Rush Limbaugh: It would be a gross error for Republicans to let Obama delay the individual mandate

posted at 7:21 pm on November 8, 2013 by Allahpundit

Via MFP, didn’t House Republicans demand a delay of the mandate at one point in late September as their price for averting a shutdown? Yes, says Rush, but that was then. Obama refused to defund the law before it started wreaking havoc so now his reward is getting to watch this car crash play out. In fact, that was a core argument among establishment Republicans against “defund.” Why stop a program that the Democrats own if you’re convinced it’ll be a wreck? Allow it to launch and then, when it wrecks, their credibility will wreck with it. Let it burn.

I’ve written about this problem before, as have other righty bloggers, but it’s newly urgent now that Obama’s website czar is hinting that the site won’t be ready by the end of the month. Delay is coming, and like I said at the end of that last link, there are two ways Obama can play it. He can do what he did with the employer mandate and unilaterally declare that the individual mandate won’t be enforced, at least temporarily. That’s probably illegal but that never stopped him before. Or he can call on both parties in Congress to pass something to delay the mandate for awhile, at least until the website is up and running. Marco Rubio introduced a bill two weeks ago that would do exactly that — yet here’s Rush insisting that it would be the height of stupidity to ease the pain caused by ObamaCare by granting Obama a delay. Simple dilemma for the GOP, then: If they agree to a delay, they’re helping to reduce near-term suffering caused by the law. Like Rush says, that’ll make it easier later for Democrats to claim that it’s working okay. If they don’t agree to a delay, they’re contradicting a position they held as recently as six weeks ago and giving Obama an opening to claim that Republicans want people to suffer. They’re so vindictive towards him, he’ll say, that they’d rather see people forced to pay a penalty next year for not having insurance even though the website makes it next to impossible to obtain insurance. Remember, none other than Ted Cruz rejected the “let it burn” strategy in an interview a few weeks ago because, he said, it’d be terrible to stand by while Americans are suffering just to score some political points. That was his rationale for pursuing “defund” — he tried to stop the law before it could do harm. How does he feel about mitigating the harm now that the law’s taken effect?

What the GOP’s going to end up doing, I assume, is granting a delay if Obama asks for one but only if he gives them other concessions. What those might be, I don’t know; they could ask for a sunset clause on the entire law by a certain date if things aren’t working, as Ace suggests, although who knows if Obama would dare risk that. Whatever happens, it’s crucial that they make sure people understand that delaying the mandate has bad consequences. It’s unfortunately necessary because you can’t penalize people for not buying a product that the government’s website won’t let them buy, but it’s only going to increase the risk of adverse selection to the insurance industry. Instead of healthy people signing up en masse and tossing their money at insurers every month starting in April, those insurers will have to wait until May — or June, or July, or who knows when. And meanwhile, untold numbers of sick people will be signing up, month after month. Job one for the GOP is making that clear so that the public understands that Obama’s colossal screw-up is going to do damage even after mitigating action like delay is taken. Meanwhile, if O refuses to grant them any concessions, they should simply vote present on delay, in fine Obama tradition, instead. Let Democrats continue to own this. No “yes” votes from Republicans, even if the politics of this force them to relent on the mandate for now.


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I’m just going to spam this again although it has been pointed out by others.

Letting it burn = delaying the individual mandate.

Without the mandate premiums shoot up and it all crumbles, at least in theory.

The democrats wishing to delay the mandate are either stupid or know it won’t happen and just want political cover. “See! We wanted to delay the mandate but the rethuglikkans stopped us”. The GOP should call their bluff and second their call for a delay. Worst case it is delayed and obamacare gets even more painful for the electorate.

jhffmn on November 10, 2013 at 1:18 AM

“Here is what the republicans should offer
1. Insurance can be sold across state lines
2. No government defined coverage levels, let insurance companies offer any plan that consumers will purchase
3. Tort reform
4. Guaranteed issue of plans

dmeyers1 on November 9, 2013 at 1:14 AM”

LOL! Democrats in every state across the nation getting kickbacks from the insurance companies will probably say “NO!”

Those are all great ideas though…

shorebird on November 10, 2013 at 1:27 AM

We’re all chasing our tales over everything the dems do or don’t do.And the dems see our babbling confusion and know however the chips fall, they’ll be able to blame us for any failure, and take credit for any success. Further, they’re completely covered shore to shore by their propoganda arm.
We’re seeing their massive failures and at the same time arguing over how not to lose anymore ground. If we ever get our footing, they’ll be driven into the sea (well prison preferably.
We’ve got to be true to the basics. From the constitution to true definitions of liberalism (fascism) and truth (sans relativity-which essentially make every Obama has ever said truth)
*Political Correctness is political oppression by the ruling class.
*The left is now fully committed to Stalism.
*The rinos are collaborators to this treasonous tyranny.
Nothing can be achieved without first accepting and then defending ourselves from these 3 very self evident points. Then together, we can defeat tyranny.

onomo on November 10, 2013 at 7:52 AM

Oh and every congressman that votes for a law and doesn’t read it before hand is guilty of treason and should dealt with as such.

onomo on November 10, 2013 at 8:02 AM

Oh dear. Three pages of comments and no one, not a single truuuue con (or anyone else for that matter) has been able to refute my assertion that Cruz/DefundIt legislation would have done nothing to stop insurance cancellations letters from going out, a situation which is making lives miserable for millions of Americans. Again: Obamacare funding has nothing to do with these pernicious events.

PS: onomo – Did you vote on Election Day 2012? If not you are a “collaborator” in the re-election of the Marxist in Chief.

PPS: What is “treasonous tyranny”? LOL.

Buy Danish on November 10, 2013 at 8:55 AM

1. Insurance can be sold across state lines
2. No government defined coverage levels, let insurance companies offer any plan that consumers will purchase
3. Tort reform

dmeyers1 on November 9, 2013 at 1:14 AM

Absolutely.

4. Guaranteed issue of plans

Absolutely not. It’s completely antithetical to freedom.

On a more practical (but very related) note, it’s impractical without a mandate – why do you think Obamacare is in so much danger of collapsing? This is why up until now, only group plans have it – they can get away with it because they have what is basically a de facto individual mandate, in that the employer usually pays a large part of the premium. And even then, the premiums are generally so high that the only reason they can get away with it is that the employee doesn’t realize that the employer contribution is still coming out of the same HR budget that would otherwise be giving the employee the money directly, as a part of salary. So the employee thinks he’s paying something like $50 premium, when the real premium is closer to $500.

Also, guaranteed issue is fundamentally unfair, since it presumes that the insurance company somehow has an obligation to provide what is essentially welfare to people with pre-existing conditions.

You can try to mitigate this all by limiting it to people with creditable coverage, but it’s still unfair to the individual insurer; if I’m selling insurance, the fact that someone bought insurance from someone else before they got sick should not make me have obligations.

Even with the individual mandate, no individual insurer is guaranteed to get the business of a single one of the healthy customers dragged into the market; this would make it impossible for any entrepreneur to start a new insurance company unless they were so enormously wealthy that they could get a large enough share of the market to be confident they could be competitive among healthier customers.

If we want welfare for people with very severe pre-existing conditions, we have to be honest about it and have the government fund it with tax breaks, tax credits, and occasionally, for the most extreme cases, direct subsidies. No government intervention is ideal, but as a practical matter, if the public decides there is an interest in supporting people with catastrophic illnesses, then the least bad option is for the public at large to foot the bill – foisting the cost onto the individual insurer is terrible.

RINO in Name Only on November 10, 2013 at 9:34 AM

Oh dear. Three pages of comments and no one, not a single truuuue con (or anyone else for that matter) has been able to refute my assertion that Cruz/DefundIt legislation would have done nothing to stop insurance cancellations letters from going out, a situation which is making lives miserable for millions of Americans. Again: Obamacare funding has nothing to do with these pernicious events.

Buy Danish on November 10, 2013 at 8:55 AM

So? The thread doesn’t revolve around you.

More to the point, the effort to eliminate Obamacare is not solely or even primarily for the purpose of stopping the cancellations – that is only one reason (albeit an important one) for killing this bill.

Some of the many other purposes for killing this law, which ARE advance by defunding, include slowing down the expansion of Medicaid, impeding efforts to enforce the law by removing the funds appropriated for expanding the IRS and other agencies, and preventing the massive subsidies in the law from being used to cajole younger individuals into paying for coverage they don’t need or otherwise want, at taxpayer expense.

Which isn’t to say I even agreed with Cruz’s move this time, but your trolling here is boring and annoying.

RINO in Name Only on November 10, 2013 at 9:52 AM

PPS: What is “treasonous tyranny”? LOL.

Buy Danish on November 10, 2013 at 8:55 AM

Its complicated. A “we the people” thing.

onomo on November 10, 2013 at 10:05 AM

http://www.nationalreview.com/node/363538/print

Barack Obama is guilty of fraud — serial fraud — that is orders of magnitude more serious than frauds the Justice Department routinely prosecutes, and that courts punish harshly. The victims will be out billions of dollars, quite apart from other anxiety and disruption that will befall them.

The president will not be prosecuted, of course, but that is immaterial. As discussed here before, the remedy for profound presidential corruption is political, not legal. It is impeachment and removal. “High crimes and misdemeanors” — the Constitution’s predicate for impeachment — need not be indictable offenses under the criminal code. “They relate chiefly,” Hamilton explained in Federalist No. 65, “to injuries done immediately to the society itself.” They involve scandalous breaches of the public trust by officials in whom solemn fiduciary duties are reposed — like a president who looks Americans in the eye and declares, repeatedly, that they can keep their health insurance plans . . . even as he studiously orchestrates the regulatory termination of those plans; even as he shifts blame to the insurance companies for his malfeasance — just as he shifted blame to a hapless video producer for his shocking dereliction of duty during the Benghazi massacre.

It is highly unlikely that Barack Obama will ever be impeached. It is certain that he will never again be trusted. Republicans and sensible Democrats take heed: The nation may not have the stomach to remove a charlatan, but the nation knows he is a charlatan. The American people will not think twice about taking out their frustration and mounting anger on those who collaborate in his schemes.

redguy on November 10, 2013 at 10:30 AM

What just sickens me is the math. We were told by the yahoo that 30,000,000(!!) people were uninsured and we GOTTA help them! Now we find out they’ve blown $932,000,000 on just the web site! Why couldn’t he have just handed the 30M uninsured their $3.2M (put in like an HSA account)and called it good? Would have been a helluva lot cheaper! This is why it was never about insuring those people. It was always to meant to destroy the insurance industry.

graywaiter on November 10, 2013 at 10:32 AM

RINO in Name Only on November 10, 2013 at 9:52 AM

Blahblahblah. I asked a specific question about DEFUND IT. The so-called “true conservatives” across the USA are on a primarying spree, targeting good sitting GOP Senators such as Mitch McConnell over this specific issue. Sorry you are incapable of answering a very simple question.

Anyone? How many insurance cancellation letters would have been halted or ceased being spent if DefundIt had passed?

I contend the answer is: Zero. I welcome evidence to the contrary.

Buy Danish on November 10, 2013 at 10:45 AM

Spent=sent. Sorry for the typo.

Buy Danish on November 10, 2013 at 10:47 AM

Its complicated. A “we the people” thing.

onomo on November 10, 2013 at 10:05 AM

Actually it’s not complicated at all. You can be guilty of treason. You can be a tyrant. One has nothing to do with the other. And only a babbling fool would suggest that people who don’t ascribe to your definition of conservative are guilty of treason, or are tyrants. Indeed, YOU sound like a tyrant with your purity tests. #Irony

Buy Danish on November 10, 2013 at 11:02 AM

Defunding Obamacare would not have stopped the cancellations. After all, 85% of Obamacare was still funded. That is something Cruz and his fan club ignore..and it would still have been the law, just with a small part of it not funded. Only repeal or huge changes to the law would stop that wave of cancellations. And they are not done yet.

Terrye on November 10, 2013 at 11:28 AM

Actually it’s not complicated at all. You can be guilty of treason. You can be a tyrant. One has nothing to do with the other. And only a babbling fool would suggest that people who don’t ascribe to your definition of conservative are guilty of treason, or are tyrants. Indeed, YOU sound like a tyrant with your purity tests. #Irony

Buy Danish on November 10, 2013 at 11:02 AM

Irony? So your “Marxist in Chief” was satirical? Marx and later the Soviet Union were adamant in declaring that capitalism and Marxism could not co-exist.
Swearing an oath to the U S. Constitution, then clearly breaking that oath in said manner. I don’t know, call me a fool, call me a hole less doughnut, but at this point maybe you should give me your definition of irony.
And in reference to Mitch McConnell, maybe your definition of conservatism. And maybe a quick reference of the differences between fascism and the democratic liberalism of today.
Because criticizing “treason” and “tyrant” and then ending with “Marxist in Chief”? And then piling on with irony?! Well its not Danish. Hell its barely stale cruller.

onomo on November 10, 2013 at 11:38 AM

Defunding Obamacare would not have stopped the cancellations. After all, 85% of Obamacare was still funded. That is something Cruz and his fan club ignore..and it would still have been the law, just with a small part of it not funded. Only repeal or huge changes to the law would stop that wave of cancellations. And they are not done yet.

Terrye on November 10, 2013 at 11:28 AM

This is why it is important to get ahead of the libs on this point.

We see millions already getting canceled. Conservatives must attack on the point
that tens of millions of more cancellations are in store. The dems up for re-election in 2014
cannot spin and lie about ObamaCare anymore.

redguy on November 10, 2013 at 11:51 AM

How many insurance cancellation letters would have been halted or ceased being spent if
DefundIt had passed?

As usual the harlot’s logic is infantile. Try some better presuppositions.

Murphy9 on November 10, 2013 at 12:34 PM

onomo on November 10, 2013 at 11:38 AM

Blahblahblah. You said:

The rinos are collaborators to this treasonous tyranny.
onomo on November 10, 2013 at 7:52 AM

That’s an inane statement. PERIOD.

Buy Danish on November 10, 2013 at 12:52 PM

That’s an inane statement. PERIOD.

Buy Danish on November 10, 2013 at 12:52 PM

Tyranny is patriotic? Take your time.

onomo on November 10, 2013 at 12:57 PM

Murphy9 on November 10, 2013 at 12:34 PM

LOL. Try again: Answer the question. HOW would DefundIt have stopped Insurance cancellations letters from proceeding apace?

You all do realize the issue of cancelled insurance policies is the #1 issue in the country right now and will likely continue to be on Election Day 2014?

Buy Danish on November 10, 2013 at 1:04 PM

Tyranny is patriotic? Take your time.

onomo on November 10, 2013 at 12:57 PM

That’s not what you said, you babbling fool.

Buy Danish on November 10, 2013 at 1:05 PM

Again: Obamacare funding has nothing to do with these pernicious events.

No sh*t. Do you think you are some sort of genius?

In case you don’t remember, the defund strategy was part of a budget fight. The only thing possible at that time was to attack Obamacare funding, since Congress was in a budget discussion. I repeated this so that you can potentially understand it. Are you getting it yet?

More importantly, the defund fight got national attention just as the Obamacare disaster was rolling out. Thus, voters got full media saturation on the fact that there was only one portion of one party trying to do ANYTHING AT ALL to stop the disaster before it hit.

They will remember this next November.

Missy on November 10, 2013 at 2:10 PM

Only in your infantile brain resides the notion that a point has been made.

Murphy9 on November 10, 2013 at 3:32 PM

Missy on November 10, 2013 at 2:10 PM

Agree, 100%. Thank you!

-west

mr_west on November 10, 2013 at 3:34 PM

The anger and incoherence sound like meds.
Me? Oh no, I’ve always been a babbler ;)

onomo on November 10, 2013 at 3:43 PM

Missy on November 10, 2013 at 2:10 PM

You’re dreaming. Even if we lived with you on Fantasy Island, and DefundIt had passed, millions of insurance policies would have been cancelled and millions would have been left without insurance, doctors and hospitals.

What was the point of pursuing this strategy again? Was anything tangible gained, were any concessions negotiated? The ONLY new thing we got was an income verification agreement of dubious value. You all shut down the government for no reason, and hurt Cuccinelli’s chances as the vast majority of people who were injured by the shutdown lived in the districts we needed to win for him. Bravo!

Meanwhile, “the media attention” you brag about was focused entirely on the shutdown and a recitation of Green Eggs and Ham. I heard the networks like CNN cover his faux-filibuster. That’s what they talked about. Yes, I’m glad some people saw that PrezBo is a spiteful bully. We didn’t need to shut down the government (and harm private businesses who operate on federal land) to prove this point.

The attention NOW is focused on the millions who are losing their insurance. That nightmare was going to happen anyway, and has NOTHING to do with ANYTHING Ted Cruz did.

Come November I hope you’ll realize our enemy sits in the White House and in the Democrat Party. Punishing the GOP leadership for not acting like Kamikaze Pilots is, well, suicidal.

Buy Danish on November 10, 2013 at 5:06 PM

Buy Danish on November 10, 2013 at 5:06 PM

You’re dreaming. Even if we lived with you on Fantasy Island, and DefundIt had passed, millions of insurance policies would have been cancelled and millions would have been left without insurance, doctors and hospitals.

Fine let’s play this out…
Wow, the doctors AND hospitals would close, HUH? You could/can still pay for smaller things in medical care out of pocket, like we all did years ago.

What was the point of pursuing this strategy again? Was anything tangible gained, were any concessions negotiated?

You got to start somewhere, may as well been budget for the next round of this fiasco. So what if we pissed off the federal workers.. they are in the minority at this point. Oh, and what did we lose when the government wasn’t working. yeah, the world came crashing down./sarc

You all shut down the government for no reason, and hurt Cuccinelli’s chances as the vast majority of people who were injured by the shutdown lived in the districts we needed to win for him. Bravo!

I would believe that the loss was because Our GOP didn’t support him financially and let him fend for himself.

So, why are we talking about this, its like Monday morning quarterbacking….

-west

mr_west on November 10, 2013 at 5:33 PM

Come November I hope you’ll realize our enemy sits in the White House and in the Democrat Party. Punishing the GOP leadership for not acting like Kamikaze Pilots is, well, suicidal.

Buy Danish on November 10, 2013 at 5:06 PM

Oh good god I thought you were just drunk! Yeah but here’s the thing BD, he’s sitting up there in the white house with your mamma and daddy, McConnell and Boehner under his desk.
Your day is over. Go crawl back up inside Karl Rove. “Our enemy” happened on your watch!

onomo on November 10, 2013 at 5:39 PM

Why does anyone think Obama would try to get a delay through congress?? He will simply make an edict from on high like as he has done with all the other Obamacare changes.

D.L.Mc on November 10, 2013 at 6:14 PM

mr_west on November 10, 2013 at 5:33 PM

Shorter Mr. West: So, you purchased insurance with zero government subsidies, got screwed by Obama, are dying of cancer, lost your insurance coverage, doctors and hospital? Buck up, stop whining, pay cash.

Great messaging! Vote for this!/

Buy Danish on November 10, 2013 at 6:18 PM

GOP = DEM

No difference. Same sh*t, different day. Carry on, comrade’s.

Key West Reader on November 10, 2013 at 6:35 PM

onomo on November 10, 2013 at 5:39 PM

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Douche alert.

Key West Reader on November 10, 2013 at 6:37 PM

onomo on November 10, 2013 at 5:39 PM

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Douche alert.

Key West Reader on November 10, 2013 at 6:37 PM

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Well, nodody’s perfect . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (except me)

listens2glenn on November 10, 2013 at 6:50 PM

GOP = DEM

No difference. Same sh*t, different day. Carry on, comrade’s.

Key West Reader on November 10, 2013 at 6:35 PM

Really? You think a Mitt Romney administration would have approved of this crap? I can point to gazillions of examples like this.

Or how about this?

The GOP is a Marxist Free Zone. #PERIOD

Buy Danish on November 10, 2013 at 6:56 PM

Resubmit the old bill that Harry Reid et al refused to consider and make them sign it. Re submit it today. The question should not be if the Republicans will go along with the Dems now that things are falling apart. The Republicans submitted their bill and it was dismissed. if the Dems have decided they want to support the Republican’s plan then welcome. Make them support our plan.

yongoro on November 10, 2013 at 8:51 PM

I supported Cruz’ effort to delay BarryCare by defunding it.
But, now I’ve “grown” and realize that it needs to be implemented in all of its “glory”:
Let it burn, Baby; let it burn!

Another Drew on November 11, 2013 at 12:42 AM

yongoro on November 10, 2013 at 8:51 PM

Like the thinking here, except that this time Republican demands should escalate. It would be safe politically because nobody is thinking that Republicans supported any part of this disaster.

virgo on November 11, 2013 at 3:03 AM

What just sickens me is the math. We were told by the yahoo that 30,000,000(!!) people were uninsured and we GOTTA help them! Now we find out they’ve blown $932,000,000 on just the web site! Why couldn’t he have just handed the 30M uninsured their $3.2M (put in like an HSA account)and called it good? Would have been a helluva lot cheaper! This is why it was never about insuring those people. It was always to meant to destroy the insurance industry.

graywaiter on November 10, 2013 at 10:32 AM

1000/30 = 33. That’s $33 million per uninsured. It’s $3.2 million if you were to pay for everyone’s insurance.

MrX on November 11, 2013 at 3:13 AM

Oops, sorry. That’s 33 dollars. It’d cost $150 billion per year to insure those 30 million people at $5000 per year.

MrX on November 11, 2013 at 3:16 AM

RINO in Name Only on November 10, 2013 at 9:52 AM

Blahblahblah. I asked a specific question about DEFUND IT. The so-called “true conservatives” across the USA are on a primarying spree, targeting good sitting GOP Senators such as Mitch McConnell over this specific issue. Sorry you are incapable of answering a very simple question.
Anyone? How many insurance cancellation letters would have been halted or ceased being spent if DefundIt had passed?
I contend the answer is: Zero. I welcome evidence to the contrary.

Buy Danish on November 10, 2013 at 10:45 AM

What part of

More to the point, the effort to eliminate Obamacare is not solely or even primarily for the purpose of stopping the cancellations – that is only one reason (albeit an important one) for killing this bill.

did you not understand?

You asked a question, I observed that your question was beside the point, and explained why.

Next time someone replies to your question, and you’re too lazy to read the first two sentence of the reply, you should probably avoid the whole “blah blah blah” routine. People might get the idea you have poor reading comprehension or something.

RINO in Name Only on November 11, 2013 at 3:17 AM

*The rinos are collaborators to this treasonous tyranny.

onomo on November 10, 2013 at 7:52 AM

The problem is that far too many RINOs wear perfect camouflage until it is too late to include them in the hunt.

One clue is to watch the way the other herd feels about them—if the media wants them (vote against them) if the media warns us against them (vote for them) if the elitist GOP elevates them vote them all out an any cost. Sometimes (home invasions/war) it is better to just pack up and leave the house or burn it down.

Don L on November 11, 2013 at 5:38 AM

Oops, sorry. That’s 33 dollars. It’d cost $150 billion per year to insure those 30 million people at $5000 per year.
 
MrX on November 11, 2013 at 3:16 AM

 
(R)s should hammer how it relates to us repeating the highly-controversial “stimulus” spending each year since 2009.
 
(It’s why Reid/Obama won’t pass a budget- it’s part of baseline until they do, and we’re up to ~5 trillion now).
 
Posted originally at Ace’s:
 

Ongoing Federal “stimulus” spending per year = $700B+
 
$700B+ / ~320,000,000 people = ~$2,200/yr/person.
 
$2,200 / 12 months = $180/mo/person. (that includes illegals, uninsured, transient tourists, etc. i.e. every “warm body”)
 
$180/mo could pay for basic catastrophic and (genuine) emergency treatment for every warm body in the US, and NOT require huge bureaucracy or expensive non-functional web sites to accomplish

 
$180/mo could pay for basic coverage for everyone.
 
Obamacare is about something different.

rogerb on November 11, 2013 at 6:54 AM

The problem is that far too many RINOs wear perfect camouflage until it is too late to include them in the hunt.

One clue is to watch the way the other herd feels about them—if the media wants them (vote against them) if the media warns us against them (vote for them) if the elitist GOP elevates them vote them all out an any cost. Sometimes (home invasions/war) it is better to just pack up and leave the house or burn it down.

Don L on November 11, 2013 at 5:38 AM

Some even came in wearing tea party attire, and you’re dead on in regards to the company they keep. I’d like to just fumigate first though. Works for Brown Fiddlers and such, but copperheads? Well, we’ll rebuild but it won’t be on the legacy of Mitch McConnell.

The GOP is a Marxist Free Zone. #PERIOD

Buy Danish on November 10, 2013 at 6:56 PM

You do realize most of your rino heroes really have no clue as to the definition of that word don’t you? Masterminds always insist their form of socialism is different. You shit fool.
Chuck Schumer just called, he needs your father to fix him a sandwich.

onomo on November 11, 2013 at 7:23 AM

Danish,

I contend that the Cruz strategy could have worked if the GOP had held out longer and pressured Reid into a vote in the Senate. Manchin had already gone on record saying he was cool with delay. There are at least 6-8 other dems who would do ANYTHING to get re-elected including voting for full repeal. Two weeks more of partial shutdown and the rollout debacle would have required just such a vote from Reid and company.

Your problem is not realizing that Rs like McConnell are = to Schumer/Obama statists. You think Ocare is cool as long as McCain and Graham are in charge of it. It’s never to late to wake up and join the fight on the right side.

kpguru on November 11, 2013 at 8:32 AM

I AGREE with Rush. Republicans gave obama a chance during the shutdown to repeal, delay obamacare and the Democrats said NO. Therefore, let them stew in their own juices.

DO NOT lift a finger to improve this monstrosity.

The ONLY offer should be to REPEAL the whole law.

Gotcha on November 11, 2013 at 8:36 AM

As to whether or not Republicans should go along with any attempts to “fix” Obamacare:

A Wolf had been feasting too greedily, and a bone had stuck crosswise in his throat. He could get it neither up nor down, and of course he could not eat a thing. Naturally that was an awful state of affairs for a greedy Wolf.

So away he hurried to the Crane. He was sure that she, with her long neck and bill, would easily be able to reach the bone and pull it out.

“I will reward you very handsomely,” said the Wolf, “if you pull that bone out for me.”

The Crane, as you can imagine, was very uneasy about putting her head in a Wolf’s throat. But she was grasping in nature, so she did what the Wolf asked her to do.

When the Wolf felt that the bone was gone, he started to walk away.

“But what about my reward!” called the Crane anxiously.

“What!” snarled the Wolf, whirling around. “Haven’t you got it? Isn’t it enough that I let you take your head out of my mouth without snapping it off?”

Expect no reward for serving the wicked.

Gov98 on November 11, 2013 at 9:10 AM

I think repubs should agree to give extensions/delay after being asked by the president. Then, give the extension until say, Sept 15 or so. The website will still be broke and there will be plenty of time for the sticker shock effect to take hold just before elections. Then, make it a campaign theme across country to get it killed.

blargo on November 11, 2013 at 9:27 AM

Expect no reward for serving the wicked.

Gov98 on November 11, 2013 at 9:10 AM

Yes. That’s why we should expect no credit for getting this decision right. We’re in a no lose really but the press will fix that. Isn’t that what we’ve got our horns locked over here anyway? The perception of our decision to or not to? We know the outcome either way will be disastrous.
Can we stand united in a no lose situation?

onomo on November 11, 2013 at 9:33 AM

We know the outcome either way will be disastrous.
Can we stand united in a no lose situation?

onomo on November 11, 2013 at 9:33 AM

We know the results of what they’ve done will be disastrous either way is what I meant. And of course the press will hide that as dutiful as possible.
Our whole debate here seems to be how best to circumvent the left’s teflon coating, not the fact that they are all just wolves. No armor plating. Never hunted one but I’d think the last thing you’d want to do in hunting one (or a pack) is split up.

onomo on November 11, 2013 at 9:44 AM

MrX on November 11, 2013 at 3:13 AM

Oops…you’re right. Dropped a zero in there. Thanks for making my headache worse..~sigh~….goin’ to a cool, dark place before I throw up at this mess….

graywaiter on November 11, 2013 at 9:56 AM

I AGREE with Rush. Republicans gave obama a chance during the shutdown to repeal, delay obamacare and the Democrats said NO. Therefore, let them stew in their own juices.

DO NOT lift a finger to improve this monstrosity.

The ONLY offer should be to REPEAL the whole law.

Gotcha on November 11, 2013 at 8:36 AM

I also agree with that, in addtion to that, ACT like we are trying to “get things done” (hate that phrase), but then blame the DIMs that they aren’t working to fix the problem.

Play the perception game that *they* use and let everyone partake in this sh*t sandwich.

-west

mr_west on November 11, 2013 at 10:36 AM

It would also effectively kill obama’care’, if the millions of plans were to be grandfathered…but the oafs on the right need to negotiate well, incl. the employers’ part, alas.

Always count on the Rs to be stupid, stupid, stupid.

Schadenfreude on November 11, 2013 at 12:04 PM

Anyone? How many insurance cancellation letters would have been halted or ceased being spent if DefundIt had passed?

I contend the answer is: Zero. I welcome evidence to the contrary.

Buy Danish on November 10, 2013 at 10:45 AM

Maybe no one’s answering you because you asked a meaningless and stupid question. Puff yourself up all you want, but maybe you should take the hint – stop blowing your horn, you’re attracting attention to the fact that you’re not as bright and relevant as you clearly think you are.

Midas on November 11, 2013 at 12:10 PM

LOL, Rush is talking about this now.

Murphy9 on November 11, 2013 at 12:11 PM

I say the House GOP grants a delay. a 6 month ONLY delay. They can say that it’s “To allow time to fix the ACA website.”

That would put the full implementation of Obamacare just about at June 2014, when the campaigns really start to ramp up. Americans would get the entire summer to worry and fret and freak out over Obamacare, just in time for the 2014 election season.

Muwha ha ha haaa!

wearyman on November 11, 2013 at 12:17 PM

All things considered, I’ve come to the conclusion that we’re screwed.

justltl on November 11, 2013 at 1:28 PM

1. Insurance can be sold across state lines
2. No government defined coverage levels, let insurance companies offer any plan that consumers will purchase
3. Tort reform

dmeyers1 on November 9, 2013 at 1:14 AM

Absolutely.

Absolutely not on # 3. The federal government has absolutely no business getting involved in tort reform. Show me where that’s an enumerated power. But, then again, neither is it the federal government’s job to “fix” health care.

Shump on November 11, 2013 at 1:31 PM

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