In the wake of NSA spying, US popularity in Germany plummets

posted at 4:41 pm on November 8, 2013 by Bruce McQuain

We were promised a world in which everyone love the US – as soon as Barack Obama ascended the throne became president.  We were told that the reason the world hated us prior to his assuming the presidency was tw0-fold: George W. Bush was president and Obama wasn’t.  We were assured that once that changed, so would the opinion of the world.

That’s worked out swimmingly in the Middle East, hasn’t it?  And of course, Russia looooves us.

And now, led by Germany, it appears Europe won’t be far behind the Middle East and Russia in its lack of regard for the US:

A new poll by German public television (ARD) indicates that only 35 percent of Germans still see the United States. as a good partner. That figure has fallen 14 points since just this past July when about half of all Germans saw American as a partner they could trust.

The new poll, done Thursday, also indicates that 61 percent of Germans now see the United States as an untrustworthy partner.

The poll reflects the deep unhappiness in Germany over the spy scandal, which has seen outrage consistently build from the summer. The first reports were that a U.S. spy program was collecting phone calls and emails and social media communications of Germans. Last month it was alleged that they‘ve been tapping the personal cell phone of Chancellor Angela Merkel and that the top of the U.S. embassy in Berlin houses a big spy nest.

And it’s a steep decline in popularity here for a nation which since the end of World War II has seen the United States as a close friend, an essential ally, a protector and often a provider. To Germans, for decades, the United States was not just the ideal partner but an ideal.

The National Security Agency spy scandal appears to have torched that reputation, at a level beyond even that of the Iraq invasion split.

Pretty nasty numbers pointing toward a very serious rift.  The NSA scandal isn’t going away and those spied upon (especially our allies) are very unhappy with the fact that this was going on.  When you, as a nation, are seen as an unreliable ally, other nations will seek different alliances as necessary.  The US is now seen in that way, not just because of the NSA scandal, but because of a whole host of diplomatic snafus and affronts during this administration.  But one has to speculate that it is more than just the NSA scandal that has put German-American relations in this tailspin.  My guess is that it is just the straw that finally broke the camel’s back.
Of course President Shultz, er, Obama, knew nothing about any of this.
~McQ

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Suckers!

Bmore on November 8, 2013 at 4:43 PM

Maybe OFA can license #WINNING from Charlie Sheen?

PolAgnostic on November 8, 2013 at 4:44 PM

Your type is very small for the last part of your post.

Bmore on November 8, 2013 at 4:45 PM

Of course President Shultz, er, Obama, knew nothing about any of this.”

If only we could get the NYT to cover it, he would know what was going on, and what to do! Quick! A ‘Letter to the Editor!’

Mr Michael on November 8, 2013 at 4:47 PM

OK, it’s all starting to add up. This miscreant poser is frauded into the Oval Office. He’s a communist community agitator with no skills, except for agitating. He’s wrecked the economy, destroyed the best healthcare system in the world, is now purging the military, and has alienated us from all of our allies in Europe, Asia, and the ME. he’s friendly to our enemies both foreign and domestic. He is a serial liar and a narcissist. He has repeatedly violated his oath of office and has circumvented the Constitution at almost every turn. He changes his laws to suit him, without Congress. He spurns the SCOTUS unless it serves his needs. He holds the American people in utter contempt. Is there any reason not to IMPEACH this A-hole?

HomeoftheBrave on November 8, 2013 at 4:51 PM

“Shultz!!”

“Hoooooo-gan!! I’m going to pooot you in de COOOOOL-AAH!”

williamg on November 8, 2013 at 4:53 PM

The German people have direct experience with the consequences of a Dictator who spies on people and who controls the media.

Germans recognize a Dictator when they see one.

Americans still have a lot of hard lessons to learn.

wren on November 8, 2013 at 4:55 PM

Maybe OFA can license #WINNING from Charlie Sheen?

Kool-Aid has a new flavor and it’s called Tiger Blood.

LetsBfrank on November 8, 2013 at 4:58 PM

Ich bin ein hund esser!

Bishop on November 8, 2013 at 5:01 PM

The Egyptian newspaper El Watan is reported to be reporting that Egyptian lawyers have submitted a criminal complaint to the International Criminal Court in the Hague charging Obama with “Crimes against Humanity” for his support of the Muslim Brotherhood in their murders of Christians, among others. The Egyptians apparently consider Obama to be even more terrorist than al Qaeda.

VorDaj on November 8, 2013 at 5:02 PM

Clearly the Germans are racist.

VorDaj on November 8, 2013 at 5:04 PM

A new poll by German public television (ARD) indicates that only 35 percent of Germans still see the United States Obama Administration

Transparent psuedo “journalism.”

kunegetikos on November 8, 2013 at 5:05 PM

Wasn’t Obama going to heal our relationships or something.

England laughs at us, Israel hates us, and Germans don’t trust..

Bravo! Bravo!

melle1228 on November 8, 2013 at 5:09 PM

It might be a bit irresponsible to hold Obama accountable for the NSA crisis…lets not forget the real culprit, Edward Snowden.

nonpartisan on November 8, 2013 at 5:09 PM

National Socialism–the complete government control of all business, industry and infrastructure is highly similar to the socialism being practiced today on the Potomac. The Germans should study their own history.

MaiDee on November 8, 2013 at 5:15 PM

National Socialism–the complete government control of all business, industry and infrastructure is highly similar to the socialism being practiced today on the Potomac. The Germans should study their own history.

MaiDee on November 8, 2013 at 5:15 PM

This is why I kep saying that Obama is more fascist than communist.

VorDaj on November 8, 2013 at 5:22 PM

It was dumb to tap Angela Merkel phone calls. No information gained from them could have been worth the potential loss of face and possible alliances we have built over the last half century. It is classic example of the NSA having too much time on their hands and too much tax payer’s money in their hands.

I would hope the NSA would focus on more relevant things like China…which is why I am a big supporter of subordinating them to the military. The U.S. Military could give a rats rear about what Merkel wants for lunch, but do care about how to hit China back for hacking and pillaging or stuff. The age of cyber warfare has begun and it is time we start fighting back…

William Eaton on November 8, 2013 at 5:23 PM

Obama could have ended this a pong times ago. Since he hasn’t one can only conclude that he likes domestic spying. What were you reprobates saying about keeping the govt out of your bedrooms? That’s your people.

Murphy9 on November 8, 2013 at 5:29 PM

I would hope the NSA would focus on more relevant things like China…

INSCOM, NSG, and AFSS do monitor China and many other countries. When I was in the ASA, our operational command was the NSA. The NSA does do all you say they should be doing. They do these things in cooperation with the military through the CSS (Central Security Service). Snowden has duped everyone who thinks the NSA singularly does what he “reveals” they are doing. He is systematically destroying 2nd and 3rd party intelligence relationships with as many countries as he and Wikileaks can all in the name of their phony baloney “global privacy” mantra. Reuters reported today Snowden duped over 20 NSA colleagues into giving up their passwords because he purportedly needed them to do his job as a computer systems analyst. Nice guy. He is a narcissist. No ego unless he is screwing over others, and gaining adulation from their loss.

rlwo2008 on November 8, 2013 at 5:47 PM

Time for another “Beer Summit” in Berlin!

GarandFan on November 8, 2013 at 6:16 PM

Or maybe King Barack can give an “”Ich bin ein Eavesdropper!” speech. Then he can drop hints that he’s more like JFK than Lincoln. Or Jefferson. Or Roosevelt. Or Washington.

GarandFan on November 8, 2013 at 6:18 PM

People using Nazi references…
Today’s German’s relate more to the STASI spying on Germans.
And since Merkel was born and raised in East Germany, she knows very well about the Stasi spying on friends, neighbors and colleagues.

albill on November 8, 2013 at 6:23 PM

And on top of the spying, the Germans do not take kindly to Obama telling Germany how to run its economy.
Oh, yeah, Mercedes, VW, BMW and Audi and Porsche sales are at record highs…unemployment is around 5.3%…

albill on November 8, 2013 at 6:25 PM

I know people who absolutely refuse to buy a German car.
Can’t imagine why….

Another Drew on November 8, 2013 at 6:29 PM

“Everything is proceeding according to plan.” –Barack Obama

lovesthesun on November 8, 2013 at 6:47 PM

Obama is used to getting away with anything he wants because he has a domestic media that refuses to criticize him.

He doesn’t have that advantage in foreign affairs.

I don’t think he really understands that. He doesn’t think that in American politics he’s getting a free ride because of race and partisanship; he thinks everything he does is wonderful and he should be criticized even less than he is.

So he is not equipped to ask himself: “How would this play without the media refusing to criticize me? Because that’s how it’s going to play in Germany, France et cetera.”

David Blue on November 8, 2013 at 7:08 PM

Go start another world war, Germany.

The Nerve on November 8, 2013 at 7:37 PM

….German Spring!

KOOLAID2 on November 8, 2013 at 8:41 PM

It’s old and dusty, and has a few sticky keys, but I’ll be derned if that old Enigma machine still works pretty good!

Buck Turgidson on November 10, 2013 at 11:05 AM