Let the demonization of Chris Christie begin

posted at 12:01 pm on November 7, 2013 by Bruce McQuain

Whether or not you’re a Chris Christie fan, his impressive win in deep blue New Jersey this week has set off alarm bells for Democrats and they’re getting ready to do their usual thing.  If they see a potential political rival from GOP, they begin an immediate campaign to destroy his or her political credibility.   Squarely in the Democrat cross-hairs then is Gov. Chris Christie, who has made no secret about his aspirations for national office.

Top Democratic officials launched a concerted offensive Wednesday to define New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie in a negative light, believing that he has emerged from his reelection landslide as the Republican Party’s strongest potential presidential contender for 2016.

Some Democratic strategists said the party made a mistake by not spending more money to attack Christie during the gubernatorial campaign, which might have suppressed his margin of victory and denied the Republican a sweeping mandate in a blue state. In the months to come, Democrats say, they plan to chip away at Christie’s moderate image and present him nationally as a hard-edged conservative

Christie is hardly what one would describe as a “hard-edged conservative”.  In fact, he’s a pretty run-of-the-mill North-East Republican.  But in order to demonize him, the Democrats must convince the public that Christie tends to be what the Democrats have taught them to hate:

“His policy set in New Jersey is ‘Bush-Romney,’ ” Murphy said. “By comparison to the tea party, he seems moderate, but he’s not. And Democrats would do well to expose that reality.”

The Washington Post isn’t sure that strategy is all that smart for Democrats:

But that strategy would also be risky for Democrats, since casting Christie as a die-hard conservative could help him survive the Republican primaries.

Certainly possible. Democrats are convinced that most of Christie’s appeal is in what one of them likens to a “vaudeville routine”:

“What’s worked for [Christie] has been to make sure that nobody talks about the issues, that people just get consumed with his personality-driven late-show entertainment,” O’Comartun said. “People will see past the bluster and the vaudeville routine that is the Chris Christie show. They’ll focus in on the issues.”

Pretty funny coming from a crew that somehow sold an empty suit twice.   Not enough seemed to see through the act and focus on the issues then.  Of course, the issues might be a double-edged sword in the 2016 election, especially in the aftermath of Hurricane ObamaCare.  Regardless, the personal and political destruction of Chris Christie is now high on the Democrat agenda.

~McQ


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Because the TruCons are afraid of him. He could win, and in doing so, would prove that moderates appeal to most of the country, voters that conservatives don’t have a chance in hell of bringing over to their side.

Meredith on November 7, 2013 at 3:11 PM

Right. Just like moderates McCain, Romney, Dole, etc have won landslide victories. Moderate Republicans ALWAYS win. *sarc*

Show me enough real world examples in recent history of moderate GOP candidates winning (and GHW Bush doesn’t count, he only won off of Reagan’s coattails evident by his loss in being re-elected after proving he was a moderate)and I might believe you. But you can’t.

miConsevative on November 7, 2013 at 3:19 PM

Meredith on November 7, 2013 at 3:11 PM

I would take your argument a lot more seriously had we not just had our collective @$$es handed to us with two moderates.

Sorry, not interested in another moderate who was all buddy-buddy with Obama while New Jersey was hit with Sandy; while simultaneously undermining Romney a few before the election.

No thanks. I’ve met my quota for votes for the establishment.

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on November 7, 2013 at 3:19 PM

I could couldn’t care less how pure the Republicans are. I want America back.

petunia

So you don’t care how communist they are, you just want them to save you from communism.

DUMB.AS.A.STUMP.

xblade on November 7, 2013 at 3:21 PM

Right. Just like moderates McCain, Romney, Dole, etc have won landslide victories. Moderate Republicans ALWAYS win. *sarc*

Show me enough real world examples in recent history of moderate GOP candidates winning (and GHW Bush doesn’t count, he only won off of Reagan’s coattails evident by his loss in being re-elected after proving he was a moderate)and I might believe you. But you can’t.

miConsevative on November 7, 2013 at 3:19 PM

Mccain and Dole were terribly boring old men running against young interesting ones, Romney is just a terrible politician. Clinton and Obama are good politicians that beat terrible ones. Just like when GWB beat Kerry, candidate quality matters and for some reason the right is resistant to that fact

snoopicus on November 7, 2013 at 3:26 PM

Because the TruCons are afraid of him. He could win, and in doing so, would prove that moderates appeal to most of the country, voters that conservatives don’t have a chance in hell of bringing over to their side.

Meredith on November 7, 2013 at 3:11 PM

My goodness, deja vu – folks from your perspective were saying exactly the same things about McCain and Romney – and *that* worked out *so* well!

Christie won against a nobody opponent, with friendly media, and an absence of the usual grievance-mongering special interest groups (note that Cuccinelli barely lost with all of that against him).

Come 2016, none of that will be the case for Christie; he will have a high profile, very popular opponent; he will have the media uniformly working to destroy him; he will have NOW/Planned Parenthood/NAACP/etc all out in force painting him to be the GOP General in the War against Women and Minorities, etc.

And the GOP will have spent another 2 years at war with a significant portion of their own base, and Christie holds a number of views that are anathema to conservatives, and should be to the GOP in general) – amnesty, chief among them.

I believe he will be the GOP candidate, because the GOP can’t help themselves and have learned nothing from 2008/10/12 elections – but if you think Christie will win the general in 2016, you’re beyond delusional, sorry.

Midas on November 7, 2013 at 3:29 PM

Bob McDonnell won VA in a landslide four short years ago. Look, Cuccinelli was a bad candidate who ran a bad campaign and who couldn’t raise the money or the support to win.

Punchenko

Know who else won in a landslide 4 short years ago? Ken Cuccinelli. It’s amazing what a guy can do when he doesn’t have to fight against the other party and his own party at the same time, isn’t it?

Cuccinelli wasn’t a bad candidate. The GOP abandoned him because they were afraid he WOULD win, and everyone knows it, no matter how much guys like you try to spin it.

xblade on November 7, 2013 at 3:31 PM

Mccain and Dole were terribly boring old men running against young interesting ones, Romney is just a terrible politician. Clinton and Obama are good politicians that beat terrible ones. Just like when GWB beat Kerry, candidate quality matters and for some reason the right is resistant to that fact

snoopicus on November 7, 2013 at 3:26 PM

Wow. You’re blind man. That’s all I can say…really, really blind.

Just curious, which candidate did you support in each of those elections? Exciting youngsters like Huckabee or Ron Paul? Party guy Santorum? Entertain us with your choices that fit your seemingly arbitrary scale of ‘wild and crazy guys’…

miConsevative on November 7, 2013 at 3:32 PM

My goodness, deja vu – folks from your perspective were saying exactly the same things about McCain and Romney – and *that* worked out *so* well!

Mccain couldn’t win because GWB was hovering at 30% before the market tanked in october, no republican was going to win that race at that point. Romney is our Dukakis, just a terrible politician. We haven’t had a decent candidate is W, thats why we keep losing

snoopicus on November 7, 2013 at 3:32 PM

Let’s also remember that Christie was a) against states joining to fight Obamacare, and b) one of the first to adopt it for his state.

Sorry if I’m turned off by his positions on amnesty, gun control, and Obamacare; if that constitutes a ‘purity test’, well – you can just stop regurgitating Democrat talking points any time you like, okay?

Midas on November 7, 2013 at 3:33 PM

Christie won against a nobody opponent, with friendly media, and an absence of the usual grievance-mongering special interest groups

Midas

And despite all those advantages, he still gets his ass kicked by Hillary according to exit polls taken during this lopsided race, lol.

xblade on November 7, 2013 at 3:35 PM

Mccain couldn’t win because GWB was hovering at 30% before the market tanked in october, no republican was going to win that race at that point. Romney is our Dukakis, just a terrible politician. We haven’t had a decent candidate is W, thats why we keep losing

snoopicus on November 7, 2013 at 3:32 PM

I would debate that W was not a good candidate. He was just slightly better than Gore and Kerry. However, that does not make him “good”.

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on November 7, 2013 at 3:35 PM

We haven’t had a decent candidate is W, thats why we keep losing

snoopicus on November 7, 2013 at 3:32 PM

… and the same group that picked those two recent worthless candidates is queuing up behind Christie, with the same kind of ‘electable’ language.

If nothing else, if those guys agree with you about someone being a ‘decent candidate’, you should probably reconsider.

Midas on November 7, 2013 at 3:36 PM

Christie won against a nobody opponent, with friendly media, and an absence of the usual grievance-mongering special interest groups

Midas

And despite all those advantages, he still gets his ass kicked by Hillary according to exit polls taken during this lopsided race, lol.

xblade on November 7, 2013 at 3:35 PM

Exactly – and how much worse will that a$$kicking be when the media et al engages against him?

Good grief, Christiephiles – wake up, please.

Midas on November 7, 2013 at 3:37 PM

Wow. You’re blind man. That’s all I can say…really, really blind.

Just curious, which candidate did you support in each of those elections? Exciting youngsters like Huckabee or Ron Paul? Party guy Santorum? Entertain us with your choices that fit your seemingly arbitrary scale of ‘wild and crazy guys’…

miConsevative on November 7, 2013 at 3:32 PM

So are you arguing that Bob Dole was a thrilling young candidate that captured the low information voters imagination?

snoopicus on November 7, 2013 at 3:39 PM

The election is ancient history, Zaphod. If memory serves, you won, proving that good looks and charm win over brilliance and the ability to govern. And for the record? You *are* stupid. – Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on November 7, 2013 at 3:40 PM

I would debate that W was not a good candidate. He was just slightly better than Gore and Kerry. However, that does not make him “good”.

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on November 7, 2013 at 3:35 PM

Thats my point tho, W was clearly a better candidate than his opponents and won, ditto for Obama, ditto for Clinton. Good politicians beat bad ones, that doesnt mean they are good presidents, but they were better campaigners than their opponents. when i say good i mean in a relative sense

snoopicus on November 7, 2013 at 3:41 PM

Wow. You’re blind man. That’s all I can say…really, really blind.

Just curious, which candidate did you support in each of those elections? Exciting youngsters like Huckabee or Ron Paul? Party guy Santorum? Entertain us with your choices that fit your seemingly arbitrary scale of ‘wild and crazy guys’…

miConsevative on November 7, 2013 at 3:32 PM

All of our candidates sucked in the last 2 cycles, the squishy ones, the hard core cons, all of them

snoopicus on November 7, 2013 at 3:43 PM

All of our candidates sucked in the last 2 cycles, the squishy ones, the hard core cons, all of them

snoopicus on November 7, 2013 at 3:43 PM

Exactly… so why do we want to settle for a candidate that is a cookie cutter of the last two now?

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on November 7, 2013 at 3:47 PM

There is a tiny segment of the Republican base that defines “conservative” as “someone who always agrees with all of my personal beliefs and never waivers, hesitates, or compromises.”
Adjoran on November 7, 2013 at 3:10 PM

Yes, because liberals are sooooooo open-minded, right?! And they never rail against anyone who even hints at not following lockstep with their leftwing agenda?!
What planet are you on?
Yes, there are some core values that conservatives hold: Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. Other than those, if you want to live your life and pursue happiness however you see fit, as long as you are not forcing others to pay for and glorify your “happiness”, most conservatives couldn’t care less how you decide to reach your dream. That’s liberty.

Sterling Holobyte on November 7, 2013 at 3:48 PM

The Dems should do nothing. The Right will dig up and publish every bit of dirt on Christie there is. The Dems can see Christie destroyed and not even have to defend being guilty of negative attacks. Or the Right can stay silent and let the Dems do the work of taking Christie down.

xkaydet65 on November 7, 2013 at 3:49 PM

Exactly… so why do we want to settle for a candidate that is a cookie cutter of the last two now?

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on November 7, 2013 at 3:47 PM

Christie is good politician not a bad one, thats why

snoopicus on November 7, 2013 at 3:49 PM

Christie is good politician not a bad one, thats why

snoopicus on November 7, 2013 at 3:49 PM

If he’s so great, why does the right hate him so much?

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on November 7, 2013 at 3:51 PM

If he’s so great, why does the right hate him so much?

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on November 7, 2013 at 3:51 PM

hes a good politician, but not right wing enough for the hard core cons, thats all

snoopicus on November 7, 2013 at 3:54 PM

Hey, I have a question for Petunia. If skepticism about Romney = equals a vote for Obama, then where’s the outrage towards Christie about his back stabbing of Romney?

aryeung

Don’t fall for her schtick. She’s a moby and she voted for Obama. Same with Meredith.

xblade on November 7, 2013 at 3:58 PM

hes a good politician, but not right wing enough for the hard core cons, thats all

snoopicus on November 7, 2013 at 3:54 PM

Funny, if he was a good enough politician… aka LIAR, then wouldn’t everyone love him?

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on November 7, 2013 at 4:00 PM

Don’t fall for her schtick. She’s a moby and she voted for Obama. Same with Meredith.

xblade on November 7, 2013 at 3:58 PM

Yeah, clicked on xblade, took me to a wacko website talking about carrington event. Dude your a loon

snoopicus on November 7, 2013 at 4:02 PM

Funny, if he was a good enough politician… aka LIAR, then wouldn’t everyone love him?

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on November 7, 2013 at 4:00 PM

No, thats not how it works, people like you on hot air want hard core red meat all the time. Thats how republicans lie to you, the big middle ie. low information set, wants a charismatic person they could drink a beer with. Its stupid, but thats how elections work

snoopicus on November 7, 2013 at 4:05 PM

Yeah, Petunia’s a communist. There is lots of epic dumb on this thread, but it isn’t coming from Petunia.

Meredith on November 7, 2013 at 3:11 PM

Read further back and you’ll see it was Petunia who was calling everyone a communist. If you like dishing it out, learn to like taking it.

By the way, how’s Sarah doing now that she has a new roommate living rent free in your head?

CurtZHP on November 7, 2013 at 4:05 PM

No, thats not how it works, people like you on hot air want hard core red meat all the time. Thats how republicans lie to you, the big middle ie. low information set, wants a charismatic person they could drink a beer with. Its stupid, but thats how elections work

snoopicus on November 7, 2013 at 4:05 PM

Moderates didn’t work for the last two cycles. I see no reason why they will this time. Christie is an Obama suck up who has no chance.

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on November 7, 2013 at 4:07 PM

Moderates didn’t work for the last two cycles. I see no reason why they will this time. Christie is an Obama suck up who has no chance.

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on November 7, 2013 at 4:07 PM

Im trying to make a distinction between charisma and ideology. Do you not get that? The last 2 Romney & Mccain, were not as good as obama at campaigning. GWB was better than Gore or Kerry at campaigning. HW was better than Dukakis, but not as good as clinton at campaigning. Christie is a good campaigner, thats all im trying to say.

snoopicus on November 7, 2013 at 4:09 PM

snoopicus on November 7, 2013 at 4:05 PM

Go ahead and keep rooting for your Mavericky McRomney clone… and we’ll all be crying in our beers when we have President Hillary next November.

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on November 7, 2013 at 4:11 PM

Im trying to make a distinction between charisma and ideology. Do you not get that? The last 2 Romney & Mccain, were not as good as obama at campaigning. GWB was better than Gore or Kerry at campaigning. HW was better than Dukakis, but not as good as clinton at campaigning. Christie is a good campaigner, thats all im trying to say.

snoopicus on November 7, 2013 at 4:09 PM

And exactly what is the difference between Stay-Mavericky-Puft McRomney and Clinton? I mean other than Christie being male.

Both for Amnesty…
Both of Obamacare…
Both for Bigger Government…

So why vote for Stay-Mavericky-puft McRomney?

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on November 7, 2013 at 4:14 PM

Don’t see how the guy plans to get elected. If the behavior of some on this forum is any indication, he’ll eventually start outright insulting the conservative base of the party (if he hasn’t already). We’ll see how far that gets him.

CurtZHP on November 7, 2013 at 4:16 PM

I am going to suggest Chris Christie finish his term, he can’t run again, so he should move into NYC and run there as a service to the PLANET.

Fleuries on November 7, 2013 at 4:17 PM

There will be better conservative candidates to choose from this time around.

I am disgusted to see people like Petunia act like those who rightly refuse to accept a progressive, pro-amnesty Dem-lite candidate are to be yelled at and berated.

YOu know. I don’t even care about amnesty anymore as much as I care that the Tea Party can’t do anything for me.
petunia on October 19, 2013 at 4:39 PM

Says it all right there.

Mass illegal alien amnesty would be suicide not only for conservatives but also for the country.

Any “so-called” conservative who pushes a pro-amnesty candidate, when we potentially have much better conservative choices, is a fraud and a traitor and is essentially declaring that they hate conservatives and want I see a Democrat elected president in 2016.

The NJ exit polls showed that voters in Christie’s own state prefer Hillary to him for president.

bluegill on November 7, 2013 at 4:18 PM

I am going to suggest Chris Christie finish his term, he can’t run again, so he should move into NYC and run there as a service to the PLANET.

Fleuries on November 7, 2013 at 4:17 PM

That I can agree with.

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on November 7, 2013 at 4:18 PM

Go ahead and keep rooting for your Mavericky McRomney clone… and we’ll all be crying in our beers when we have President Hillary next November.

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on November 7, 2013 at 4:11 PM

Im not rooting for him, im just saying hes one of the few republicans nationally with name recognition and charisma. I hope we have more, and better choices in the primaries, but so far I dont see anyone i think could win a national election on our side. The point of my arguement isn’t to pump up christie but argue with the popular belief here that we lost 08 & 12 because our candidates were squishy on ideology instead of the fact that they were terrible campaigners.

snoopicus on November 7, 2013 at 4:18 PM

The point of my arguement isn’t to pump up christie but argue with the popular belief here that we lost 08 & 12 because our candidates were squishy on ideology instead of the fact that they were terrible campaigners.

snoopicus on November 7, 2013 at 4:18 PM

Not mutually exclusive… they were both horrid campaigners and squishy… both of which were not helpful.

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on November 7, 2013 at 4:20 PM

Chris Christie: Conservative Republican?

Only if you also find liberal New York Democrat Andrew Cuomo a strong Conservative.

From his own mouth:
“I’m not much different from Andrew Cuomo. I probably agree with him on 98% of the issues.” – Chris Christie, Feb 2013

RJL on November 7, 2013 at 4:22 PM

Why should the GOP have put resources into the VA race when for almost the entire campaign Cuccinelli was losing by double digits?

Meredith on November 7, 2013 at 3:11 PM

Well, lets see. There are 50 states. Va is one of them. Va. needed a Governor. That Governor could have been an R. The problem with the party of R as I see it is they are weak, meek and frankly cowardly. Unless it comes to the Conservative faction of the party. Then they are quite willing to smear. This will change by fire if necessary. Meredith, have you ever built anything? You would be wise to not build on a termite ridden foundation. The party of R is filled with progressive vermin. About as useful to build on as a termite infested foundation. Do you understand?

Bmore on November 7, 2013 at 4:24 PM

Not mutually exclusive… they were both horrid campaigners and squishy… both of which were not helpful.

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on November 7, 2013 at 4:20 PM

Right just like a fire breathing conservative with no charisma is worthless. If you run a squish, people better like them, people didn’t like Mccain, Kerry, Dukakis, Gore, Romney. And if you run a true con, they better have charisma or they end up like Angle, Odonell, Bachman etc. I just think that in a national election the charisma/campaigner aspect is more important than ideology in determining the winner

snoopicus on November 7, 2013 at 4:25 PM

I just think that in a national election the charisma/campaigner aspect is more important than ideology in determining the winner

snoopicus on November 7, 2013 at 4:25 PM

I couldn’t care less about having a beer with them. I don’t vote for someone based on if I want to sit down and have a meal with them. I vote for them based on ideology.

As you can imagine, I dislike pretty much everyone so far, with the exception of Ted Cruz.

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on November 7, 2013 at 4:28 PM

So are you arguing that Bob Dole was a thrilling young candidate that captured the low information voters imagination?

snoopicus on November 7, 2013 at 3

Not at all. All that I’m asking is for you to show me over the past 50 yrs which moderate republicans have won the presidency. I can give you several conservatives/right leaning candidates who have. Yet as elections come along, you try to convince me that we need someone “in the middle” to win – regardless of their charisma or whatever (which you will only bring into the discussion once they’ve lost, which sucks for the rest of us, btw, cause for u it’s some sort of silver bullet). You argue for their policy stances before the election, than use their personality traits only after they’ve lost.

I’m guessing you voted for McCain, Dole and GHW Bush in primaries but are unwilling to admit it because you won’t tell me otherwise.

miConsevative on November 7, 2013 at 4:29 PM

The fact that Christie is open to amnesty alone should disqualify from consideration.

What is this madness??

bluegill on November 7, 2013 at 4:35 PM

Mass illegal alien amnesty would be suicide not only for conservatives but also for the country.

Any “so-called” conservative who pushes a pro-amnesty candidate, when we potentially have much better conservative choices, is a fraud and a traitor and is essentially declaring that they hate conservatives and want I see a Democrat elected president in 2016.

The NJ exit polls showed that voters in Christie’s own state prefer Hillary to him for president.

bluegill on November 7, 2013 at 4:18 PM

Some kind of immigration bill is going to pass well before the 2016 election. And that will happen even if the Republicans get control of the senate in 2014. There will be plenty of conservatives voting for it too. It’s not even going to be an issue in 2016.

rockmom on November 7, 2013 at 4:36 PM

The fact that Christie is open to amnesty alone should disqualify from consideration.

What is this madness??

bluegill on November 7, 2013 at 4:35 PM

So who is your candidate that unequivocally opposes amnesty? I don’t think Michelle Malkin is running.

rockmom on November 7, 2013 at 4:37 PM

The point of my arguement isn’t to pump up christie but argue with the popular belief here that we lost 08 & 12 because our candidates were squishy on ideology instead of the fact that they were terrible campaigners.

snoopicus on November 7, 2013 at 4:18 PM

Not just 08 & 12 – but I would say over the last 50 yrs, if not more. You can say GHW Bush, but I would argue that the only reason for his first election but losing his re-election would be riding the coattails of Reagan for his first and losing the re-election on his moderate GOP record – if u can prove otherwise, go for it. I’m open ears. Prove me wrong.

Look over the last 50 yrs and tell me which moderate Republicans have won on their own – I can give your plenty of moderate Republicans who’ve lost. Call it their “charisma” or personality or whatever, but if you can’t show me moderates that have won on their own, then tell me why I should believe you when you say they will win?

miConsevative on November 7, 2013 at 4:38 PM

Some kind of immigration bill is going to pass well before the 2016 election. And that will happen even if the Republicans get control of the senate in 2014. There will be plenty of conservatives voting for it too. It’s not even going to be an issue in 2016.
rockmom on November 7, 2013 at 4:36 PM

But what will be in the bill?

Don’t you dare tell me mass illegal alien amnesty is inevitable. It is not.

bluegill on November 7, 2013 at 4:39 PM

No “pathway to citizenship” for illegal immigrants. That is amnesty.

bluegill on November 7, 2013 at 4:40 PM

Christ Christie is a Democrat. Not a RINO or a moderate Republican. He’s a full blown Democrat that makes Obama blush. He just decided to run with a R besides his name.

MrX on November 7, 2013 at 4:41 PM

Christ Christie is a Democrat. Not a RINO or a moderate Republican. He’s a full blown Democrat that makes Obama blush. He just decided to run with a R besides his name.

MrX on November 7, 2013 at 4:41 PM

What? How dare you talk about the newly crowned King Krispy Kreme McDole that way!!!!!!

whatcat on November 7, 2013 at 4:52 PM

Christ Christie is a Democrat. Not a RINO or a moderate Republican. He’s a full blown Democrat that makes Obama blush. He just decided to run with a R besides his name.

MrX on November 7, 2013 at 4:41 PM

99% of your argument is correct. However Christie is pro-life, something that is a non-qualifier if you want to run as dem.

veni vidi vici on November 7, 2013 at 5:01 PM

So are you arguing that Bob Dole was a thrilling young candidate that captured the low information voters imagination?

snoopicus on November 7, 2013 at 3

Feeble straw man argument – best ya got?

Midas on November 7, 2013 at 5:05 PM

Let’s see- the Rinos gave us McCain and Romney, and now, they want to give us Christie. In addition, they want to purge the party of conservatives, and I mean conservatives with principles. Sounds like if we stand against Christie, it will be called demonization not the truth.

mobydutch on November 7, 2013 at 5:17 PM

Not at all. All that I’m asking is for you to show me over the past 50 yrs which moderate republicans have won the presidency. I can give you several conservatives/right leaning candidates who have. Yet as elections come along, you try to convince me that we need someone “in the middle” to win – regardless of their charisma or whatever (which you will only bring into the discussion once they’ve lost, which sucks for the rest of us, btw, cause for u it’s some sort of silver bullet). You argue for their policy stances before the election, than use their personality traits only after they’ve lost.

I’m guessing you voted for McCain, Dole and GHW Bush in primaries but are unwilling to admit it because you won’t tell me otherwise.

miConsevative on November 7, 2013 at 4:29 PM

Eisenhower, nixon, HW, GWB so all except reagen

snoopicus on November 7, 2013 at 5:18 PM

Not at all. All that I’m asking is for you to show me over the past 50 yrs which moderate republicans have won the presidency. I can give you several conservatives/right leaning candidates who have. Yet as elections come along, you try to convince me that we need someone “in the middle” to win – regardless of their charisma or whatever (which you will only bring into the discussion once they’ve lost, which sucks for the rest of us, btw, cause for u it’s some sort of silver bullet). You argue for their policy stances before the election, than use their personality traits only after they’ve lost.

I’m guessing you voted for McCain, Dole and GHW Bush in primaries but are unwilling to admit it because you won’t tell me otherwise.

miConsevative on November 7, 2013 at 4:29 PM

Name one conservative besides Ronnie, seriously. Who on earth are you talking about? All the republican presidents have actually been pretty moderate, even ronnie was. YOu dont become the gov of Kalifornia otherwise

snoopicus on November 7, 2013 at 5:23 PM

and ronnie had, guess what, CHARISMA in freaking spades

snoopicus on November 7, 2013 at 5:24 PM

Reagan was not as Conservative as Romney is.

petunia on November 7, 2013 at 12:48 PM

Only idiots, liars, and the delusional believe such nonsense.

Reagan was relentlessly demonized and ridiculed as an evil mean-spirited hyper-conservative. The media only started grudgingly giving him credit for his warm demeanor when the American people stopped listening to them trying to attack him. Then they created the myth that “people just seemed to like him” to excuse why the public believed Reagan instead of them.

Reagan would never have instituted Romneycare, or surrendered on same-sex marriage, or reversed himself on abortion.

What probably cost Romney more than anything else was his willingness to reverse himself on every issue if he thought taking the opposite position would help him. He never met a principle he couldn’t abandon.

People don’t vote for someone like that. Which is probably why Romney only won a single election in his life, and knew better than to try to run for re-election.

If Romney were president, we would still have Obamacare. It would just be much better managed.

There Goes the Neighborhood on November 7, 2013 at 5:26 PM

Eisenhower, nixon, HW, GWB so all except reagen

snoopicus on November 7, 2013 at 5:18 PM

Just as a note, but Eisenhower was elected in the 1950′s (’52 & ’56), so that puts him well out of the 50 year range (which would go back to 1963). Also, he specifically excepted George H. W. Bush because he rode Reagen’s coattails into the White House (and then lost his re-election because he wasn’t conservative enough and had an actual (fiscal) conservative running to his right – Perot).

Theophile on November 7, 2013 at 5:30 PM

snoopicus on November 7, 2013 at 5:18 PM

Still waiting on who your last few primary votes went to. I’ll tell you, mine were for conservatives who didn’t win the presidency, but then again, something tells me they didn’t have a chance to try since they lost the nomination because of people like you…

miConsevative on November 7, 2013 at 5:32 PM

Still waiting on who your last few primary votes went to. I’ll tell you, mine were for conservatives who didn’t win the presidency, but then again, something tells me they didn’t have a chance to try since they lost the nomination because of people like you…

miConsevative on November 7, 2013 at 5:32 PM

GWB04 and Rick Perry12 so i gave you your answer

Not at all. All that I’m asking is for you to show me over the past 50 yrs which moderate republicans have won the presidency. I can give you several conservatives/right leaning candidates who have. Yet as elections come along, you try to convince me that we need someone “in the middle” to win – regardless of their charisma or whatever (which you will only bring into the discussion once they’ve lost, which sucks for the rest of us, btw, cause for u it’s some sort of silver bullet). You argue for their policy stances before the election, than use their personality traits only after they’ve lost.

I’m guessing you voted for McCain, Dole and GHW Bush in primaries but are unwilling to admit it because you won’t tell me otherwise.

miConsevative on November 7, 2013 at 4:29 PM

Who are the several true conservative presidents?

snoopicus on November 7, 2013 at 5:35 PM

Romney and his people did quite a number on Sarah Palin too, remember? They are vindictive a-holes. But now everyone takes their garbage as gospel because they don’t like Chris Christie.

rockmom on November 7, 2013 at 1:00 PM

I remember Romney praising Palin on the roof tops… and Palin working to destroy Romney because of something someone else did.

Palin had a vendetta, because of some staffer. Remember how she shadowed him and bad mouthed him. She gave us Obama.

Palin conned millions of dollars out of people and then didn’t run. That’s what I remember.

petunia on November 7, 2013 at 1:08 PM

Time to get off the drugs.

There Goes the Neighborhood on November 7, 2013 at 5:36 PM

didnt vote in 08 primary bc i was out of the country

snoopicus on November 7, 2013 at 5:36 PM

Who are the several true conservative presidents?

snoopicus on November 7, 2013 at 5:35 PM

Awesome. Thanks for misrepresenting my post after you actually bolded it – I said conservative/right leaning conservatives. You somehow in your answer claim I said “true conservatives” – typical of people like you to set up straw men. Sorry, I’m not going back before Carter because I couldn’t vote before then – since then, I’d tell you Reagan and GW Bush (who fits the ‘leans right’ category). GHW Bush won only because of Reagan and his conservatism and lost his re-election because of his ‘moderate’ treatment of republicanism. GW Bush was leaning right (though not as far as I’d like). None of your ‘moderates’ have won on their own in my adult life period. And that’s a long time – go ahead a try to prove otherwise…not by feeling, but by proof. Republican moderates don’t win on their own period. Not in any recent time, at least.

miConsevative on November 7, 2013 at 5:48 PM

Let the demonization of Chris Christie begin

Okay. He’s a RINO. He’ll never get my vote in a national election.

zoyclem on November 7, 2013 at 5:48 PM

Look, Cuccinelli was a bad candidate who ran a bad campaign and who couldn’t raise the money or the support to win.

Punchenko on November 7, 2013 at 2:19 P

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He was not a bad candidate – AND he crushed McAuliffe among young voters 18-24 and among independents. Cuccinelli’s loss has more to do with obama running a “libertarian” spoiler, and with the GOP and RGA completely abandoning him, than it does with how he functioned as a candidate.

Pork-Chop on November 7, 2013 at 2:30 PM

Exactly. The “libertarian” had twice as many votes as the margin between McAwful and Cuccinelli. Democrats have no problem with encouraging bad candidates to run against them that will hurt their opponent even more.

And note that Sarvis went after the libertarians. Libertarians threw away their votes for someone who had no chance to win, because they didn’t like Cuccinelli’s actual conservatism. But somehow the blame is put on the far right.

You’ll never see Republicans winning elections until they appeal to the icky social conservatives just as much as they do fiscal conservative/social liberals.

There Goes the Neighborhood on November 7, 2013 at 5:53 PM

Why would Democrats have to do anything against Christie? All of Obama’s anti-Romney ads were just recycled Gingrich ads. The Democrats will simply wait for the true cons to destroy Christie, as he wins the primary because as much as the true cons hate to admit it, *they are the minority within the GOP.* Because when it comes to primary fights conservatves seem willing to attack their own on *progressive terms* i.e. “vulture capitalism” (a concept I recently taught a class on) why on earth would Dems have to lift a finger?

libfreeordie on November 7, 2013 at 6:28 PM

libfreeordie on November 7, 2013 at 6:28 PM

Deviant.

CWchangedhisNicagain on November 7, 2013 at 6:39 PM

hes a good politician, but not right wing enough for the hard core cons, thats all
snoopicus on November 7, 2013 at 3:54 PM

Funny, if he was a good enough politician… aka LIAR, then wouldn’t everyone love him?
E L Frederick (Sniper One) on November 7, 2013 at 4:00 PM

I get suspicious when I see the term “right wing” thrown into a rant. That’s Leftist Speak.

whatcat on November 7, 2013 at 6:56 PM

I get suspicious when I see the term “right wing” thrown into a rant. That’s Leftist Speak.

whatcat on November 7, 2013 at 6:56 PM

To a lot of Meredith and Petunia types I’m running into, anything to the left of Stalin is “right wing extremism.”

JannyMae on November 7, 2013 at 8:16 PM

Excuse me, to the RIGHT of Stalin.

JannyMae on November 7, 2013 at 8:17 PM

I get suspicious when I see the term “right wing” thrown into a rant. That’s Leftist Speak.

whatcat on November 7, 2013 at 6:56 PM

To a lot of Meredith and Petunia types I’m running into, anything to the right left of Stalin is “right wing extremism.”

JannyMae on November 7, 2013 at 8:16 PM

Yeah, they sure wax hyperbolic when they panic.

whatcat on November 7, 2013 at 9:00 PM

petunia on November 7, 2013 at 12:37 PM

Hey lefty petunia,

this one’s for you. Republican Donor Class Gave Us Terry Mcauliffe

njrob on November 7, 2013 at 9:44 PM

Please. We will not survive another 8 years of Democrat rule.

Please don’t do to Christie what you did to Romney. Please.

Winning is more important than purity.

The Democrats are not going to disappear. They have bought enough votes that if you do this to another candidate America is finished.

And it is the far right who destroyed it, every bit as much as the Socialists. Because you can’t tolerate slight differences.

petunia on November 7, 2013 at 12:23 PM

Some of us advocated for Romney after the primaries, so much so that it took a piece of my soul to do so, because of ObamaScare.

I won’t be doing it again for another squish or RINO regardless of who the dems run. Christie and the GOPe can go f themselves.

PALIN/CRUZ 2016 (or whichever order you prefer)

kim roy on November 7, 2013 at 9:53 PM

He has not been perfect, especially on Obamacare, but he has certainly moved New Jersey away from Jon Corzine-style massive spending and corruption.

rockmom on November 7, 2013 at 12:41 PM

Glad he’s been good for NJ. Perhaps he should stay there.

kim roy on November 7, 2013 at 9:54 PM

I love the argument that we always see that Reagan couldn’t get nominated in today’s party. This, just after the last 5 nominees have been: Romney, McCain, GWB, Dole and GHWB. These “reality based” folks seem to have a very tenuous relationship with reality.

besser tot als rot on November 7, 2013 at 12:57 PM

He wouldn’t get nominated because Rove and his ilk wouldn’t let it happen. They don’t like conservatives.

njrob on November 7, 2013 at 10:44 PM

Christie is far more conservative than most RINO’s. The gripes most people have with him are largely over political maneuvers, not actual policy. Ex. Hugging Obama after the Hurricane. So we are mad that he betrayed a true RINO in Romney?

Remember back in 2008? This guy was going to be the Tea Party savior who might jump into the primary. Then he chose not to. Now he is yet another Republican who we as the base have devoured. Why do we continually build people up and then tear them down?

Now yes – I do have my issues with Christie (he’s not great on guns). But why do we rip apart a guy who can win a blue state like New Jersey over to Republicans? Ted Cruz would never get elected there. If we want to win offices in states beyond our base, we need the Chris Christie’s of the world.

He’s not my ideal choice for 2016… but we need to stop killing each other. Reagan’s amendment and the big ten have been ruined.

eski502 on November 7, 2013 at 1:18 PM

You are nuts. He’s pro-abortion (claims to be pro-life, but won’t enact policy supporting it aka Nancy Pelosi), he’s anti-2nd Amendment, he’s pro-radical muslim (NJ Supreme Court), he’s pro-homosexual marriage (claimed he wanted the people to decide the issue till he didn’t), he’s a big gov’t spending lib that happened to go after the unions cause they supported Corzine and tried to blackmail him. Get a grip.

njrob on November 7, 2013 at 10:55 PM

Christie can win and pick up the Reagan Democrats that Romney lost.

Punchenko on November 7, 2013 at 1:51 PM

Reagan democrats are already Republicans. The leftists bred (through indoctrination) and admitted (through illegal and legal immigration) the leftists that currently vote for them. You need to look at demographics more often.

njrob on November 7, 2013 at 11:05 PM

Because we keep nominating hard core conservatives in blueish states and throwing away winnable races. Look truecons like Cruz can get elected in texas, Ted Cruz would lose by a landslide in PA,OH, or even FL. We have to be more thoughtful about who we run, and where we run them

snoopicus on November 7, 2013 at 2:58 PM

And how about you stop pushing establishment RINO’s in Conservative states (Graham, McCain, Murkowski, etc) that rob us of proper representation. You and your ilk refuse to compromise and we’ve decided to follow suit.

njrob on November 7, 2013 at 11:17 PM

Just curious, which candidate did you support in each of those elections? Exciting youngsters like Huckabee or Ron Paul? Party guy Santorum? Entertain us with your choices that fit your seemingly arbitrary scale of ‘wild and crazy guys’…

miConsevative on November 7, 2013 at 3:32 PM

Be serious. Snoopy supported Obama.

njrob on November 7, 2013 at 11:19 PM

Why would Democrats have to do anything against Christie? All of Obama’s anti-Romney ads were just recycled Gingrich ads. The Democrats will simply wait for the true cons to destroy Christie, as he wins the primary because as much as the true cons hate to admit it, *they are the minority within the GOP.* Because when it comes to primary fights conservatves seem willing to attack their own on *progressive terms* i.e. “vulture capitalism” (a concept I recently taught a class on) why on earth would Dems have to lift a finger?

libfreeorgan on November 7, 2013 at 6:28 PM

…like how he can pick out one or a few threads… in weeks…to appear?…he had one 12 hours ago!

KOOLAID2 on November 8, 2013 at 12:06 AM

Let the demonization of Chris Christie begin

I’m not going to demonize him, he is marginally better than a democrat.

Dollayo on November 8, 2013 at 2:02 AM

No, sorry, Obama phones this guy to congratulate him. We’ve had enough of liberals choosing the Republican doofus to run against.

There is plenty of time for a real conservative to lead the charge.

The mid-terms will change the dynamic again and Christie may be a distant memory.

virgo on November 8, 2013 at 2:46 AM

christie is a good example of the difference between a republican and a conservative.

dmacleo on November 8, 2013 at 8:27 AM

Squarely in the Democrat cross-hairs then is Gov. Chris Christie, who has made no secret about his aspirations for national office.

After reading some of the comments in this thread, it’s not just Democrat cross-hairs Gov. Christie finds himself in.

rukiddingme on November 8, 2013 at 6:09 PM

I will not vote for that fat obama seat sniffing rino.

I gave in to McCain because we needed a moderate to win – got his butt handed to him. I gave in to Romney because we needed a moderate to win – got his butt handed to him.

Now we find out that Romney would have kept Obamacare, and that McCain is a straight up liberal.

Enough is enough.

I will vote for Hillary before I vote for that fat Tea Party bashing phony.

conservativeBC on November 8, 2013 at 6:28 PM

Most of what is written here is complete BS and an instruction manual of how to lose elections. While conservatives are arguing over the bona fides of their candidates, why candidate X will never get my vote because of position Y, liberals keep winning election after election. Yeah, keep bashing all the Republican candidates, you bunch of fools. The other side is where the problem is. If you don’t like the current crop of Republican candidates, get off your over-sized rump and get into the ring yourself.

Yeah … I didn’t think that would happen. Armchair quarterbacking is so much easier.

JSGreg3 on November 10, 2013 at 7:12 AM

Most of what is written here is complete BS and an instruction manual of how to lose elections. While conservatives are arguing over the bona fides of their candidates, why candidate X will never get my vote because of position Y, liberals keep winning election after election. Yeah, keep bashing all the Republican candidates, you bunch of fools. The other side is where the problem is. If you don’t like the current crop of Republican candidates, get off your over-sized rump and get into the ring yourself.

Yeah … I didn’t think that would happen. Armchair quarterbacking is so much easier.

JSGreg3 on November 10, 2013 at 7:12 AM

You are a fool and deliberately showing up late to spout your garbage thinking no one would catch it.

The Democrat party is run by the far left. Pelosi, Reid and Obama are Socialists, period. The Republican party is run by the mid-left. Boehner, McConnell, McCain are all big government statists. We just demand that if they want our votes they follow our beliefs. If they don’t want our votes, which is why they are so gung ho about amnesty, they can continue on that path.

What part don’t you get?

njrob on November 10, 2013 at 10:14 AM

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