Open thread: Christiepalooza; Update: Christie wins; Update: Exit polls added

posted at 7:21 pm on November 5, 2013 by Allahpundit

It hath been prophesied by lesser RINOs before him that there shall arise in the northeast a RINO messiah, who shall smite the true conservatives and lay waste the jerky progressives across the land. Tonight’s the night: No matter how big or small Christie’s victory is, this’ll be the springboard for centrists to argue that any guy who can turn an Obama landslide last year in a deeply Democratic state into a Republican landslide 12 months later is a guy worth rolling the dice on nationally. Just like in football, though, the only way to make a game interesting when the winner’s a foregone conclusion is to focus on the spread. What’s the difference between winning big, winning huge, and “let’s nominate the man already, dammit” victory?

RCP elections expert Sean Trende notes that only three Republicans in the last 60 years have outperformed Christie’s poll-average lead of 26 points in New Jersey, and none of those three were elected within the past 25 years. Jersey is more Democratic today, Republicans are less popular in Democratic enclaves than they used to be, and Christie is more conservative than any of his three predecessors were — and yet he’s still looking at a margin so huge, he might actually get to 60 percent of the vote. (As Christie himself is quick to note, not since 1988 has a Republican running in a statewide election cracked 50 percent.) That’s the magic number tonight for true Christie-fan triumphalism, I think. Any landslide will be touted as proof that he’s the One True RINO sent to deliver mankind from evil, but north of 60 percent will have the commentariat breathing into paper bags.

The big subplot: How well will he do with minorities? He’s winning more than 30 percent of black voters in some polls, thanks in part to his passionate support for school choice, and more than 40 percent of Latinos. This is his big selling point with the party nationally, which is why he spent so much effort over the past few months wooing minority constituents. It’s not just winning a landslide in a blue state that supposedly makes him electable in 2016, it’s winning significant segments of core Democratic groups in the process. A fun anecdote from BuzzFeed’s piece about that today:

Standing toward the back of the rally in Union City, a thin, bespectacled man wearing a tan-colored fedora and a brown overcoat tapped his cain on the ground to the rhythm of the music. He introduced himself as Señor Abreu, a 91-year-old Dominican immigrant who had been living in the U.S. for 31 years and long ago became a citizen. He said he had only ever voted for Democrats, but described Christie as a “a good man who works hard for his people… I hope he wins.”

Asked how he felt about casting his first vote for a Republican, Abreu looked confused at first, and then shook his head insistently. “No es Republicano. Es Democrata.”

Lots of tea partiers are reading that right now, thinking “Sí.” Christie’s eager to rebut the charge, telling Jake Tapper today (watch below) that he’s a conservative and, unlike unnamed others, hasn’t sought to hide it. Is that right? Read this incomplete but useful checklist of issues on which he’s tiptoed away from conservative orthodoxy. Now that he’s safely reelected, he needs to decide whether to try to rebuild some credibility on the right or, in the name of winning centrists in the general election, go full RINO for the next two years and hope that Republicans are hungry enough to win that they’ll forgive him everything and nominate him anyway. I think he’s gone too far already on gun control to backtrack on that and he’s not going to change course on immigration for fear of alienating Latinos, but maybe there’s still some pandering to the right to be had on social issues. Christie remains pro-life and opposed to gay marriage, but signing a bill that banned “conversion therapy” for gay kids and dropping an appeal of the state supreme court’s gay-marriage ruling that he was going to lose anyway mean he’s in danger of failing a social-con litmus test. Too bad, says Ramesh Ponnuru:

Cuccinelli may have hesitated because polls have shown him losing a significant number of votes to a third-party candidate running as a pro-choice libertarian. But even a lot of libertarian-leaning Republicans are willing to vote for pro-life candidates, as McDonnell’s landslide proved.

Socially conservative positions on hot-button issues don’t seem to be a deal-breaker even for the much more liberal voters of New Jersey. Christie has vetoed legislation to grant state recognition to same-sex marriage — a judge later ordered it, though Christie briefly appealed — and vetoed bills to fund Planned Parenthood five times.

He does not, however, seem obsessed by social issues: Democrats haven’t gotten much mileage out of ads saying that his priorities are different from those of voters, as they have against Cuccinelli. Christie has also avoided taking unpopular socially conservative stands on issues that aren’t live debates, and taken the occasional opportunity to soften his profile.

The contrast with Cuccinelli’s results tonight is the other talking point waiting to happen tomorrow, needless to say. I’ve heard some grassroots righties accuse establishment Republicans of outright rooting for Terry McAuliffe to win so that they can draw a contrast between Christie’s centrist landslide in Jersey with Cooch’s tea-party flameout in a much more purple state. I don’t think they’re rooting for victory — it’s always better to hold power in a state than not — but they’ll take a tea-party fizzle in Virginia as a consolation prize because it helps them make the case for 2016 that centrism, yet again, is the only way to go. Cuccinelli’s the first true-con smited in the Christie “RINO messiah” narrative.

The polls close at 8 p.m. ET. The race will be called quickly, needless to say, so all the suspense is in the final margin and the demographic breakdown in the exit polls. You can follow county-by-county results on the NYT’s elections page. Stand by for updates below. Exit question: Christie/Martinez 2016?

Update: First exit poll results are coming in at 5:30 ET. New Jersey’s blue enough that Obama’s still above water there — barely.

Update: Emphasis on “in New Jersey,” no doubt:

Update: A succinct summation from John Dickerson of why conservatives find Christie suspicious. It’s not just his heresies on various issues, it’s that he has the “wrong friends” in the donor class and the media. And this: “The overarching worry among conservatives will be that no matter what the issue, a man who makes such a fetish of his ability to work with Democrats is going to sell out conservatives in the end.”

Update: As expected, the networks call it for Christie promptly at 8 p.m. Now we wait for the margin and the exit polls.

Update: Both the NYT and CNN have exit poll data from New Jersey. You’ll notice their numbers don’t match: CNN has Christie winning 45 percent of Latinos, which is in line with his polling, while the Times has him winning just 31 percent. The reason for the discrepancy is that exits get adjusted over the course of election night as new data comes in. One of them has outdated numbers although it’s not clear which. It’ll be a few hours before we have more solid information. The NYT data does, however, have him in the ballpark of the magic 60 percent mark overall. And CNN has him winning 56 percent of women and more than 20 percent of black voters. Impressive if that’s what the final data looks like.

Update: A pithy counterargument:

Update: And a counter to the counter:

Update: How many points was Christie’s handling of the Sandy aftermath worth to him? Eight? Ten? Not only did it build support for him locally but, as Noah Glyn says, it probably discouraged more formidable Democrats from challenging him. This is the easiest (and soundest) way to discredit tonight’s victory if you’re a Christie-hater, I think: It’s impressive, but it’s based on a fluke. Everyone loved Giuliani after 9/11 too, and then he tried to parlay it into a national candidacy and it went nowhere. Christie will do better than Rudy for various reasons but he risks running into the same problem of mistaking goodwill derived from solid crisis management for broad-based national support.

Update: The NYT’s exit poll data has now been updated and it’s much more in line with CNN’s numbers. Christie’s winning 48 percent of Latinos and 20 percent of blacks now, both double-digit increases from how he did in 2009. He’s also winning … 31 percent of Democrats. If the Times’s numbers hold, he should fall just shy of 60 percent.

Update: Given how many HA readers dislike him, I don’t know whether to post the Humpbot video or the melting bunny. Maybe this one as a compromise?

Update: Good catch, and support for Ponnuru’s thesis up top:

It’s been 45 minutes since the exit polls updated but I doubt we’ll see any dramatic changes at this point. Christie will have the margins he wanted among minorities. The 2016 campaign begins tomorrow.


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Rad Paul is smart.

Caustic Conservative on November 5, 2013 at 7:28 PM

Right after the polls close Christie says he is “a conservative”. LOL

Wigglesworth on November 5, 2013 at 7:28 PM

We all know what’s going to happen. Virginia nominated a True Conservative ™ and is sire to win. New Jersey nominated a RINO squish who is sure to lose.

Remember EVERY time we nominate a True Conservative, we win. Every time we nominate a squish, we lose.

FranklinBluth on November 5, 2013 at 7:28 PM

Well, polls aren’t closed, but almost there.

Wigglesworth on November 5, 2013 at 7:29 PM

New Jersey voters like Christie because they (rightfully) see him as a supporter of Obama.

That’s not something to brag about.

Republican primary voters ough to reject pro-amnesty Christie, who would lose to Hillary in a general election matchup.

bluegill on November 5, 2013 at 7:31 PM

I love whale watching.

msupertas on November 5, 2013 at 7:31 PM

I just hope he can win enough moderates, and democrats to offset the conservatives and true libertarians who won’t vote for his statist a$$.

SAMinVA on November 5, 2013 at 7:32 PM

Remember EVERY time we nominate a True Conservative, we win. Every time we nominate a squish, we lose.

FranklinBluth on November 5, 2013 at 7:28 PM

RNC spent only 1/3 on VA compared to 2009.

The RNC / NRSC not supporting candidates and using donor money to enrich themselves is getting old.

tetriskid on November 5, 2013 at 7:32 PM

If it were Fatman or Romney in 2012, y’all would have clamoured for Fatman.

lorien1973 on November 5, 2013 at 7:33 PM

I think I’ll pass on the fatboy lovefest.

wolly4321 on November 5, 2013 at 7:33 PM

Now that he’s safely reelected, he needs to decide whether to try to rebuild some credibility on the right or

That’s not possible.

I don’t mean that as a character shot, either.

There’s nothing Christie can do as Governor of Jersey to make national amends.

Even if he went full-out with legislation, all it’s going to signal is he’s an opportunist and would play the patronize game nationally.

He’s done. His only chance is to go indie and create a new coalition of Blue Dogs and Rinos.

Then, and only then, can he get the right’s respect back.

budfox on November 5, 2013 at 7:34 PM

FranklinBluth on November 5, 2013 at 7:28 PM

President McCain and President Romney agree!

mankai on November 5, 2013 at 7:34 PM

Exit poll in NJ: Who would you vote for President in 2016?

Hillary Clinton: 49%

Chris Christie: 43%

Resist We Much on November 5, 2013 at 7:35 PM

Asked how he felt about casting his first vote for a Republican, Abreu looked confused at first, and then shook his head insistently. “No es Republicano. Es Democrata.

Quién gives a damn? If Hector Salamanca votes for Christie because he thinks he’s a spaceman from the planet Zoon, he’s still voting for him.

“Low information voters” works both ways, folks. Winning elections is what matters, because only the winners get to set policy.

KingGold on November 5, 2013 at 7:35 PM

GOP best not come up with another McCain-Romney liberal this time…

Karmi on November 5, 2013 at 7:36 PM

I smell troll.

davidk on November 5, 2013 at 7:36 PM

Everytime a candidate like Christie wins, an angel loses their wings.

BettyRuth on November 5, 2013 at 7:37 PM

I don’t get the appeal. He’s kind of mean to people.

terryannonline on November 5, 2013 at 7:38 PM

It hath been prophesied by lesser RINOs before him that there shall arise in the northeast a RINO messiah, who shall smite the true conservatives and lay waste the jerky progressives across the land. Tonight’s the night.

Even RINOs can have fun…for a night.

Schadenfreude on November 5, 2013 at 7:39 PM

Exit poll in NJ: Who would you vote for President in 2016?

Hillary Clinton: 49%

Chris Christie: 43%

Resist We Much on November 5, 2013 at 7:35 PM

Lol.

tetriskid on November 5, 2013 at 7:40 PM

I think he’s gone too far already on gun control to backtrack on that and he’s not going to change course on immigration for fear of alienating Latinos, but maybe there’s still some pandering to the right to be had on social issues

I think he’ll say something to the effect that he wants stricter control as the government goes down while the federal government has next to no involvement. That is the answer I expect of him. It wouldnt be bad either.

I would definetely vote for him over any dem though. He isnt a wacko like a Huckabee or a snake like Romney which made me not vote for him. He has conviction at least. Hell. Maybe he gets PA if he is the candidate.

I’m a Rubio guy though. I know he is liberal in immigration but you arent going to get everything. I learned in 2012.

Flapjackmaka on November 5, 2013 at 7:40 PM

If it were Fatman or Romney in 2012, y’all would have clamoured for Fatman.

lorien1973 on November 5, 2013 at 7:33 PM

RINO light

RINO heavy

You should post more often. It’s always more fun.

Schadenfreude on November 5, 2013 at 7:40 PM

Exit question: Christie/Martinez 2016?

Reverse the ticket, then yeah, maybe.

Of course, I’ll take Susana Martinez/[anyone not certifiably insane] for 2016 any day. She’s a fantastic politician, a good conservative (she doesn’t pass every litmus test, but nobody does) and would be a fantastic choice to defang the identity politics-obsessed media.

Any politician who’s pulling approval in the 70′s as a pro-life anti-amnesty politician in a Hispanic-majority state is someone to watch for sure.

KingGold on November 5, 2013 at 7:41 PM

Exit poll in NJ: Who would you vote for President in 2016?

Hillary Clinton: 49%

Chris Christie: 43%

Resist We Much on November 5, 2013 at 7:35 PM

Clinton/Christie – 92%

Schadenfreude on November 5, 2013 at 7:42 PM

So once he wins, can we agree to split the nation?

nobar on November 5, 2013 at 7:42 PM

If Christie gets the nomination…..he will have destroyed the primary opponents and then will fold like all good RINOs do when facing the real Progressive in the Democrat party.

Hillary / McAwful 2016

Cankles and the Crook, doin it dirty in the Oval…….doin it to the Serfs that is.

PappyD61 on November 5, 2013 at 7:43 PM

…QOTD already?
…oh!

KOOLAID2 on November 5, 2013 at 7:43 PM

Exit poll in NJ: Who would you vote for President in 2016?

Hillary Clinton: 49%

Chris Christie: 43%

Resist We Much on November 5, 2013 at 7:35 PM

Thanks. I saw that on FOX earlier, but I couldn’t remember the numbers.

Another guy who is 99.99% unlikely to carry his own state thinks he should be president.

INC on November 5, 2013 at 7:44 PM

Just for the nonce

CUCCINELLI 52.38%
MCAULIFFE 39.97%

Drudge is having some fun too

Schadenfreude on November 5, 2013 at 7:44 PM

It’s going to be Christie 24/7 after tonight isn’t it.

BARF!

gophergirl on November 5, 2013 at 7:45 PM

GALLUP: OBAMA FALLS TO 30S…

LOWER THAN W…

Obama denies health care comments…

“Eh, heh, heh, Brownie, who’d have thought that you’re dumber than I was assumed to be” — Bushchimpey

Schadenfreude on November 5, 2013 at 7:45 PM

By the way, Allah, my condolences on your mayor’s race.

It’s not often you get to live under the rule of an outright Communist, but I hope you can survive four years of Fidel de Blasio.

KingGold on November 5, 2013 at 7:45 PM

Reverse the ticket, then yeah, maybe.

I think for winning any of it would be good. Though Christie has much more recognition which I think would help. If he chooses Martinez who is anti-amnesty I think that would balance greatly. I’m very optimistic for 2016 especially with Rubio who can speak Spanish. I imagine Martinez as well?

Flapjackmaka on November 5, 2013 at 7:46 PM

By the way, Allah, my condolences on your mayor’s race.

It’s not often you get to live under the rule of an outright Communist, but I hope you can survive four years of Fidel de Blasio.

KingGold on November 5, 2013 at 7:45 PM

How can a city smart enough to elect Rudy be dumb enough to elect this guy.

I’m glad I got to see NY before it turned back into a crime ridden hell hole. Have no desire to spend a dime there now.

gophergirl on November 5, 2013 at 7:47 PM

If conservatives unify, then Christie can’t win the nomination. Otherwise, look forward to the same old dance.

Robert_Paulson on November 5, 2013 at 7:47 PM

I’m very optimistic for 2016 especially with Rubio who can speak Spanish. I imagine Martinez as well?

Flapjackmaka on November 5, 2013 at 7:46 PM

Yes. She can. A ticket with both of them… I can only dream a dream.

KingGold on November 5, 2013 at 7:47 PM

Another guy who is 99.99% unlikely to carry his own state thinks he should be president.

INC on November 5, 2013 at 7:44 PM

Give more credit to Christie here. Hillary hasnt needed to campaign. Her numbers arent down to earth because she has some myths surrounding her that would be dispelled in a campaign. Christie being within 6% is HUGE

Flapjackmaka on November 5, 2013 at 7:48 PM

How the US gov’t spied on Petraeus’ wife and their e-mails and what made him resign.

The swine
Should have shown a spine

…and exposed obama and his goons, ahead of the 2012 election, alas.

He’s a RINO.

Schadenfreude on November 5, 2013 at 7:48 PM

Christie: “I’m a CON-servative.”

Pork-Chop on November 5, 2013 at 7:48 PM

I’m very optimistic for 2016 especially with Rubio who can speak Spanish. I imagine Martinez as well?

Flapjackmaka on November 5, 2013 at 7:46 PM
Yes. She can. A ticket with both of them… I can only dream a dream.

KingGold on November 5, 2013 at 7:47 PM

Rubio would be a candidate I would actually be excited to vote for!

terryannonline on November 5, 2013 at 7:49 PM

It’s not often you get to live under the rule of an outright Communist, but I hope you can survive four eight twelve years of Fidel de Blasio.

KingGold on November 5, 2013 at 7:45 PM

Fixed myself.

It’s New York after all; short of burning down the city or pulling a David Dinkins and encouraging racial pogroms, this guy will have the job as long as he wants it.

KingGold on November 5, 2013 at 7:50 PM

Wait, that was not Petraeus wife..but rather the other woman.

Still, he was an utter weasel for not exposing obama.

Rubio would be a candidate I would actually be excited to vote for!

terryannonline on November 5, 2013 at 7:49 PM

We know. You can suffer now, or later, like the good but unrealistic Palin-kids of HA.

Schadenfreude on November 5, 2013 at 7:51 PM

Rubio lied, like obama.

Schadenfreude on November 5, 2013 at 7:51 PM

Rand Paul on CNN: “The Republican Party is a big party and we need moderates like Christie Christie who can win in NJ in our party”

I agree with Rand, but I certainly dont wanna make people like that the standard-bearer of the Republican Party.

Valkyriepundit on November 5, 2013 at 7:51 PM

There are things that I certainly appreciate about Chris Christie and times when I find his spirit entertaining. I don’t so much want him as the 2016 nominee and after the excerpt of Double Down, it seems like nobody should want him for 2016.

myrenovations on November 5, 2013 at 7:52 PM

I’m very optimistic for 2016 especially with Rubio who can speak Spanish. I imagine Martinez as well?

Flapjackmaka on November 5, 2013 at 7:46 PM

Cruz speaks Spanish.

His wife speaks Spanish and French.

They both speak very good English too.

They also mean what they say, contrary to Rubio and obama (the latter doesn’t speak anything but thinks Austrian is a language).

Schadenfreude on November 5, 2013 at 7:52 PM

I can only dream a dream.

KingGold on November 5, 2013 at 7:47 PM

It’d be really nice. I forgot about Martinez. As long as Christie sticks to fiscal stuff, he’d be a great president.

Flapjackmaka on November 5, 2013 at 7:54 PM

I agree with Rand, but I certainly dont wanna make people like that the standard-bearer of the Republican Party.

Valkyriepundit on November 5, 2013 at 7:51 PM

Yep ditto.

gophergirl on November 5, 2013 at 7:54 PM

things that make you go hmmmmm

TONIGHT: RESULTS…
VA Precincts Reporting: 20%…

CUCCINELLI 52.38%
MCAULIFFE 39.97%

Aggie95 on November 5, 2013 at 7:54 PM

AP, update, update – Christie is NO longer a moderate. Your entire premise is dead :)

Schadenfreude on November 5, 2013 at 7:54 PM

At least Christie is not a “sever conservative”, yet.

Schadenfreude on November 5, 2013 at 7:55 PM

They also mean what they say, contrary to Rubio and obama (the latter doesn’t speak anything but thinks Austrian is a language).

Schadenfreude on November 5, 2013 at 7:52 PM

I think Cruz is great. Good senator, speaks well with conviction and can be a great voice going forward. But he was basically just elected and I dont want to stamp on to that. What we seriously need to do is message minorities and Martinez/Christie/Rubio are best to do it.

Flapjackmaka on November 5, 2013 at 7:55 PM

Cruz speaks Spanish.

Cruz has said he speaks lousy Spanish.

terryannonline on November 5, 2013 at 7:57 PM

Republican primary voters ough to reject pro-amnesty Christie, who would lose to Hillary in a general election matchup.

bluegill on November 5, 2013 at 7:31 PM

“oh my God, Romney is amazingly conservative” – bluegill

Take amnesty or leave it. I dont think it’ll be Christie’s main schtick if he runs.

Flapjackmaka on November 5, 2013 at 7:57 PM

I smell troll.

davidk on November 5, 2013 at 7:36 PM

….your sense of smell… is immaculate!

KOOLAID2 on November 5, 2013 at 7:59 PM

What we seriously need to do is message minorities and Martinez/Christie/Rubio are best to do it.

Flapjackmaka on November 5, 2013 at 7:55 PM

The Rs don’t have to assume, like the Ds do, that minorities are stupid. Most Rs who are minorities w/b insulted by your statement.

The land is catapulting toward the abyss. It won’t matter what hue or background people have.

2014 will wake all of you up, from the left to the right. It is futile to gab about 2016.

2014 will be a fun year. May all the weasels be sent back to their homes, made to live like the folks who toil to keep their regal lives funded, while the impertinents spit at them.

Rubio is a liar, and is cooked. That toothpaste will never go back.

Martinez has her own big challenges in NN and will focus on them.

Christie might run with Hillary.

Schadenfreude on November 5, 2013 at 8:01 PM

Cruz has said he speaks lousy Spanish.

terryannonline on November 5, 2013 at 7:57 PM

What’s more, the guy he beat, David Dewhurst, is a fluent speaker – so much so that he challenged Cruz to a Spanish-language debate and Cruz declined.

Also, not to pile on, but Cruz has a serious problem brewing in the form of his own father, who’s rapidly approaching Reverend Wright territory with some of the things he’s saying. He’s not there yet, but he’s damn close. Birtherism, saying it’s time to send Obama “back to Kenya” – that’s not good stuff for a national candidate.

KingGold on November 5, 2013 at 8:01 PM

Christie actually used to be a true conservative … until his 30th Springsteen concert. The Boss and the second-hand weed smoke finally got to him.

TXUS on November 5, 2013 at 8:01 PM

Rubio and Christie would be two great candidates. We just have to watch out for the Jon Huntsmans who try to leak dirty lies or people who are there just to attack each other.

Flapjackmaka on November 5, 2013 at 8:02 PM

Since my commonwealth is likely going down in flames, I’m just going to enjoy watching a prog get slaughtered in NJ.

crrr6 on November 5, 2013 at 8:02 PM

He is anti-gun. I will never vote for him, and I suspect many here in Kentucky will not either.

Johnnyreb on November 5, 2013 at 8:02 PM

Cruz has said he speaks lousy Spanish.

terryannonline on November 5, 2013 at 7:57 PM

Still better than your English. I didn’t say what kind of Spanish he speaks, and it doesn’t matter.

Most US presidents still speak English, unless they speak Bushistic or run teleprompters.

Schadenfreude on November 5, 2013 at 8:03 PM

Latest Virginia governor exit poll shows electorate as self-described 38% Democrat; 31% GOP and 31% Independent – @BetsyNBC

davidk on November 5, 2013 at 8:03 PM

Christie and Martinez on the national ticket?

Great idea: one is running an Obamacare exchange, the other is expanding Medicaid. Willard wasnt able to slam Obamacare effectively in 2012 because he had that kind of baggage and there are actually people around who wanna repeat that experience?

Valkyriepundit on November 5, 2013 at 8:04 PM

Rubio and Christie would be two great candidates. We just have to watch out for the Jon Huntsmans who try to leak dirty lies or people who are there just to attack each other.

Flapjackmaka on November 5, 2013 at 8:02 PM

Halperin’s new book and the dossier the Mitt-thugs gave to him will kill him off, slowly, day by day. There’s a link about it but I don’t care.

Schadenfreude on November 5, 2013 at 8:04 PM

He is anti-gun. I will never vote for him, and I suspect many here in Kentucky will not either.

Johnnyreb on November 5, 2013 at 8:02 PM

So was Romney but I bet you voted for him. If Christie says he wont do shit at the position of guns if president, I’ll vote for him. I care about winning and getting something

Flapjackmaka on November 5, 2013 at 8:06 PM

I will not vote for Christie.

If obama gets the Constitution changed and runs for a third term and his GOP opponent is Christie, I will not vote for Christie.

davidk on November 5, 2013 at 8:06 PM

“The overarching worry among conservatives will be that no matter what the issue, a man who makes such a fetish of his ability to work with Democrats is going to sell out conservatives in the end.”

This is exactly the problem. It wouldn’t be so bad if you could trust GOP leadership in House to keep him in check. But you can’t.

Mark1971 on November 5, 2013 at 8:07 PM

Maybe I’m confused but, if a politician gets a heap of love (votes) from Democrats, doesn’t that make him a Democrat?

For Kristie Kreme to claim he’s a Republican, isn’t that sort of like someone saying, “I’m a vegetarian; I just eat meat.”

IndieDogg on November 5, 2013 at 8:07 PM

KingGold on November 5, 2013 at 8:01 PM

You guys are such fools. Since when do debates in the US have to be held in Spanish? Wow, who’d have thunk? Btw, I’d understand them just fine, but English is still understood by the majority of the people in the US. God, how low you stoop, like the leftists.

Also, while you were at it, hey, he was born in Canada. This part is the most amazing/amusing. I can’t wait for it to be front/center, by the right. Thanks for the chuckles.

Schadenfreude on November 5, 2013 at 8:08 PM

Great idea: one is running an Obamacare exchange, the other is expanding Medicaid. Willard wasnt able to slam Obamacare effectively in 2012 because he had that kind of baggage and there are actually people around who wanna repeat that experience?

Valkyriepundit on November 5, 2013 at 8:04 PM

There was no benefit for him to go against the ONE’s wishes. He let the exchange go but I bet even he see’s Obamacare as an abject failure in of itself. I dont know much about Martinez but she’s fine by me. What do you suggest? Cruz?

Flapjackmaka on November 5, 2013 at 8:09 PM

Exit question: Christie/Martinez 2016?

Christie wants a repeat of 2008? Fine. He can lose by the same margin McDumbass lost to.

nobar on November 5, 2013 at 8:09 PM

I also smell moby.

davidk on November 5, 2013 at 8:09 PM

Maybe I’m confused but, if a politician gets a heap of love (votes) from Democrats, doesn’t that make him a Democrat?

IndieDogg on November 5, 2013 at 8:07 PM

He’s getting a higher percentage of Republicans and Independents than he is Democrats – does that matter at all, or is a politician who’s competent enough to persuade more than a handful of the other party’s guys to vote for him automatically disqualified in your eyes?

KingGold on November 5, 2013 at 8:10 PM

Rubio and Christie would be two great candidates. We just have to watch out for the Jon Huntsmans who try to leak dirty lies or people who are there just to attack each other.

Flapjackmaka on November 5, 2013 at 8:02 PM

Halperin’s new book and the dossier the Mitt-thugs gave to him will kill him off, slowly, day by day. There’s a link about it but I don’t care.

Schadenfreude on November 5, 2013 at 8:04 PM

That book has a lot of dirt on Christie, too.

Resist We Much on November 5, 2013 at 8:10 PM

He is anti-gun. I will never vote for him, and I suspect many here in Kentucky will not either.

Johnnyreb on November 5, 2013 at 8:02 PM

He has just enabled illegal alien tuitions, as cheap as for anyone else. He is a traitor on amnesty.

He appointed very controversial Islamist judges. He is anti-gun, as you say. He was against the gay marriage and is now for it…hard to say…he might “if” that one, after the election, just like obama on his “if you like your plan/doctor…”

He smooched with obama, seconds before the election, and laughed his azz off, er not, during the election/after.

Taxes are the highest in NJ. He’s excellent for Hillary’s running mate.

Schadenfreude on November 5, 2013 at 8:11 PM

Hot D*mn, two open threads!

canopfor on November 5, 2013 at 8:12 PM

Mike O’Brien ‏@mpoindc 17s

According to third wave exits in NJ, Christie won women by 12% and *split* the Hispanic vote against Democrat Barbara Buono.
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canopfor on November 5, 2013 at 8:12 PM

He’s getting a higher percentage of Republicans and Independents than he is Democrats – does that matter at all, or is a politician who’s competent enough to persuade more than a handful of the other party’s guys to vote for him automatically disqualified in your eyes?

KingGold on November 5, 2013 at 8:10 PM

True that. Reagan won by attracting Dems. We need to rid the Democrat’s stranglehold on minorities soon.

Flapjackmaka on November 5, 2013 at 8:12 PM

Schadenfreude on November 5, 2013 at 8:08 PM

So, to recap:

Schaden: “Cruz speaks Spanish!”

Other posters: “Not fluently, no.”

Schaden: “Who cares! This is ‘Murika! We speak English here, Pablo!”

KingGold on November 5, 2013 at 8:13 PM

That book has a lot of dirt on Christie, too.

Resist We Much on November 5, 2013 at 8:10 PM

Sorry that I wasn’t more detailed…I meant that the Mitt-thugs gave the dossier about Christie-dirt to Halperin.

It’s a big one. The Mitt/Christie camps absolutely hate each other. Mitt came close to selecting him for VP, but Christie wouldn’t quit his governorship and Mitt hates fat people, he really does. Mitt’s rats are a despicable lot, as I always knew. He didn’t control them. They handed over all that crap to the leftist reporters.

Schadenfreude on November 5, 2013 at 8:14 PM

Mike O’Brien ‏@mpoindc 1m

In NJ exits, Christie won 92% of Republican voters, 64% of independents and 31% of Democrats.

canopfor on November 5, 2013 at 8:14 PM

KingGold on November 5, 2013 at 8:13 PM

Not at all what I said, but it’s a free country and you can go on as you wish.

Schadenfreude on November 5, 2013 at 8:14 PM

According to third wave exits in NJ, Christie won women by 12% and *split* the Hispanic vote against Democrat Barbara Buono.
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canopfor on November 5, 2013 at 8:12 PM

I was a little skeptical before tonight but if so I’m fine with a Christie ticket.

Call me a RINO, whatever. As a 20 year old, I dont want the country to go eternal Dem for the rest of my life.

Flapjackmaka on November 5, 2013 at 8:14 PM

CNN exits: Republican New Jersey Gov. Christie won 56% of women, 45% of Hispanics, and 21% of black voters – @philipaklein

davidk on November 5, 2013 at 8:15 PM

Christie can kiss my ass!

GarandFan on November 5, 2013 at 8:15 PM

KingGold on November 5, 2013 at 8:13 PM

When you do stuff like that, start with the first one who typed “Rubio speaks Spanish”, in the name of honest discussion. If not you’re as gnat-brained as verbaluce and about as much fun.

Schadenfreude on November 5, 2013 at 8:15 PM

New Jersey governor’s race 2013
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CNN exits: Republican New Jersey Gov. Christie won 56% of women, 45% of Hispanics, and 21% of black voters – @philipaklein
read more on twitter.com

canopfor on November 5, 2013 at 8:16 PM

Actually it was “Rubio speaks Spanish and Martinez does too”

Schadenfreude on November 5, 2013 at 8:17 PM

As a 20 year old, I dont want the country to go eternal Dem for the rest of my life.

Flapjackmaka on November 5, 2013 at 8:14 PM

Sound advice, for your better life – study the late 70s and Carter/Reagan.

Schadenfreude on November 5, 2013 at 8:18 PM

I was a little skeptical before tonight but if so I’m fine with a Christie ticket.

Call me a RINO, whatever. As a 20 year old, I dont want the country to go eternal Dem for the rest of my life.

Flapjackmaka on November 5, 2013 at 8:14 PM

RINO.

davidk on November 5, 2013 at 8:18 PM

There was no benefit for him to go against the ONE’s wishes. He let the exchange go but I bet even he see’s Obamacare as an abject failure in of itself. I dont know much about Martinez but she’s fine by me. What do you suggest? Cruz?

Flapjackmaka on November 5, 2013 at 8:09 PM

Doesnt matter how Christie sees it: the question will be “if you so dislike Ocare, why did you take the Ocare money”? Et voila, he will be on the defensive, when thats an issue on which we should aggressively score points.

Nope, I dont see anybody. People like Paul and Cruz demonstrate unseriousness if they think that a few years in the US Senate qualifies them for the job. That is if they run at all.

I think Republicans are in for a rude awakening: the 2016 field wont be much better than the 2012 lot.

Valkyriepundit on November 5, 2013 at 8:19 PM

Actually it was “Rubio speaks Spanish and Martinez does too”

Schadenfreude on November 5, 2013 at 8:17 PM

They do. Cruz doesn’t. For a Hispanic candidate, the ability to speak fluent Spanish is objectively an asset. I don’t know what you expect me to say – you painted yourself into a corner by writing something that you assumed was true but wasn’t, and then defensively lashed out by saying it doesn’t matter anyway.

Whatever. Better luck next time, I guess.

KingGold on November 5, 2013 at 8:20 PM

Mike O’Brien ‏@mpoindc 4m

In #2016: 50% of New Jersey voters would favor Hillary Clinton in a matchup against Christie, who would win 43% of the vote, per exit data
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Mike O’Brien ‏@mpoindc 4m

In NJ exit data, 49% of voters think Christie would make a good president, 46% don’t think so.

canopfor on November 5, 2013 at 8:20 PM

So was Romney but I bet you voted for him. If Christie says he wont do shit at the position of guns if president, I’ll vote for him. I care about winning and getting something

Flapjackmaka on November 5, 2013 at 8:06 PM

You Establishment types don’t get it, do you?

Settling for liberal types (McCain and Romney) in the name of “electability” lost us the last two elections.

And now you are pitching Christie?

Only for Dems to savage him on anything from his weight (fat man) to his meanness once they have safely helped to nominate him as our candidate.

How dumb can Establishment types be?

TheRightMan on November 5, 2013 at 8:20 PM

Schadenfreude on November 5, 2013 at 8:15 PM

Ignore him.

gh on November 5, 2013 at 8:20 PM

“if you so dislike Ocare, why did you take the Ocare money”?

“Because if the government is taking money from my state, then it’s only right as a governor to get it back to the people when the government offers it”

Flapjackmaka on November 5, 2013 at 8:20 PM

KingGold on November 5, 2013 at 8:01 PM

Agreed about Papa Crazy with Ted Cruz. Didn’t he used to support Castro? Sounds like a man of real convictions if he did.

However, Christie is also quite slimy and I dislike him as much as I do Cruz.

Illinidiva on November 5, 2013 at 8:21 PM

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