013 at 4:07 PM

There were more communists involved?

gwelf on November 8, 2013 at 4:08 PM

This is Kerry’s biggest scoop since he found Bush’s lumber company.

Mark1971 on November 8, 2013 at 4:08 PM

Well, at least he’s not questioning whether fire melts steel…yet.

changer1701 on November 8, 2013 at 4:09 PM

Nice to see Kerry addressing the most pressing issues of the day.

Bitter Clinger on November 8, 2013 at 4:09 PM

I have always felt that any conspiracy Oswald was part of would have insisted he use something besides the piece-of-crap rifle and twenty-year-old-ammunition he did use. Mechanical reliability aside, there’s such a thing as style.

PersonFromPorlock on November 8, 2013 at 4:10 PM

Squirrel!

Dog Whistle!

Shiny Object!

Janet Jackson’s Boob!

Magic Bullet!

BobMbx on November 8, 2013 at 4:10 PM

kerry might be aware of how his KGB handlers were involved

reliapundit on November 8, 2013 at 4:12 PM

I ACCUSE Mr. Trafficante in the book depository with the candlestick.

tommylotto on November 8, 2013 at 4:12 PM

A step uncle of mine was a police officer in Dallas back in the 60′s and was on duty as part of the security detail for JFK’s drive that fateful day. My uncle was the FIRST officer in the building and has continually and emphatically stated that Oswald was the ONLY person in that building.

Logus on November 8, 2013 at 4:06 PM

That’s fine. The argument is that at least one shot came from the front, either from a sewer or the Grassy Knoll.

That said, Oswald was still a commie and Kerry is still a nitwit.

vityas on November 8, 2013 at 4:13 PM

Of course Kerry gets to see first hand how badly a whole group of marxist losers operate so he probably figures there’s no way just one of them could have actually succeeded.

Flange on November 8, 2013 at 4:14 PM

As of 2003, 68 percent of Americans believed there was a cover-up to hide the truth of the assassination.

Just because there’s a cover-up doesn’t mean the act itself was a conspiracy. Remember Scooter Libby? Some folks just don’t like other people poking around certain places, even when they’re no grand conspiracy to hide.

calbear on November 8, 2013 at 4:14 PM

maybe you don’t get to participate in that pastime if you’re … the chief diplomat of the United States, tasked with dealing with Russia and Cuba.

But this is intentional. Vlad showed up Barry at recess, so Barry has one of his li’l friends spread rumors about Vlad’s family.

They had meetings about this, hashed out the pros and cons, got it green lighted by Jarrett, now they’re polling it. Take that to the bank.

Akzed on November 8, 2013 at 4:14 PM

I have “serious doubts” that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone, says … the U.S. secretary of state

Who doesnt believe that there were/are some other commies or mobsters who were in on it?

Valkyriepundit on November 8, 2013 at 4:14 PM

Can’t help idiots who HAVE TO BELIEVE that the course of history can be changed by ONE nutcase.

GarandFan on November 8, 2013 at 4:17 PM

If there was a rifleman on the grassy knoll, where’s the rifle? Or did he just stroll away with it on his shoulder?

LHO’s accomplishment has been duplicated more than once, and the magic bullet’s has too.

Akzed on November 8, 2013 at 4:18 PM

In honor of a slow news Friday afternoon, feel free to use this thread to hash out all your JFK-assassination disagreements. If it finishes with fewer than a thousand comments, I’ll regard it as a personal defeat.

And there’ll be a few takers on this, er, challenge.

Bitter Clinger on November 8, 2013 at 4:19 PM

If you go to Dallas, you can visit the Sixth Floor museum in the Texas Schoolbook Depository building. It’s been 20 years since I was there, but if I remember correctly, while you can’t get in the actual window that Oswald used, you can go to the next window and get a good look at the spot where Kennedy was killed. Oswald had an easy shot at Kennedy from that window. It’s unsatisfying to think that a loser like Oswald could bring down the President, but John Hinckley damned near did the same thing to Reagan, just as Squeaky Fromme and Sara Jane Moore nearly got Ford. It was a different time.

Mr. D on November 8, 2013 at 4:19 PM

Can’t help idiots who HAVE TO BELIEVE that the course of history can be changed by ONE nutcase. GarandFan on November 8, 2013 at 4:17 PM

Like John Wilkes Booth? Gavrilo Princep?

Akzed on November 8, 2013 at 4:22 PM

The Tea Party’s first crime.

Little Boomer on November 8, 2013 at 4:23 PM

I’ll give him a break on this, I guess. Almost the whole country seems to think there was some sort of conspiracy.

Doomberg on November 8, 2013 at 4:24 PM

The progressives/liberals cannot and will not accept or acknowledge the fact that a rabid left wing political activist named Lee Harvey Oswald fired a bullet into the brain of John F. Kennedy. It had to be a right wing conspiracy or it had to be the environment of hatred that drove Oswald to kill .

In fact, it was neither. Oswald’s motives were politics and opportunity . Before Kennedy had ever planned a visit to Dallas Oswald had already renounced his US citizenship and defected to Russia . He had already been arrested while distributing pro-Castro pamphlets. He had already attempted to assassinate right wing John Bircher Gen Edwin Walker. Oswald’s credentials as a rabid and violent left wing Marxist punk were already solidly established . Imagine his surprise and delight when he read in the newspaper that the presidential limo would be rolling right beneath his building in three days. At lunchtime, no less.

Oswald was progressives progressive.

DeweyWins on November 8, 2013 at 4:24 PM

The only plausible conspiracy theory to me is that it was a mob hit because Bobby was going after them, and that Jack Ruby (who had mob ties) was ordered to silence Oswald. Ruby was already ill so a couple of years in the slammer and then death wasn’t the worst.

Either that or it was due to a spat between the Trilateral Commission and the Bilderbergers. . .

rbj on November 8, 2013 at 4:25 PM

For once I agree with Lurch. But Oswald was just a patsy, just like he said. And a few days later he was dead.

Axion on November 8, 2013 at 4:26 PM

Hey Lurch Kerry, it was the mob, not the Ruskies or Cubanos.

Tale your pick of the usual suspects:

Exhibit A: Carlos Marcello
Exhibit B: Santo Trafficante Jr.
Exhibit C: Sam Giancana
Exhibit D: Jimmy Hoffa
Exhibit E: All of the above

timberline on November 8, 2013 at 4:26 PM

Okay, I officially weep for the loss of our country now.

cozmo on November 8, 2013 at 4:26 PM

People are OBSESSED with a man who was President for what? Less than two years. Who the he!! cares. He is dead along with the Democratic Party that he represented.

melle1228 on November 8, 2013 at 4:27 PM

The only plausible conspiracy theory to me is that it was a mob hit because Bobby was going after them, and that Jack Ruby (who had mob ties) was ordered to silence Oswald. Ruby was already ill so a couple of years in the slammer and then death wasn’t the worst.

Either that or it was due to a spat between the Trilateral Commission and the Bilderbergers. . .

rbj on November 8, 2013 at 4:25 PM

There is some new theory now that after the first shot, a secret service member had a misfire and that was the bullet that killed JFK.

melle1228 on November 8, 2013 at 4:28 PM

He and his utterly incompetent boss are f***ing up our entire foreign policy and Middle East policy in particular, they are giving the islamic terrorist regime in Iran everything they wanted and the 7th century mullahs are not giving anything meaningful in return, they are making our allies distrust us like never before and our enemies not fear us at all, they are giving Russia, a third world paper tiger, much more power than they can ever dream to achieve on their own, but yet he has time for conspiracy theories about JFK assassination…

mnjg on November 8, 2013 at 4:29 PM

Mr. D on November 8, 2013 at 4:19 PM

You didn’t mention the rabbit. Or was he sponsored by right wing radicals?

Thankfully the conspiracy nut cases agreeing with Kerry don’t hold positions of power.

cozmo on November 8, 2013 at 4:29 PM

wasn’t there an article about some audio tapes of Jackie O claiming that Johnson along with his friends in Texas were the masterminds of the plot?

equanimous on November 8, 2013 at 4:30 PM

I wonder what rate of correct response you would get if you asked people what country Oswald defected to, and even used the word “defected,” and counted any Communist country as a correct answer. 8%?

If you asked whether Oswald was affiliated with the political Right or Left? I say 68% Right.

Of course, according to the official truth, there was only one shooter: “hate.”

God bless our education system and the mythologizing baby boomers who run it.

HitNRun on November 8, 2013 at 4:30 PM

Jengis Khan told him.

Mitoch55 on November 8, 2013 at 4:31 PM

LHO’s accomplishment has been duplicated more than once, and the magic bullet’s has too.

Akzed on November 8, 2013 at 4:18 PM

There’s a huge problem with the “Magic Bullet”.

The bullet found on the gurney is described as “pristine” with the exception of rifling marks. Its weight is exactly as it was the day it was manufactured (meaning it meets its design spec).

The problem is this….there are chunks of the bullet still in Connallys’ arm and torso. The bullet found on the gurney (the magic bullet) can’t be the one that passed through Kennedy, the front seat, and Connally.

BobMbx on November 8, 2013 at 4:32 PM

If there was a rifleman on the grassy knoll, where’s the rifle? Or did he just stroll away with it on his shoulder?

LHO’s accomplishment has been duplicated more than once, and the magic bullet’s has too.

Akzed on November 8, 2013 at 4:18 PM

Just to play along, there were three “tramps” in the railroad area beyond the Grassy Knoll. E. Howard Hunt (later famous for the Watergate break-in) was supposed to be one of them. Read his bio. The 18 months around the assassination are completely missing from his timeline. So yes, if the CIA was involved, the second shooter would have been easily able to walk away with the rifle.

Jack Ruby swore he was never in Cuba. I met a former CIA officer who was in Cuba in the late 50s and swore he was completely aware of Ruby’s presence in the country.

vityas on November 8, 2013 at 4:32 PM

The only plausible conspiracy theory to me is that it was a mob hit because Bobby was going after them, and that Jack Ruby (who had mob ties) was ordered to silence Oswald. Ruby was already ill so a couple of years in the slammer and then death wasn’t the worst. rbj on November 8, 2013 at 4:25 PM

Ruby went to Western Union to wire $25 to the sister of one of his stripper employees. When he left on foot he noticed a commotion at police HQ, and walked down the ramp to the garage. When he got to the bottom, Oswald was being brought out of the building.

Oswald would have left the building two or three minutes earlier, but due to the crowd of reporters and onlookers in the garage, a path had to be cleared for the car, a police captain’s personal vehicle. Had the Dallas PD engaged in some crowd control in the garage, Oswald would have been gone before Ruby walked in.

Had Ruby gone there to kill Oswald, he would hardly have wasted time wiring money to a stripper’s sister.

Akzed on November 8, 2013 at 4:32 PM

Pretty sure I know where Secretary Kerry came up with his brilliant theory.

DarthBrooks on November 8, 2013 at 4:33 PM

Oh, and we can’t discount the “back and to the left….back, and to the left” version of events.

BobMbx on November 8, 2013 at 4:34 PM

There is some small indication that LHO may have made the Cubans aware of his plans but none that they gave him any support or even encouragement.

And this?

My uncle was the FIRST officer in the building and has continually and emphatically stated that Oswald was the ONLY person in that building.

Logus on November 8, 2013 at 4:06 PM

This is just completely and utterly incorrect. What of Bonnie Ray Williams, Harold Norman and James Jarman Jr. photographed in the 5th floor window? Aren’t they “in that building”?

JohnBrown on November 8, 2013 at 4:36 PM

God bless our education system and the mythologizing baby boomers who run it. HitNRun on November 8, 2013 at 4:30 PM

Akzed on November 8, 2013 at 4:36 PM

Jengis Caan did it.

rjoco1 on November 8, 2013 at 4:36 PM

never bought into the conspiracy angle, have always wondered about a possible info coverup (not the same thing) though. And honestly I think its NOT something that happened, just one of those things you ponder over every now and again when bored.
Have always wondered if someone knew (not actually involved) it was going to happen and kept silent on it.
does it matter? no I don’t think so. oswald did it and its all on him.

dmacleo on November 8, 2013 at 4:37 PM

The conspiracy he’s talking about is the possibility of clandestine Russian/Cuban support for Oswald

Which Oswald – the pro-Castro one or the one who offered to assist with paramilitary training for the Directorio Revolucionario Estudiantil which sought to overthrow Castro?

Or maybe this Oswald who turned up in Mexico City, whom the CIA once claimed was Oswald?

whatcat on November 8, 2013 at 4:38 PM

Stop! Just stop. Enough with yearly re-hash.

katy the mean old lady on November 8, 2013 at 4:39 PM

How do I put this delicately… No one cares what John Kerry thinks.

sadatoni on November 8, 2013 at 4:39 PM

BobMbx on November 8, 2013 at 4:32 PM

It was deformed, caved in on one side. And fully jacketed. I don’t know about pieces of it remaining in Connolly. Not saying you’re wrong, that’s just the first I heard of it.

Akzed on November 8, 2013 at 4:40 PM

WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE???? :-)

behiker on November 8, 2013 at 4:40 PM

This will not endear me to my fellow Hot Arians, but Oswald was indeed a patsy, and it was indeed a conspiracy carried out by Cold War hawks in various defense agencies. It’s more or less historical fact now. At this point, we pretty much know who was involved – Allen Dulles, Howard Hunt, et al — even if the actual shooters’ names might be debatable.

‘JFK’ is one of my favorite movies, and basically gets it right. (Yeah, I know, I hate Oliver Stone as much as anyone, but he did get this one right.) The book it’s based on, Crossfire, is even better. Unlike many, however, the reason I like the film is not because I think the conspiracy was evil, but because it depicts a time back in the day when the Right/defense community could actually do things competently. Today, the CIA, for example, is a joke, completely infiltrated by Muslims, and otherwise staffed by mindless careerist bureaucrats sitting on their butts collecting paychecks paid for by the people they’re supposed to be protecting but aren’t.

I wish it was 1963 again. We wouldn’t be in this mess. Those guys took care of business.

WhatSlushfund on November 8, 2013 at 4:40 PM

wasn’t there an article about some audio tapes of Jackie O claiming that Johnson along with his friends in Texas were the masterminds of the plot?

equanimous on November 8, 2013 at 4:30 PM

…and also there is that picture of Congressman Albert Thomas’s famous wink to LBJ during the swearing in on Air Force One.

equanimous on November 8, 2013 at 4:40 PM

I know what happened, Kerry has a stronger arm than he thought and when he tossed his medals over the WH Gate they flew so far they hit Kennedy at the same time oswald fired.

dmacleo on November 8, 2013 at 4:41 PM

Who killed Mary Jo Kopechne, you Horsefaced Boy, huh, who?

Bishop on November 8, 2013 at 4:41 PM

Dear conspiracy theorists nutballs:

-Oswald acted alone
-The moon landings weren’t faked
-The Columbia did not have proof of UFO’s

There is this thing about secrets being too big to keep.

The JFK assassination is one of them.

cozmo on November 8, 2013 at 4:41 PM

if the CIA was involved, the second shooter would have been easily able to walk away with the rifle.

So the CIA has disappearing rifles?

Jack Ruby swore he was never in Cuba. I met a former CIA officer who was in Cuba in the late 50s and swore he was completely aware of Ruby’s presence in the country. vityas on November 8, 2013 at 4:32 PM

He was also, I’ve read, involved in the Communist Youth League in Chicago (or whatever it was called).

Proves nothing.

Akzed on November 8, 2013 at 4:42 PM

Chief Babbling Horseface: “I have serious doubts … blah, blah blah …”

Pork-Chop on November 8, 2013 at 4:42 PM

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katy the mean old lady on November 8, 2013 at 4:42 PM

Just to play along, there were three “tramps” in the railroad area beyond the Grassy Knoll. E. Howard Hunt (later famous for the Watergate break-in) was supposed to be one of them. Read his bio.
vityas on November 8, 2013 at 4:32 PM

There’s also the person behind the fence who flashed a badge to a Dallas policeman, claiming to be a Federal agent and the cop let him go. Problem is, there were no SS or other Fed agents in the area.

whatcat on November 8, 2013 at 4:43 PM

It’s more or less historical fact now. At this point, we pretty much know who was involved – Allen Dulles, Howard Hunt, et al — even if the actual shooters’ names might be debatable.

WhatSlushfund on November 8, 2013 at 4:40 PM

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cozmo on November 8, 2013 at 4:44 PM

Enough with yearly re-hash.
katy the mean old lady on November 8, 2013 at 4:39 PM

Actually, it a “gold anniversary” rehashing. Some of is are old enough to remember that day quite well. But it’s something that Kerry should shut up about unless he has some info to officially release.

whatcat on November 8, 2013 at 4:48 PM

The only plausible conspiracy theory to me is that it was a mob hit because Bobby was going after them, and that Jack Ruby (who had mob ties) was ordered to silence Oswald. Ruby was already ill so a couple of years in the slammer and then death wasn’t the worst.

Either that or it was due to a spat between the Trilateral Commission and the Bilderbergers. . .

rbj on November 8, 2013 at 4:25 PM

I was a sophomore in high school when Kennedy was killed. For years, I wondered why would anyone finger the mob for the hit. If the mob was pissed at Bobby, they would have taken out Bobby. Then I read a book about the Kennedy clan, and the light went on. Rose Kennedy was a Fitzgerald, and the Fitzgerald clan controlled the docks and building industry of Boston, just like the mob controls the docks and building industry of NYC. Bobby and John weren’t just going after the mob — they were wiping out the competition. Taking out Bobby wouldn’t get the message out nearly as loudly as killing JFK would have.

My personal theory is that the Feds muddled and obfuscated because they were terrified that Comrade Fidel had had it up to his eyeballs with JFK and his meddling in Cuban affairs. If the assassination was laid at Comrade Fidel’s door, WW III could have been triggered. Once it became clear that neither Comrade Fidel nor Comrade Nikita had been involved, the Feds began coughing up the actual details.

catsandbooks on November 8, 2013 at 4:48 PM

cozmo on November 8, 2013 at 4:41 PM

bah, nothing wrong with a little light entertainment…

equanimous on November 8, 2013 at 4:48 PM

have insisted he use something besides the piece-of-crap rifle and twenty-year-old-ammunition he did use

Carcanos are certainly “clunky” by most standards but they’re nothing to laugh at. I own won and it’s an accurate little dude.

Plenty of better weapons to do a job like the but all it took was a $25 mail order Carcano to change history.

JoeinTX on November 8, 2013 at 4:49 PM

‘JFK’ is one of my favorite movies, and basically gets it right. .

WhatSlushfund on November 8, 2013 at 4:40 PM

Which part? The name of the guy that got shot?

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BobMbx on November 8, 2013 at 4:51 PM

If you go to Dallas, you can visit the Sixth Floor museum in the Texas Schoolbook Depository building. It’s been 20 years since I was there, but if I remember correctly, while you can’t get in the actual window that Oswald used, you can go to the next window and get a good look at the spot where Kennedy was killed. Oswald had an easy shot at Kennedy from that window. It’s unsatisfying to think that a loser like Oswald could bring down the President, but John Hinckley damned near did the same thing to Reagan, just as Squeaky Fromme and Sara Jane Moore nearly got Ford. It was a different time.

Mr. D on November 8, 2013 at 4:19 PM

I had exactly the same reaction upon visiting the sixth floor a couple of years ago. Up until then I had my doubts about the official story, but after seeing what an easy shot it was, and how easy it would have been for Oswald to have been seen 90 seconds later three floors down in the break room, my doubt vanished. The little commie prick did it all by himself.

Curmudgeon on November 8, 2013 at 4:51 PM

So the CIA has disappearing rifles?
Akzed on November 8, 2013 at 4:42 PM

Guns can easily be made to seem to disappear.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRx5BYh30yk

whatcat on November 8, 2013 at 4:51 PM

Janet Jackson’s Boob!

John Kerry is a Boob.

LetsBfrank on November 8, 2013 at 4:52 PM

John Kerry is an idiot

workingclass artist on November 8, 2013 at 4:06 PM

That said, Oswald was still a commie and Kerry is still a nitwit.

vityas on November 8, 2013 at 4:13 PM

You are both going to go to bed without supper for stating the glaringly obvious.

As of 2003, 68 percent of Americans believed there was a cover-up to hide the truth of the assassination.

OK, somebody remind me again, what percentage of Americans think they’ve been abducted by space aliens?

oldleprechaun on November 8, 2013 at 4:53 PM

Actually, it a “gold anniversary” rehashing. Some of is are old enough to remember that day quite well. But it’s something that Kerry should shut up about unless he has some info to officially release.

whatcat on November 8, 2013 at 4:48 PM

I’m old enough to remember it.All fifty fvcking years .

katy the mean old lady on November 8, 2013 at 4:54 PM

I used to be really stupid and think that way as well. But then reading and watching facts about the case made me realize it was just oswald.

If anyone has ever been to dallas and the school book depository you will see that is was an easy easy shot. Anovice shooter could have made that shot. it isn’t far at all.

The Notorious G.O.P on November 8, 2013 at 4:54 PM

It was really Roger McDowell!

Del Dolemonte on November 8, 2013 at 4:54 PM

equanimous on November 8, 2013 at 4:48 PM

But this one ain’t even interesting. The knots they have to twist themselves into got worn out years decades ago.

And the kooks that hang out hawking their theories down by the triple underpass take away from a pleasant visit to Dealey Plaza.

Heck, the Sixth Floor Museum has to bring in traveling exhibits to remain afloat.

cozmo on November 8, 2013 at 4:54 PM

There is some new theory now that after the first shot, a secret service member had a misfire and that was the bullet that killed JFK.

That theory is not new. It’s been around for about 40 years and got it’s big break around 20 years ago.

JoeinTX on November 8, 2013 at 4:55 PM

Those who love the status quo and desperately want America to go on with “business as usual” have no room for such things.

So they will ignore all manner of crimes including assassinations in order to make themselves feel better about America…they have to, because then the alternative is to say to themselves, “Then what the hell is this country about?”

I say that we should have been asking that question for many, many decades now rather than pretending that really nasty stuff doesn’t happen or will magically go away.

Dr. ZhivBlago on November 8, 2013 at 4:55 PM

This quote also explains all the 9/11 truthers as well.

“Those who desperately want to believe that President Kennedy was the victim of a conspiracy have my sympathy. I share their yearning. To employ what may seem an odd metaphor, there is an esthetic principle here. If you put six million dead Jews on one side of a scale and on the other side put the Nazi regime – the greatest gang of criminals ever to seize control of a modern state – you have a rough balance: greatest crime, greatest criminals. But if you put the murdered President of the United States on one side of a scale and that wretched waif Oswald on the other side, it doesn’t balance. You want to add something weightier to Oswald. It would invest the President’s death with meaning, endowing him with martyrdom. He would have died for something. A conspiracy would, of course, do the job nicely.”

The Notorious G.O.P on November 8, 2013 at 4:57 PM

It’s unsatisfying to think that a loser like Oswald could bring down the President, but John Hinckley damned near did the same thing to Reagan, just as Squeaky Fromme and Sara Jane Moore nearly got Ford. It was a different time.

Mr. D on November 8, 2013 at 4:19 PM

Do any of you know who Lee Harvey Oswald was?

Kafir on November 8, 2013 at 4:58 PM

It was Dick Cheney acting alone. He also killed Hoffa and buried him in his back yard.

katy the mean old lady on November 8, 2013 at 4:59 PM

Koch brothers in the grassy knoll.

The Notorious G.O.P on November 8, 2013 at 5:00 PM

The Notorious G.O.P on November 8, 2013 at 4:54 PM

That’s only recently.

At the time of the assassination, there was a big sign on the roof that created a huge wind vortex that would make it impossible for even an expert marksman with custom equipment to make any kind of shot towards Elm street.

The conspiracy theorist with green hair and no teeth that can usually be found on the sidewalk next to where the first shot struck the motorcade will tell you that.

cozmo on November 8, 2013 at 5:00 PM

What is truly astonishing about John F Kennedy, the President, is the number of dangerous Americans he threw under the bus and might have wanted him dead. Mob involvement is confirmed and their is every likelihood some mobsters wanted him dead.

Then the Cuban and Soviet angle with Bay of Pigs, Missile Crisis.

Then there is his personal conduct in office, totally sleazy with more despicable conduct being exposed by molls JFK dated.

Then there is his abuse of prescription drugs as well as usage of meth type substances.

JFK racked up enough misdeeds while in office to have brought death upon himself. Whoever did it, they had the Warren commission to smear the tracks so that we’ll never know who and why?

richardb on November 8, 2013 at 5:02 PM

It’s unsatisfying to think that a loser like Oswald could bring down the President, but John Hinckley damned near did the same thing to Reagan, just as Squeaky Fromme and Sara Jane Moore nearly got Ford. It was a different time.

Mr. D on November 8, 2013 at 4:19 PM

Loser?

I’m not going to get sucked into a huge argument, but I believe that he was a highly intelligent man, capable of learning a difficult foreign language in a very short time, and definitely worked in some capacity in military intelligence while he was on active duty. His bio was manufactured for public consumption. The man was a world traveler and yet had no explainable income to support that.

I believe he was a CIA spook, or an operative of some other intelligence branch of the government.

Dr. ZhivBlago on November 8, 2013 at 5:03 PM

Driven past the Depository dozens of times, and stood in the street at least half a dozen. Easy, easy shot.

M240H on November 8, 2013 at 5:03 PM

It’s been 20 years since I was there, but if I remember correctly, while you can’t get in the actual window that Oswald used
Mr. D on November 8, 2013 at 4:19 PM

And thus you cannot see the tree branches that he would have to shoot through with a rifle so prone to missing that it was called “the humanitarian weapon” in WWII which also happened to be fitted with a misaligned scope.

Unless we’re talking about the Mauser the Dallas police also found there.

whatcat on November 8, 2013 at 5:03 PM

Yeah, and let me also tell you about the whole “landing on the Moon” business…..

Opposite Day on November 8, 2013 at 5:05 PM

JFK racked up enough misdeeds while in office to have brought death upon himself. Whoever did it, they had the Warren commission to smear the tracks so that we’ll never know who and why?

richardb on November 8, 2013 at 5:02 PM

Can’t remember it exactly, but P.J. O’Roure once said” He was killed under mysterious and romantic circumstances, instead after due process of law.”

katy the mean old lady on November 8, 2013 at 5:06 PM

whatcat on November 8, 2013 at 5:03 PM

That’s right! The trees, the trees! They are the exact same size as they were 50 years ago!

cozmo on November 8, 2013 at 5:07 PM

One socialist killing another? Impossible to comprehend in the vapid mind of a liberal

Valiant on November 8, 2013 at 5:07 PM

Unless we’re talking about the Mauser the Dallas police also found there.

whatcat on November 8, 2013 at 5:03 PM

Hmmmmmm. My brother had a green Rambler Nash station wagon. Right about that time too.

I’ll have to ask him where he was on the afternoon of ….

Cleombrotus on November 8, 2013 at 5:11 PM

I’m old enough to remember it.All fifty fvcking years .
katy the mean old lady on November 8, 2013 at 4:54 PM

Ah, yeah, as the years go by there’s fewer of us who recall “where you were and what you were doing”.

If the rehashing really does bug you alot maybe skipping this thread to to preserve your sanity might be a good idea. There are some threads that would drive me buggy so I just abstain.

But this is something I’ve looked into quite a bit from all sides, so it’s of interest to me to read and kick things back and forth.

whatcat on November 8, 2013 at 5:11 PM

More deflection from real and pressing matters.

Skywise on November 8, 2013 at 5:14 PM

And thus you cannot see the tree branches that he would have to shoot through with a rifle so prone to missing that it was called “the humanitarian weapon” in WWII which also happened to be fitted with a misaligned scope.

Unless we’re talking about the Mauser the Dallas police also found there.

whatcat on November 8, 2013 at 5:03 PM

If you’ve stood there, where the car was, and looked up at the window there was no need to shoot through any branches. And that takes into considerationthe foliage in place at the time. The shot is only abot 80 yards; a scope, even of the lowest power, would almost be a hindrance. Been there many times, and I had the same USMC rifle training Oswald did. Easy shot.

M240H on November 8, 2013 at 5:16 PM

That’s right! The trees, the trees! They are the exact same size as they were 50 years ago!
cozmo on November 8, 2013 at 5:07 PM

The were fully grown.

But now that you mention it…
1963

2003

whatcat on November 8, 2013 at 5:18 PM

Lee Harvey Oswald and the Tea Party Republicans did it.

oldroy on November 8, 2013 at 5:22 PM

Pivotal moment for the left. I think.
Leftist whore turned into Camelot martyr. Helped shed the slave holding, hating KKK moniker for the dems under the victim’s shroud, while reinventing the goodness of statism out of whole cloth once again.
That generation of children grew up idolizing the myth, convinced of their superior goodness because of their fallen hero.
Oh hell, Bush did it. Can we go home now? The whole squirrel, Janet Jackson’s boob argument withstanding.

onomo on November 8, 2013 at 5:23 PM

One socialist killing another? Impossible to comprehend in the vapid mind of a liberal

Valiant on November 8, 2013 at 5:07 PM

JFK was no socialist and neither was RFK. If you ask me, that’s why they were killed – to cement the hard left turn of the Democrat party. That’s why to this day they blame the assassinations on “right wing hate.”

Kafir on November 8, 2013 at 5:23 PM

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