Quotes of the day

posted at 10:41 pm on November 7, 2013 by Allahpundit

I’m sorry, too, Mr. President…

I’m sorry your aides debated whether to tell the full truth (that people could keep their insurance only if it hadn’t changed and if it met your standards) and decided instead to institutionalize the lie…

I’m sorry you didn’t trust Americans with the truth.

I’m sorry that the Democratic Party’s decades-old chase toward universal health care is now at risk because your law—your legacy, sir—is off to such a miserable start. The online networks don’t work and the people you need bought into the system, particularly young Americans, can’t access the market and now may never trust it … or you.

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ObamaCare’s financing won’t work unless “young healthies” (or their parents) pay through the nose for coverage under parental plans or via the individual mandate. The 18-26 age group is the lowest user of care, the least costly to cover and the most profitable of all health-insurance coverage. Yet the group faces extraordinarily high ObamaCare rates.

A Manhattan Institute analysis of Health and Human Services numbers notes that a 27-year-old male will pay 99% higher premiums under ObamaCare than he would under previously prevailing market rates. One reason is that the law now limits insurers to charging the sickest seniors no more than three times the amount they charge their youngest customers. Given that 64-year-olds use on average six times as much health care as 19-year-olds, the Affordable Care Act forces young people to pay considerably more than the cost of their own care.

Young men and women who pay a fine instead of buying coverage are not making an irrational choice. They know how little care they need and use. They also may be beginning to understand that the high cost of their plans reflects the redistribution of their wealth to older people and a bunch of mandated services that don’t make sense for them.

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Ian Hodge of Lancaster, Pa., fears he’ll lose out financially. He and his wife are in their early 60s, so Hodge said “we really don’t worry about maternal care,” one of the guaranteed benefits in the new plans. The Hodges recently got a cancellation notice and they’re concerned a new plan may costs them hundreds of dollars more than they are paying now.

“We are the persons who President Obama wants to pay more in health care so we can subsidize some of the people who will pay less,” said Hodge.

A new analysis backs up his instinct. The study by the Kaiser Family Foundation found that people who already have individual coverage, like the Hodges, are less likely to qualify for the tax credits that will make coverage more affordable through the health law’s insurance markets.

According to the findings, 73 percent of potential customers who are uninsured will be eligible for tax credits that limit their premiums to a fixed percentage of their income. However, fewer than 40 percent of those who currently have individual health insurance will qualify.

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[O]f 29 million people who might enter the Obamacare exchanges, about 17 million would be eligible for subsidies. That’s about 59 percent who would be eligible for taxpayer-paid assistance, versus 41 percent who are not. That’s a majority on the subsidy side, but not a huge one. Then figure that some of those who are eligible for help will only be eligible for very small subsidies. For example, a family of four in St. Louis, Mo., with one parent who earns $48,000 and another who earns $37,000 would be eligible for a subsidy — all of $13 per year to pay for an $8,088 policy — that is virtually no help at all. (The numbers come from the Kaiser Foundation’s online subsidy calculator.)

Out of the 59 percent who are eligible for subsidies, then, some portion will receive subsidies that do not cover the increased cost of their new coverage. For them, Obamacare will be a net loss. So, it’s unlikely Obamacare will actually help the full 59 percent of those eligible for subsidies by Kaiser’s estimate. The bottom line is, Obamacare could very well hurt substantially more than 41 percent of the people who are currently uninsured or purchase coverage on the individual market. That’s not exactly making the system work “better for everybody.”

And that’s not even beginning to consider the far larger number of people who receive their health coverage through work. If Obamacare means they pay more, either through work or being thrown by their employers into the exchanges, the help vs. hurt ratio could change considerably, and not in the president’s favor.

Obamacare’s future depends on those numbers.

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While I’m sure the Petersens have worked very hard throughout their lives and deserve a comfortable retirement, but let’s examine what this story actually represents: Two people who can easily obtain insurance on the individual market, despite their preexisting conditions, have to pay a lot for the health care they consume, but an amount they can afford at their income levels – but not at their expected level of retirement income. Because Obamacare provides direct subsidies from the federal fisc, and indirect subsidies from the higher premiums paid by younger people and healthier people, their rates have dropped low enough that they can now close their small business and live off of their retirement savings — at the expense of others.

Lots of decisions we all make involve implicit tax subsidies and social costs. But early retirement, needless to say, doesn’t really have much to do with the stated intent of Obamacare — expanding insurance to people who can’t get it or can’t afford it. The NPR story acknowledges that this is a rather odd side benefit of the law, and notes that we don’t know just how widespread it will be yet: 53 percent of employees in one survey of American workers in 2012 said they stay in their jobs for more years than they want to ensure access to affordable health insurance. These are many people’s highest-saving, highest-earning, and most productive years; enabling them to draw down their savings rather than work hampers economic growth. In a post-industrial society, is there any reason to provide a subsidy for retirement at age 59? Most Americans would presumably agree there is not, which is why almost no one is suggesting we lower the starting age for federal retirement programs. But that’s in effect what Obamacare’s elaborate system has accomplished — while also providing implicit subsidies to people who happen to have health-care problems, some of which, like diabetes, are influenced by their personal choices.

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Gonzales acknowledged that there will be winners and losers in this transition. “There are going to be people out there that are going to find that their premiums are about the same, some are going to have them go up, some are going to have them go down,” Gonzales said.

Of the 900,000 or so people whose policies are being canceled in California, she said, about 310,000 will qualify for financial assistance, in the form of premium subsidies, which will lower the cost of coverage. The rest will not…

Hammack told me that he doesn’t know what he’s going to do. He makes slightly more than 400 percent of the federal poverty level — $62,000 for a couple — which means he isn’t eligible for premium subsidies. But he’s considering reducing his income below that level, which would reduce his premiums substantially.

Wood says that’s smart. If Hammack is able to get his income at or below $62,000, he stands to save $10,740, Wood told me in an email.

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The architects of the Affordable Care Act, like everybody who understands health policy, knew this would happen. And they crafted the law in a way that would cushion the impact for most people. The most obvious method is those subsidies, which offset higher premiums in part or in whole for the majority of people buying coverage on the new exchanges. The law has other, less well-known provisions to help restrain insurance prices—most notable among them, a “medical-loss ratio” requirement that effectively limits how much profits insurers can make. These steps will reduce the number of people unable to find better coverage or facing the prospect of actual “rate shock.” But these steps won’t help everybody. Some people will end up with worse options.

You probably want to know how many people fall into this category. Good question! The data on people buying their own insurance is incomplete, ambiguous, and conflicting. But most experts I’ve consulted believe that, of the small percentage of Americans who buy their own coverage, a minority should end up paying more next year. (For an alternative view, read Avik Roy of the Manhattan Institute.) The ones facing the most severe sticker shock will tend to be more affluent, since they will get little or no help from federal subsidies. It’s almost surely a small group of people. But how small is impossible to say with certainty…

The truth is that, until now, people in this situation have been among the few, fortunate souls for whom American health insurance is a bargain. They’ve been relatively healthy, and they’ve had relatively good incomes, making it possible to buy comprehensive policies at prices they could afford. But the practices that made insurance cheap for them made it expensive—and in many cases unavalable—for others. Their good fortune was the by-product of bad fortune for many others. As one ends, so must the other.

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Like many others, I’ve been extremely hesitant to use the word lie to describe President Obama’s oft-repeated statements that “If you like your health plan, you can keep it, period.” A lie incorporates both inaccuracy and intention. While I am and have been a fierce critic of the Affordable Care Act, I have been extremely hesitant to write that President Obama lied. But based on all the available evidence I can’t reach any other conclusion, and the importance and impact of this lie justify the accusation.

Senior White House staff debated whether the President should say this, knowing it was inaccurate. This isn’t a point one could have missed–a principal goal of the ACA was to change (they argue “strengthen,” I disagree) the individual insurance market, to replace old plans with new ones. The statement is patently false and its legislative and substantive impact were crucial. Policy staff were overruled by “political aides.” The President and his advisors knew both that this promise was essential to rounding up the votes in 2010, and that it would not be true for something like 10 million people. For me the kicker is that President Obama said it more than two dozen times, including as recently as six weeks ago. The President knew it was false and he knew it was important, and still he said it over and over again…

As someone who spent countless hours ensuring Presidential policy accuracy, the idea that an Obama White House staffer would lose such an internal battle, that they would give President Obama a speech staff knew was wrong, is beyond my experience. A White House Chief of Staff who permits President Obama to say something he knows is false violates everything I learned about serving a President. A President must not lie to the American people and Congress about a core element of his signature domestic policy initiative, even if doing so is necessary for that initiative to become law. When he did this, President Obama breached the trust America needs to have in her President.

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williamg on November 8, 2013 at 1:30 AM

Me too, thing is tho I hate pop-corn! What do you suggest?

Scrumpy on November 8, 2013 at 1:32 AM

……a nice, big, frosty mug of Schadenfreude……over Ice!

williamg on November 8, 2013 at 2:00 AM

thatsafactjack on November 8, 2013 at 1:57 AM

God Bless MG! Sleep well and wake refreshed and raring to go!!

Scrumpy on November 8, 2013 at 2:00 AM

Dire Straits on November 8, 2013 at 1:57 AM

It makes sense, but I doubt the states have the oney to comply without generous hand outs from the benevolent govt

Scrumpy on November 8, 2013 at 2:02 AM

oney = Money lol

Scrumpy on November 8, 2013 at 2:02 AM

I feel without a doubt
It’s time to turnabout
Things out there
Make me aware
That I don’t care

Violence on my TV
Brings out the best in me
I desire
You Talk Sunshine, I Breathe Fire

Anti-Control on November 8, 2013 at 2:02 AM

4 on 4?

Scrumpy on November 8, 2013 at 2:03 AM

Ok, I looked d1carter – here’s just one

Alaskan Patriot M4

Blintner:

What even more fun is searching on Youtube for “Obama voters”. These brain dead idiots are so funny its almost embarrassing to watch. But you can get a good idea of how someone so inept and incompetent got into office when viewing these uneducated, clueless imbeciles.

————

The leftists are revolting because obama’s sh*t is not Beluga, it’s poison :)

Indeed. Short, concise…and completely accurate. :)

thatsafactjack on November 8, 2013 at 1:54 AM

What makes it even more delicious, he’s ‘dumber’ than “Bushchimpey” :)

Schadenfreude on November 8, 2013 at 2:04 AM

PolAgnostic on November 8, 2013 at 1:50 AM PolAgnostic

You cold very well be correct..Very good points..:)

Dire Straits on November 8, 2013 at 2:05 AM

Schadenfreude on November 8, 2013 at 2:04 AM

YOU are having way too much fun to leave ain’t ya! Lol ;D

Scrumpy on November 8, 2013 at 2:05 AM

PolAgnostic on November 8, 2013 at 1:50 AM PolAgnostic

You could very well be correct..Very good points..:)

Dire Straits on November 8, 2013 at 2:05 AM

Sorry..Fixed..:)

Dire Straits on November 8, 2013 at 2:06 AM

What the bloody heck am I still doing up?

Scrumpy on November 8, 2013 at 2:06 AM

Time to go, good folks of HA! One and ALL!!

God Bless you all, and sleep well!

Good Night peeps :)

* swoosh *

Scrumpy on November 8, 2013 at 2:07 AM

YOU are having way too much fun to leave ain’t ya! Lol ;D

Scrumpy on November 8, 2013 at 2:05 AM

Indeed. I live for his demise, mockery and ridicule. He can’t stand to be mocked. He is smart enough to know how dumb he is, and how laughed at. I love to observe his pain. I always said that such charlatanry must/will be punished.

Now I need 3 days to listen to all the good music.

Out and clear/Roger, until the morn.

Schadenfreude on November 8, 2013 at 2:08 AM

A bientot, mes amis!

Goodnight, you moonlight ladies

PolAgnostic on November 8, 2013 at 2:08 AM

It’s really something when a God falls, isn’t it?

kim roy on November 8, 2013 at 2:09 AM

Sweetest Ladies of The Hot Airians, now THIS is “Instant Karma”……it’s gonna grab him by the FACE!!”….

williamg on November 8, 2013 at 1:57 AM

John Lennon – “Gimme Some Truth”

I’m sick and tired of hearing things
From uptight, short-sighted, narrow-minded hypocritics
All I want is the truth
Just gimme some truth

I’ve had enough of reading things
By neurotic, psychotic, pig-headed politicians
All I want is the truth
Just gimme some truth

Anti-Control on November 8, 2013 at 2:10 AM

Schadenfreude on November 8, 2013 at 2:08 AM

YOU shall see it, we all will, and we all will rejoice!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Good Night PolA :)

Scrumpy on November 8, 2013 at 2:10 AM

Happiness……..

williamg on November 8, 2013 at 2:14 AM

Scrumpy on November 8, 2013 at 2:02 AM

Good point..:)

Dire Straits on November 8, 2013 at 2:16 AM

To The GOP: Don’t Let Me DOWN!!!

williamg on November 8, 2013 at 2:18 AM

Generation X – “Ready, Steady, Go”

Well, I was in love with The Beatles
I was in love with The Stones, no satisfaction
I was in love with Bobby Dylan
Because I’m in love with Rock ‘n’ Roll

Anti-Control on November 8, 2013 at 2:20 AM

And things ain’t what they used to be
And This Ain’t the Summer Fall of Love

Anti-Control on November 8, 2013 at 2:24 AM

I hope that little boy Oblieme Red ends up in his own twilight zone, in a loop over and over and over. (I hope his chickens come home to roost.)

MontanaMmmm on November 8, 2013 at 2:16 AM

haha

Anti-Control on November 8, 2013 at 2:28 AM

Sorry..Fixed..:)

Dire Straits on November 8, 2013 at 2:06 AM

…saw something like this…a LOT earlier on a much earlier thread…with Bmore….had my eyes checked!…must have been Dave!

KOOLAID2 on November 8, 2013 at 2:29 AM

Old: The GOP will betray you..:)
New: The RINO will run over you..:)

..:)

KOOLAID2 on November 8, 2013 at 2:41 AM

Dirty Angels – “Kiss Tomorrow Goodbye”

Anti-Control on November 8, 2013 at 2:44 AM

Precious Metal – “Seven Minutes to Midnight”

\m/

Anti-Control on November 8, 2013 at 2:53 AM

OT, but important — it appears the Democrats have “located” 3,000 missing ballots in Virginia that will likely tip the Attorney General’s race back into the blue column:

The Fairfax County Electoral Board is investigating a possible irregularity in the number of absentee ballots cast in Virginia’s largest jurisdiction that Democrats say could shift votes in the still-unresolved race for Virginia attorney general.

From Cook Political Report’s Dave Wasserman:

@Redistrict

IF the 3k missing Fairfax Co. votes are counted, it’s likely @MarkObenshain’s current 777 vote lead would turn into a 500-1,000 vote deficit

Just like clockwork, heh.

Robert_Paulson on November 8, 2013 at 2:58 AM

It’s really something when a Ggod falls, isn’t it?

kim roy on November 8, 2013 at 2:09 AM

Yes, it is! :)

Diesel – “Remember The Romans”

Remember the Romans
Remember the Greeks
Ignoring the omens
The signs so to speak
And if you won’t listen
Baby be on your guard
‘Cause when life seems so pretty
The truth will be hard
When you get what you deserve

Anti-Control on November 8, 2013 at 2:59 AM

MontanaMmmm on November 8, 2013 at 2:16 AM

LoLz..:)

Dire Straits on November 8, 2013 at 2:59 AM

KOOLAID2 on November 8, 2013 at 2:29 AM

LoLz..:)

Dire Straits on November 8, 2013 at 3:00 AM

KOOLAID2 on November 8, 2013 at 2:41 AM

Word!!..:

Dire Straits on November 8, 2013 at 3:01 AM

A Huffington Post comment:

This whole sorry situation [Obamacare] will continue ad infinitum ad nauseum until insurance companies are totally factored out of the equation.

We need to create a National Health Service with stature equal to that of the Defense Department. We need to create a corps of dedicated health service professionals through public support of health service education.

We need to make medical, dental, vision, hearing, substance abuse and mental health care available to all comers without the impediments of co-pays and deductibles.

This is going to sound oh so wonderful, especially to the young and idealistic. How great it would be, if you have a medical issue, to just to walk downtown and get it taken care, no trouble and no cost.

The problem is that doctors and medical services don’t grow on trees, it’s expensive, and without significant economic pressures and incentives to get costs under control, the quality of rationed care just becomes a nightmare. An effort should be made to communicate this truth to the left. Here’s a good article on the terribleness of govt run health care: http://frontpagemag.com/2013/john-perazzo/obamacare-the-unimaginable-suffering-that-awaits-us/. In addition, assuming Obamacare will be failing as far as getting enough young people and revenue, this article lays out the coming fight for either bailing out the insurance companies or going single payer: http://spectator.org/archives/2013/11/05/the-coming-obamacare-bailout. Of course, the option that we as Republicans may push for is to bail out the insurance companies contingent upon Obamacare being scrapped with a free market replacement.

Of course, if we don’t control congress and the presidency, the pressure will be on to make the quick move to single payer fully govt controlled health care. So, think about doing what we can to unify our party so we can win, otherwise it probably will end up as single payer. If we go into the next major election, not to mention minor elections like 2014, with a situation like we had in VA where we are divided and a third party spoiler candidate is gaining substantial traction, we will be in deep trouble.

anotherJoe on November 8, 2013 at 3:05 AM

Anyway, in my last post I was going to also mention the Singapore medical system as a market-oriented model we should consider. Apparently everyone has (though mandatory) health saving accounts, and there is high profile price competition for all medical services. Everyone pays for their own medical care, so the costs are driven way way down.

I heard this author on Fox a couple nights ago talking about his book and the dramatic difference in costs (for example, an angioplasty may be 13k instead of 80k) of health care: http://www.amazon.com/Affordable-Excellence-Singapore-Health-System-ebook/dp/B00CDUS7WS

anotherJoe on November 8, 2013 at 3:11 AM

The only thing that comes close to some of the comments I’ve been reading….Chevy Chase in Christmas Vacation….LOL.
See you guys later…
Keep fighting.

d1carter on November 8, 2013 at 1:53 AM

Divinyls – “Fighting”

Anti-Control on November 8, 2013 at 3:37 AM

This liberal blog has the latest Jon Stewart video, here: http://americablog.com/2013/11/gop-health-care-plan-like-doctor-get-keep-doctor-period.html, in which the first half is really good where Stewart mocks the “IF” part of Obama’s “I said you could keep your plan… IF blah blah blah.” (But the second is dubious as Stewart pivots into tearing into Republicans.)

For an idea of what’s going on in the minds of some on the left, here is an interesting comment thread from the liberal blog linked to above:
karmanot:
Yep, GOP/T’Pers believe everybody has the Constitutional right to be their own death panel.
ezpz:
I recently heard someone on the tv say it very well (paraphrased): Obamacare was supposed to insure the uninsured and uninsure the insured.
Ford Prefect:
My question is this: is “Obamacare” the template for privatizing Medicare and SS or not? If so, then this entire charade is just one big looting operation and they’ve institutionalized criminal activities to pave the way.
Naja pallida:
The Affordable Care Act is certainly a step closer to privatizing Medicare than it is a step towards single payer, that so many people, on both sides, have tried to claim it is.
Ford Prefect:
Democrats seem increasingly schizophrenic at this point. Here we are, institutionalizing corruption, fraud and theft… and Democrats are proud of all this? If not for insane GOPers saying stupid things, people might have to pay attention to what’s really happening.
Zorba:
Kathleen Sibelius is a partisan hack and an idiot. Maybe not quite as bad as Tommy Thompson was, but pretty damned close. Having said that, she is obviously doing exactly what Obama wanted, or he would have gotten rid of her.
Does anyone in their right mind still think that Obama is any kind of “liberal” or “progressive”? I never did, but there are still plenty of Democrats drinking the Obama Kool-Aid.
The Administration is never going to address those exemptions. Not in any substantive way. If pressed, they will give the lying rationale that “this is intended to facilitate the subsidies so that every deserving person will be able to access this easily!” And everyone gets a sparkly, rainbow-colored, flying pony, too.
Naja pallida:
I’m hoping what they’re doing is forcing her to fall on her sword for the ACA, and have her resign soon and take the blame with her. Not that I would expect her replacement to be any better, Obama is a pitiful judge of cabinet character… but still, seeing her sloughed off this leprotic administration would bring a slight upturn to my lip.
Zorba:
I suppose any little crumb that falls from the table is better than nothing. But not by much. I, too, do not expect any replacement to be any better. In fact, if the replacement is smarter than she is, he/she may be even more dangerous.

anotherJoe on November 8, 2013 at 3:49 AM

Some additional comments from the liberal thread I linked to above (http://americablog.com/2013/11/gop-health-care-plan-like-doctor-get-keep-doctor-period.html):

Ford Prefect:
Given the way the administration treats most women in their employ, I expect Sebelius to fall on her sword at some point.. Obama is almost polling in Bushian territory, regardless of Sebelius Maximus.
Perhaps the one bright spot in all this is the fact the Neo-Liberal “reform” isn’t going to work and won’t be sustainable as a result. That means it’s already time to start pushing for Single Payer while Obamacare further inflames the polity with its open corruption, ineptitude and de facto segregation of healthcare based on one’s socio-economic status.
There’s no point in waiting for Obamacare to fail. It’s already failing and it’s not even fully implemented yet. Stick a fork in it… Why not give it a wee shove into the circular file ASAP and start making a real demand of power?
karmanot:
Bingo!! Sibelius is most successful at being a parody of herself.
perljammer:
I think the Democrats, and particularly the Obama Administration, have been their own worst enemy in regard to the ACA. They have done an absolutely miserable job of promoting the program’s positives. They have constantly been on the defensive (and done a poor job at that) in debunking the attacks of their political adversaries. And the whole “If you like your current plan, you can keep your current plan, period” thing was just plain wrong-headed, stupid, and deceitful. On top of all that, the healthcare.gov debacle, combined with the way it’s been handled, just reinforces into the whole “government can’t do anything right” meme.

anotherJoe on November 8, 2013 at 3:51 AM

obama is physically and mentally ill.

Look at this picture. Must be hell to be him.

Schadenfreude on November 8, 2013 at 1:48 AM

Looks like he’s about to unload a Boehner there…

\m/

Scrumpy on November 8, 2013 at 1:57 AM

:)

B.T. Express – “Do It (‘Til You’re Satisfied)”

People know just what they’d like to do
Whatever it is you got it as long it pleases you
Make it last as long as you can
When your through it’s up to you to try it again

Go on and do it
Do it, do it ’til you’re satisfied
(Whatever it is)
Do it, do it ’til you’re satisfied
Go on and do it
Do it, do it ’til you’re satisfied
(Whatever it is)
Do it, do it ’til you’re satisfied

Anti-Control on November 8, 2013 at 3:57 AM

Pish & tush, my good lady. I had a sister-in-law who was literally like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5QwjUwuZR8

[Content warning - Scrumpy's link was mild compared to this one.]

PolAgnostic on November 8, 2013 at 1:44 AM

Meh… Not impressed. In my line of work, we call that “Tuesday”…

PointnClick on November 8, 2013 at 4:17 AM

The dailymail has an article: Are you sure it’s going to be fixed within weeks, Mr. President? This is Obamacare website riddled with garbled messages today. An excerpt:

Healthcare.gov ‘is not firing effectively on all pistons,’ White House Press Secretary Jay Carney told reporters on Thursday, in what may be the understatement of the week.

When MailOnline visited the website shortly after Carney’s daily briefing, the Obamacare portal spewed a nonsensical mixture of computer code instead of a typical login screen.

Gone were words like ‘Username’ and ‘Password.’

In their place were jumbled programming strings like ‘???ffe.ee.myAccount.login.username???’ and ‘???ffe.ee.myAccount.login.password???’

There’s also a graphic of the above and other garbled healthcare dot gov web screens at: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2491576/Obamacare-website-spews-garbled-messages-despite-fixed-end-November.html

anotherJoe on November 8, 2013 at 4:32 AM

so now that he said i’m sorry, the lsm is going to say, ‘enough gop, he said he was sorry, he meant it now get over it’….no on with our GOP and tea party bashing…priorities people

right?

they believed him hook line and sinker last night, didn’t they?

cmsinaz on November 8, 2013 at 5:11 AM

i’m sure mika and joe got their morning emails from valerie…defend obama-report that he was sincere and that he apologized and that america needs to move on from this…

cmsinaz on November 8, 2013 at 5:14 AM

‘the president didn’t lie to the american people’
-msdnc/politico hack

here we go with the meme of the day…

He didn’t LIE, stop bashing our president you mean old GOP

cmsinaz on November 8, 2013 at 5:22 AM

its just a small percentage of people, c’mon man

*shaking my head*

cmsinaz on November 8, 2013 at 5:32 AM

“Having said all that, Obama added, “given that I’ve been burned already with a website–well, more importantly, the American people have been burned by–a website that has been dysfunctional, what we’ve also been doing is creating a whole other set of tracks.” ~ Barack Obama

Mr. Obama: 4 Million+ Americans are getting #BURNED by #ObamaCare. 4 American Patriots got #BURNED in #Benghazi. In comparison, your wounds are superficial.

However, hundreds of Democrats will get #BURNED by you and your Party’s obsession with federalizing the greatest health care system in the world. Now all these “greedy” insurance companies, (who offered an affordable product) are being managed/controlled/mandated by a bunch of greedy bureaucrats in Washington. And thanks to this law, as written, virtually no one can claim this government-mandated insurance is affordable. The Website, (Healthcare.gov), that you’ve been #BURNED by, is the perfect example of why a federal bureaucracy should never be allowed to govern personal choice. That you, and your Democratic Party, (who are wholly responsible for this disastrous theft of American’s health care), arrogantly chose this path of a federally socialized health care system—against the will of a majority of this nation—your party will be #burned in effigy for generations to come. And yes, Mr. Obama, this will be your legacy—and, “you can keep it”.

Rovin on November 8, 2013 at 5:54 AM

Rovin on November 8, 2013 at 5:54 AM

hear hear!

cmsinaz on November 8, 2013 at 6:01 AM

To health care, Obama is a pyromaniac.

VorDaj on November 8, 2013 at 6:01 AM

Obama thinks he’s Sherman and health care is Atlanta.

VorDaj on November 8, 2013 at 6:06 AM

hes not sorry for what he said hes just sorry for how this went about???
-msdnc hack

and the rest of the mj crew is ok with that apparently…he did enough

are you kidding me????

cmsinaz on November 8, 2013 at 6:11 AM

Only Only Only on MSDNC could you be discussing Obama lying and apologizing and confidence eroding and go to a NYT reporter who says immediately:

“This is a big problem for the Republicans. How they handle this.”

Marcus on November 8, 2013 at 6:15 AM

Marcus on November 8, 2013 at 6:15 AM

i laughed out loud when I heard him say that…what a crock…lapdog media doing their jobs well…

cmsinaz on November 8, 2013 at 6:19 AM

I don’t know about you, but Fox and Friends is much more watchable these days.

Marcus on November 8, 2013 at 6:27 AM

Marcus on November 8, 2013 at 6:27 AM

will check it out again…

cmsinaz on November 8, 2013 at 6:29 AM

The most terrifying words in the English language are: I’m from the government and I’m here to help.

- Ronald Reagan
My take: Obama: “I’m Sorry.” America: “We Know.”

kingsjester on November 8, 2013 at 6:38 AM

cmsinaz on November 8, 2013 at 6:01 AM

Thank you cmssinaz, I’ve posted this at several other sites this morning, (not so conservative-friendly), and will be awaiting the scourge of our dear liberal friends. Of course the liberal echo-chamber over at MSDNC say O’s apology is accepted and all is forgiven, (all of 45 seconds), and then on to blasting the Tea Party.

Rinse and repeat…….

Rovin on November 8, 2013 at 6:42 AM

Talking about stealin’…does this (which came first) remind you of anything? :)
Spirit – “Taurus”
Anti-Control on November 8, 2013 at 12:14 AM

Three parts Led Zeppelin and one part Moody Blues.

Murphy9 on November 8, 2013 at 6:44 AM

I’m sorry that the Democratic Party’s decades-old chase toward universal health care is now at risk because your law—your legacy, sir—is off to such a miserable start. The online networks don’t work and the people you need bought into the system, particularly young Americans, can’t access the market and now may never trust it … or you.

The moment that happens, the jig is up for the welfare state.

The people who MUST pay into it and be impoverished are not the rich, since all of their wealth won’t do squat even in one year it all was confiscated, nor the middle class which has so little in the way of liquid assets that not much can be funded by them outside of taxation. That leaves the poor, the young, the healthy.

Obamacare tries to bribe the poor, but doesn’t cover the entire cost of ‘health insurance’. That means the poor also get socked by Obamacare no matter how much you try to ‘cushion the blow’.

The young will see what all of this costs them and, as the burden of the system is on them, they will not act like good little monks in a monastery but make a rational, individual decision not to pay into the system beyond whatever the tax is. That will not even cover running the system from the federal side.

Those that are healthy will make value judgments based on current health, prospective health, known health issues in their families, and what they see as necessary for the future vs. the cost of what is offered now. That is a risk assessment done at the individual scale and only if prospective risk in the short-term outweighs expected cost does ‘health insurance’ make any sense. In that way it is closer to true ‘insurance’ than what it is for those with known and pre-existing conditions. And as only paying into the system when something actually happens is BUILT INTO Obamacare, they won’t purchase any coverage until something happens and then drop it ASAP once they are past the major problem.

Thus the sick and destitute, which means those who can’t figure out how to take care of their health, sign on. Costs necessarily skyrocket for insurers and, as Obamacare won’t allow full cost coverage, the burden of payments is shifted to hospitals and physicians who raise the price tag for everyone else. It is very possible that FEWER people will have ‘health insurance’ under what was proposed because those people require access to current medications and treatments or have a reasonable expectation of needing them very soon, as in now.

If you think this is a horror for individual coverage, just wait until you see what happens with employer paid for insurance. The fun is only just beginning and for those who want the ‘individual mandate’ put off for a year… why then you roll it right back into the employer provided mandate! If you think there are people fed up with the system now, just do that and see what happens right before the election. As it is there will be months of stories about the inability of the ‘system’ to actually stand up, to actually begin to do anything, and then, just around AUG-SEP when the insurance companies start figuring out which corporate plans they can still provide, does the SHTF.

And the young will see this new dance step coming from DC, the Charlie-Foxtrot, and begin to doubt not just Obamacare, but the M&Ms and SSA because if the federal government lied about this then what else is it lying about NOW? That is the point when the snowball starts at the top of the mountainside and you begin to hear a rumble in the mountains of an avalanche starting.

Let the Left follow their eschatology in believing that good intentions always get good results, and that more power for fewer works out ever so well for everyone. Let them praise the rumble and the wind coming down from the mountains!

Let the rest of us find shelter as Let It Burn is not a choice at that point: it becomes mandatory.

ajacksonian on November 8, 2013 at 6:46 AM

Yepper Rovin….
Keep fighting! some of those libs are highlarious trying to debate you on those other sites…idiots

cmsinaz on November 8, 2013 at 6:49 AM

My take: Obama: “I’m Sorry.” America: “We Know.”

kingsjester on November 8, 2013 at 6:38 AM

My take- Saying sorry without really meaning it is worse than keeping your mouth shut in the first place. Fact of the matter is that the worthless lazy stupid shiftless coward knew that this would happen all along. He’s only sorry that he got caught and was called out on it. The wealth redistribution of Obamacare rests on herding the productive into the system and the filthy rat-eared bastard isn’t sorry about that one bit.

And today, it looks like the jobs report will be weak and unemployment will rise.

Happy Nomad on November 8, 2013 at 6:51 AM

Great take KJ

Last sentence says it all

cmsinaz on November 8, 2013 at 6:52 AM

Only Only Only on MSDNC could you be discussing Obama lying and apologizing and confidence eroding and go to a NYT reporter who says immediately:

“This is a big problem for the Republicans. How they handle this.”

Marcus on November 8, 2013 at 6:15 AM

I’m with Krauthammer on this one. During the shutdown, the GOP offered up delaying the individual mandate and the Dems rejected it out of hand as unacceptable. Now, the Dems up for re-election are crapping their pants in fear as the Obamacare debacle continues. They are fearful enough that delay of the individual mandate is looking pretty darned good.

THE GOP SHOULD SAY “NO” UNLESS THEY GET SOMETHING OUT OF THE DEAL. Maybe debt reduction. Maybe something else. But you never let a crisis go to waste and Dems like Mary Landrieu know they stayed on the Obamacare bandwagon far too long and will end up paying for it next year. Make it cost them.

Happy Nomad on November 8, 2013 at 6:56 AM

cmsinaz on November 8, 2013 at 6:52 AM

Thank you, ma’am!

kingsjester on November 8, 2013 at 6:58 AM

I don’t know about you, but Fox and Friends is much more watchable these days.

Marcus on November 8, 2013 at 6:27 AM

And Greta, much to my surprise, is actually doing more than tabloid TV these days. Looks like the FNC shake-up was long overdue.

Happy Nomad on November 8, 2013 at 6:58 AM

HN I wouldn’t give the dems the delay now…let them suffer the consequences…. they wanted this.. they own it

cmsinaz on November 8, 2013 at 6:59 AM

Nicole Wallace was impressed with his apology, natch

cmsinaz on November 8, 2013 at 7:05 AM

HN I wouldn’t give the dems the delay now…let them suffer the consequences…. they wanted this.. they own it

cmsinaz on November 8, 2013 at 6:59 AM

I mostly agree but the GOP can’t be positioned as refusing to provide relief to the folks who lost their insurance and are unable to sign up for Obamacare. If a deal has to be struck, make them pay dearly. Putting conditions on delay is probably enough to scuttle any sort of deal anyway.

Because, you know, Obamacare is perfect the way it is and once we get past the difficulties of the website everybody will see that. /

Happy Nomad on November 8, 2013 at 7:07 AM

HN I wouldn’t give the dems the delay now…let them suffer the consequences…. they wanted this.. they own it

cmsinaz on November 8, 2013 at 6:59 AM

They could have negotiated for that in OCT.

During the ‘shutdown’.

They didn’t.

That offer is now off the table.

Give them what they claim they wanted in the way they wanted it, and hear the squeals about how unfair it is from them that they got what they wanted.

ajacksonian on November 8, 2013 at 7:09 AM

HN. Heh

cmsinaz on November 8, 2013 at 7:10 AM

Fred Upton currently on local radio. He says his “Keep your healthcare plan” bill was introduced already has 100 signatures and will have close to 300 by the time the House votes on it next week.

Happy Nomad on November 8, 2013 at 7:15 AM

Yepper aj

cmsinaz on November 8, 2013 at 7:17 AM

That offer is now off the table.

Give them what they claim they wanted in the way they wanted it, and hear the squeals about how unfair it is from them that they got what they wanted.

ajacksonian on November 8, 2013 at 7:09 AM

I think they should strike a new deal. Delay of the individual mandate for ALL union exemptions off the table.

Happy Nomad on November 8, 2013 at 7:18 AM

THE GOP SHOULD SAY “NO” UNLESS THEY GET SOMETHING OUT OF THE DEAL. Maybe debt reduction. Maybe something else. But you never let a crisis go to waste and Dems like Mary Landrieu know they stayed on the Obamacare bandwagon far too long and will end up paying for it next year. Make it cost them.

Happy Nomad on November 8, 2013 at 6:56 AM

surrender monkeys mccain and graham will be around to save their bacon.

renalin on November 8, 2013 at 7:21 AM

surrender monkeys mccain and graham will be around to save their bacon.

renalin on November 8, 2013 at 7:21 AM

Here’s hoping that somebody primaries Graham’s sorry arse and that McCain retires at the end of his current term.

That being said, the GOP can’t be seen as obstructing relief from Obamacare. There needs to be some gesture if the Dems try to strike a deal. All I’m saying is that the GOP shouldn’t make it inexpensive for the Dems.

Happy Nomad on November 8, 2013 at 7:28 AM

Happy Nomad on November 8, 2013 at 7:28 AM

it’s been 5 years and they still haven’t struck a winning deal with the democrats. why should now be any different?

i have no confidence in the gope whatsoever.

renalin on November 8, 2013 at 7:34 AM

it’s been 5 years and they still haven’t struck a winning deal with the democrats. why should now be any different?

i have no confidence in the gope whatsoever.

renalin on November 8, 2013 at 7:34 AM

Please do not raise my blood pressure so early in the day. The whole “surrender now so as to live and fight another day” mentality of the establishment surrender weasels has begun to really tick me off. Because there is never a hill that isn’t too high or a fight worth fighting for these Christie loving bastards.

Happy Nomad on November 8, 2013 at 7:38 AM

another grand B.S. lie perpetrated by the progressive left and the progressive right is that there are only 2 choices to be made concerning obamacare. these lies have been pushed by ed schultz and bill bennett, that is, that people will either buy into communism/dhimmitude, or they will pay the jizyah as 2nd class people. the fact is, our great country is special because of who we are, the worlds best and brightest have come here for decades because of what freedom means. the 3rd choice is of course indifference, most people will just ignore the stupid law, and it’ll either collapse, or the gov’t will attempt to force the people into the ovens. can anyone guess the outcome?

tm11999 on November 8, 2013 at 7:41 AM

- Ronald Reagan
My take: Obama: “I’m Sorry.” America: “We Know.”

kingsjester on November 8, 2013 at 6:38 AM

…it was classic yesterday…when he slipped without the teleprompter…and started to say…more than less…that a “website did him in”…before he quickly corrected himself!

KOOLAID2 on November 8, 2013 at 7:48 AM

…it was classic yesterday…when he slipped without the teleprompter…and started to say…more than less…that a “website did him in”…before he quickly corrected himself!

KOOLAID2 on November 8, 2013 at 7:48 AM

The scary thing is that the lazy stupid shiftless coward really believes that it is all the fault of the website.

Happy Nomad on November 8, 2013 at 7:53 AM

Nicole Wallace was impressed with his apology, natch

cmsinaz on November 8, 2013 at 7:05 AM

I saw that, too. She must be holding on to that MSNBC gig for dear life. I think only Ari Fleischer–maybe Scarborough–dumped on it. And , of course, the conversation turned immediately to Bush.

BuckeyeSam on November 8, 2013 at 7:58 AM

I think they should strike a new deal. Delay of the individual mandate for ALL union exemptions off the table.

Happy Nomad on November 8, 2013 at 7:18 AM

Union, federal government all branches and all levels of it.

All prior exemptions withdrawn.

No one is exempt.

No special treatment for anyone up and down the line.

No picking and choosing of winners and losers.

All in or live with what the Democrats fought so hard for, crowed about and now see was a bad idea on their part.

Ted Cruz was trying to give them a way out. The cost of that way out must now be much, much, much steeper. If Democrats won’t take an all-in policy then they do not mean what they say about ‘all Americans’. Let theirs be the choice of how much the pain must be spread or concentrated. And a delay on the individual mandate just rolls it into the employer mandate… and that is a snowball they are not prepared to deal with.

All-in now makes that snowball much, much worse, yes, but I do not trust the Republicans on this. They are given a chance to not screw it up by doing nothing… they have demonstrated a remarkable capability to screw up things by actually doing them.

ajacksonian on November 8, 2013 at 7:59 AM

The scary thing is that the lazy stupid shiftless coward really believes that it is all the fault of the website.

Happy Nomad on November 8, 2013 at 7:53 AM

Even more, the dang website done done him wrong. If he and I end up in hell, I hope his hellfire is about 25 degrees hotter than mine.

BuckeyeSam on November 8, 2013 at 8:00 AM

ajacksonian on November 8, 2013 at 7:59 AM

Even if the crappy GOP can’t get anything done substantively, I think it’s high time that the GOP put together a website recounting all the bad things about this law. Indeed, Boehner and McConnell should have hired Betsy McCoughey (sp?) to work with some staffers to identify all the startling ins and out of the law. And every oddball provision should be traced to the specific interest group that’s getting favored or harmed.

BuckeyeSam on November 8, 2013 at 8:05 AM

Early morning for me:-) Just wanted to remind everyone that Ted Cruz will be on Leno tonight.

Also, thinking about Hobby Lobby. Maybe we can give them some business this Holiday Season.

On the issue of destroying the entire Food Industry over transfat on behalf of 20,000 people!! Grrr! But destroying our Health Care System that affects millions is ok.

His “apology” was meaningless and an insult. It was only done because it was getting too hot in that kitchen that he and the Dems built.

Will read about what the GOPe plans on doing. They have to be mostly all of one mind. Someone said the other night, the RINO/DEM coalition. Can’t remember who it was, but I agree !!

Have a good day everyone!!

bluefox on November 8, 2013 at 8:20 AM

Where is the line between typical political machinations and outright crime?

I think that that line has been crossed.
This president and his administration are not just causing harm to the nation (which can become a vague notion depending on one’s political perspective) but are actually causing grave harm to millions of individuals.

justltl on November 8, 2013 at 8:45 AM

justltl on November 8, 2013 at 8:45 AM

We know this. The problem is we have no representation in Congress to do anything about it.

The very few House & Senate members that try to make any corrections are lambasted.

We truly have a RINO/DEM coalition in Congress. Just as the Media and the Dems protect Obama to our detriment, so do these RINO/DEM coalitions protect the leaders in the R House & Senate.

A good example is this Obamacare grandfather clause that was restricted to give the Health Care Companies no choice but to cancel policies. This was done in June of 2010. In Sept. 2010, Senator Mike Enzi proposed a resolution to remove it. All Dems voted to kill it, R’s voted to proceed. However, they BOTH knew of it and kept their mouths shut. So they are both guilty in allowing this info to not be made public.

The only solution I see is to defeat every Senator, both Dem & R that are up for re-election in 2014.

bluefox on November 8, 2013 at 9:33 AM

My take: Obama: “I’m Sorry.” America: “We Know.”

kingsjester on November 8, 2013 at 6:38 AM

Amazing and original insight.

DarkCurrent on November 8, 2013 at 3:09 PM

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