Open thread: Moment of truth in the Old Dominion; McAuliffe wins

posted at 6:41 pm on November 5, 2013 by Erika Johnsen

Republican Gov. Chris Christie is cruising toward a historical win in uber-blue New Jersey tonight, but in tonight’s other, less certain gubernatorial race down in Virginia, lifelong Democratic fundraiser and “businessman” Terry McAuliffe is well-positioned to make some history of his own in the opposite direction: For three decades, Virginia’s one-term-limited governors have been elected from the party not sitting in the White House, but with an average lead of almost seven points going into this morning, it’s entirely possible that Virginia’s changing demographics and purplish new reality have killed the reliability of that pattern dead.

All of those years of Democratic fundraising weren’t for nothing, of course, and Team Terry has enjoyed a massive cash advantage throughout the race and used it to pummel Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli as a crazy-eyed social conservative in ad after ad after ad. Camp Cuccinelli, meanwhile, has lately turned to nurturing a full-force Republicans turnout; Virginia has a typically Republican lean in off-year elections, so that could be another possibly disrupted pattern to look for once all the dust has settled. Looking at the down-ticket races, especially Attorney General, could help to shed some light on whether the results will be all about the characteristics of McAuliffe v. Cuccinelli, or indicative of some deeper demographic shifts.

One of the big takeaways from the Old Dominion tonight will be the effect of the Libertarian candidate Robert Sarvis on the race; he’s been polling around a surprisingly solid 9 percent or so, according to the RCP average, and there has been plenty of contention about whether he is pulling away votes from McAuliffe and Cuccinelli equally or primarily harming Cuccinelli’s chances. How many people actually end up voting for Sarvis when push comes to shove is tough to predict, but for any of those potential Sarvis voters that might have been on the fence about it, this may have come as a rather unwelcome nugget of news this morning (or not, as the case may be). Via The Blaze:

A major Democratic Party benefactor and Obama campaign bundler helped pay for professional petition circulators responsible for getting Virginia Libertarian gubernatorial candidate Robert C. Sarvis on the ballot — a move that could split conservative votes in a tight race.

Campaign finance records show the Libertarian Booster PAC has made the largest independent contribution to Sarvis’ campaign, helping to pay for professional petition circulators who collected signatures necessary to get Sarvis’ name on Tuesday’s statewide ballot.

Austin, Texas, software billionaire Joe Liemandt is the Libertarian Booster PAC’s major benefactor. He’s also a top bundler for President Barack Obama.

Another big factor, as I mentioned above, are Virginia’s shifting demographics. Sean Trende explains:

We’ve talked a lot about demographics this year, but we’re finally going to get some good data. We’re getting exit polls in the races, as we did in 2009, and it couldn’t be more timely. One of the big question marks for Democrats going forward is whether Obama’s turnout among minority voters is transferable, or whether it is an Obama-specific phenomenon.

Gubernatorial candidate Terry McAuliffe has invested scads of money trying to replicate the Obama turnout patterns. We should probably expect a bounce-back in Democratic groups from 2009, simply because that environment was so overwhelmingly lousy for Democrats (if we don’t, it’s a big problem for the party). But if the breakdowns look like 2012 or 2008, it’s a pretty good sign for Democrats.

Virginia’s polls close at 7 PM Eastern, and Virginia’s official election page as well as HuffPo‘s live results are both good places to watch the precinct reports start to stream in. Rural Virginia counties tend to get their vote counts in sooner, so the early stages of reporting might be a little misleading (you’ll recall that things looked that way in the Romney episode of yesteryear, as David Jarman points out), and I’ll be keeping an eye on things with updates below.

Update: Both Obama and Biden took some time to stump for McAuliffe over the past couple of days, and both largely avoided the subject of ObamaCare while President Obama really hammered the government shutdown as the major issue du jour. Suffice it to say that O probably wouldn’t have won McAuliffe any votes he didn’t already have by mentioning that “glitchy” living nightmare:

Update: And here come more exit polls:

Update: Here’s an exit-poll extravaganza from the Washington Post; it would seem that all of that “war-on-women”-izing in which Team Terry absurdly yet aggressively engaged came in mighty handy:

And again:

Update: Oh?

Update: Sean Trende has been filtering the incoming results through his model and chronicling the evolution thereof on his Twitter feed; things started out looking fairly favorable for Cuccinelli, but sounds like it’s getting tighter:

Update: The Associated Press is calling the lieutenant governor’s race for the Democrat, Ralph Northam:

Democratic state Sen. Ralph Northam defeated Republican E.W. Jackson in a race sharply defined by social issues.

Northam easily beat Jackson on Tuesday following a campaign that centered on Northam’s defense of abortion rights and Jackson’s Christian-based anti-abortion platform. Jackson also opposes gay marriage, while Northam supports it.

The winner succeeds Republican Bill Bolling. A Democrat hasn’t occupied the office since U.S. Sen. Tim Kaine was lieutenant governor in 2006.

Update: I must say, I would have estimated that somebody would have called this thing by now, but the counts are still going, and it’s definitely going to be quite a bit closer than many of the polls were predicting; NBC is still saying the race is “too close to call,” but the latest numbers are still looking like they’re in McAuliffe’s favor:

Update: Fox News is calling it, ya’ll:

Democrat Terry McAuliffe is projected to win the Virginia gubernatorial race, defeating Republican nominee Ken Cuccinelli in a surprisingly close victory.

Fox News projected McAuliffe as the winner Tuesday night.

Update: Wow, this race looks like it’s going to be way closer than the polls were generally predicting; with 92 percent of precincts reporting, we’re looking at only a 47 – 46 split between McAuliffe and Cuccinelli, with Sarvis at 7 percent.

Update: I would merely point out that McAuliffe outraised Cuccinelli by something like $16 million, a lot of it from bigger donors. I’m sure we can rely on hearing the Democrats’ usual outraged cries about the lamentable influence of big, outside money in politics any time now. …Yep, any time now.

Update: With 97 percent of precincts reporting, the split is still 47 – 46. (Emerson College kinda’ called that one, eh?)


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gh on November 5, 2013 at 11:20 PM

Truth be told, gh, my first criterion in a political candidate is to determine how much he or she displays an awareness of the problem.

Christie displays none whatsoever.

Cleombrotus on November 5, 2013 at 11:29 PM

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canopfor on November 5, 2013 at 11:29 PM

“Yet the RNC can not help a good man win the Gov. office in Va..

You have to be on meth or crack not to get it.”

Well said!

Jess1 on November 5, 2013 at 11:30 PM

I agree, but I also don’t see a winning strategy to that on our side. Any moves to try to stem the flow of progressive philosophy (Marxism) is met with cutesy, dog whistle words like racist, sexist, homophobe etc.

melle1228 on November 5, 2013 at 11:24 PM

Your pessimism is wrong-headed. I take the view that after gay equality that there are no groups out there who will be taken for reasonable victims. We approach a day when the claims of oppression by the left will be laughed at, and on that day we will win! And by we, I most definitely mean you and me

thuja on November 5, 2013 at 11:30 PM

Old habbits die hard.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on November 5, 2013 at 11:30 PM

thuja on November 5, 2013 at 11:21 PM

Interesting

Cleombrotus on November 5, 2013 at 11:31 PM

melle1228 on November 5, 2013 at 11:24 PM

It took me 15 years just to understand all this. From conversations with a friend I met when my oldest daughter switched schools.

The key problem now is to get new ideas out on the right. Going back to the founding fathers is not feasible. Mark Levin is starting to get some of the right ideas with his most recent book. Karl Denninger’s book on the economy is essential. School choice is critical. Families.

gh on November 5, 2013 at 11:32 PM

Dude, I am the right-wing Tea Party nut case in every gay event I have ever been to. Perhaps, you have actually met a gay person embarrassed by my stance, or perhaps you are making up your experiences. But I assure you that you if the number of your “real homosexuals” in all of America is less than a thousand.

thuja on November 5, 2013 at 11:18 PM

Hey thuja, I’m wondering if you disagree with what KingGold said here:

Gay people in particular tend to be pretty libertarian in their voting habits, but they take offense easily and have long memories. The jihad against Rick Santorum is evidence enough of that. One single comment comparing homosexuality to bestiality, and he was smeared forever.

KingGold on November 5, 2013 at 10:13 PM

Anti-Control on November 5, 2013 at 11:32 PM

Yeah, being a Libertarian is reason enough for you to call for suicide. You guys handle loss very poorly.

Panther on November 5, 2013 at 11:26 PM

Are we having two different conversations? I think duck man is one of you liberals who comment here and feeds comments when you need them to point to. Such as you’re doing with every comment you’ve made since that was posted.

smoothsailing on November 5, 2013 at 11:32 PM

Cleombrotus on November 5, 2013 at 11:29 PM

Yup. Even more so than Romney and Dubya.

gh on November 5, 2013 at 11:33 PM

Example to watch, the commie msm and the commie Democrats will now go after Ted Curz via his dad, the RNC, the elite Republicans will not lift a finger to help Ted Cruz.

It is at the top a two party evil money cult with incest at the core.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on November 5, 2013 at 11:33 PM

I’m upbeat – we have a super-majority legislature which should prevent TM from doing too much of anything.

A week ago McCrook was poised for a 12 point victory, purchased with a 2-1 spending advantage and stories were already being written about how “the Tea Party is too extreme” to win in VA anymore. Obamacare within 1 week irradiated nearly all of that advantage. Can’t wait for 2014.

crrr6 on November 5, 2013 at 11:34 PM

sentinelrules on November 5, 2013 at 11:26 PM

Heh. Beautiful.

Cleombrotus on November 5, 2013 at 11:35 PM

sentinelrules on November 5, 2013 at 11:26 PM

Did I say anything whatsoever about gay marriage?

Traditional-marriage candidates win all the time. If Cuccinelli stuck to that, he’d probably have been fine. As I said, rewriting the anti-discrimination policies and rehashing an archaic anti-sodomy law got him terrible press and hurt him among independents and young people, who only seem to vote these days to punish candidates perceived as anti-gay.

Not that it matters to you, of course. To you, Cuccinelli lost because Establishment. Ted Cruz/Sarah Palin 2016, and Fatass Christie can die in a fire. That about right?

KingGold on November 5, 2013 at 11:36 PM

I take the view that after gay equality that there are no groups out there who will be taken for reasonable victims.
thuja on November 5, 2013 at 11:30 PM

Your view is incorrect, especially keeping in mind the same was once said re:those into homosexual acts. There are incest and pedophile organizationa advocating for their “rights” using the same arguments used to attempt to normalize homosexuality.

whatcat on November 5, 2013 at 11:36 PM

Anti-Control on November 5, 2013 at 11:32 PM

The Jihad against Santorum is an obvious marxist tactic. The war on women goes back to Engels. And the war against the church even further.

The gays are just being used.

gh on November 5, 2013 at 11:36 PM

Open thread: Moment of truth in the Old Dominion; McAuliffe wins

posted at 6:41 pm on November 5, 2013 by Erika Johnsen

…I wonder if Erika is going to have to change her pants…when she sees this thread count in the morning?…I really like her!
(:->)

KOOLAID2 on November 5, 2013 at 11:39 PM

“rewriting the anti-discrimination policies and rehashing an archaic anti-sodomy law”

A move that had many of us somewhat GOP leaning folk totally befuddled.

Jess1 on November 5, 2013 at 11:41 PM

20% of VA electorate said abortion was most important issue in their vote.

McAuliffe winning 2-1 among that group.

Non-married women in #VAGov race go for McAuliffe 70% to 22%.

100 % Precincts Reporting
Terry McAuliffe (D) 1,060,008 48%
Ken Cuccinelli (R) 1,005,832 45%
Robert Sarvis (L) 145,764 7%

Bottom line, socons have elected another Democrat. And, this time the tea party helped them.

Moesart on November 5, 2013 at 11:41 PM

We lost this race specifically because of “Republicans” like KingGold.

steebo77 on November 5, 2013 at 11:41 PM

The Jihad against Santorum is an obvious marxist tactic. The war on women goes back to Engels. And the war against the church even further.

The gays are just being used.

gh on November 5, 2013 at 11:36 PM

That’s funny, considering that Santorum’s economic positions are, in fact, quite Marxist. He’d be waving a hammer and sickle flag if he wasn’t slightly more dedicated to being a stooge for the Vatican.

Armin Tamzarian on November 5, 2013 at 11:41 PM

socons = election poison

Moesart on November 5, 2013 at 11:42 PM

Bottom line, socons have elected another Democrat. And, this time the tea party helped them.

Moesart on November 5, 2013 at 11:41 PM

“Libertarian” Democrat stalking horses sure didn’t help.

steebo77 on November 5, 2013 at 11:42 PM

ROFL the anus/abortion crowd is hard at it.

Murphy9 on November 5, 2013 at 11:44 PM

Bottom line, socons have elected another Democrat. And, this time the tea party helped them.
Moesart on November 5, 2013 at 11:41 PM

Why does this remind me of Feinstein’s mangling of the Obamacare fiasco?

Cleombrotus on November 5, 2013 at 11:46 PM

Bottom line, socons have elected another Democrat. And, this time the tea party helped them.
Moesart on November 5, 2013 at 11:41 PM

What? Sarvis won?

whatcat on November 5, 2013 at 11:47 PM

Not that it matters to you, of course. To you, Cuccinelli lost because Establishment. Ted Cruz/Sarah Palin 2016, and Fatass Christie can die in a fire. That about right?

KingGold on November 5, 2013 at 11:36 PM

He lost because he was out-spent 10-1 and the Liberal Media was against him and Northern Virginia has been infested by pro-homosexual liberals who ruined their home states and now come like locusts to Red States.

sentinelrules on November 5, 2013 at 11:48 PM

I am not advocating this song’s message at all, but since the topic was mentioned in this open thread & because it’s a good song… :)

The Only Ones – “Why Don’t You Kill Yourself?”

You called out from the gutter
I couldn’t hear the words you muttered
Then you discovered Hell and paid the full price
Angels sent to tempt ya
Desire couldn’t melt ya
This ain’t no missionary’s speech
Just some friendly advice

Why don’t you kill yourself?
You ain’t no use to no one else
Why don’t you kill yourself?
You ain’t no use to no one else

I heard you had your stomach pumped
Four times already this week

Anti-Control on November 5, 2013 at 11:48 PM

gh on November 5, 2013 at 11:36 PM

gh, can you recommend a good book on Kant? Not looking for an apology, obviously.

Cleombrotus on November 5, 2013 at 11:48 PM

Bottom line, socons have elected another Democrat. And, this time the tea party helped them.

Moesart on November 5, 2013 at 11:41 PM

Its statements like this that prove how affective the lying machine on the left is. KC NEVER talked about social issues. TM lied his ass off about KC’s positions and in fact if voters were informed they would know as a matter of fact there is nothing KC could do or would do to stop them from getting their abortions or contraception.

You sir, are a moron.

jawkneemusic on November 5, 2013 at 11:48 PM

Hey thuja, I’m wondering if you disagree with what KingGold said here:

Gay people in particular tend to be pretty libertarian in their voting habits, but they take offense easily and have long memories. The jihad against Rick Santorum is evidence enough of that. One single comment comparing homosexuality to bestiality, and he was smeared forever.

KingGold on November 5, 2013 at 10:13 PM

Anti-Control on November 5, 2013 at 11:32 PM

KingGold is correct. I have tried to defend Governor Corbett to gays and heterosexual Pittsburgh suburbanites, but after he compared homosexuality to incest there is no way Corbett will get their votes. The worst thing about this is that this was that there was absolutely no upside to Corbett for what he said. This means that Corbett didn’t only potentially sacrifice his own political career on this issue, but the future of Pennsylvania’s economy on this act of political cluelessness.

thuja on November 5, 2013 at 11:50 PM

They will learn it the same day you put a gun in your mouth and pull the trigger.

Truth.

UODuckMan on November 5, 2013 at 10:50 PM

…no UOD !…that’s not kool!…he can beat his chub…into a nub…but please don’t suggest what you did…for real!…some of them are ideologically and psychologically… closer than you think…so please don’t!

KOOLAID2 on November 5, 2013 at 11:51 PM

socons = election poison

Moesart on November 5, 2013 at 11:42 PM

Progressives in the GOP = divisive party poison.

Why are you allowed to advocate your social issues but not conservatives?

smoothsailing on November 5, 2013 at 11:51 PM

Moesart is exposing the RINO’s belief that they need to purge real conservatives from the GOP. Given social conservatives makeup nearly half of the GOP base, good luck winning elections with that tactic jackwad.

jawkneemusic on November 5, 2013 at 11:51 PM

We lost this race specifically because of “Republicans” like KingGold.

steebo77 on November 5, 2013 at 11:41 PM

Hey pal:

1) I’m not a resident of Virginia, so I couldn’t have voted for Cuccinelli even if I wanted. (I sent him some money, but it’s not like that matters to you.)

2) I didn’t see any Tea Party moneybombs like the kind that made magic happen for Scott Brown three years ago. Was money tight, or were you guys just planning to let the national committees do the heavy lifting and take credit afterward like always?

3) According to the exit polling, 11% of self-described Tea Party supporters voted for the Clinton consigliere. You go ahead and figure that out.

4) You can go ahead and blame me and people who think like me for every loss sustained, but it’s not going to change the deeper problems Cuccinelli suffered, and the hazards of a base-turnout strategy in a purple state.

KingGold on November 5, 2013 at 11:52 PM

Your view is incorrect, especially keeping in mind the same was once said re:those into homosexual acts. There are incest and pedophile organizationa advocating for their “rights” using the same arguments used to attempt to normalize homosexuality.

whatcat on November 5, 2013 at 11:36 PM

Ah, dude, you do kind of get that there are innocent victims of incest? Your question makes it seem the opposite.

thuja on November 5, 2013 at 11:52 PM

What? Sarvis won?

whatcat on November 5, 2013 at 11:47 PM

He was a capital L Libertine man!

Murphy9 on November 5, 2013 at 11:54 PM

KOOLAID2 on November 5, 2013 at 11:51 PM

Koolaid2, I seriously doubt that commenter is anything but a Democrat trolling here. He led a one man campaign here to keep people from voting for Romney.

smoothsailing on November 5, 2013 at 11:54 PM

They will learn it the same day you put a gun in your mouth and pull the trigger.

Truth.

UODuckMan on November 5, 2013 at 10:50 PM

I am not advocating this song’s message at all, but since the topic was mentioned in this open thread & because it’s a good song… :)

The Only Ones – “Why Don’t You Kill Yourself?”

You called out from the gutter
I couldn’t hear the words you muttered
Then you discovered Hell and paid the full price
Angels sent to tempt ya
Desire couldn’t melt ya
This ain’t no missionary’s speech
Just some friendly advice

Why don’t you kill yourself?
You ain’t no use to no one else
Why don’t you kill yourself?
You ain’t no use to no one else

I heard you had your stomach pumped
Four times already this week

Anti-Control on November 5, 2013 at 11:48 PM

Just to give your comment a little context.

Panther on November 5, 2013 at 11:55 PM

“Libertarian” Democrat stalking horses sure didn’t help.

steebo77 on November 5, 2013 at 11:42 PM

You realize that even if Sarvis had dropped out and his voters broke for the Kookster 60-40, it still wouldn’t have been enough for him to win, right?

Armin Tamzarian on November 5, 2013 at 11:55 PM

KingGold is correct. I have tried to defend Governor Corbett to gays and heterosexual Pittsburgh suburbanites, but after he compared homosexuality to incest there is no way Corbett will get their votes. The worst thing about this is that this was that there was absolutely no upside to Corbett for what he said. This means that Corbett didn’t only potentially sacrifice his own political career on this issue, but the future of Pennsylvania’s economy on this act of political cluelessness.

thuja on November 5, 2013 at 11:50 PM

You have no problem, then, with straights breeders who’d stereotypically say that gays are offended easily with long memories of who’s offended them? :)

Anti-Control on November 5, 2013 at 11:55 PM

gh, can you recommend a good book on Kant? Not looking for an apology, obviously.

Cleombrotus on November 5, 2013 at 11:48 PM

Unfortunately, I cannot. Long ago, when I was a postdoc (in physics), I tried to take advantage of the Uni library and looked in the section on Kant. Found a book by a leading Kantian and while in the stacks flipped through it. Author said that Kant cannot really be understood except in the original German and even that is difficult. Since my German is non-existent, I decided I was too busy for Kant.

Despite Ayn Rand’s insistence that one really should read the enemy’s works. But Ayn has her own problems.

gh on November 5, 2013 at 11:55 PM

Did anyone turn into a pillar of salt yet?

MontanaMmmm on November 5, 2013 at 11:57 PM

Just to give your comment a little context.

Panther on November 5, 2013 at 11:55 PM

Oh just report duckman to one of the mods. That is if you don’t mind losing one of the longest running liberal mobys on hot air. I think we’d all support him being banned.

smoothsailing on November 5, 2013 at 11:58 PM

Oh just report duckman to one of the mods. That is if you don’t mind losing one of the longest running liberal mobys on hot air. I think we’d all support him being banned.

smoothsailing on November 5, 2013 at 11:58 PM

I’m a Libertarian, I would never call for anyone to be banned over free-speech. Not even you or CW for cheering on the calls for suicide. I will however call you on it.

Panther on November 6, 2013 at 12:02 AM

NBC reports that Christie REFUSED to campaign for Cucinelli in Virginia.

In case you haven’t figured it out — it’s Republicans & Democrats versus the Tea Party.

INC on November 5, 2013 at 10:42 PM

…good one INC…I just saw that!

KOOLAID2 on November 6, 2013 at 12:05 AM

Proof once again that all of the initial “progressive” Consititutional Amendments (XVI – XIX inclusive) were very bad ideas.

Adjoran on November 6, 2013 at 12:07 AM

Count other on those slimeball RINO’s & establishment types screwed the tea party out of. After Christie made his deal with Senator booker and Obama, WHY THE H*LL YOU SENDING HIM MILLIONS FROM THE RGA. If Cooch had more TV ads up he would have won. You think being outspent on TV 10 to 1 made a difference.

GOD, it’s like the RINO’s want dems to win over conservatives!!!!!!

Danielvito on November 5, 2013 at 9:37 PM

That’s why I will never vote for another RINO again. They all want to increase the size and scope of government, just with a different team in power. They want us to shut up and die.

njrob on November 6, 2013 at 12:08 AM

Your view is incorrect, especially keeping in mind the same was once said re:those into homosexual acts. There are incest and pedophile organizationa advocating for their “rights” using the same arguments used to attempt to normalize homosexuality. whatcat on November 5, 2013 at 11:36 PM

Ah, dude, you do kind of get that there are innocent victims of incest? Your question makes it seem the opposite.
thuja on November 5, 2013 at 11:52 PM

Didn’t mention anything about “victims”, Bart. Just observing two facts:
1) The same thing was said about homosexual activity as with other alternative sexual lifestyle choices – “it’ll never be accepted”.
2) The arguments are exactly the same “But they love each other.”, “how does it hurt your marriage?” – the usual boilerplate non-sequitur rationale offered by those demanding “equality”.

whatcat on November 6, 2013 at 12:08 AM

I’m a Libertarian, I would never call for anyone to be banned over free-speech. Not even you or CW for cheering on the calls for suicide. I will however call you on it.

Panther on November 6, 2013 at 12:02 AM

Now you’re just lying. Yell you what. If you won’t do anything to get your sockpuppet banned, call me on it. Take the comment I made, “cheer leading” the duck man comment and post it here and then send it to the mods. I’ll ban myself if I said anything, to “Cheerlead” it, liar.

Waiting.

smoothsailing on November 6, 2013 at 12:12 AM

Tell you …

smoothsailing on November 6, 2013 at 12:13 AM

Anti-Control on November 5, 2013 at 11:55 PM

What I said was objectively true, though.

Politically, the gay community is subservient to its loudest activists and opinion leaders, the “gay marriage now, regardless of the collateral damage” types like Dan Savage and that jackass who runs the Human Rights Campaign. And thanks to a decade of pro-gay marriage propaganda in the entertainment media – something that from a strategic standpoint is nothing but brilliant – the under-30 demographic is keenly aware of gay issues.

If a politician says or does something that irritates the opinion leaders – the comments of Ben Carson, Tom Corbett, Rick Santorum, and Ken Buck spring to mind, as well as the actions of Cuccinelli – that’s when the jihad begins. Gay people may only compose 3.4% of the population but people sympathetic to gay people are a much, much larger group.

In short – if you want to win an election, you can be for or against gay marriage, but if you piss off gay people, you’d better be prepared to lose a lot of voters in the process.

KingGold on November 6, 2013 at 12:14 AM

Bishop will never read this…

Seven Percent Solution on November 5, 2013 at 10:54 PM

…ok 7%!…I thought I would shit my pants when I saw that…out of nowhere!…but I just farted!

KOOLAID2 on November 6, 2013 at 12:14 AM

KC NEVER talked about social issues. TM lied his ass off about KC’s positions and in fact if voters were informed they would know as a matter of fact there is nothing KC could do or would do to stop them from getting their abortions or contraception.

jawkneemusic on November 5, 2013 at 11:48 PM

KC never talked about ssocial issues during THIS ELECTION. However, he made a name for himself as an anti-abortion crusader who supported legislation requiring women to get transvaginal ultrasounds prior to abortion. He also opposed no-fault divorce. TM pounded those positions to death and to my knowledge KC never rebutted them because they are his positions.

IMO that is what cost him the election. KC’s positions on homosexuality were unpopular with gays, but you can win an election without them. You can’t win an election if you piss off 80% of single woman voters.

talkingpoints on November 6, 2013 at 12:14 AM

In short – if you want to win an election, you can be for or against gay marriage, but if you piss off gay people, you’d better be prepared to lose a lot of voters in the process.

KingGold on November 6, 2013 at 12:14 AM

The problem is that young voters are indoctrinated from K-12 and beyond. Fix that and the gays will be as inconsequential as their numbers would suggest.

It is the socialism not the gays.

gh on November 6, 2013 at 12:17 AM

In short – if you want to win an election, you can be for or against gay marriage, but if you piss off gay people, you’d better be prepared to lose a lot of voters in the process.

KingGold on November 6, 2013 at 12:14 AM

Last time I checked Christie was against homosexual marriage.

sentinelrules on November 6, 2013 at 12:20 AM

Ah, dude, you do kind of get that there are innocent victims of incest? Your question makes it seem the opposite.
thuja on November 5, 2013 at 11:52 PM

Also, on that – are there no abusive relationships among those who are into homosexuality? (Even setting aside gay pedophiles from that question.)

whatcat on November 6, 2013 at 12:23 AM

…congrats smoothsailing !
…didn’t realize you got married…great!

KOOLAID2 on November 5, 2013 at 10:40 PM

I didn’t see this koolaid2. Thanks much. Half way through the first year. It’s the greatest thing that’s ever happened for me.p

smoothsailing on November 6, 2013 at 12:24 AM

Last time I checked Christie was against homosexual marriage.
sentinelrules on November 6, 2013 at 12:20 AM

I believe it’s more like he’s “personally” against it, but not against it otherwise. Like the copout used to dodge taking a stand on abortion.

whatcat on November 6, 2013 at 12:25 AM

Last time I checked Christie was against homosexual marriage.

sentinelrules on November 6, 2013 at 12:20 AM

Last time I checked, Christie didn’t permit students to be booted out of Rutgers for being gay.

Your reading comprehension is clearly not up to snuff; either that or you’re purposely ignorant of the difference between opposing gay issues and angering gay people. Either way, I’m done arguing with you. You win, well done, Cruz 2016. Good night.

KingGold on November 6, 2013 at 12:25 AM

I’m still waiting Panther.

smoothsailing on November 6, 2013 at 12:26 AM

steebo77 on November 5, 2013 at 11:42 PM

…they are all out today steebo77 !

KOOLAID2 on November 6, 2013 at 12:27 AM

KingGold on November 6, 2013 at 12:25 AM

His point was very valid. Not sure how you can dismiss it and say goodnight. Unless that’s all you got.

smoothsailing on November 6, 2013 at 12:28 AM

54% of voters in VA voted for someone else to be governor.

That’s hardly a mandate.

Watch now as the media tell us how McAuliffe’s “victory” means Republicans are doomed in VA (and everywhere else) or something.

Moesart on November 6, 2013 at 12:28 AM

I didn’t see this koolaid2. Thanks much. Half way through the first year. It’s the greatest thing that’s ever happened for me.p

smoothsailing on November 6, 2013 at 12:24 AM

…settled me down…was the best thing that happened to me too!…she IS the better half!…
…I know when you first started here…I wasn’t very nice to you that first couple of days…but WE all grow!
…the trolls…not so much!

KOOLAID2 on November 6, 2013 at 12:32 AM

Your reading comprehension is clearly not up to snuff; either that or you’re purposely ignorant of the difference between opposing gay issues and angering gay people. Either way, I’m done arguing with you. You win, well done, Cruz 2016. Good night.

KingGold on November 6, 2013 at 12:25 AM

Opposing homosexual marriage doesn’t offend homosexuals?

Of course it does.

Anyway, I know you’re voting for Jerry Sandusky in 2016.

sentinelrules on November 6, 2013 at 12:34 AM

Ah, dude, you do kind of get that there are innocent victims of incest?
thuja on November 5, 2013 at 11:52 PM

Bigot. There are innocent victims of any type of sex. Why are you singling out incest? Your hatred is disgusting.
blink on November 6, 2013 at 12:26 AM

You have to add the suffix “phobe”, in caps and followed by a lotta !!!s, if you want to convey real PC disgust.
e.g.”INCESTOPHOBE!!!!!!!!! H8TR!!!!”

whatcat on November 6, 2013 at 12:34 AM

Now you’re just lying. Yell you what. If you won’t do anything to get your sockpuppet banned, call me on it. Take the comment I made, “cheer leading” the duck man comment and post it here and then send it to the mods. I’ll ban myself if I said anything, to “Cheerlead” it, liar.

Waiting.

smoothsailing on November 6, 2013 at 12:12 AM

He is lying because the other day he said that Christians shouldn’t talk about faith in public. He wants them to shut up.

njrob on November 6, 2013 at 12:35 AM

Virginia has just elected an empty-headed corporatist crook for governor. The only good thing that has come out of this is that McAuliffe spent $15 million more than Cuccinelli, most of it spent destroying him, brought in the Clintons, Obama, and Biden; and yet only slithered away with a 3-4 point victory and less than 50% of the vote. Certainly not the margin of victory he was looking for. Cuccinelli had a lot going against him, and still almost pulled off the upset. And of course Obama and the Dems will take this as a referendum on ObamaCare and their statist liberal policies. I say let them, the rude awakening will come at a later time.

Yet sadly I have to lay some of this at the feet of Cuccinelli. His hard-line, hard-nosed style seemed to soften a bit in this campaign. And this is what bothers me about some of these Tea Party candidates. He was clearly the superior candidate on policy and experience, and certainly far more intelligent than the dunce McAuliffe; and yet he had to spend most of the campaign defending or avoiding his hard-line, hard-nosed reputation. That reputation may play well with the base, but if you have statewide or national aspirations, that reputation will more often than not turn independents away.

ncconservative on November 6, 2013 at 12:40 AM

KOOLAID2 on November 6, 2013 at 12:32 AM

Nobody gets along all the time. It all good.

smoothsailing on November 6, 2013 at 12:42 AM

smoothsailing on November 6, 2013 at 12:12 AM

He is lying because the other day he said that Christians shouldn’t talk about faith in public. He wants them to shut up.

It wouldn’t surprise me if he was UODuckman and made the comment himself. Whatever duck man is, the liberal shills here never give credit when a conservative calls someone on a comment. Gophergirl beat Panter to the punch for saying it was over the top. You’d think if they are so outraged they’d give a little credit where due. As it is, I think it’s a democrat trolling our treads. Posting stuff they can all repost on their liberal blogs.

smoothsailing on November 6, 2013 at 12:52 AM

Here’s one thing we know. Obama showed up and McAuliffe lost 10 points. Don’t look for the MSM to cover that angle though.

Ronnie on November 6, 2013 at 1:16 AM

Boyd Marcus, the chief of staff for Cantor until 2003—who later teamed with another GOP operative Ray Allen to found the firm Marcus Allen, which Cantor employed until earlier this year—joined the McAuliffe campaign after Lt. Gov. Bill Bolling, with whom Marcus campaigned, did not win the GOP nominee in Virginia.

“I was looking at the candidates, and I saw Terry McAuliffe as the guy who will work with everybody to get things done,” Marcus told the Associated Press in August when he joined McAuliffe’s campaign.

God damn all the RINOs. YOU are worse than the D latrine rats.

2014 will be payback time. YOU will be thrown out on your azzes, more than Pelosi. She will deserve the hammer back. YOU owe the TEA party holding it now, you swine of the world, ingrates one and all.

Schadenfreude on November 6, 2013 at 1:35 AM

. As it is, I think it’s a democrat trolling our treads. Posting stuff they can all repost on their liberal blogs.

smoothsailing on November 6, 2013 at 12:52 AM

That’s my expectation as well.

njrob on November 6, 2013 at 1:47 AM

2014 will be payback time. YOU will be thrown out on your azzes, more than Pelosi. She will deserve the hammer back. YOU owe the TEA party holding it now, you swine of the world, ingrates one and all.

Schadenfreude on November 6, 2013 at 1:35 AM

They don’t care. They are all in it together against the American public. We are mere peons and they are our betters. They deserve to rule us while us sheep should be grateful for the scraps.

I look forward to the day they get their comeuppance.

The way both parties work against the people reminds me of this South Park episode

About Last Night

njrob on November 6, 2013 at 1:53 AM

Well, all the rainbow boyz can dance in the streets — Seattle finally has a qu33r mayor.

And the band played on.

platypus on November 6, 2013 at 2:41 AM

Good grief, another over analyzed vote result by a long winded blogger who likes to hear themselves talk. This is simple. The federal government has grown by leaps and bounds over the last 4.5 years. Way back when I lived in Maryland all of my neighbors were private sector. By the time I left the entire ‘hood was government. Virginia’s residential sector is now consumed with federal workers. Who do you think they’re going to vote for?

Farenht451 on November 6, 2013 at 3:23 AM

Exit polls showed McAuliffe only won women by 9 points. The Washington Post poll last week had put McAuliffe ahead among women by an astonishing 24 points.

This is women beginning to move because of Obamacare. In most households women take care of healthcare. Democrats are doomed if a Republican like Cuccinelli can do this well with women.

kcewa on November 6, 2013 at 4:58 AM

The GOP establishment wants the right to lose to Democrats. The GOP civil war is on.

David Blue on November 6, 2013 at 5:17 AM

ahhhh, the morning joe love fest for christie…don’t think i can stomach it…the gop bashing will be at an all time high…

—————–

Now the LSM will continue to push their favorite, Christie for the the next 2 years and the squishy GOP will comply and then as soon as the election gets into high gear, they’ll turn on christie BIG TIME, focusing their efforts on Hillary…

we’ve seen this time and again…these idiots squishes fall for it EVERY TIME…

I’d rather go down fighting with a true conservative then a dem-lite nominee that the left pushes on us…

cmsinaz on November 6, 2013 at 5:26 AM

Ronnie on November 6, 2013 at 1:16 AM

good point

they’re giddy thats for sure

no whining virginia, you wanted this idiot, you got him

cmsinaz on November 6, 2013 at 5:27 AM

As I said last night:

Cuccinelli convinced the R Party Honchos that he didn’t need to be in a primary.

Here is a big hint: whenever a candidate says they don’t need to be in a primary, they need to be in a primary.

Cuccinelli would have benefited greatly by a primary by getting organized State-wide for it and getting an actual message together.

Primaries are NOT just about getting good people in: they are also a sanity check and means to find out who are weak campaigners.

It felt like the NRA suddenly lit a fire under his butt two weeks ago with THEIR mass callings. That is when the D’s had to really ramp up their slander campaigns because an effective group had finally gotten involved. The NRA should not be the one to be pointing out that to campaign for office one must, indeed, CAMPAIGN FOR OFFICE.

ajacksonian on November 5, 2013 at 7:26 PM

It wasn’t just the relatively lackluster GOP funding, but also having a candidate who believed he didn’t need deeper exposure via a primary. A primary is not a ‘waste of money’ as a strong candidate will use it as an opportunity to tune up a campaign and shine over an opponent and a weak one will have flaws in their organization pointed out to them.

Cuccinelli in going to the GOP Establishment and saying that he didn’t need to be primaried never got a chance to see just what sort of organization he actually had nor to get wider positions out into the districts and precincts of the State. He left himself wide-open for attacks that he couldn’t respond to because he had not campaign that knew how to respond to such attacks or ANY attacks in a campaign for Governor. Winning prior State-wide office is nice, yes, but when you are upping your game you need to actually up your game and campaign FOR that office, point out your RECORD of achievement and learn how to counter attacks against you.

All of the blame cannot be laid at the feet of the GOP Establishment and a good amount must also fall on a candidate who thought he could coast to a victory by not doing very much at all when the opposition was flooding vast amounts of money and ads into the State to which it is necessary and vital to respond. Once the NRA showed up and lit fires under the butts of candidates did any actual OUTREACH to voters start… you know the ‘getting meetings together and talking about common issues’ sort of thing? The few ads that the Cuccinelli campaign ran were so long ago that they had been drowned out by the local media buys of the DNC. Where was the shoe leather campaigning by the Republicans? And not just in the Governor’s race but in local races, as well? There are ways to campaign that don’t cost a lot and can be done at a lower level to help undermine large air media buys, but they have to be DONE to be effective. And a lower level primary would have established those links long months before the fall campaign.

Did the GOP fail to show up State-wide? Yes.

So did its State-wide candidates who showed they weren’t prepared to run a campaign at that level. Those suckers needed to be primaried for the reasons I stated above. Failure to do so leaves flaws unexposed and leaves the name of the candidate UNKNOWN in many areas to the point where some of the first real mention comes from the OPPONENTS. This anti-primary mindset must change for the GOP or they will continue to be the second-rate, also-ran party. Soon they will be the extinct party mentioned in history books because they feared internal vitality and upheaval of the old order in preference to going quietly into that good night.

ajacksonian on November 6, 2013 at 5:28 AM

msdnc hacks are calling mcauliffe a moderate
PUHLEEZE

cmsinaz on November 6, 2013 at 5:32 AM

cmsinaz on November 6, 2013 at 5:32 AM

When you’re as off-the-charts lefty as they are, maybe McAuliffe looks moderate.

DrMagnolias on November 6, 2013 at 5:54 AM

BY the way, the local republican gains that happened in 2009 easily held in 2013, thought that might be of interest.

rob verdi on November 6, 2013 at 5:57 AM

DrMagnolias on November 6, 2013 at 5:54 AM

lol…good point :)

cmsinaz on November 6, 2013 at 5:57 AM

rob verdi on November 6, 2013 at 5:57 AM

good to know…
so with a GOP legislature, will mcauliffe be able to pass any of his left wing policies?

cmsinaz on November 6, 2013 at 5:58 AM

isn’t it funny how the lsm thinks the GOP always have EXTREME positions and the DEMS are just spot on in their positions…

cmsinaz on November 6, 2013 at 6:07 AM

EXTREME is the word of the day on MJ…

cmsinaz on November 6, 2013 at 6:08 AM

VA sold its soul to the big government corruption machine .

TX-96 on November 6, 2013 at 6:14 AM

rob verdi on November 6, 2013 at 5:57 AM

good to know…
so with a GOP legislature, will mcauliffe be able to pass any of his left wing policies?

cmsinaz on November 6, 2013 at 5:58 AM

He will offer legislation and policies that will help the Democrat have an issue to rally around in 2016. If it doesn’t pass the nominee gets a talking point, if it does, the same applies.

rob verdi on November 6, 2013 at 6:16 AM

rob verdi on November 6, 2013 at 6:16 AM

gotcha

cmsinaz on November 6, 2013 at 6:18 AM

I still wonder why Cucinelli didn’t bring in Palin. Have Palin and Tea Party hold rallies in Tidewater, Southside, and western VA and Cucineli wins.

He was already painted as far right and Tea Party, so why not embrace it instead of hiding from it. Plus the national Republican Party stiffed him, so he should have “gone rogue”. Getting within 3 points is still a loss. Go big or go home. Cucinelli is going home!

huckleberryfriend on November 6, 2013 at 6:23 AM

so msdnc is now calling christie the head of the GOP now…

it begins…

cmsinaz on November 6, 2013 at 6:38 AM

Reading this thread drives me crazy. This group couldn’t find its azz with both hands. We don’t deserve to win, just pay. That’s our lot in life, to work and pay for running this country. Not just the constitutionally required payments, but the fun stuff that keeps Democrats in power.

Cindy Munford on November 6, 2013 at 6:44 AM

Last time I checked Christie was against homosexual marriage.

sentinelrules on November 6, 2013 at 12:20 AM

There’s a difference between being against gay marriage and comparing homosexuality to incest or beastiality or enforcing anti-sodomy statutes.

There’s a difference between being Pro-Life and requiring trans vaginal ultrasounds for rape and incest victims to get first trimester abortions (and saying women can’t get pregnant from rape).

You can win if you oppose gay marriage or abortion. You can’t win if you oppose women and gays.

Taking a super hard ultra social conservative line IN PUBLIC ON THE RECORD can be used against a candidate ad infinitum as M did against C here. Even though C was by far the superior candidate, he lost because of his extreme and public actions on these issues (and the third party candidate) And if Obama had campaigned for M just a little longer, C might still have pulled it out.

talkingpoints on November 6, 2013 at 6:44 AM

huckleberryfriend on November 6, 2013 at 6:23 AM

It wouldn’t have helped. The stories of his wanting to end abortion and ban contraceptives was taking hold. Even amongst Republicans it was whispered that he was too stringent. The sour grapes were strong in the state. The only thing that got him as close as he got was Obamacare. He probably should have rolled out gun control in the final days. So now we get to see if all these Republicans that openly supported the Democrat are going to work with him.

Cindy Munford on November 6, 2013 at 6:49 AM

rob verdi on November 6, 2013 at 6:16 AM

I’m in one of the districts waiting for a precinct to still report out and the R candidate has just a hair over 200 person lead. I think he can pull it out as the precinct will split and won’t have enough voters to make much of a dent there.

I’ve watched a couple of neighboring districts and there the R candidates were attacked, often viciously, and are likewise pulling out slim margins of victory.

The amount the DNC poured into Delegate races is obscene and the amount of shoe leather expended by their parties pointed to an attempt at a ‘grass roots’ deal. I’m in a district where its Blue on the East and Red in the West, and while the D’s spent a lot of time in the more populous Eastern parts, they got trounced in the West, thus offering a slim margin in the end.

The problem in VA is that it has not suffered a housing meltdown like the rest of the Nation and, here in NoVA, the expansion of the federal government means an expansion in D votes beyond their old inside the beltway environs. Part of advocacy for smaller government is to see these unsustainable jobs go away, for the last of the housing bubble to collapse and a re-alignment away from government-centric views. It is these old suburbs slowly being engulfed by federal employees that are doing their best to hold against this tide at the local level.

You will not get sane politics in VA until the federal government is brought down to the ground and that can either happen in a nice way, with Tea Partiers dismantling the large structures slowly, and letting States and citizens pick up the slack, or the nasty way with an imploded dollar, hyper-inflation and the collapse of society. If its the latter then such places as where I’m at become the thin line of civilization as those who were once dependent upon government find out they will starve due to the policies of it. What is being done is intentional and if they think pain is such a great idea for others, then it also needs to be applied to the very things that will cause it. I do wish my fellow citizens would realize they are citizens and see that this path of ever more government leads only to evil ends. I’m here to remind them at this fringe of what might be civilization that it is worth being free, even when poor, for it beats the hell out of the alternative of serving a master with no say in your life at all. The demographic fight is at those Interstate Bypasses where the Statists wish to expand cities beyond bounds of reason and those who seek their piece of a decent life are threatened by encroaching government.

Luckily we now have Obamacare to show the futility of such centralization and now is the time to pound that message home. McAuliffe, et. al. wish to hitch their wagon to a falling star and they seem to think that victory now is victory forever, while not even thinking that it could be winning a small battle in a losing cause.

ajacksonian on November 6, 2013 at 7:02 AM

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