Mitch McConnell draws a line in the sand for the Tea Party

posted at 8:41 am on November 8, 2013 by Jazz Shaw

Up until now, the war between the Tea Party and the “establishment GOP” (however you define that) has been kind of one sided. Responses from the old guard have tended to run along the lines of, “we’re all fighting for the same goals, we just don’t agree on the tactics” or, more simply, “can’t we all just get along?” But this week, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell sat down with Peggy Noonan for a WSJ interview which is bound to have some tongues wagging. In it, he’s essentially taken off the gloves, and said what most of the media mavens have been repeating for months now.

“The most important election yesterday wasn’t the governor of New Jersey and it wasn’t the governor of Virginia, it was the special election for Congress in South Alabama, where a candidate who said the shutdown was a great idea, the president was born in Kenya, and that he opposed Speaker Boehner came in second.” The victory of a more electable Republican, is significant, Mr. McConnell says. To govern, parties must win. To win, parties must “run candidates that don’t scare the general public, [and] convey the impression that we could actually be responsible for governing, you can trust us—we’re adults here, we’re grown-ups.”

The tea party, he says, consists of “people who are angry and upset at government—and I agree with them.” But “I think, honestly, many of them have been misled. . . . They’ve been told the reason we can’t get to better outcomes than we’ve gotten is not because the Democrats control the Senate and the White House but because Republicans have been insufficiently feisty. Well, that’s just not true, and I think that the folks that I have difficulty with are the leaders of some of these groups who basically mislead them for profit. . . . They raise money . . . take their cut and spend it” on political action that hurts Republicans.

He also didn’t shy away from taking on the Senate Conservatives Fund.

He refers to the Senate Conservatives Fund. “That’s the one I’m prepared to be specific about.” The fund “has elected more Democrats than the Democratic Senatorial Committee over the last three cycles.” The group is targeting Mr. McConnell with ads slamming his leadership during the shutdown. “Right now they’re on the air in obvious coordination with Harry Reid’s super PAC—Harry Reid’s!—in the same markets, at roughly the same amount, at the same time.”

The last money quote for you refers specifically to the primary challenge he’s facing.

But says he isn’t worried about his own race: “I don’t wanna be overly cocky, but I’m gonna be the Republican nominee next year.”

This is about as close to an open declaration of war that McConnell has come. It would seem that the time for “let’s all go along to get along” is over, and the GOP is ready to air all the dirty laundry in public. But here’s one interesting thing for you to consider this morning. You’ll notice that Mitch didn’t say, “I’m gonna be the Senate Minority Leader after the next election” or, “I’m going to be serving in this seat for another six years.” He just said he was going to be the nominee. That sounds like his focus has shifted to the very real battle he faces on his own Right flank, rather than pretending that the Tea Party challenge is little more than the buzzing of flies and he’s focusing on his Democratic challenger.

I’m not sure how much else he can (or needs to) do at this point. McConnell has secured the early endorsements of as many big hitting Tea Party folks as he could find out of the gate, starting with Rand Paul. He’s raised money in piles he hasn’t needed in a very long time and attempted to define his opponent long before he got enough cash and clout to define himself. In short, McConnell has followed every rule in the standard election playbook to set himself up for a win, and all he can do now is hope that the voters follow predictable patterns.

But is Mitch somehow “giving permission” for everyone else in the country – from Graham to Enzi – to start putting up wanted posters of Tea Party upstarts with targets on their faces? If so, Reagan’s 11th commandment is well and truly out the window for both sides, and the primary is going to be a far more bloody affair than I’d been predicting as recently as this summer. Discuss.


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Schadenfreude

Bmore on November 8, 2013 at 10:30 AM

melle1228 on November 8, 2013 at 10:28 AM

That “diversity of thought” comment reminds me of my Liberal acquaintances always insisting on “compromise” from the Republicans in order to “get things done”.

Cleombrotus on November 8, 2013 at 10:31 AM

I didn’t see the tea party rushing to support the establishment candidates either.

Moreover, regardless of your intentions, the end result is the same, the Democrats will win and we all will lose.

/facepalm

The tea party is a frickin grassroots movement. The establishment controls the Republican party’s money. How exactly could a disorganized grassroots movement “support” establishment candidates?

Do two wrongs make a right? Moreover, while I have heard the term wacko birds from John McCain and Lindsey Graham, I didn’t hear it from anybody else. Moreover, it was the Democrats who called the GOP arsonists, terrorists, and hostage takers.

eva3071 on November 8, 2013 at 10:29 AM

Try Schock from Illinois, Try King from New York. And they are the ones who had the MSM’s ear, because the MSM looooves when Repubs eat their own especially when they are eating the ones who actually challenge Dems.

Again, wipe the “f”in martyr face off.

melle1228 on November 8, 2013 at 10:32 AM

Seriously, I would like to know if you have any proof at all that Matt Bevin is a plant? I’ve been giving his campaign money and would like to know if there is a reason to stop. Do you have anything that shows he is a plant?

Panther on November 8, 2013 at 10:05 AM

Bevin doesn’t have to be a plant to help the bad guys; being a well-intentioned dupe would be quite quite sufficient. Of course,
the mere fact that somebody like Reid might be helping Bevin isn’t necessarily a sufficient reason not to support him. But it should make you think.

I just hope that if you guys are successful in knocking off McConnell, that Bevin has been sufficiently vetted and will actually be a strong candidate. To date, the tea party’s record has been mixed in this regard. The fact is that Bevin will have to be a very, very good candidate to represent a true improvement over McConnell.

ghostwriter on November 8, 2013 at 10:32 AM

Well, with his best cabana boys, Rand and Marco applying copious amounts of Banana Boat to all of his most sensitive areas, Mitch can be pretty sure that he’s not going to get burned.

Pork-Chop on November 8, 2013 at 10:32 AM

Amusing, Ted cruz & mike lee were attacked & destroyed by the GOP establishment for Shutting the government down(Ironic that these RINO’s voted for it too)

The irony extends to the fact that every O-care ‘issue’ has been public since it’s passage in 2010, and the establishment disagrees with the ‘tactic’ of taking it on now.

Questions for the GOPe: If not now (after three years), then when? After the 2014s?

Yeah, I figured. Just like, ‘going along to get along’ with the CRs for the government’s Trillions in debt. The GOPe motive is maintaining their power, not the good of the republic. Shame on you.

socalcon on November 8, 2013 at 10:33 AM

That “diversity of thought” comment reminds me of my Liberal acquaintances always insisting on “compromise” from the Republicans in order to “get things done”.

Cleombrotus on November 8, 2013 at 10:31 AM

Yep, and the compromise always leads to Conservatives bending over.

Dems don’t compromise, and the GOPe has become an extension of that.

melle1228 on November 8, 2013 at 10:33 AM

The Senate Conservative Fund investigates all Candidates that are running for a Senate seat. It is only afterwards that they decide to support any. I signed up with SCF back in early 2009 and receive emails wanting feedback. Voters have a voice there and if anything negative about a Candidate is known, I’m sure that is taken into consideration.

The fact that they support Matt Bevin gives me confidence to support him.

There is also on their site a list of previous Candidates they supported and the amount of funds given to them.

bluefox on November 8, 2013 at 10:21 AM

Thanks, makes me feel better. Not a citizen of Kentucky but I’ll do what I can to get rid of McConnell for the rest of the country. I’ve read Matt’s campaign website and he sounds like a terrific individual. Really don’t like it when people make this accusations of being a plant without any proof at all.

Panther on November 8, 2013 at 10:34 AM

As I see it, the establishment GOP fear their loss of power to the TEA Party faction, while they’re comfortable with their impotence in governance.

The TEA Party faction recognize the ineffectual incumbents (GOP and Dem alike), and are willing to challenge them for their seats.

socalcon on November 8, 2013 at 10:26 AM

I haven’t seen any tea party candidates challenge any Democrat for their seat in the primaries. And the ones that do challenge them in the general election usually lose. Usually.

When do conservatives say we like diversity of thought?

Cleombrotus on November 8, 2013 at 10:26 AM

We think for ourselves, and when we see NONE of our interests being taken seriously; why vote for that person.

Party people have forgotten that votes are earned… I don’t see the GOP doing ANYTHING to earn my votes.

melle1228 on November 8, 2013 at 10:19 AM

eva3071 on November 8, 2013 at 10:34 AM

The Tea Party can only be as strong as its candidates. We are already facing an uphill battle because these RINOs have the cash, the experience, and the RNC machine behind them. The TP is grassroots. How do we get conservatives elected if our candidates come across as loons because they aren’t as experienced in campaigning?

neyney on November 8, 2013 at 9:57 AM

Which is why we need candidates WITH campaign experience, who have been elected to office before, such as governor, state treasurer or Attorney General, House member, state senator, or mayor of a big city. This is especially important in Senate (statewide) races, where most of the electorate is concentrated in a few large cities and their suburbs. These candidates can stand on conservative principles but also be aware of the everyday concerns of those living and working in large cities and their suburbs. It does no good for a candidate to get 80% of the rural vote and only 20% of the urban vote, because there aren’t enough rural voters to make up the deficit in the cities. We need candidates that can get at least 40% of the urban vote and win big margins in the suburbs, who can campaign in those areas and explain to those living there how conservatism works better for them than liberalism.

Steve Z on November 8, 2013 at 10:35 AM

Conservatives are conservatives because they have principles, and stick to them. McConnell is a squish. He just loves big government as much as the Progressives.

kirkill on November 8, 2013 at 10:35 AM

…I can say this, the next 50 years will belong to the Democrats if the GOP Civil War goes full swing…

eva3071 on November 8, 2013 at 10:13 AM

Party people have forgotten that votes are earned… I don’t see the GOP doing ANYTHING to earn my votes.

melle1228 on November 8, 2013 at 10:19 AM

Yes and Yes. My notion-de-jour (likely to change any moment due to lack of confidence and crystal-ball) is that the GOP must be quickly and largely displaced by tea.

And (repeating) it seems encouraging to me that so few tea on the Hill have already earned the ire of the establishment. That seems like a lot of bang for the buck so far.

Tsar of Earth on November 8, 2013 at 10:35 AM

Mc Connell continues the GOP line that has brought us Obama and Obamacare. Like Obama, he see himself as a dictator to the people instead of representing the people. He doesn’t want to miss out on the extortion racket the GOP & Dems have created for themselves. Throw all these lifer politicians out. They are too smug and arrogant to represent anyone other than themselves.

Charm on November 8, 2013 at 10:35 AM

The chinless wonder has no intention of fighting for an alternative agenda to Obamacare or amnesty.

wraithby on November 8, 2013 at 10:36 AM

Whats worse, is ‘ol Turtle Face will be using the impact of the commie Pravda media to wage his battle against TP opposition. He knows they will “get his back” as it is The Tea Party the leftists fear the Most.
.
The enemy of Mitchy’s enemy is more than just his friend.
Turtle Face will be slave to the ProgTard Media that will protect him against the evils of the Tea Party.

FlaMurph on November 8, 2013 at 10:36 AM

eva3071 on November 8, 2013 at 10:34 AM

Ahhh so you think because I am Conservative and don’t espouse to GOPe’s and the Democrats line of thinking that I don’t have “diversity of thought.”

I would venture to guess that as a Conservative you couldn’t tell my position on any of these issues:

gay marriage
Abortion
Legalization of drugs
Taxes

melle1228 on November 8, 2013 at 10:36 AM

Eat sh*t McConnell and GOP. I no longer donate time nor money to the RNC. Sorry old man.

Mr. Arrogant on November 8, 2013 at 10:38 AM

bluefox on November 8, 2013 at 9:54 AM

I see. And how many Republicans voted for the so-called “Affordable Care Act”?

ghostwriter on November 8, 2013 at 9:58 AM

None that I know of. But when push came to shove, they caved.

They cast a lot of symbolic votes, style over substance. Meaningless in other words.

bluefox on November 8, 2013 at 10:38 AM

After, the 2010 landslide that gave the GOP the house and seats in the senate because of the Tea party uprising. Do you know how many seats the tea party was given in leadership in the house and senate. That would be a big zero. By the way, their are 84 members of the tea party caucus in the house. Fast forward to today, with roughly half of the republican electorate agreeing with tea party small government views do you know how many tea party members are in leadership. Still zero.

Then you get Rove, the RNC, congressional committee, senate committee, RGA all saying they are going to pick and fund our primary candidate. That they will spend whatever they have to to beat and destroy a tea party candidate.

This is the same party that has given us McCain, Romney and now setting up Christie. Because of their actions, the country is being destroyed.

When is enough. enough!!!!

Danielvito on November 8, 2013 at 10:38 AM

The tea party is a frickin grassroots movement. The establishment controls the Republican party’s money. How exactly could a disorganized grassroots movement “support” establishment candidates?

You answered your own question.

Try Schock from Illinois, Try King from New York. And they are the ones who had the MSM’s ear, because the MSM looooves when Repubs eat their own especially when they are eating the ones who actually challenge Dems.

Again, wipe the “f”in martyr face off.

melle1228 on November 8, 2013 at 10:32 AM

So if you are going to generalize those two Republicans to mean the whole establishment, can everyone else also use Akin and O’Donnell to smear the tea party as well.

eva3071 on November 8, 2013 at 10:39 AM

I haven’t seen any tea party candidates challenge any Democrat for their seat in the primaries. And the ones that do challenge them in the general election usually lose. Usually.

Are you insane? Your suggested strategy is to change governance by accumulating votes in the primary of the party that ideology is 180 degrees different than your position?

Step. Away. From. The. Keyboard.
Help. Is. On. The. Way.

socalcon on November 8, 2013 at 10:39 AM

Bevin doesn’t have to be a plant to help the bad guys; being a well-intentioned dupe would be quite quite sufficient. Of course

I believe we refer to those types as useful idiots.

eva3071 on November 8, 2013 at 10:39 AM

These Senators who are up for re-election saw what happened to people like Charlie Crist and Arlen Spector in 2010 and this is their response. Candidates actually courted the TEA Party in 2010 for their votes. They obviously believe if they win the primary, conservatives will have no one else to vote for but them, and maybe they are right. I just know I will never vote for a non-conservative Establishment RINO ever again.

lea on November 8, 2013 at 10:40 AM

Amnesty is gonna be another emotional issue used by the democrats…and we’ll be bludgeoned by it.

The best way to fight that is to focus on border security first…

Everybody can agree on border security because of the Cartels.

It’s a good tactic.

workingclass artist on November 8, 2013 at 10:04 AM

Agreed.
I think the GOP might also have a good argument in not wanting to pass anything “comprehensive”. They can point to Obamacare as an example of how that turns out.

lynncgb on November 8, 2013 at 10:30 AM

It’s gonna be a slog.

The GOP is looking at a simple political reality and conservatives don’t like it.

The reality is that hard rock place the GOP finds themselves in.

If Amnesty is passed the GOP will lose the WH for a long time as the US bounces from one teflon identity candidate to another.

If Amnesty doesn’t pass they lose congressional seats.

Big Business is jumping onboard the amnesty wagon as a way of avoiding Obamacare for a while and in bluer states appeasing the unions…among other reasons…

The GOP is looking at the demographics and the polls…And what they see isn’t pretty.

The best way to avoid this political trap is to separate the two issues.

Border Security First.

Perry knew this and tried to do it in the last GOP primary…And he was pilloried for it.

Have to win the White House to secure the Borders.

Maybe now folks will listen?

workingclass artist on November 8, 2013 at 10:40 AM

Regarding Republican Senator McConnell herein:
1. Ear Marks down to his toes.
2. Gold bands around his neck from our tax money.
3. ” I can work with marxist and commies and ya John Kerry was in the Senate , ya he was a traitor but,, ya see he was a member of my club so I made deals with him.
4. If “you people” send guys up here and stir up facts and issues that cause me trouble making deals with the commies marxist and loon liberal Democrats then I going to call out the trial lawyers on you and take their dirty money too.
5. Don’t “you people” understand Pres. Obama is just one more of a long line of hate America Democrats we been making deals with.

We get it Mitch, we just change it out to “B” when we talk about you.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on November 8, 2013 at 10:41 AM

I just honestly do not get this “undistinguishable from the Democrats” argument. At all. Nobody seems to understand how really vast and potentially destructive Barack Obama’s original agenda was, and how much of it has been thwarted despite some that obviously hasn’t.

They have turned back Cap and Trade. They have gotten most of the Bush tax rates made permanent, which was no small deal at all considering how much more taxes Obama and Reid wanted. They got a sequester deal that is driving Democrats insane now. These may seem like small things to you but they are not. Really, since 2010 Obama’s agenda has been completely stalled.

It isn’t Mitch McConnell’s fault that Mitt Romney won the GOP nomination in 2012 and ran a horrible campaign, so that Obamacare could not be repealed.

rockmom on November 8, 2013 at 10:09 AM

Democratic Senators in coal-producing states would have voted against C&T.

Tax cuts are great but Russia has a low flat tax. Why isn’t their economy booming? Because it isn’t the taxes, it’s the regulation. The GOP in this country does not fight the expansion of the regulatory nanny state.

Like I said, the GOP controlled Congress and the presidency for five full years. Were any regulations rolled back? Were any federal departments cut? Were there any cuts in spending at all? Even the “draconian spending cuts” of the sequester were only reductions in the increase in spending, not real spending cuts at all.

Guys like McConnell are happy being in control of the leviathan state. They talk about cutting it but never act. Even if Romney had won, I don’t believe they’d be talking repeal. They’d just want to tinker with it.

It’s time to have a “come to Jesus” meeting and apparently we’re going to have to take quite a few of them to the woodshed before they’ll come.

Kafir on November 8, 2013 at 10:43 AM

If McConnell pointed as much ire at democrats…you had a good run Mitch. Your time is done.

DanMan on November 8, 2013 at 10:43 AM

Are you insane? Your suggested strategy is to change governance by accumulating votes in the primary of the party that ideology is 180 degrees different than your position?

Step. Away. From. The. Keyboard.
Help. Is. On. The. Way.

socalcon on November 8, 2013 at 10:39 AM

Is this not what you said?

The TEA Party faction recognize the ineffectual incumbents (GOP and Dem alike), and are willing to challenge them for their seats.

Ahhh so you think because I am Conservative and don’t espouse to GOPe’s and the Democrats line of thinking that I don’t have “diversity of thought.”

I didn’t say that, you did.

eva3071 on November 8, 2013 at 10:44 AM

So if you are going to generalize those two Republicans to mean the whole establishment, can everyone else also use Akin and O’Donnell to smear the tea party as well.

eva3071 on November 8, 2013 at 10:39 AM

LOL- By your own count we are now up to FOUR who went on every show imaginable to scream this crap.

AND THIS HAS BEEN SAID OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN… TODD F78KIN AKIN WAS NOT A TEA PARTY CANDIDATE.

melle1228 on November 8, 2013 at 10:44 AM

When do conservatives say we like diversity of thought?

Cleombrotus on November 8, 2013 at 10:26 AM

We think for ourselves

melle1228 on November 8, 2013 at 10:19 AM

eva3071 on November 8, 2013 at 10:34 AM

I don’t think “diversity of thought” means what you think it means. “Diversity of thought” means an aggregate of all thought however conflicting or contradictory. “Thinking for one’s self” means not needing anyone else to inform one’s thoughts or ideas, like, you now, the Mainstream media or the cultural elites.

Cleombrotus on November 8, 2013 at 10:45 AM

Democrats are playing dirty and playing to win. This scenario is going to play out in other races if we let it.

rockmom on November 8, 2013 at 9:42 AM

You can be CERTAIN that Dems will be playing dirty this election cycle. They will gladly align themselves with the Senate Conservatives Fund to help nominate the unelectable candidate. Reid did it in 2010 and McCaskill did it in 2012. Two seats the GOP should have had in the bag.

ncconservative on November 8, 2013 at 10:45 AM

Understand this America.

Once this Obama Care gets in place and the Republicans are in power, it will be they who use Obama Care on U.S..

Think of the odds the Republicans if they had 2/3′s of the Senate, 3/4′s of the House and the Pres. a Republican,, that they would repeal the Obama Care law……..

100 to 1 or more….? Ya not a chance.

They all lust to rule over U.S. total.

That is why they want the 20 million Mexican illegals as they are used to the top down rule of a corupt system of central goverment.

They all lie.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on November 8, 2013 at 10:45 AM

The GOP is looking at a simple political reality and conservatives don’t like it.

Interestingly, that is probably why conservatives will increasingly become marginalized as time goes forward.

eva3071 on November 8, 2013 at 10:46 AM

Anybody in the leadership will have to work with the Dems to accomplish anything substantive. And anybody that works with the Dems will get smeared as a RINO.

ghostwriter on November 8, 2013 at 10:15 AM

Man, there’s something wrong with this.

Cleombrotus on November 8, 2013 at 10:22 AM

Nope. There’s not a thing wrong with it. That’s how leadership works in a democratic constitutional republic work. Take a look at what happened with Obamacare to see how well jamming a major piece of legislation through on a party-line vote will work out in the end. A big part of the reason that Obama has been such a miserable failure as president (aside from his leftist ideology) is the fact that he doesn’t understand the need to build a consensus to govern. That’s why his “signature piece of legislation” is doomed to failure, and will largely be repealed in the coming years.

Rubio may have been misguided in the particulars of the policy that he was supporting, but the impulse to build consensus is correct. Anybody that wants to lead has to have it, and anybody in a leadership role–like McConnell– has to practice it. Flaming somebody like that from the cheap seats is easy, but actually governing is hard.

ghostwriter on November 8, 2013 at 10:46 AM

I didn’t say that, you did.

eva3071 on November 8, 2013 at 10:44 AM

No, you completely misunderstood that exchange(big surprise there).

We are conservatives, so espousing views of Democrats and defacto Democrats is not something we do. That doesn’t mean that conservatism is a lock step ideology either.

I am sure that Democrats disagree on certain principles but when it comes down to it they vote for Dems.

Conservatives disagree on certain principles, but when it comes down to it- we vote for CONSERVATIVES.

melle1228 on November 8, 2013 at 10:46 AM

It’s time to have a “come to Jesus” meeting and apparently we’re going to have to take quite a few of them to the woodshed before they’ll come.

Kafir on November 8, 2013 at 10:43 AM

Excellent response, also it was the GOP house that ultimately killed C&T even though Harry Reid was afraid to bring it up in the senate.

DanMan on November 8, 2013 at 10:47 AM

I don’t think “diversity of thought” means what you think it means. “Diversity of thought” means an aggregate of all thought however conflicting or contradictory. “Thinking for one’s self” means not needing anyone else to inform one’s thoughts or ideas, like, you now, the Mainstream media or the cultural elites.

Cleombrotus on November 8, 2013 at 10:45 AM

You said it so much more eloquent than I. I don’t have a lot of patience anymore.

melle1228 on November 8, 2013 at 10:48 AM

None that I know of. But when push came to shove, they caved.

They cast a lot of symbolic votes, style over substance. Meaningless in other words.

bluefox on November 8, 2013 at 10:38 AM

I missed that part. When did that happen?

ghostwriter on November 8, 2013 at 10:48 AM

They’ve been told the reason we can’t get to better outcomes than we’ve gotten is not because the Democrats control the Senate and the White House but because Republicans have been insufficiently feisty.

Well I’m glad to see you are willing to get “sufficiently feisty” with someone; it’s just the wrong someones. We would like our representatives to get “sufficiently feisty” with the Dems instead of asking them “how far?” every time they tell you to bend over because you like your office with all these neat perks ‘n stuff.

ghostwalker1 on November 8, 2013 at 10:48 AM

McConnell supports flag-burning free speech, but he stifles the speech of anyone (SCF, Jamestown) who dares speak out against him.

This one hypocrisy strikes at the very heart of his credibility.

He needs to go.

DavidAllen on November 8, 2013 at 10:48 AM

Just because their were a few conservatives who didn’t think that going along with Ted Cruz was a good idea they were called surrender weasels and traitors. That suggests that true conservatives don’t like diversity of thought like you say they do.

eva3071 on November 8, 2013 at 10:24 AM

I’m sure the millions that are getting their Health Care Policies cancelled wished that Defunding it would have prevailed.

The R’s as well as the Dems, and of course the Media knew the grandfather clause was amended in June of 2010 by Sebelius. The R’s can’t say they didn’t know, since Senator Mike Enzi proposed a Resolution to remove it in Sept. 2010. The Dems defeated it, but both sides knew about it. They all kept their mouths shut is my point.

Oh and your definition of “few” needs clarification. Out of 46 R Senators that voted for Cloture, only 19 voted with Senator Cruz. So your “few” is 27.

bluefox on November 8, 2013 at 10:49 AM

Kafir on November 8, 2013 at 10:43 AM

He who states his case first seems right,
until the other comes and examines him. Proverbs 18:17

Thanks for that.

Cleombrotus on November 8, 2013 at 10:49 AM

Guys like McConnell are happy being in control of the leviathan state. They talk about cutting it but never act. Even if Romney had won, I don’t believe they’d be talking repeal. They’d just want to tinker with it.

It’s time to have a “come to Jesus” meeting and apparently we’re going to have to take quite a few of them to the woodshed before they’ll come.

Kafir on November 8, 2013 at 10:43 AM

Romney is a tinkerer by nature…It’s his shtick.

So I guess it depends on the candidate.

Even Reagan signed abortion legislation when he was governor of California…and he was a conservative.

Reagan also had his priorities and picked his battles…and he was a leader.

As long as we are prone to personality cults and purity tests instead of looking at the overall record of governance we will remain fractured…imho

And fractured is where the democrats want us…Divide and Conquer.

workingclass artist on November 8, 2013 at 10:50 AM

I’m sure the millions that are getting their Health Care Policies cancelled wished that Defunding it would have prevailed.

The R’s as well as the Dems, and of course the Media knew the grandfather clause was amended in June of 2010 by Sebelius. The R’s can’t say they didn’t know, since Senator Mike Enzi proposed a Resolution to remove it in Sept. 2010. The Dems defeated it, but both sides knew about it. They all kept their mouths shut is my point.
Oh and your definition of “few” needs clarification. Out of 46 R Senators that voted for Cloture, only 19 voted with Senator Cruz. So your “few” is 27.

bluefox on November 8, 2013 at 10:49 AM

THIS ^^

They don’t want to make waves.

Heck, the Repubs just voted to let ENDA out of cloture too. ENDA ensures that more private business will now get sued if they don’t fall in lock step to the GLBT mafia.

melle1228 on November 8, 2013 at 10:50 AM

The Senate Conservative Fund investigates all Candidates that are running for a Senate seat. It is only afterwards that they decide to support any. I signed up with SCF back in early 2009 and receive emails wanting feedback. Voters have a voice there and if anything negative about a Candidate is known, I’m sure that is taken into consideration.

The fact that they support Matt Bevin gives me confidence to support him.

There is also on their site a list of previous Candidates they supported and the amount of funds given to them.

bluefox on November 8, 2013 at 10:21 AM

Thanks for doing the legwork on this, I was genuinely worried about Bevin for a little while there.

I didn’t see the tea party rushing to support the establishment candidates either.

Look, we had GOP leaders going on TV and openly attacking insurgent candidates who had won their primaries in 2010 – and this AFTER the Tea Party worked its butt off to get moderate Scott Brown elected. There were no negative consequences for anyone who went after the Tea Party in 2010. It happened again in 2012 and then we had blistering waves of attacks against Cruz in the press for weeks this year plus there’s what Bolling did to Cuccinelli. It’s worth noting that the GOP found plenty of ways to punish Cruz by attacking him constantly in the press and threatening Lee’s re-election.

On the other hand, we’ve never seen a whisper of criticism of John McCain or any of these other Republicans who gleefully rip the Tea Party to shreds. There are no “senior GOP advisers” leaking to Politico that say “John McCain and Lindsey Graham had better shut those flapping jaws if they know what’s good for ‘em!”

The GOP started this fight, has total responsibility for it, and it’s up to them to pull in their horns.

Doomberg on November 8, 2013 at 10:51 AM

Interestingly, that is probably why conservatives will increasingly become marginalized as time goes forward.

eva3071 on November 8, 2013 at 10:46 AM

Wake up and smell the coffee, eva, we’re already marginalized.

Cleombrotus on November 8, 2013 at 10:52 AM

LOL- By your own count we are now up to FOUR who went on every show imaginable to scream this crap.

AND THIS HAS BEEN SAID OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN… TODD F78KIN AKIN WAS NOT A TEA PARTY CANDIDATE.

melle1228 on November 8, 2013 at 10:44 AM

My count was two, not four. My point still stands, you are applying a double standard. It doesn’t really matter whether or not you believe Akin wasn’t a tea party candidate. The tea party here in Missouri (which I was a part of) backed him nonetheless.

I don’t think “diversity of thought” means what you think it means. “Diversity of thought” means an aggregate of all thought however conflicting or contradictory. “Thinking for one’s self” means not needing anyone else to inform one’s thoughts or ideas, like, you now, the Mainstream media or the cultural elites.

Cleombrotus on November 8, 2013 at 10:45 AM

My point is, if conservatives by nature think for themselves, then also by nature they are going to come up with different ideas than other conservatives. After all, the left has the groupthink done right down to a tee. One advantage that conservatives are supposed to have is that we don’t succumb to the danger of groupthink that easily, yet I am increasingly seeing it happen recently.

eva3071 on November 8, 2013 at 10:52 AM

My count was two, not four. My point still stands, you are applying a double standard. It doesn’t really matter whether or not you believe Akin wasn’t a tea party candidate. The tea party here in Missouri (which I was a part of) backed him nonetheless.

YOu mean after he won the primary? Wasn’t that what you wanted was the tea party to support the establishment candidates? Make up your mind chick..

And the count is FOUR: McCain, Schock, King, Graham.. And five if you count all the bulling and name calling O’Connell did in his private meetings.

melle1228 on November 8, 2013 at 10:55 AM

What’s amazing to me, with NO MONEY, the tea party in 3 years has been such a force that the dems and GOP establishment have been doing an alinsky on them. This has been done with NO FREAKIN MONEY, just grassroots.

So what do the powerbrokers like McConnell do, instead of embracing them they attack them. Why, because they will lose their power of spending us into bankruptcy.

To the GOP/DEM establishment, it doesn’t matter who is in power because the spending gravy train keeps going. Enter the tea party who want to turn off the facet. So what does the establishment of both parties do they attack.

If you notice the attacks by McConnell are very similar to democratic attacks on the tea party. Remember, we are in the middle of Obama lying over 40 times about people not losing their current insurance if they don’t want too, So what’s on McConnell’s mind, the tea party. Incredible!

Danielvito on November 8, 2013 at 10:55 AM

The chinless wonder has no intention of fighting for an alternative agenda to Obamacare or amnesty.

wraithby on November 8, 2013 at 10:36 AM

Exactly. And so it makes no difference if he or some random Dem make it to the Senate.

magicbeans on November 8, 2013 at 10:55 AM

Voter turn out.

Voters will not turn out to vote for these “me too” Democrat lite Republicans who say out loud, “I get along with hate America Commies” and I can make deals with them that end up bad for you, vote for me types.

Clear as a bell.

Now why is it that the Republican leadership does not get the fat cats to work with big bucks to get more conservatives reg. to vote and to the polls in primaries and general elections?

Why not if that is the sure cure.

Why not”

Why?

APACHEWHOKNOWS on November 8, 2013 at 10:55 AM

If you notice the attacks by McConnell are very similar to democratic attacks on the tea party. Remember, we are in the middle of Obama lying over 40 times about people not losing their current insurance if they don’t want too, So what’s on McConnell’s mind, the tea party. Incredible!

Danielvito on November 8, 2013 at 10:55 AM

This. A thousand times this.

magicbeans on November 8, 2013 at 10:56 AM

And fractured is where the democrats want us…Divide and Conquer.

workingclass artist on November 8, 2013 at 10:50 AM

It wouldn’t surprise me to see that behind the civil war is the strings coming from Democrats fueling both sides of the conflict.

Wake up and smell the coffee, eva, we’re already marginalized.

Cleombrotus on November 8, 2013 at 10:52 AM

Then why bother fighting the establishment. Either way, the result will be the Democrats winning according to your point of view.

eva3071 on November 8, 2013 at 10:57 AM

“Two Party Evil Money Cult”

Mitch is in the middle of the mud puddle.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on November 8, 2013 at 10:57 AM

but the impulse to build consensus is correct. Anybody that wants to lead has to have it, and anybody in a leadership role–like McConnell– has to practice it. Flaming somebody like that from the cheap seats is easy, but actually governing is hard.

ghostwriter on November 8, 2013 at 10:46 AM

Well, in my experiences, whenever I wanted to “build consensus” with those whose ideas ran counter to mine (for example, in Evangelism) my usual method is to try to change their way of thinking, not adjust mine to conform with theirs simply because there’s more of them than there are of mine, you know?

Cleombrotus on November 8, 2013 at 10:58 AM

Mitch is so “feisty” with the Dems they gave him a dam in Kentucky for his vote…
If Mitch wants to declare civil war, so be it. Same he won’t declare war on the Socialists across the aisle. You know, decorum and all that.
Term limits is a dream of regular Americans and a nightmare for the elite politicians in DC.

d1carter on November 8, 2013 at 10:58 AM

To govern, parties must win.

Winning has never resulted in the GOP GOVERNING. Every time we win with an establishment puke – HE GOES OFF AND PROPOSES AMNESTY – OR NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND – OR MEDICARE PART D.

I’m sorry – but the establishment is JUST ANOTHER socialist party – it just happens to be embedded within the Republican party – it just happens to control the purse strings of the Republican party – but I’m not interested in seeing the establishment WIN – or Govern – because I’ve seen what happens when they do.

HondaV65 on November 8, 2013 at 10:58 AM

The GOP is looking at a simple political reality and conservatives don’t like it.

Interestingly, that is probably why conservatives will increasingly become marginalized as time goes forward.

eva3071 on November 8, 2013 at 10:46 AM

Well they don’t have to be.

Conservatives need to win…not just elections but also the argument.

We do this on many fronts and back it up with evidence people can understand.

As states and municipalities continue to go bankrupt…we’ll need to shift the focus off the social issues and on to economics.

Conservative governance works and we need to sell it.

workingclass artist on November 8, 2013 at 10:59 AM

Rand Paul better come out against McConnell… Oh wait, he can’t because the Paul family business is working the McConell reelection.

Never thought Rand Paul would turn out to be a %100 fraud but he is.

Better get back to editing Wikipedia.

tetriskid on November 8, 2013 at 10:59 AM

Heck, the Repubs just voted to let ENDA out of cloture too. ENDA ensures that more private business will now get sued if they don’t fall in lock step to the GLBT mafia.

melle1228 on November 8, 2013 at 10:50 AM

ENDA is an awful issue for the Republicans. The best thing to defeat it, is to let it quietly languish forgotten in the House, and not to allow the Dems use it (and a Republican filibuster) to distract from the Obamacare meltdown.

ghostwriter on November 8, 2013 at 10:59 AM

Then why bother fighting the establishment. Either way, the result will be the Democrats winning according to your point of view.

eva3071 on November 8, 2013 at 10:57 AM

Who is “fighting” the establishment. Most of us are just supporting candidates that espouse and reflect our ideology. For most of us, this doesn’t include people who don’t make waves or fight the other side.

(gasp) You mean voters vote for the candidate who is most like them ideological.. Scandalous I tell you, Scandalous.//

melle1228 on November 8, 2013 at 10:59 AM

Maybe if Mitch McConnell had actually PRODUCED SOME CONSERVATIVE SHIT once or twice since he’s been in office – he might not be in this predicament.

HondaV65 on November 8, 2013 at 11:00 AM

the tea party has complained loudly that the establishment repubs aren’t stopping or even slowing the growth of government. they aren’t offering alternative ideas and when they “compromise” they get nothing in return.

are these complaints really out of line??? can we not expect more from our politicians?? or is it just because “that’s the way things work in washington” that we should accept that? maybe it’s 2013 and the “way things work in washington” are outdated and need to change.

jetch on November 8, 2013 at 11:00 AM

Message to Conservative media…..

Stop playing audio of the liar we have in the White House. Every time I hear his voice I turn off the radio, television, etc.

Why do I need to hear him lie again?

He’s nothing more than a tanned mashup of Nixon and Wilson, with the wide grin of Jimmy Carter and the dictatorial First Lady like Hillary Clinton along for the ride.


I can’t even stand to hear most of these politicians voices anymore. They are such liars.

PappyD61 on November 8, 2013 at 11:00 AM

Then why bother fighting the establishment. Either way, the result will be the Democrats winning according to your point of view.

eva3071 on November 8, 2013 at 10:57 AM

I’d rather the Dimmocrits turn this nation into a Marxist haven than see the Republican establishment do it.

HondaV65 on November 8, 2013 at 11:01 AM

We fix it or it will fail.

This two party evil money cult if it remains will spend U.S. broken and disolved with no Constitution intact, no rule of law, no justice and in a place where the big cities are war zones.

Then we will have to fix that.

Clear it is we fix this broken Republican party that “knows not what it does”.

That is the best solution for all, even these hate America Democrats and their voters will be better off when we fix the problem.

It is real, we are the solution. Do not be distracted by the chaff and rodents thrown out by the msm and the two party cult.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on November 8, 2013 at 11:02 AM

ENDA is an awful issue for the Republicans. The best thing to defeat it, is to let it quietly languish forgotten in the House, and not to allow the Dems use it (and a Republican filibuster) to distract from the Obamacare meltdown.

ghostwriter on November 8, 2013 at 10:59 AM

IF the house doesn’t vote for it. YOU have much more confidence in them than I do.

And ENDA wouldn’t be an awful issue for the GOP, if we had some idiots that could articulate why ENDA is anti-freedom, and more government intervention. ENDA is similar to Obamacare where religious gets an exemption, but it is the government who decides.

And a little known fact, especially since the GOP never f78kin fights is that the DEMS have been trying to strip the religious exemption anyways.

melle1228 on November 8, 2013 at 11:02 AM

Well, in my experiences, whenever I wanted to “build consensus” with those whose ideas ran counter to mine (for example, in Evangelism) my usual method is to try to change their way of thinking, not adjust mine to conform with theirs simply because there’s more of them than there are of mine, you know?

Cleombrotus on November 8, 2013 at 10:58 AM

Persuasion is a powerful thing…Reagan was adept at it.

workingclass artist on November 8, 2013 at 11:02 AM

bluefox on November 8, 2013 at 10:21 AM

Thanks, makes me feel better. Not a citizen of Kentucky but I’ll do what I can to get rid of McConnell for the rest of the country. I’ve read Matt’s campaign website and he sounds like a terrific individual. Really don’t like it when people make this accusations of being a plant without any proof at all.

Panther on November 8, 2013 at 10:34 AM

I hadn’t heard of Bevin being a plant until it was mentioned on this thread. Also, hadn’t heard that Reid is supporting him. That most likely would be a dirty trick by Reid imo if true. Haven’t seen any proof of that either. Whoever posted either one, needs to supply a link/proof.

Perhaps I’ll contact Bevin and ask him if Reid is supporting him and may contact SCF also.

I don’t live in KY either, but keep an eye on the Nationals as I’m sure you do. I’m pretty active actually, via phone calls/faxes etc. to the Senate & House. I start out in my own State and branch out:-)

bluefox on November 8, 2013 at 11:03 AM

Then why bother fighting the establishment. Either way, the result will be the Democrats winning according to your point of view.

eva3071 on November 8, 2013 at 10:57 AM

eva, with me, it’s never about “winning”; it’s about principle.

Cleombrotus on November 8, 2013 at 11:04 AM

melle1228 on November 8, 2013 at 10:59 AM

That’s so cute.

I’d rather the Dimmocrits turn this nation into a Marxist haven than see the Republican establishment do it.

HondaV65 on November 8, 2013 at 11:01 AM

The end result is still the same. The result is the only thing that matters, and you HondaV65, is a disgusting part of the result.

eva3071 on November 8, 2013 at 11:05 AM

eva, with me, it’s never about “winning”; it’s about principle.

Cleombrotus on November 8, 2013 at 11:04 AM

I am an agnostic, but even I can appreciate the beauty of the Bible:

Matthew 16:26
What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?

melle1228 on November 8, 2013 at 11:05 AM

I haven’t seen any tea party candidates challenge any Democrat for their seat in the primaries. And the ones that do challenge them in the general election usually lose. Usually.
eva3071 on November 8, 2013 at 10:34 AM

Well, cleaning up our own Party would be a priority. Can’t hardly complain about the neighbor kids when your own are misbehaving.

bluefox on November 8, 2013 at 11:06 AM

Frogman

Schadenfreude on November 8, 2013 at 11:07 AM

The Republican Party has proven ineffective. We want a change of direction and it hasn’t happened over the past 20 years. When you say a “pox on both parties” it means exactly that. Stay away from them or you’ll get infected too.

If the candidate isn’t a true conservative but a Democrat-lite Republican, why give them the vote? Both parties have one interest at heart – power, retaining that power, money to pad their own accounts, and siphoning tax dollars for their special interests.

Since the country is going to hell in a hand basket, why help it along by electing people who only grease the skids?

iamsaved on November 8, 2013 at 11:07 AM

eva, with me, it’s never about “winning”; it’s about principle.

Cleombrotus on November 8, 2013 at 11:04 AM

Principles don’t matter if they don’t get results. Moreover, Democrats have principles. They also have the “ends justify the means” mentality as well. Ergo, they will eventually win in the end.

eva3071 on November 8, 2013 at 11:08 AM

Do a public filing for a Divorce from the tax and spend Republicans he go along clan.

Tell them we are going to take the kids, the House and Senate, and the retirement fund.

They will quit whoreing around and stay home and do the right thing if we just tell them we are going to load the kids in the car and leave them to cook for themselves.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on November 8, 2013 at 11:08 AM

And yet the true conservatives didn’t even prop Cuccinelli up until the last week when everyone got surprised by how close the race was. And, then there was the shutdown strategy that nearly doomed Cuccinelli…

eva3071 on November 8, 2013 at 10:16 AM

BS. The Senate Conservative group was helping fund Cuccinelli way before the last week. I sent money twice because I loated the dem running against him.

Vince on November 8, 2013 at 11:09 AM

to Mitch McConnel “Nobody said if you like your job, you can keep your job.” Time for you and the rest of the RINO’s to leave town and let someone who has a pair run things. And I’m supporting whoever primaries Alexander here in TN, I’ve already told him several times what a squishy girly man he is.

Mini-14 on November 8, 2013 at 11:09 AM

Ya, and conservative radio tv etal.

Please quit playing that guys voice, your depressing U.S. all.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on November 8, 2013 at 11:09 AM

loated

loathed

Vince on November 8, 2013 at 11:10 AM

Principles don’t matter if they don’t get results. Moreover, Democrats have principles. They also have the “ends justify the means” mentality as well. Ergo, they will eventually win in the end.

eva3071 on November 8, 2013 at 11:08 AM

So, you are fine with how things have been going? But if anybody actually tries to stop corruption they are the problem?

Makes sense.

Just so you know that was Einsteins definition of insanity.

tetriskid on November 8, 2013 at 11:10 AM

It wouldn’t surprise me to see that behind the civil war is the strings coming from Democrats fueling both sides of the conflict.

eva3071 on November 8, 2013 at 10:57 AM

Well, seeing that the media is an adjunct arm of the DNC, you are correct in that. They will focus on and embellish their reports of GOP infighting to frame the narrative to their liking and encourage the masses to form the politically correct version of events. The version that will be most favorable to the Democrats, of course.

It should infuriate you.

Cleombrotus on November 8, 2013 at 11:10 AM

Well, cleaning up our own Party would be a priority. Can’t hardly complain about the neighbor kids when your own are misbehaving.

bluefox on November 8, 2013 at 11:06 AM

Except I have seen numerous upon numerous posters vow that they are no longer with the Republican party. It is no longer their party, so why should they be responsible for trying to clean it up?

eva3071 on November 8, 2013 at 11:11 AM

How does a candidate become a candidate. Normally, they are filtered thru the party colonoscopy. To be approved, they MUST vote with leadership. If they are good boys & girls they will get funding. If they stray, they will be ostracized and someone will challenge them.

Along comes these principled tea party people who have no money just want smaller government. Their crime, they are challenging the statis quo. To McConnell, Boner, Rove they must be destroyed. Very sad!

Danielvito on November 8, 2013 at 11:11 AM

Maybe if Mitch McConnell had actually PRODUCED SOME CONSERVATIVE SHIT once or twice since he’s been in office – he might not be in this predicament.

HondaV65 on November 8, 2013 at 11:00 AM

I don’t that’s the real problem. The problem is that when the tough, bloody fights come there is never a RINO at the ramparts. Never. As in, never. We’ve learned who they really are. There is no un-learning it. It’s over.

rrpjr on November 8, 2013 at 11:11 AM

Then why bother fighting the establishment. Either way, the result will be the Democrats winning according to your point of view.

eva3071 on November 8, 2013 at 10:57 AM

Who is “fighting” the establishment. Most of us are just supporting candidates that espouse and reflect our ideology. For most of us, this doesn’t include people who don’t make waves or fight the other side.

(gasp) You mean voters vote for the candidate who is most like them ideological.. Scandalous I tell you, Scandalous.//

melle1228 on November 8, 2013 at 10:59 AM

I tend to look at an overall record of governance first and see how that jives with my ideology

I don’t have to agree with everything a politician says.

It’s the bigger picture I look at and the pattern of governance.

workingclass artist on November 8, 2013 at 11:11 AM

I would like to say I’m surprised, but really, McConnell?

Traditionally, as a whole the GOP was about the variance of ideas, but the base of those ideals was always to “put Country First”.

Reagan did it and showed us it CAN work; when you stand firm with your ideals.

But somehow, we’ve drifted far enough that the Tea Party actually had/has the opportunity to make ground when even other “established” 3rd parties couldn’t.

That’s why I AM willing to take on the Bureaucrat GOP types: If they’re so damn sure they don’t need Reagan-style ideas in the leadership, I will work my ass off to get the leadership changed.

I LOVE it when my enemies show themselves to me…makes calling down the fire on their head OH so much easier.

BlaxPac on November 8, 2013 at 11:12 AM

When is enough. enough!!!!

Danielvito on November 8, 2013 at 10:38 AM

I agree with your entire post. In addition, Boehner/McCarthy/Cantor also removed Conservatives in the House from their Committee slots. Then if that wasn’t enough to get them to vote they way Boehner wanted, they removed their Sub-Committee slots.

Enough is more than enough!!

bluefox on November 8, 2013 at 11:12 AM

The GOP is looking at a simple political reality and conservatives don’t like it.

Interestingly, that is probably why conservatives will increasingly become marginalized as time goes forward.

eva3071 on November 8, 2013 at 10:46 AM

The simple mathematic reality is that we have tens of trillions in debt that is crushing the economy. We’re in the middle of the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression. We’re looking at tens of millions of American losing access to health care in the next two years. If the GOP does not face reality – that the present course is unsustainable – then we’re going bankrupt.

All these people who talk smugly about how no conservative policies will ever be enacted because of “political reality” ignore mathematical reality at their peril.

Doomberg on November 8, 2013 at 11:12 AM

convey the impression that we could actually be responsible for governing,

“be responsible for governing”??

Maybe Mitch should go back to high school and brush up on his English. What a moron. He’s responsible for the sh!tty, anti-American governing that’s been going on … that’s for sure.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on November 8, 2013 at 11:13 AM

Principles don’t matter if they don’t get results. Moreover, Democrats have principles. They also have the “ends justify the means” mentality as well. Ergo, they will eventually win in the end.

eva3071 on November 8, 2013 at 11:08 AM

The reason we’re NOT winning is PRECISELY because we have FORGOTTEN and/or BETRAYED our principles. The GOP doesn’t appear to HAVE any principles that can be identified.

“in the end”? I doubt it.

Cleombrotus on November 8, 2013 at 11:14 AM

What’s amazing to me, with NO MONEY, the tea party in 3 years has been such a force that the dems and GOP establishment have been doing an alinsky on them. This has been done with NO FREAKIN MONEY, just grassroots.

Danielvito on November 8, 2013 at 10:55 AM

Ha.
If only.

verbaluce on November 8, 2013 at 11:14 AM

I just honestly do not get this “undistinguishable from the Democrats” argument. At all. Nobody seems to understand how really vast and potentially destructive Barack Obama’s original agenda was, and how much of it has been thwarted despite some that obviously hasn’t.

They have turned back Cap and Trade. They have gotten most of the Bush tax rates made permanent, which was no small deal at all considering how much more taxes Obama and Reid wanted. They got a sequester deal that is driving Democrats insane now. These may seem like small things to you but they are not. Really, since 2010 Obama’s agenda has been completely stalled.

It isn’t Mitch McConnell’s fault that Mitt Romney won the GOP nomination in 2012 and ran a horrible campaign, so that Obamacare could not be repealed.

rockmom on November 8, 2013 at 10:09 AM

A lot of what you say is true. But you’re focusing on opposition to Obama’s agenda. The “indistinguishable from the democrats argument” has to do with the agenda of Republicans like Mitch McConnell. His agenda is:
1. Crony capitalism: to secure tax breaks and favorable regulations to enrich and empower his corporate clients. This undermines the free market system and hurts economic growth just as much as Obama’s policies.
2. Pork: plunder the federal treasury for unnecessary public spending projects. This is as responsible for the deficit as Obama’s entitlement programs.

As far as the interests of the nation are concerned the establishment Republicans are just as bad for the country as the dems.

kcewa on November 8, 2013 at 11:14 AM

I hadn’t heard of Bevin being a plant until it was mentioned on this thread. Also, hadn’t heard that Reid is supporting him. That most likely would be a dirty trick by Reid imo if true. Haven’t seen any proof of that either. Whoever posted either one, needs to supply a link/proof.

Perhaps I’ll contact Bevin and ask him if Reid is supporting him and may contact SCF also.

I don’t live in KY either, but keep an eye on the Nationals as I’m sure you do. I’m pretty active actually, via phone calls/faxes etc. to the Senate & House. I start out in my own State and branch out:-)

bluefox on November 8, 2013 at 11:03 AM

Thanks, I think I’ll try to contact Matt as well. All I can do at the moment is go off his website and positions on the issues. Seems pretty solid to me. Add that to Matt’s Army background and getting rid of McConnell – I’ve sent a little cash to help out.

Panther on November 8, 2013 at 11:14 AM

I believe we refer to those types as useful idiots.

eva3071 on November 8, 2013 at 10:39 AM

I was thinking the same thing about you:-)

bluefox on November 8, 2013 at 11:15 AM

But is Mitch somehow “giving permission” for everyone else in the country – from Graham to Enzi – to start putting up wanted posters of Tea Party upstarts with targets on their faces?

Enzi is far more Tea Party than Crown Princess Liz Cheney. The Cheneys are about as establishment GOP as one can be. Dick Cheney endorsed Kay Bailey Hutchison against Rick Perry and Rand Paul’s establishment opponent.

Name ONE thing Dick Cheney has ever done to advance the conservative movement. Working to engage U.S. troops in wars around the world after applying for five deferments is hardly conservative.

bw222 on November 8, 2013 at 11:15 AM

Well, cleaning up our own Party would be a priority. Can’t hardly complain about the neighbor kids when your own are misbehaving.

bluefox on November 8, 2013 at 11:06 AM

Absolutely.

Panther on November 8, 2013 at 11:16 AM

So, you are fine with how things have been going? But if anybody actually tries to stop corruption they are the problem?

tetriskid on November 8, 2013 at 11:10 AM

Did I ever say I was fine with how things were going? I just spelled out reality for those of you who are still idealists. Unless either the establishment and/or the tea party acquires the “ends justify the means” attitude they will lose to the Democrats.

It should infuriate you.

Cleombrotus on November 8, 2013 at 11:10 AM

On one hand it does. On the other hand, one has to admire their strategy, because if it was the other way around we would be doing the exact same thing to them. I am more infuriated that both sides in the GOP are playing right into their hands, and cannot seem to realize that.

eva3071 on November 8, 2013 at 11:16 AM

The simple mathematic reality is that we have tens of trillions in debt that is crushing the economy. We’re in the middle of the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression. We’re looking at tens of millions of American losing access to health care in the next two years. If the GOP does not face reality – that the present course is unsustainable – then we’re going bankrupt.

All these people who talk smugly about how no conservative policies will ever be enacted because of “political reality” ignore mathematical reality at their peril.

Doomberg on November 8, 2013 at 11:12 AM

+1000

Within 10 years, our interests payments alone will be paying for China’s military a year. Within 20, our income revenue will not be enough to pay the interest on the debt.

This country is in trouble. If we don’t have a party that is completely serious about changing the government; then it doesn’t matter if we get there slow or fast– We are still going to get there- and over the REAL fiscal cliff we go.

melle1228 on November 8, 2013 at 11:17 AM

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