WaPo: Three pinocchios for the White House trying to pin cancellations on insurance companies

posted at 12:41 pm on November 7, 2013 by Erika Johnsen

In their never-ceasing effort to redirect the blame for the already incoming consequences of their signature legislative achievement, the White House has tried to dismiss the individual insurance plan cancellations that millions of Americans have lately been receiving as the underhanded work of insurance companies (and indeed, certain Democrats are urging the administration to double down hard on that convenient demonization tactic).

Last week, the president chided “bad apple” insurance companies as the rightful recipients of these dropped Americans’ ire, rather than ObamaCare itself. “Nothing in #Obamacare forces people out of their health plans. No change is required unless insurance companies change existing plans,” tweeted Valerie Jarrett, while Jay Carney insisted that “What is not the case is if your insurer basically threw you off that plan by telling you after a year or two that it was changing and said, here’s your new option because your plan has changed, that that new plan is grandfathered in, because how could that be? You can’t grandfather in a plan in 2010 that didn’t come into existence into 2012 or 2011.”

…Yes, I’m pretty sure that was supposed to be borderline nonsensical, but the gist of it is that insurance companies should be blamed for ever having offered plans that the august wisdom of the administration deems “substandard,” and that no plans cemented in before the law passed can be dropped. In his fact-check at the Washington Post, however, Glenn Kessler has a few pinocchios to pass out, mainly because “the March 23, 2010, effective date is so obscure that likely few people in the individual market paid much attention to it”:

We’ve noted before the tight regulations that the Department of Health and Human Services wrote while implementing the law, which affected “grandfathered plans,” those obtained before the law was signed on March 23, 2010.  That’s what Carney is referring to when he claims that insurance companies are taking away benefits — though that is just one of a myriad of provisions that could affect a plan’s grandfathered status.

But how many people actually would have kept their individual plans that long in the first place? HHS, when it drafted the interim rules, estimated that between 40 and 67 percent of policies in the individual market are in effect for less than one year. “These estimates assume that the policies that terminate are replaced by new individual policies, and that these new policies are not, by definition, grandfathered,” the rules noted. (See page 34553.) …

Translated, that means about 95 percent of people now getting cancellation notices likely purchased their plan after the effective date of the law. …

During the drafting of the health-care law, insurance companies had wanted to extend the effective date for grandfathered plans until Dec. 31, 2013, which would have meant that few at this moment would be complaining that they had lost a plan they liked. Of course, that would have also meant fewer potential customers for the Obamacare exchanges in the first year.

In a nutshell, there is a lot of regular turnover in the individual insurance market, and it has already been over three years since the law passed — i.e., far enough in the past that it was pretty much guaranteed that most people currently in the individual market would lose their plans and find themselves being herded toward the ObamaCare exchanges. That’s kind of the idea, no?

Update: I should add that Politifact already awarded O’s latest tortured argument on that front (“Now, if you have or had one of these plans before the Affordable Care Act came into law and you really liked that plan, what we said was you can keep it if it hasn’t changed since the law passed) with their most unprodigious “pants on fire” status. Burn.


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Shoot the rabbit! Shoot the rabbit!

OhEssYouCowboys on November 7, 2013 at 12:43 PM

Three? Did they forget how to count any higher than that?

besser tot als rot on November 7, 2013 at 12:45 PM


You’d think that “The Smartest Man in the World” would know when to stop digging that hole.

But He should be forgiven. Hasn’t the MSM covered his lies in the past?

So when does The Chosen One start demonizing the press?

GarandFan on November 7, 2013 at 12:48 PM

Dear Leader “asked” the insurance companies to explain in the cancellation letters that it is not his fault…LOL.

As Ezekiel Emanuel said plainly, the individual insurance market is over.

And the employer market will be in a year.

d1carter on November 7, 2013 at 12:52 PM

Only three?

Blaming the insurance companies can only go so far. First of all, the administration wrote the rules that set the conditions under which plans lose their grandfathered status. But more important, the law has an effective date so far in the past that it virtually guaranteed that the vast majority of people currently in the individual market would end up with a notice saying they needed to buy insurance on the Obamacare exchanges.

The administration’s effort to pin the blame on insurance companies is a classic case of misdirection. Between 75 and 95 percent of the problem stems from the effective date, but the White House chooses to keep the focus elsewhere.

A couple of thoughts on Kessler’s equivocations…

But more important, the law has an effective date so far in the past…

Left unasked is the simple questions as to why the law has an effective date set so far in the past? It was the intent of the Administration / Congressional Democrats to set this date so far in the past to a) ensure that that the (expected) ClusterFark would not happen until AFTER the 2012 Presidential Election and b) ensure that there would be plenty of people being driven into the exchanges in order to try to minimize the risks of a premium death spiral crippling the ACA.

Reading between the lines, it appears to me that Kessler drops one of the possible four pinocchios because it’s not the fault of the WH for the effective date being way back in 2010. It’s typical of Kessler to be this disingenuous when defending the President.

Second, we have the description of the actions of the WH as being just ‘a classic case of misdirection’, in an effort to downplay just how mendacious and disingenuous the WH has and remains regarding protecting not only their credibility, but hiding their obvious contempt towards the American people.

The ACA, or the EpicClusterFark, is working as intended by those who designed it. Their problem is that when they designed it, they ignored the fact that the laws of economics and human nature are immutable and inviolable.

Athos on November 7, 2013 at 12:53 PM

In a nutshell, there is a lot of regular turnover in the individual insurance market, and it has already been over three years since the law passed — i.e., far enough in the past that it was pretty much guaranteed that most people currently in the individual market would lose their plans and find themselves being herded toward the ObamaCare exchanges. That’s kind of the idea, no?

Of course this was the idea. But Dems were certain that we’d all be demanding our Obamacare by this point. And they would get all the credit for passing it into law despite GOP resistance.

The real question is if the Dems are smart enough to do what needs to be done to manage what is clearly a debacle. That starts by the lazy stupid one coming clean with Americans about the lies, acknowledging the website was not ready, firing people for their incompetence, and essentially making the case for Obamacare anew based on the idea that we should all be paying more so that his parasites can get health insurance. It might even work for him.

Happy Nomad on November 7, 2013 at 12:57 PM

Senator Mike Enzi tried to stop this with a bill in 2010. It was quickly voted down by the Progs. The video of his floor speech is almost eerie how precise his predictions were.

d1carter on November 7, 2013 at 12:57 PM

So when does The Chosen One start demonizing the press?

GarandFan on November 7, 2013 at 12:48 PM

Jay Carney’s been trying for a few weeks now. Turns out that he doesn’t like it when they ask tough questions like “why did your boss lie for the last three years?”

Happy Nomad on November 7, 2013 at 12:59 PM

Three pinocchio’s is simply not enough ……………….. they need to establish a new category for this debacle. The White House should get FIVE pinocchio’s and a kick in the azz.

SC.Charlie on November 7, 2013 at 12:59 PM

Jay Carney’s been trying for a few weeks now. Turns out that he doesn’t like it when they ask tough questions like “why did your boss lie for the last three years?” – Happy Nomad on November 7, 2013 at 12:59 PM

I have no sympathy for Jay Carney or any of the lying, inept members of the Obama administration …….. or the Democrat Party.

SC.Charlie on November 7, 2013 at 1:01 PM

No change is required unless insurance companies change existing plans,” tweeted Valerie Jarrett

Lets not forget whats included in the descriptor “change”.

Changing the annual premium of a policy that is not modified in any other way slams it into the “not grandfathered” clause.

Meaning, nobody has a plan they can keep.

BobMbx on November 7, 2013 at 1:02 PM

Yesterday Obama was down in Texas…Cause he’s campaigning for Obamacare Ya’ll

Obama:

“One of the things that gets me a little frustrated,” Obama said, “are folks who are complaining about how the website’s not working, and why isn’t Obama fixing it. And yet they’re leaving more than a million people right now without health insurance that they could immediately fix.”

Gov. Perry did not mince words in his response to the President’s request, saying:

““President Obama deceived the American people by promising that anyone who liked their health care plan could keep it, but millions of Americans are now discovering that simply isn’t true. Now, he’s coming to Texas in a desperate attempt to salvage his ill-conceived and unpopular program from a Titanic fate by preaching expansion of the same Medicaid system he himself admits is broken. In Texas, where Medicaid already consumes a quarter of the state budget, we simply need the flexibility to implement fundamental, state-specific reforms to our Medicaid program, instead of a one-size-fits-all Washington mandate, before it bankrupts our state. Mr. President, Texans aren’t the reason Obamacare is crumbling; Obamacare is the reason Obamacare is crumbling.”

Texas is one of 21 states that declined to expand Medicaid as part of Obamacare. There were several bipartisan attempts last legislative session to come up with a Texas-specific version of expansion. None of those bills gained enough support to move forward.

http://capitaltonighttx.ynn.com/2013/11/06/perry-blasts-obama-over-call-for-medicaid-expansion/

workingclass artist on November 7, 2013 at 1:03 PM

Senator Mike Enzi tried to stop this with a bill in 2010. It was quickly voted down by the Progs. The video of his floor speech is almost eerie how precise his predictions were.

d1carter on November 7, 2013 at 12:57 PM

Eerily precise? Come’on! Hellen Keller could have seen this coming. The problem is that for all the Republican Cassandras, the Senate and the lazy stupid one refused to let anything change despite Obamacare being bad public policy.

So here we are. May Bart Stupak die a slow painful death at the hands of Obamacare.

Happy Nomad on November 7, 2013 at 1:03 PM

It is silly to give any credence to the WaPo or Kessler as to what is the truth and what is a lie…

This whole fraud was based on a lie that Dear Leader and his hencemen intentionally perpetrated on the American people.

Should the nation simply ignore that fact?

So far, Boehner has put up a comical Youtube video…

d1carter on November 7, 2013 at 1:05 PM

I’ll trade WAPO pinnochio’s for Impeachment

thanks

workingclass artist on November 7, 2013 at 1:05 PM

There aren’t enough Pinocchio’s for this Administration.

portlandon on November 7, 2013 at 1:07 PM

I have no sympathy for Jay Carney or any of the lying, inept members of the Obama administration …….. or the Democrat Party.

SC.Charlie on November 7, 2013 at 1:01 PM

Neither do I. But it is fun seeing them all swinging in the wind trying to explain why, in September, they were telling us how awesome it was going to be on October 1st with the roll out of Obamacare. It was going to be Mardi Gras, New Years Eve, and your birthday all rolled into one. Chad Henderson, as an early pioneer of the right demographic, was trotted out as a hero for signing up for Obamacare!

Now they have to explain why they’ve been lying for three years. Why the website was never going to be capable of working the way it was supposed to. Why those who are keeping their policies are paying astronomical premiums and huge deductibles.

Happy Nomad on November 7, 2013 at 1:08 PM

Happy Nomad on November 7, 2013 at 1:03 PM

Yes, precise. It seems the State Run Media, the Progs and even the leadership of the GOP are surprised by the pain this is/will cause Americans. The GOP seems to be okay with the pain as long as they benefit from the political fallout.

d1carter on November 7, 2013 at 1:09 PM

IF…..IF….IF……

The republican leadership wasn’t on board (and making Obama look like the bad cop) with this shinola we’d be having IMPEACHMENT proceedings against him.

Alas…..we’re stuck settling for the RGA screwing candidates we support and being happy about long noses from this 1960 news medium.

PappyD61 on November 7, 2013 at 1:11 PM

Three pinocchio’s is simply not enough ……………….. they need to establish a new category for this debacle. The White House should get FIVE pinocchio’s and a kick in the azz.

SC.Charlie on November 7, 2013 at 12:59 PM

Soon, we’ll be assigning Obamas instead of Pinocchio’s.

BobMbx on November 7, 2013 at 1:12 PM

Here’s how the insurance companies can fight back

Don’t cancel anymore claims and reinstate the one’s you did cancel.

Let the Obama Administration sue you, under the PPACA, to cancel the plans.

Honestly, grow some stones or shut up.

Marcus Traianus on November 7, 2013 at 1:13 PM

They should start handing out Goebbelses.

Schadenfreude on November 7, 2013 at 1:15 PM

Kessler, as I said earlier, is doing his bit to try to lessen the pressure on the WH over the President’s massive lie – by trying to spin the massive lie as something far smaller and more benign than it actually was / is.

What Kessler is doing is little different from Jay Carney telling the WH Press Corps that all of this is over less than 5% of the people….

The Obama administration projected low-end, mid-range and high-end estimates for how many plans would be terminated, in total and broken down between large and smaller employers. The bottom line is that the administration expected 51% of all employer plans to be terminated as a result of Obamacare. That is the mid-range estimate; the high-end estimate was 69%. So as of 2010, the Obama administration planned that most Americans with employer-sponsored health care plans would lose them, whether they liked those plans or not.

As for individual, as opposed to group plans, the Obama administration said that data were insufficient to predict how many would lose grandfather status, but in any given year the percentage of such policies losing such status would “exceed[] the 40 percent to 67 percent range.

Those numbers starkly contradict Obama’s “if you like your insurance, you can keep it” assurances. But it is worth noting that the percentage of pre-Obamacare plans that would terminate within the first few years after the law was enacted isn’t the main point. The administration never intended to allow any American to keep a non-Obamacare insurance policy for any length of time.

Given this last sentence, the President’s repeated insistence around ‘if you like your insurance plan, you can keep your insurance plan…period’ does deserve not just the maximum pinocchios that Kessler uses, but several beyond it given that the alternative plans are generally more expensive, have larger deductibles and out of pocket costs than before, and have far more restrictions regarding the network (Doctors and Hospitals).

We are watching not only the deceit of the President / WH in this, but the deceit of Congressional Democrats who foisted this clusterfark on the country, and the willingness of the intellectually and ethically bankrupt media to minimize the myths and deceit around Obamacare.

Athos on November 7, 2013 at 1:15 PM

WaPoo should have made an exception in this instance and assigned FIVE Pinocchios to the outright, frank, naked, bold-faced lie.

ExpressoBold on November 7, 2013 at 1:18 PM

WaPo: Three pinocchios for the White House trying to pin cancellations on insurance companies

“Three pinocchios”??

Awwwwwww…now isn’t that hard hitting, precious, and so cute…clever… …so liberal…so progressive…

:(

–BUuuuRP–

BigSven on November 7, 2013 at 1:18 PM

We are watching not only the deceit of the President / WH in this, but the deceit of Congressional Democrats who foisted this clusterfark on the country, and the willingness of the intellectually and ethically bankrupt media to minimize the myths and deceit around Obamacare.

Athos on November 7, 2013 at 1:15 PM

I agree. Who is respresenting the opposition? Conservative media, individual Americans, or the GOP. Just kidding on that last one.

d1carter on November 7, 2013 at 1:21 PM

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It’s all about us, not anything but us. Thank you Yahoo News.

PappyD61 on November 7, 2013 at 1:21 PM

I thought Johnny Mc and Peter King were experts at messaging for the State Run Media. Where are the gasbags now..?

d1carter on November 7, 2013 at 1:23 PM

Great news. Obama has flown to Dallas and has been met with people protesting Obamacare. We are only thirteen days from the 50th anniversary of the murder of JFK …………. and, he goes to Dallas. What is doing, tempting fate?

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/11/obama-flies-to-dallas-to-promote-o-care-protest-breaks-out-video/

SC.Charlie on November 7, 2013 at 1:24 PM

So I guess Kessler missed that class taught by Sara Collins? Oh well, I’m sure there’s a make-up class available.

/reeducation

Ward Cleaver on November 7, 2013 at 1:24 PM

Three? Did they forget how to count any higher than that?

besser tot als rot on November 7, 2013 at 12:45 PM

It’s a bigger whoppper than 3 pinocchios, of course. But let’s face it. For the WaPo “fact checker” to award any pinnochios to Obama is always a man-bites-dog story.

As long as nobody expects me to praise them for saying what any fool can plainly see…

There Goes the Neighborhood on November 7, 2013 at 1:28 PM

WaPo has been handing out so many Pinocchios that they didn’t have a fourth one available.

freedomfirst on November 7, 2013 at 1:29 PM

As Ezekiel Emanuel said plainly, the individual insurance market is over.

And the employer market will be in a year.

d1carter on November 7, 2013 at 12:52 PM

Actually, it will start a lot sooner. Our Company’s plan renews in June. March, we will receive our new rates. We are required on Prevailing rate jobs to pay benefits up to a certain amount. If the rate increases enough, we will no longer pay 100% of their medical benefits for them and their families. Family plans will probably be discontinued or deducted from our employees pay, therefore their disposal income will go down. It is going to be interesting this next year.

PrettyD_Vicious on November 7, 2013 at 1:34 PM

Here’s how the insurance companies can fight back

Don’t cancel anymore claims and reinstate the one’s you did cancel. Let the Obama Administration sue you, under the PPACA, to cancel the plans. Honestly, grow some stones or shut up.

Marcus Traianus on November 7, 2013 at 1:13 PM

I like this.
Insurance companies will likely make more money from the canceled free market policies rather than what the govt was willing to allow them to keep.

freedomfirst on November 7, 2013 at 1:40 PM

You folks don’t understand. “Period” means “if it hasn’t changed.”

So, by substitution: “If you like your plan, you can keep your plan, period,” becomes “If you like your plan, you can keep your plan, if it hasn’t changed.”

You just don’t like the plan because you’re racists. And the republicans are sabotaging Obamacare. I notice you’re suggesting that pinocchio, a white boy puppet, I might add, would have health care but that’s not true. And unicorns.

Bring us a shrubbery!

Wino on November 7, 2013 at 1:48 PM

Senator Mike Enzi tried to stop this with a bill in 2010. It was quickly voted down by the Progs. The video of his floor speech is almost eerie how precise his predictions were.

d1carter on November 7, 2013 at 12:57 PM

Senator Mike Enzi (R-WY) had the foresight to see this coming three years ago, warned the Senate about it, and was voted down by the Dem majority. He is up for re-election in 2014, and this is one good reason that Wyoming Republican voters should not be fooled by Egolizabeth Cheney into taking Enzi out in the primary.

Steve Z on November 7, 2013 at 1:49 PM

No doubt there were a few bad apple insurers at one time, but the market has been so heavily regulated and for such a long time, it’s beyond belief that any which exist didn’t have government imprimatur, and that makes me think those would have been run by former politicians.

If there is anything that should be called a “bad apple” now, it’s the government.

Dusty on November 7, 2013 at 1:51 PM

WaPo has been handing out so many Pinocchios that they didn’t have a fourth one available.

freedomfirst on November 7, 2013 at 1:29 PM

Obama has been piling up so many Pinocchios lately that his nose must be weighing him down.

Exit question: Who is playing Geppetto the puppet-master in this tragic tale? Kathleen Sebelius? Or Valerie Jarrett?

Steve Z on November 7, 2013 at 1:53 PM

Far be it from me to stick up for insurance companies. I HATE them!! But this is the ONE instance in which they are blameless. The Catch 22 is that if they don’t cancel existing health care policies (all of which are breaking some arcane law–such as allowing nuns with rusty butcher knives to perform post-term abortions in Catholic hospitals–they are law breakers. But, if they cancel the policies, which they are REQUIRED to do by law, it’s their fault.

MaiDee on November 7, 2013 at 1:54 PM

d1carter on November 7, 2013 at 12:57 PM

Steve Z on November 7, 2013 at 1:49 PM

It’s good to see this as it changes my opinion of Enzi some.

The problem I see, though, Steve, is that Enzi needs to step it up and make these cases, not on the floor of the Senate, but publicly and from as many soapboxes as he can find. If he will commit to being a media hound in the fight for his principles and ideas, then I can support him.

Dusty on November 7, 2013 at 1:57 PM

Great news. Obama has flown to Dallas and has been met with people protesting Obamacare. We are only thirteen days from the 50th anniversary of the murder of JFK …………. and, he goes to Dallas. What is doing, tempting fate?

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/11/obama-flies-to-dallas-to-promote-o-care-protest-breaks-out-video/

SC.Charlie on November 7, 2013 at 1:24 PM

He’ll probably ride in an open convertible past the book depository.

Time to recycle some old encyclopedias out the window. Oops…

Steve Z on November 7, 2013 at 1:59 PM

therefore their disposal income will go down. It is going to be interesting this next year.

PrettyD_Vicious on November 7, 2013 at 1:34 PM

.
This is a misspelling but, somehow, quite appropriate.

ExpressoBold on November 7, 2013 at 2:01 PM

There’s something strange in the neighborhood :)

Schadenfreude on November 7, 2013 at 2:04 PM

That’s a start.

petunia on November 7, 2013 at 2:10 PM

Pinocchio stocks might be a good investment with 3 yrs remaining on this dope’s term.

hillsoftx on November 7, 2013 at 2:12 PM

That starts by the lazy stupid one coming clean with Americans about the lies, acknowledging the website was not ready, firing people for their incompetence, and essentially making the case for Obamacare anew based on the idea that we should all be paying more so that his parasites can get health insurance. It might even work for him.

Happy Nomad on November 7, 2013 at 12:57 PM

It would be easier for Obama to grow wings and fly to Mars on his own power than to come clean about all of his lies.

LASue on November 7, 2013 at 2:12 PM

I think Obama/Pelosi/Reid are simply trying to defy the old adage about “taking a horse to water”. In this case, we are being led to water (no change there) but now we will drink.

teejk on November 7, 2013 at 2:26 PM

Great news. Obama has flown to Dallas and has been met with people protesting Obamacare. We are only thirteen days from the 50th anniversary of the murder of JFK …………. and, he goes to Dallas. What is doing, tempting fate?

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/11/obama-flies-to-dallas-to-promote-o-care-protest-breaks-out-video/

SC.Charlie on November 7, 2013 at 1:24 PM

He’ll probably ride in an open convertible past the book depository.

Time to recycle some old encyclopedias out the window. Oops…

Steve Z on November 7, 2013 at 1:59 PM

I’m sure he’d love a try-and-miss, so he could go all Enabling Acts on the peasantry and Kristallnacht on everybody from Israel to the tea parties.

Trouble is, even he has nobody in his inner circle he’d trust to actually try to miss.

There is no honor among thieves, and very little loyalty among the upper echelons of any revolutionary foco.

Loyalty is expected from the foot soldiers shouting Viva La Revolucion’!! in the town square while waving old rifles over their heads.

Among the Fearless Leaders, it is considered a bourgeois affectation. To them, a true revolutionary leader’s first- and only- loyalty is to himself.

This is why revolutionary governments rarely end up being run by the guys who started the revolution in the first place. And why most such end in mutual assured self-destruction sooner or later.

clear ether

eon

eon on November 7, 2013 at 2:26 PM

WaPo: Three pinocchios for the White House trying to pin cancellations on insurance companies

What’s their max number of Pinocchios? The liberal media can’t help themselves can they?

cajunpatriot on November 7, 2013 at 2:27 PM

Three Pinocchios, two Geppettos and one big whale of a lie.

Fallon on November 7, 2013 at 2:31 PM

Is the Teflon finally cracking?

Dhuka on November 7, 2013 at 2:47 PM

No change is required unless insurance companies change existing plans,” tweeted Valerie Jarrett

Lets not forget whats included in the descriptor “change”.

Changing the annual premium of a policy that is not modified in any other way slams it into the “not grandfathered” clause.

Meaning, nobody has a plan they can keep.

BobMbx on November 7, 2013 at 1:02 PM

Premiums tend to creep upwards because every year people have this annoying habit of aging by one year.

slickwillie2001 on November 7, 2013 at 2:49 PM

I thought Johnny Mc and Peter King were experts at messaging for the State Run Media. Where are the gasbags now..?

d1carter on November 7, 2013 at 1:23 PM

Well, King was dissing Cruz again yesterday, so…

Midas on November 7, 2013 at 3:01 PM

Pinocchio stocks might be a good investment with 3 yrs remaining on this dope’s term.

hillsoftx on November 7, 2013 at 2:12 PM

Does Gepeto’s corporation / estate get royalties for every use?
Does anyone know the stock code, if it’s publicly traded?

I just got a big investment from a member of the Nigerian royal family that I need to rollover…..

dentarthurdent on November 7, 2013 at 3:27 PM

This is why revolutionary governments rarely end up being run by the guys who started the revolution in the first place. And why most such end in mutual assured self-destruction sooner or later.

clear ether

eon

eon on November 7, 2013 at 2:26 PM

Well said. I think Leon Trotsky would tend to agree.

lfwest on November 7, 2013 at 6:01 PM

Three? Did they forget how to count any higher than that?

besser tot als rot on November 7, 2013 at 12:45 PM

That was my first thought when I saw the title: Three?

I see the preezy blowing his whistle as hard as he can. I just don’t hear anything when he does. He must be on a different frequency than me.

Parabellum on November 8, 2013 at 11:00 AM