Marco Rubio: Let’s not read too much into this Chris Christie victory, okay?

posted at 7:21 pm on November 6, 2013 by Allahpundit

Obligatory, just because it’ll be fun to watch commenters try to decide whether to grumble about Christie here or about Rubio. Mirror mirror on the wall, who’s the RINO-iest RINO of them all?

Rubio’s right about this, of course.

“I think we need to understand that some of these races don’t apply to future races. Every race is different–it has a different set of factors–but I congratulate (Christie) on his win,” he told CNN Chief Congressional Correspondent Dana Bash…

“Clearly (Christie) was able to speak to the hopes and aspirations of people within New Jersey. That’s important. We want to win everywhere and Governor Christie has certainly shown he has a way of winning in New Jersey, in states like New Jersey… so I congratulate him on that,” he said.

Rubio’s comments stood in stark contrast to the message Christie tried to convey in his victory speech Tuesday night. The governor argued his win should send a cautionary tale to Washington (and more subtly, to the GOP) that his way is the right way.

I half-joked on Twitter last night that I’d love to see Nate Silver model what the Jersey election results would have looked like if Sandy had never happened. Not only would Christie have lacked the huge reservoir of goodwill he’s had over the past year, his relative vulnerability might have drawn a stronger Democratic challenger. Buono was a sacrificial lamb; she practically admitted as much in her concession speech, saying that she’d taken one “for the team” in challenging Christie while getting zero support from national Democrats. If Sandy had never happened, maybe Cory Booker would have decided to challenge Christie for governor rather than run for Senate. What happens to Christie’s big showstopping numbers among minority voters in that case?

So reluctant was Christie to appear on a ballot with Booker, in fact, that he forced the special election to fill Frank Lautenberg’s Senate seat to be held last month rather than wait a few weeks and add it to last night’s menu. Andy McCarthy with a refresher:

First, while he could have appointed a Republican to finish Lautenberg’s term, which would have given the GOP another vote in the Senate until 2015, Christie opted to hold a quick special election. With Booker chomping at the bit to run, this gave Democrats a high probability of recapturing the seat over a year earlier — and since Christie, of course, knew this, it was sure to burnish his “bipartisan” credentials for 2016.

Second, rather than holding the special Senate election on Election Day, Christie forced the Garden State to hold it separately, less than three weeks before Election Day. Transparently, this was done because Christie believed he needed not just a win (in an election Democrats were not really contesting) but a blow-out win to enhance his image as the Republican 2016 contender whose appeal transcends partisan boundaries. Christie obviously realized that if Booker’s senate race had been on the ballot the same day as his own gubernatorial reelection bid, many more Democrats would be drawn to the polls. A goodly number of them would have voted for Buono – not enough to beat Christie but enough to deny him the kind of landslide victory he was banking on. So New Jersey taxpayers are now on the hook for the extra $24 million it cost to hold the extra election that enabled Christie to avoid a bigger Democratic turn-out.

Christie wanted Booker off his radar and was willing to go the extra mile to make it happen. Which is not to say that he owes all his success to Sandy: Check out his approval ratings before last October and you’ll see that he was consistently a few points above 50 percent in most polls, no mean feat for a Republican in a Democratic state. He has legit centrist/indie appeal. I just doubt that it’s as remotely world-beating as his fans (“he’s the Republican Bill Clinton!”) want people to believe. Take away the fluke propulsion he got locally from Sandy and put him up against a strong Democrat and how does he fare?

Ironically, I think his strongest credential against someone as bland as Hillary Clinton is the double-edged sword of his personality, which grates on me more each time I’m exposed to it but which has the virtue of potentially making Christie as vivid in voters’ minds as Hillary, a bona fide Democratic icon. With the possible exception of Ted Cruz, Christie may be the only guy in the field who could alter the public’s perception that 2016 is really all about her and whether she’ll become the first woman president. It’s easy to imagine his Republican rivals getting bigfooted. Not him. The fact remains, though, that for all the babbling about a prospective Christie juggernaut in the primaries, his candidacy is potentially one-and-done: He’ll be an underdog in Iowa because of the strong evangelical and Paulbot factions there, which means everything will be riding on winning the moderate, maverick-y GOP electorate in New Hampshire. Can he beat Paul and maybe Scott Walker? If not, South Carolina’s almost certainly a lost cause, which means he’ll need New York/New Jersey transplants in Florida to deliver that state to him in a last-ditch try to keep his candidacy alive. Christie’s a much stronger candidate than Giuliani was — more colorful, more socially conservative, certainly better funded — but sometimes I think he and Rudy’s primary fates might be more similar than people think.

Ah well. As for poor Rubio, lefty Benjy Sarlin wonders where his niche is now with Christie emerging as centrist messiah and Paul and Cruz emerging on the right. (And yes, the Paul/Cruz rivalry is already taking form.) In theory, Rubio could be the “somewhat conservative” hero — not too hot, not too cold, but jusssst right for people who think Christie’s too RINO-y and Cruz too fringe-y. Where does Rubio win, though? Maybe we’re destined for a death match between him and Christie in Florida to see who’ll be crowned establishment champion and do battle with Cruz or Paul for the nomination.


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Marco: “remember me”

Answer – from me – NOPE

jake-the-goose on November 6, 2013 at 7:25 PM

They both have as much chance of earning my vote in 2016, which is less than the chance I will be voting for Obama for President in 2016.

astonerii on November 6, 2013 at 7:25 PM

Si, se puede!

Schadenfreude on November 6, 2013 at 7:25 PM

Finally, I agree with Mr. Amnesty.

BuckeyeSam on November 6, 2013 at 7:26 PM

They both lie like sieves/obama.

Schadenfreude on November 6, 2013 at 7:26 PM

Obligatory, just because it’ll be fun to watch commenters try to decide whether to grumble about Christie here or about Rubio. Mirror mirror on the wall, who’s the RINO-iest RINO of them all?

Why choose?

They both suck

workingclass artist on November 6, 2013 at 7:27 PM

Well, and to think that I thought the Cristie victory wasn’t worth much. It’s made Rubio nervous so it’s at least given me a little chuckle.

DFCtomm on November 6, 2013 at 7:28 PM

AP: Mirror mirror on the wall, who’s the RINO-iest RINO of them all?
Mirror: You are, of course.

doorsxp on November 6, 2013 at 7:28 PM

Obligatory, just because it’ll be fun to watch commenters try to decide whether to grumble about Christie here or about Rubio. Mirror mirror on the wall, who’s the RINO-iest RINO of them all?

Only obama thinks that all the people are stupid when he says “If you…bla, bla”.

Not much diff btw. these two liars, and you know it well.

Schadenfreude is fully granted you. You deserve the fun.

Schadenfreude on November 6, 2013 at 7:28 PM

Si, se puede!

Schadenfreude on November 6, 2013 at 7:25 PM

Bwaa haa haa!

Love it Shadenfreude!

portlandon on November 6, 2013 at 7:29 PM

Why choose just one..?

d1carter on November 6, 2013 at 7:30 PM

“Clearly (Christie) was able to speak to the hopes and aspirations of people within New Jersey…”

Ehem…Senor Rubio how does a #46 ranking for businesses for New Jersey speak to hope and aspirations of the people of New Jersey?

And how many seats in the legislature did republicans pickup in New Jersey last night?

workingclass artist on November 6, 2013 at 7:31 PM

but sometimes I think he and Rudy’s primary fates might be more similar than people think.

I was thinking exactly that earlier today. Iowa? Not Christie country. New Hampshire? Probably not Christie country. South Carolina? Definitely not Christie country. Which brings us to Florida and we all know what happened to Guiliani when he ran with the Florida strategy.

Resist We Much on November 6, 2013 at 7:32 PM

Love it Shadenfreude!

portlandon on November 6, 2013 at 7:29 PM

Cheers. They think, erroneously, that we’re all as stupid as the latrine rats.

2014, especially, and

2016

…lots to look forward to. The morons in DC assume they will still be the comfi minority. 2012 was the last year of the fooling. Last night was enough proof of what they like/do, regal minority status instead of saving the land and her kids. I advise that they keep insulting the TEA party folks.

Schadenfreude on November 6, 2013 at 7:32 PM

The only reason Rubio is in DC is because he lied.

The only reason Boehner has the hammer, temporarily, is thanks to the TEA party, which he and his undermine, royally.

Cantor is an incredible swine. He knew all about Benghazi ahead of the 2012 election and said nothing, and now his top dog fought for McAuliffe to win.

Go to Hell, all of you squishes. The Earth should devour you, as it should obama. YOU are no different.

Schadenfreude on November 6, 2013 at 7:35 PM

let’s hope it’s neither Christie, Rubio, Cruz, or Paul. The only person with governing experience is Christie himself; and let’s face it, he would make a good VP.

I’m hoping for a dark horse govenor to enter the race. We have plenty.

mrscullen on November 6, 2013 at 7:35 PM

Reminder: Rubio is a liar.

Panther on November 6, 2013 at 7:36 PM

Why I love HA, one of the reasons.

Schadenfreude on November 6, 2013 at 7:39 PM

Who cares what Rubio thinks. Oh Fox News, the WSJ and HA care.

Wigglesworth on November 6, 2013 at 7:39 PM

romney=rubio=christie

a trio to warm bluegill’s cold heart.

renalin on November 6, 2013 at 7:39 PM

Why I love HA, one of the reasons.

Schadenfreude on November 6, 2013 at 7:39 PM

Yeah…that’s funny and Allah is twisted

workingclass artist on November 6, 2013 at 7:44 PM

romney=rubio=christie

a trio to warm bluegill’s cold heart.

renalin on November 6, 2013 at 7:39 PM

bluegill might be hated by the Palin-kids but she’s not into threesomes/foursomes, that we know of. Nor do we care.

However, your comment might be used by the Ds in 2016, taken for true. That w/b hilarious.

Schadenfreude on November 6, 2013 at 7:44 PM

Yeah…that’s funny and Allah is twisted

workingclass artist on November 6, 2013 at 7:44 PM

He’s just bored silly.

Grant him the fun. He deserves it.

Schadenfreude on November 6, 2013 at 7:44 PM

I’m hoping for a dark horse govenor to enter the race. We have plenty.

mrscullen on November 6, 2013 at 7:35 PM

If you wouldn’t have said “governor” they’d have called you a racist :) Wait…they still might.

Schadenfreude on November 6, 2013 at 7:46 PM

Schadenfreude on November 6, 2013 at 7:44 PM

tell me, oh famed daignostician, what difference do YOU detect between the three.

(hint 2 out of the 3 are mormons)

renalin on November 6, 2013 at 7:47 PM

Yeah…that’s funny and Allah is twisted

workingclass artist on November 6, 2013 at 7:44 PM

He’s just bored silly.

Grant him the fun. He deserves it.

Schadenfreude on November 6, 2013 at 7:44 PM

: )

workingclass artist on November 6, 2013 at 7:47 PM

Bush

kcewa on November 6, 2013 at 7:47 PM

We’re not, “Marco Rubio”, we’re not.

SouthernGent on November 6, 2013 at 7:49 PM

Bush

kcewa on November 6, 2013 at 7:47 PM

Oh God…No

I’ll guess he’ll chime in soon

workingclass artist on November 6, 2013 at 7:49 PM

This thread is funny.

what difference do YOU detect between the three.

None

(hint 2 out of the 3 are mormons)

Why would anyone but a bigot care about this?

renalin on November 6, 2013 at 7:47 PM

To your entire comment, your premise is wrong. bluegill is a Cruz girl, or is sesqui’s twin sister, who pretends to be a Cruz girl.

Schadenfreude on November 6, 2013 at 7:50 PM

I think Donut is gonna wear thin pdq in the RGA

workingclass artist on November 6, 2013 at 7:52 PM

daignostician — new word from renalin

Schadenfreude on November 6, 2013 at 7:53 PM

To be clear, I’m not voting against a Democrat next time around, and I’m not voting while holding my nose, either. And I DON’T want to hear crap about how any non-vote is a vote for Hillary (or whomever). My one vote, won or lost, won’t usher in the first woman president. They can all suck eggs if they’re not going to support smaller government.

HiJack on November 6, 2013 at 7:54 PM

Schadenfreude on November 6, 2013 at 7:53 PM

fantabulous bro……still waiting to hear the difference between the three.

renalin on November 6, 2013 at 7:55 PM

Best song for obama, Rubio and Christie

Schadenfreude on November 6, 2013 at 7:56 PM

still waiting to hear the difference between the three.

renalin on November 6, 2013 at 7:55 PM

None (I don’t care about their girth. I care what they say/do).

Schadenfreude on November 6, 2013 at 7:57 PM

Bush

kcewa on November 6, 2013 at 7:47 PM

Oh God…No

I’ll guess he’ll chime in soon

workingclass artist on November 6, 2013 at 7:49 PM

Just a reminder to AP. I’m guessing he’s saving Jeb for QOTD.

kcewa on November 6, 2013 at 7:57 PM

The only thing that’s pretty certain is that the 2016 Florida primary’s going to take out either Christie (if he can’t win here, with all the New Jersey transplants, where outside of his home state can he win?), or it’s going to take out Rubio (if he can’t even win his home state, where can he win?).

jon1979 on November 6, 2013 at 7:58 PM

NO more Bush, Clintons, Kennedys and obamas.

One (once) Great Britain is way plenty.

Schadenfreude on November 6, 2013 at 7:58 PM

Rubio would get chewed up and spit out by the Clinton machine. The guy has absolutely no political smarts whatsoever.

Mark1971 on November 6, 2013 at 8:00 PM

Rubio is Jeb Bush’s protégé. He is pure establishment. He is the face of one of the few issues I will work to bring about a 3rd party.

However, he still pales in comparison to my disdain of Chris Christie. I will fight, scratch, claw and bite to keep Chris Christie away from the White House.

KMav on November 6, 2013 at 8:04 PM

OT…

So today Obama came to Texas and asked Gov. Perry to expand Medicaid in Texas.

Perry said…NO!

Gotta love it…

Texas Gov. Rick Perry on Obama’s visit to promote health care law: ‘… he’s coming to Texas in a desperate attempt to salvage his ill-conceived and unpopular program from a Titanic fate by preaching expansion of the same Medicaid system he himself admits is broken’

http://politics.breakingnews.com/item/ahZzfmJyZWFraW5nbmV3cy13d3ctaHJkcg0LEgRTZWVkGOrXrCAM/2013/11/07/texas-gov-rick-perry-on-obamas-visit-to-promote

workingclass artist on November 6, 2013 at 8:05 PM

Christie won in New Jersey. I consider that to be largely a Democrat victory in that in most of his stands he is just another Democrat that has figured out how to get us to pay for his political campaigns.

Rubio congratulated him. Given that he rolled over on “those what brung him” and is an ally of Chuckie Schumer, it is only to be expected. It is going to take longer than he has left in his term to re-establish any credibility. Both of them, four ways: long, wide, deep, and continuous.

The part of Christie’s victory that is not a Democrat victory is an Institutional Republican victory; because Christie is the model of their dream Republican Party after they have chased out all of us nasty conservatives. Good luck with that.

Subotai Bahadur on November 6, 2013 at 8:06 PM

Another reason why I love HA.

Schadenfreude on November 6, 2013 at 8:07 PM

None (I don’t care about their girth. I care what they say/do).

Schadenfreude on November 6, 2013 at 7:57 PM

Precisely… Krispie’s public statements on citizen disarmament make him a non-starter for me and millions of conservatives… and don’t give me any crap about geography. I’m not interested in any bromides about how he has to say things like that to appease his local constituency.

Secretary of Labor in a Cruz administration? I’m on board with that…

PointnClick on November 6, 2013 at 8:08 PM

Christie could have appointed a republican to fill the vacant senate seat but didn’t. So along with his slobbering endorsement of Obama right before the 2012 election, which may have lost the republicans the presidency, Christie is also responsible for the loss of a Republican senate seat. Yeah, he is a great democrat.

fight like a girl on November 6, 2013 at 8:09 PM

tell me, oh famed daignostician, what difference do YOU detect between the three.

(hint 2 out of the 3 are mormons)

renalin on November 6, 2013 at 7:47 PM

That’s the point isn’t it. Why don’t you tell us what the difference is, because most of us have problem detecting any difference, other than 2 are Mormon.

DFCtomm on November 6, 2013 at 8:10 PM

The only thing that’s pretty certain is that the 2016 Florida primary’s going to take out either Christie (if he can’t win here, with all the New Jersey transplants, where outside of his home state can he win?), or it’s going to take out Rubio (if he can’t even win his home state, where can he win?).

jon1979 on November 6, 2013 at 7:58 PM

Remember the primary schedule for 2016 is not set. That will be decided by the guys who left Cuccinelli to twist in the wind and have this ad up today.

kcewa on November 6, 2013 at 8:12 PM

DFCtomm on November 6, 2013 at 8:10 PM

schad seem to think that the democrats will use that statement against us.

we both agree. there is no difference. if you parse their public statements, they are pretty close.

you can imagine what goes on behind closed doors.

monica lewinsky time.

renalin on November 6, 2013 at 8:15 PM

renalin on November 6, 2013 at 8:15 PM

S l ooooowwwly – my comment about them using…was strictly about the threesome/foursome. Wake up already.

Schadenfreude on November 6, 2013 at 8:16 PM

Schadenfreude on November 6, 2013 at 8:16 PM

perhaps if your post wasn’t littered with Palin-kids i would have paid more attention.

renalin on November 6, 2013 at 8:25 PM

…not interested!

KOOLAID2 on November 6, 2013 at 8:27 PM

Children of Christie

Schadenfreude on November 6, 2013 at 8:46 PM

renalin doesn’t speak English.

Schadenfreude on November 6, 2013 at 8:46 PM

Its the Iran-Iraq war: cant they both lose?

Valkyriepundit on November 6, 2013 at 8:48 PM

Si, se puede!

Schadenfreude on November 6, 2013 at 7:25 PM

Wait an el segundo, I know what that means.

“Yes, yes I lie and you will like it.”

arnold ziffel on November 6, 2013 at 8:57 PM

I don’t know folks, I think Christie can be a real contender. And if he can get the democrats to make no effort whatsoever to win the White House in 2016 like they did in the recent NJ governor’s race, he could actually win in a blowout!

xblade on November 6, 2013 at 9:11 PM

Marco, Marco, Marco…..still delusional that Jeb Bush will ever let him be the first President from Florida.

Move along RINO poser Rubio.

PappyD61 on November 6, 2013 at 10:22 PM

Marco: “remember me”

Answer – from me – NOPE

jake-the-goose

To be fair, with your head being so full of Christie love, is there really room for memories of anyone else?

xblade on November 6, 2013 at 11:02 PM

Rudy and Christie are both NE Republicans who did nothing to help their parties grow and who have no appeal beyond the coasts.

Iblis on November 6, 2013 at 11:50 PM

Cruz, Rubio, and Paul are asterisks in the 2016 race. Not one of them has the executive experience needed to qualify them for President.

Adjoran on November 7, 2013 at 12:22 AM

Sigue chupando los Bushes, Marco.

steebo77 on November 7, 2013 at 1:49 AM

One pro-AMNESTY liberal whining about another pro-AMNESTY liberal.

Pork-Chop on November 7, 2013 at 9:48 AM

I don’t know. I hate Chris Christie, such a Judas. But with Rubio I feel (yes, I know I’m supposed to think not feel) like I could forgive him if he made it up to me. Maybe not by 2016 but he has backed off his gang of 8 crap and if he did something really awesome I could fall in love again…that’s all I’m saying.

magicbeans on November 7, 2013 at 9:38 PM