Will the Saudis take delivery of nuclear weapons soon?

posted at 4:01 pm on November 7, 2013 by Bruce McQuain

If this BBC report is to believed, the answer is “yes.”

Saudi Arabia has invested in Pakistani nuclear weapons projects, and believes it could obtain atomic bombs at will, a variety of sources have told BBC Newsnight.

While the kingdom’s quest has often been set in the context of countering Iran’s atomic programme, it is now possible that the Saudis might be able to deploy such devices more quickly than the Islamic republic.

Earlier this year, a senior Nato decision maker told me that he had seen intelligence reporting that nuclear weapons made in Pakistan on behalf of Saudi Arabia are now sitting ready for delivery.

Last month Amos Yadlin, a former head of Israeli military intelligence, told a conference in Sweden that if Iran got the bomb, “the Saudis will not wait one month. They already paid for the bomb, they will go to Pakistan and bring what they need to bring.”

That ought to cool things down in the Middle East, no?

We’ve seen reports of the Saudi’s displeasure with the current administration’s dealings with Iran.  In fact, there have been reports that the Saudi’s are contemplating a “major change” in relations with the US.  They plan to distance themselves from the US.  To say they have little respect for or fear of the current administration would be an understatement.

And, of course Israel is going to really welcome this development, about like one welcomes news that they have a fatal disease.

Assuming this is true, it definitely ratchets up tensions in a region in which they already run very high.  The Saudi’s want Iran’s nuclear weapons program stopped.   They have no confidence in the US’s ability to make that happen.  Consequently, they’ve decided that, at a minimum, deterrence in the form of having their own nukes, is better than depending on an undependable ally.

Yessiree, we’re much better off with this administration at the helm of our foreign policy than the last – aren’t we?

~McQ


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But, but, but, Obamesiah is this close to a deal with Iran!

NotCoach on November 7, 2013 at 4:03 PM

I hate to say it but, in the next five years (or less) someone, somewhere is gonna get Nuked. I am hoping it isn’t the US.

Johnnyreb on November 7, 2013 at 4:08 PM

If you like your Arab Spring…

faraway on November 7, 2013 at 4:08 PM

If you like your Arab Spring…

faraway on November 7, 2013 at 4:08 PM

Can I get mine all toasty and glowing?

Oldnuke on November 7, 2013 at 4:10 PM

Here a nuke,
There a nuke,
Every where a nuke, nuke.

albill on November 7, 2013 at 4:11 PM

The SCOAMF Administration’s foreign policy accomplishments:

1) “Resetting” relationships with Russia to Cold War status

2) Treating our allies like enemies while begging our enemies to let us appease them.

3) Toppling friendly regimes

4) Abandoning American DIPLOMATIC personnel in harm’s way

5) Openly ceding our influence in the Middle East to Russia and China

In less than 5 years, Obama hasa brought the FREE WORLD to the point where it MISSES George W. Bush

PolAgnostic on November 7, 2013 at 4:11 PM

Oh, come on. Lets not be naive.

If the Saudi’s have announced they have the ability to take delivery “anytime they want to” that means they already have the missles, not that they will soon get them. Do you seriously think they would accept a danger of intervention in the shipment?

This is the result of Obama’s “diplomacy” in the middle east: the end to fifty years of hard work by many administrations of both parties and the nuclearization of the Arabian peninsula. We are going to be very lucky if we avoid world war before Obama plays his last eighteen holes as President.

MTF on November 7, 2013 at 4:12 PM

“We should bomb them.” -John McCain

Flange on November 7, 2013 at 4:12 PM

Why is Russia comfortable with Iran obtaining nuclear weapons?

albill on November 7, 2013 at 4:12 PM

Toddlers playing with an AK-47!!

Deano1952 on November 7, 2013 at 4:13 PM

I hate to say it but, in the next five years (or less) someone,

somewhere is gonna get Nuked. I am hoping it isn’t the US.

Johnnyreb on November 7, 2013 at 4:08 PM

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It won’t take 5 years … it will happen before Obama leaves office a little over 3 years from now … because the bad actors know NOTHING will be done about it by this administration.

PolAgnostic on November 7, 2013 at 4:14 PM

Listen, we all need to shutup. I’m, waiting to hear from our conservative leader, Mitt Romney. Or, maybe elephant man.

faraway on November 7, 2013 at 4:15 PM

not even news
Abdul Qadeer Khan‎ is the ‘father‘ of Pakistan’s nukes

Which Saudi Arabia financed in exchange for supply of nuclear weapons on demand and that AQKhan further proliferated to North Korea and Syria…

DANEgerus on November 7, 2013 at 4:15 PM

Its a good thing we have a community organizer in charge. Maybe he will give a good speech soon.

tommer74 on November 7, 2013 at 4:16 PM

There goes the already-gone neighborhood…

de rigueur on November 7, 2013 at 4:17 PM

Hopefully we are sending neutron weapons to Saudi and Israel, so when the ME goes up we can start pumping oil quickly.

DFCtomm on November 7, 2013 at 4:18 PM

Obama said things would necessarily skyrocket.

He’s been right so far. Gas prices, coal prices, insurance prices. Next, nukes.

faraway on November 7, 2013 at 4:21 PM

Time to send 2 Obama Knights to discuss the situation with the Islam Federation and Queen Lightsweetcrude.

BobMbx on November 7, 2013 at 4:21 PM

Who’s next? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRLON3ddZIw

WitchDoctor on November 7, 2013 at 4:22 PM

Great, just great. WWIII will start in the middle east. What was that quote by crr6? Thank you Mr. pResident!?

lfwest on November 7, 2013 at 4:23 PM

In fact, there have been reports that the Saudi’s are contemplating a “major change” in relations with the US. They plan to distance themselves from the US.

But Dear Liar bowed to the Saudi king! And he gave a speech in Cairo apologizing for American behavior of the past!! And wants to turn NASA into a muslim outreach agency!!!

rbj on November 7, 2013 at 4:23 PM

Good thing Obama has encouraged drilling off our shores and on government land.

Oh wait.

Good thing Solyndra and all of those green energy “investments” panned out so we won’t have to rely on dirty fossil fuels.

Oh wait.

Uh.

I got nothin’ …

VibrioCocci on November 7, 2013 at 4:24 PM

Brilliant!

Do we blame this on some mid-level manager at State?

freedomfirst on November 7, 2013 at 4:25 PM

This is just another good reason for the USA to announce unequivocally that as soon a Iran has nuclear weapons (or a little before)the USA & Israel will attack (with nuclear deep penetration bombs if necessary) Iran’s nuclear installations. This will entail, naturally, an air attack on Iran’s air force & navy. Maybe such a clear announcement will deter Iran, but it should happen.

Chessplayer on November 7, 2013 at 4:26 PM

We’ve seen reports of the Saudi’s displeasure with the current administration’s dealings with Iran. In fact, there have been reports that the Saudi’s are contemplating a “major change” in relations with the US. They plan to distance themselves from the US. To say they have little respect for or fear of the current administration would be an understatement.

If the Saudis wanted to really distance themselves for the US, they could close the oil spigot, and it would be 1974 all over again. Which would make the Keystone XL pipeline look like a really good idea, regardless of what the Greenies say about the Oga-LaLa-Land aquifer.

Steve Z on November 7, 2013 at 4:27 PM

It won’t take 5 years … it will happen before Obama leaves office a little over 3 years from now … because the bad actors know NOTHING will be done about it by this administration.

PolAgnostic on November 7, 2013 at 4:14 PM

Well they’re wrong there. He will immediately declare martial law, suspend the constitution and put all elections on hold. He’ll also deploy about a million Homeland Security Peacekeepers throughout the land to keep us all safe and maintain order.

Oldnuke on November 7, 2013 at 4:29 PM

Relax, Barry’s all over this.

Akzed on November 7, 2013 at 4:29 PM

And he gave a speech in Cairo apologizing for American behavior of the past!!

rbj on November 7, 2013 at 4:23 PM

Actually, the America-hating, dog-eating retard apologized for colonialism (which was dumb and wrong, to begin with) and implied that America had something to do with it (which was keeping in line with Barky’s limited, but totally mistaken, knowledge of history).

Barky is a malevolent retard of the highest order. This piece of horse dung should have never been in charge of anything more complicated than a mop, and even that is pushing the limits of his pea-brain. The fact that his is a vicious, deluded third-worlder bent on exacting revenge on the West just makes it all that much worse. This population of Americans (and now, of American Socialist Superstaters) will go down in history as the most pathetic, dumbest, most insane group of lowlifes to have ever walked the face of the Earth.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on November 7, 2013 at 4:30 PM

If you like your Arab Spring…

faraway on November 7, 2013 at 4:08 PM

…you can have nuclear winter!

Steve Z on November 7, 2013 at 4:31 PM

This is just another good reason for the USA to announce [...]

Chessplayer on November 7, 2013 at 4:26 PM

There is no USA, anymore. Just the A.S.S. in its place.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on November 7, 2013 at 4:31 PM

So now more than ever it is clear that the best way to save the world is to keep sending more and more $ to Saudi Arabia et al, which we have to do because we’ve blocked the Keystone Pipeline and stifled drilling and fracking, and regulated our own coal and gas plants out of existence, so we have to import more oil from the Saudis. Yeah, that’s the ticket. Because global warming is the real threat (not!), not nukes from the country where most of the people that attacked us on 9/11 are from. And lets put up some more windmills because that’s going to really help a lot (not!).

anotherJoe on November 7, 2013 at 4:32 PM

This is just another good reason for the USA to announce unequivocally that as soon a Iran has nuclear weapons (or a little before)the USA & Israel will attack (with nuclear deep penetration bombs if necessary) Iran’s nuclear installations. This will entail, naturally, an air attack on Iran’s air force & navy. Maybe such a clear announcement will deter Iran, but it should happen.

Chessplayer on November 7, 2013 at 4:26 PM

A real big problem with that. Iran would be stupid to announce or test a Nuke, that is just asking for trouble for them. The first indication the world will have that Iran has Nukes is in IMO one going off and Iran taking credit for it after the fact.

Johnnyreb on November 7, 2013 at 4:32 PM

Is NASA still trying to “to find a way to reach out to the Muslim world and engage much more with dominantly Muslim nations to help them feel good about their historic contribution to science … and math and engineering.”

Fallon on November 7, 2013 at 4:36 PM

A real big problem with that. Iran would be stupid to announce or test a Nuke, that is just asking for trouble for them. The first indication the world will have that Iran has Nukes is in IMO one going off and Iran taking credit for it after the fact.

Johnnyreb on November 7, 2013 at 4:32 PM

I’d imagine they would like that first nuke to be used against U.S. ground troop attempting to attack Iran. That would be a huge statement, that would probably redefine the military order of the world.

DFCtomm on November 7, 2013 at 4:38 PM

Oh, come on. Lets not be naive.

If the Saudi’s have announced they have the ability to take delivery “anytime they want to” that means they already have the missles, not that they will soon get them. Do you seriously think they would accept a danger of intervention in the shipment?

This is the result of Obama’s “diplomacy” in the middle east: the end to fifty years of hard work by many administrations of both parties and the nuclearization of the Arabian peninsula. We are going to be very lucky if we avoid world war before Obama plays his last eighteen holes as President.

MTF on November 7, 2013 at 4:12 PM

They have had capable missiles for many years, sold to them by Red China. This article is about nuclear warheads for missiles or perhaps to be carried by planes. All the warheads they need would fit on a single cargo plane.

slickwillie2001 on November 7, 2013 at 4:39 PM

No need for that Keystone Pipeline.

Nope.

None at all…

Bruno Strozek on November 7, 2013 at 4:41 PM

Never forget that it was Saudi Arabia and Pakistan that are most to blame for 9/11/01.

FloatingRock on November 7, 2013 at 4:44 PM

So, how’s that peace prize looking about right now?

todler on November 7, 2013 at 4:48 PM

They have had capable missiles for many years, sold to them by Red China. This article is about nuclear warheads for missiles or perhaps to be carried by planes. All the warheads they need would fit on a single cargo plane.

slickwillie2001 on November 7, 2013 at 4:39 PM

I believe you’ve got it exactly backwards. The missiles are large and bulky while the warheads aren’t. Therefore, while they’ve had warheads for years I believe they’ve now taken delivery of the missiles themselves.

Either way, its a silly point. The Saudis now have the ability to deliver a nuclear device to Tehran and explode it. That’s their point.

MTF on November 7, 2013 at 4:50 PM

Well they’re wrong there. He will immediately declare martial law, suspend the constitution and put all elections on hold. He’ll also deploy about a million Homeland Security Peacekeepers throughout the land to keep us all safe and maintain order.

Oldnuke on November 7, 2013 at 4:29 PM

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While I share your deep distrust of Obama and everyone in his administration, I will reiterate the statement I have made on here every time the “martial law et al” meme is put forward.

I have never know an military or LEO personnel willing to take on odds of 100:1 against them – including recent SOCOM members. The bulk of the people I know in both communities are NOT Obama supporters. The other fallacy in this statement is the complete lack of understanding of the logistics required to enable it.

Any attempt to exert large scale martial law on this country will result in a short, widepsread spasm of violence which will make the Civil War look like a Sunday picnic. The societal “earthquake” would be so great the “lucky” supporters of such a coup d’etat will be the ones who escape to Canada.

A more real world fear is the global economic collapse the central banks have brought us to the brink of through endless debt creation. The collapse of the global economy will bring with it a long period of regional wars, widespread famine and pandemics. The world will look back to the period prior to 2008 as “the Golden Age”.

PolAgnostic on November 7, 2013 at 4:54 PM

Did you see those California fireballs in the sky??

Maybe there are bigger fish to fry besides mere old fashion nukes..

BigSven on November 7, 2013 at 4:55 PM

I believe you’ve got it exactly backwards. The missiles are large and bulky while the warheads aren’t. Therefore, while they’ve had warheads for years I believe they’ve now taken delivery of the missiles themselves.

Either way, its a silly point. The Saudis now have the ability to deliver a nuclear device to Tehran and explode it. That’s their point.

MTF on November 7, 2013 at 4:50 PM


No … he read the article:

Gary Samore, until March 2013 President Barack Obama’s counter-proliferation adviser, has told Newsnight:

Gary Samore served as President Barack Obama’s WMD tsar
“I do think that the Saudis believe that they have some understanding with Pakistan that, in extremis, they would have claim to acquire nuclear weapons from Pakistan.”

The story of Saudi Arabia’s project – including the acquisition of missiles capable of delivering nuclear warheads over long ranges – goes back decades.

In the late 1980s they secretly bought dozens of CSS-2 ballistic missiles from China.

These rockets, considered by many experts too inaccurate for use as conventional weapons, were deployed 20 years ago.

This summer experts at defence publishers Jane’s reported the completion of a new Saudi CSS-2 base with missile launch rails aligned with Israel and Iran.

PolAgnostic on November 7, 2013 at 4:58 PM

No worse ally, no better enemy. Yup.

The_Livewire on November 7, 2013 at 5:03 PM

As I recall, the Saudi’s have had a Russian or Chinese mobile launch system for several years, sold to them as “conventional” launchers with conventional warheads on them. However, these launchers just happened to have been used as nuclear launchers before their sale, with the nukes removed and plain old explody bombs installed. It would be the work of about a day and one cargo plane for the Saudis to go from unarmed to very armed, provided the sellers kept the old glow-in-the-dark warheads around, which they undoubtably have.

The reason they haven’t done that is the chaos that would be triggered between Suni/Shiate counries. If Iran decides to start the dance, the Saudis have their dance card all filled out and waiting for the music to start.

Georgfelis on November 7, 2013 at 5:07 PM

Any attempt to exert large scale martial law on this country will result in a short, widepsread spasm of violence which will make the Civil War look like a Sunday picnic. The societal “earthquake” would be so great the “lucky” supporters of such a coup d’etat will be the ones who escape to Canada.

A more real world fear is the global economic collapse the central banks have brought us to the brink of through endless debt creation. The collapse of the global economy will bring with it a long period of regional wars, widespread famine and pandemics. The world will look back to the period prior to 2008 as “the Golden Age”.

PolAgnostic on November 7, 2013 at 4:54 PM

You must have slept through the entire manhunt for the Boston Bombers. Without declaring anything, and without warrants or probable cause, the police (around 1,500 of them) sealed off and searched every room in every house in a small neighborhood. Every person found in their own homes was treated as an armed and dangerous person and ordered to submit to searches at gun point. Lots of video available to watch as Grandma and Grandpa get perp-walked down the sidewalk by Johnny “Itchy Finger” Policeman in full combat gear.

I also need to point out that this martial law exhibition failed to find their man, who was found by a homeowner who called to report strange things about his boat, and was promptly rewarded by the police breaking every window in his home and practically destroying his walls and furniture so they could “get a good line of sight” at their target.

Why do I mention this? Because we all just sat there, watching, without realizing or questioning the violation of these citizens Constitutional rights.

So when you think there will be an uprising against an imposition of “martial law”, think again. It happened a year ago, and everyone cheered.

All thats needed is the proper “initiating event”, and we’ll just curl up as Uncle Sam takes over completely.

BobMbx on November 7, 2013 at 5:13 PM

This is what 5 years of “Smart-Ass Diplomacy” gets you

J_Crater on November 7, 2013 at 5:17 PM

BobMbx on November 7, 2013 at 5:13 PM

The police have the advantage for the moment because they know where you live, and have the luxury of catching you off guard and using overwhelming force. The very opposite would be true in a martial law scenario. It’s not hard to know where the local cops live, and they could easily be caught by surprise one night by overwhelming force.

It could only be done if they herded everyone into camps. That would work in the cities, and would probably even be necessary, but wouldn’t work in the majority rural areas. You would end up having islands of government control in a sea of Mad Max rural chaos. Which leads us to the most important question: after the MREs run out where will the food come from?

DFCtomm on November 7, 2013 at 5:23 PM

Nevile Chamberlain just phoned in a “Thank You” to Obama.

I really don’t think the world can take much more SMART POWER Diplomacy. Billy Jeff let two countries surprise us with nuclear bombs. Obama will be 3-5 times worse.

jukin3 on November 7, 2013 at 5:28 PM

I believe you’ve got it exactly backwards. The missiles are large and bulky while the warheads aren’t. Therefore, while they’ve had warheads for years I believe they’ve now taken delivery of the missiles themselves.

Either way, its a silly point. The Saudis now have the ability to deliver a nuclear device to Tehran and explode it. That’s their point.

MTF on November 7, 2013 at 4:50 PM

Nope… They’ve had missiles capable of hitting places much further away than Iran for quite some time.. They’re called nuclear warheads for a reason.. Not nuclear missiles. The missile itself is nothing more than a fueled projectile that is placed underneath a warhead in order to deliver it a destination.

preallocated on November 7, 2013 at 5:29 PM

Isn’t it GREAT that we no longer have “Cowboy Diplomacy”? Now everyone in the world will want to practice “Chicago Diplomacy” – ie, EVERYONE WILL BE CARRYING.

GarandFan on November 7, 2013 at 5:29 PM

If someone drops a nuke it will be a red line for Obama that would change his calculus. That would change his equation.

Rancher on November 7, 2013 at 5:32 PM

So when you think there will be an uprising against an imposition of “martial law”, think again. It happened a year ago, and everyone cheered.

Happened during Katrina too.

Rancher on November 7, 2013 at 5:35 PM

DFCtomm on November 7, 2013 at 5:23 PM

You assume that the government is going to activate the Emergency Broadcast System and notify everyone that you have no rights and martial is declared every where.

Its not gonna happen that way. It’ll happen here, and then there, and we’ll be given constant assurances by the press that whats happening is really important, you know, for security. And when they show up with a list (provided by the NSA) of contraband that needs to be confiscated or that indicates your distrust of the government, all nice and legal of course, you will have no recourse.

How many countries where this has happened also thought, as a populace, that “it can’t happen here” and wound up under the boot of a tyrannical government?

We’re already being prepared for it. The DHS publishes studies that “prove” military veterans are a threat to the government, we hear the president say that conservatives are evil, the enemy and need to be punished, and the MSM refuses to report anything to the contrary.

BobMbx on November 7, 2013 at 5:36 PM

You assume that the government is going to activate the Emergency Broadcast System and notify everyone that you have no rights and martial is declared every where.

BobMbx on November 7, 2013 at 5:36 PM

The emergency broadcast system just launched itself an IPO today, and if you choose to black out all social media then that itself is an alarm. No you won’t be able to “sneak up” on the populace. My point is that both sides are much more evenly matched than you or polagnostic assert, and the two sides are much more entwined than either of you concede. You need the rural population to feed the country, and they can’t do that in a camp, and the government doesn’t have the man power to watch them.

DFCtomm on November 7, 2013 at 5:44 PM

Why do I mention this? Because we all just sat there, watching, without realizing or questioning the violation of these citizens Constitutional rights.

So when you think there will be an uprising against an imposition of “martial law”, think again. It happened a year ago, and everyone cheered.

All thats needed is the proper “initiating event”, and we’ll just curl up as Uncle Sam takes over completely.

BobMbx on November 7, 2013 at 5:13 PM


Let’s sum up your argument:

One of the single largest collections of liberals by geographic area & population density (who have willfully disarmed themselves) were subjected to an imposition of martial law on an area representing less than 1/100th of said geographic area and maybe 1/1000th of said liberal population for less than a 24 hour period and you thereby extrapolate to the ability to impose a permanent, nationwide state of martial law (and, of course, you completely ignored the logistics issue) across a full spectrum of the national population.

Is that what you see as a WINNING argument?

PolAgnostic on November 7, 2013 at 5:45 PM

all nice and legal of course

There is no legal basis for martial law.

Rancher on November 7, 2013 at 5:46 PM

Oh, come on. Lets not be naive.

If the Saudi’s have announced they have the ability to take delivery “anytime they want to” that means they already have the missles, not that they will soon get them. Do you seriously think they would accept a danger of intervention in the shipment?

This is the result of Obama’s “diplomacy” in the middle east: the end to fifty years of hard work by many administrations of both parties and the nuclearization of the Arabian peninsula. We are going to be very lucky if we avoid world war before Obama plays his last eighteen holes as President.

MTF on November 7, 2013 at 4:12 PM

They do already have anywhere between 30 and 120 CCS-2 IRBMs scattered among 3 launch facilities. What they (supposedly) don’t yet have are the nuclear warheads that go on those missiles.

Steve Eggleston on November 7, 2013 at 5:50 PM

If you like your Arab Spring…

faraway on November 7, 2013 at 4:08 PM

…you can have nuclear winter!

Steve Z on November 7, 2013 at 4:31 PM

Comment Combo of the Day™

Steve Eggleston on November 7, 2013 at 5:52 PM

If you think that Iran is the ultimate target of all of those Saudi/Pakistani nukes, I suggest reading the article, and noticing which direction one of the two fixed launch sites at their newest missile basei is pointed.

Steve Eggleston on November 7, 2013 at 5:55 PM

Oh, come on. Lets not be naive.

If the Saudi’s have announced they have the ability to take delivery “anytime they want to” that means they already have the missles, not that they will soon get them. Do you seriously think they would accept a danger of intervention in the shipment?

This is the result of Obama’s “diplomacy” in the middle east: the end to fifty years of hard work by many administrations of both parties and the nuclearization of the Arabian peninsula. We are going to be very lucky if we avoid world war before Obama plays his last eighteen holes as President.

MTF on November 7, 2013 at 4:12 PM

They have had capable missiles for many years, sold to them by Red China. This article is about nuclear warheads for missiles or perhaps to be carried by planes. All the warheads they need would fit on a single cargo plane.

slickwillie2001 on November 7, 2013 at 4:39 PM

Just a slight caveat on the Saudis possessing missiles: You guys seem to be assuming that those missiles are in fireable condition. Notoriously, Arabs — including the Saudis — are incapable of maintaining equipment. For fear of being overthrown, their superiors will not give them the tools or training to properly maintain the equipment. And Arab men simply do not work. Work is for women, not men. So, unless the Saudis have hired outside maintenance people, those missiles are corroded and filled with sand. (Of course, that could be why they are just now moving the missiles from Pakistan to Saudi Arabia. The missiles haven’t had the opportunity to be neglected to the point of uselessness.)

catsandbooks on November 7, 2013 at 5:57 PM

But, hey, Obama is focused on something much more important than a potential nuclear holocaust: passing ENDA!!! We all know that pacifying a teeny minority of lesbiangaybisexualtransgenders by passing a completely unneccessary new law to burden employers is ever so much more important than world peace.

Have we ever in ths history of this once great nation been so terribly and badly misled?

natasha333 on November 7, 2013 at 5:59 PM

Just a slight caveat on the Saudis possessing missiles: You guys seem to be assuming that those missiles are in fireable condition. Notoriously, Arabs — including the Saudis — are incapable of maintaining equipment. For fear of being overthrown, their superiors will not give them the tools or training to properly maintain the equipment. And Arab men simply do not work. Work is for women, not men. So, unless the Saudis have hired outside maintenance people, those missiles are corroded and filled with sand. (Of course, that could be why they are just now moving the missiles from Pakistan to Saudi Arabia. The missiles haven’t had the opportunity to be neglected to the point of uselessness.)

catsandbooks on November 7, 2013 at 5:57 PM

Who’s to say that the ChiComs (or the Pakistanis) haven’t been there the last 20 years doing maintenance on those missiles? After all, there have been American military and contract personnel performing maintenance on the weaponry we’ve sold them for decades.

Steve Eggleston on November 7, 2013 at 5:59 PM

Who’s to say that the ChiComs (or the Pakistanis) haven’t been there the last 20 years doing maintenance on those missiles? After all, there have been American military and contract personnel performing maintenance on the weaponry we’ve sold them for decades.

Steve Eggleston on November 7, 2013 at 5:59 PM

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… and performing upgrades

PolAgnostic on November 7, 2013 at 6:03 PM

Is that what you see as a WINNING argument?

PolAgnostic on November 7, 2013 at 5:45 PM

Not at all. My argument is “a little piece here, a little piece there”, imposing surveillance on every form of communication, data mining, tracking movement of individuals (Smartphones already do that, now they want to put tracking devices in our cars).

I believe the days of the strong-arm takeover of a society such as ours is impossible, although it can be done in small areas as has been noted here already.

Rather, all of this wonderful technology we use today are the weapons that will be used (are being used?) to control every facet of our lives. Martial law, or whatever it can be called, is not defined by busting down doors and checkpoints on the roadways (which exist in the guise of “DUI Checks”), but by control of the populace by the government. Control over movement, possessions, groups, speech, activity, thought, etc. are all elements of “martial law”.

I don’t know what “winning” looks like, but history is full of “losing”.

BobMbx on November 7, 2013 at 6:08 PM

obama sooooo deserves the Peace Nobel.

He invented the Arab Spring. He and Hillary own it.

Schadenfreude on November 7, 2013 at 6:12 PM

Control over movement, possessions, groups, speech, activity, thought, etc. are all elements of “martial law”.

I don’t know what “winning” looks like, but history is full of “losing”.

BobMbx on November 7, 2013 at 6:08 PM

You are making the Panopticon arument … which has validity but mainly while the population is “sleeping”.

I was very concerned about the Panopticon becoming reality but Snowden, the Shutdown (most people noticed no difference) and Obamacare have started to wake people up and make them angry.

Angry is GOOD.

PolAgnostic on November 7, 2013 at 6:14 PM

Rather, all of this wonderful technology we use today are the weapons that will be used (are being used?) to control every facet of our lives. Martial law, or whatever it can be called, is not defined by busting down doors and checkpoints on the roadways (which exist in the guise of “DUI Checks”), but by control of the populace by the government. Control over movement, possessions, groups, speech, activity, thought, etc. are all elements of “martial law”.

I don’t know what “winning” looks like, but history is full of “losing”.

BobMbx on November 7, 2013 at 6:08 PM

Well, technology is the joker in the deck, but it requires large infrastructure, and a consumer economy to drive it. The longer a “collapse” continues the odds shift against the government. I believe in the long run it’s chaos that wins not necessarily the people.

DFCtomm on November 7, 2013 at 6:18 PM

Angry is GOOD.

PolAgnostic on November 7, 2013 at 6:14 PM

We’ll see how angry people are in Nov 2014.

BobMbx on November 7, 2013 at 6:20 PM

We’ll see how angry people are in Nov 2014.

BobMbx on November 7, 2013 at 6:20 PM

I don’t even know about that. The Democrats are on the verge of implosion, and it would take a massively corrosive issue to turn off the base enough to make them throw up their hands and quit……Luckily for the Democrats such an issue exists, and the GOP is just dying tear into it. Immigration reform.

DFCtomm on November 7, 2013 at 6:25 PM

The Democrats are on the verge of implosion, and it would take a massively corrosive issue to turn off the base enough to make them throw up their hands and quit……Luckily for the Democrats such an issue exists, and the GOP is just dying tear into it. Immigration reform.

DFCtomm on November 7, 2013 at 6:25 PM

A completely imploded Democrat party still pulls 35% of the electorate. Its hard-coded…like DNA.

Immigration reform? You’re being sarcastic, right?

BobMbx on November 7, 2013 at 6:30 PM

We’ll see how angry people are in Nov 2014.

Yes we will. Dems are scared.

Rancher on November 7, 2013 at 6:36 PM

I am not too worried about all this. The Sunnis and Shia will use the bomb against each other or Israel will now have an excuse to nuke both of them…either way it is a win for the USA.

William Eaton on November 7, 2013 at 7:05 PM

Saudis to take delivery of tactical

as Iran’s first target. Nobody will care.

EU to be Iran’s second target as real warning to US and Israel.

Then AQ on US.

Rea1ityCheck on November 7, 2013 at 9:34 PM

Improper apostrophe use overload…can’t…take…much…more…

It’s Saudis. Saudis.

Dunedainn on November 8, 2013 at 12:04 AM

A completely imploded Democrat party still pulls 35% of the electorate. Its hard-coded…like DNA.

Immigration reform? You’re being sarcastic, right?

BobMbx on November 7, 2013 at 6:30 PM

I couldn’t even understand what I wrote. I’m sorry, but I was in a hurry. I meant the Democrats are about to implode and the only thing that can save them is an issue so corrosive that it turns off our base so badly that we throw up our hands and give up on the GOP. Luckily for the Dems such an issue exists, and it’s immigration reform, and the GOP is dying to do it.

DFCtomm on November 8, 2013 at 2:52 AM