D.C. backs off on vote on drivers licenses for illegals

posted at 8:41 am on November 5, 2013 by Jazz Shaw

In case you missed it previously, the DC Council was planning on a special vote today, though it had nothing to do with the general election going on. They planned to hold a final vote to approve drivers licenses for illegal immigrants which were identical to the licenses which citizen drivers receive. But even in a place like DC, that raised a few eyebrows, and now the vote has been delayed.

The D.C. Council was set to take a final vote Tuesday on a bill allowing illegal immigrants to apply for District driver’s licenses for the first time. But the vote was delayed at least two weeks after the member shepherding the bill through the council said details remained to be worked out with federal authorities.

Mary M. Cheh (D-Ward 3) said the two-week delay would allow the language of the bill to be perfected, in part to allay concerns that the measure could run afoul of federal law. Allowing undocumented residents to hold licenses indistinguishable from those held by legal residents could run afoul of the yet-to-be-implemented REAL ID Act, which sets tough standards for state ID cards.

In an interview Monday, Cheh said she has met with high-ranking officials at the Department of Homeland Security who, while not taking an official position on the legislation, raised some concerns with it.

Raised some concerns is putting it mildly. Even leaving aside the REAL ID Act, this proposal was bound to be one of the bigger lightning rods to hit the city in a while. The bill was allegedly going to provide the licenses “only to drive” which would seem to rely on the nearly foolproof honor system to ensure people didn’t use them in ways for which they weren’t intended. Other options also under consideration are to give the documents a “different color border” on the edges. (How could that possibly confuse anyone?) A second, horribly restrictive and undoubtedly raaaacist idea would have them include a small stamp saying, “not for federal identification purposes.” But nobody wants anything like that.

But immigrant advocates have opposed doing that in the District, calling it a ”scarlet letter” that would serve to alert law enforcement that the person bearing the license is in fact undocumented.

Well, heavens to Betsy! We certainly wouldn’t want a license that you might have to show to a policeman which might alert them that the person holding it was in the country illegally, would we? I mean, if you’re going to do that, you might as well just… arrest them.

It’s really getting hard to tell where the punch lines end and the real news stories begin these days.


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BUILD THE FENCE

TheAudacityofNOPE on November 5, 2013 at 8:45 AM

Treat illegals like they’re illegal. Pretty simple really.

Flange on November 5, 2013 at 8:48 AM

Don’t see why the Dems don’t just issue a Party ID card with the notation “GET OUT OF JAIL FREE”.

GarandFan on November 5, 2013 at 8:53 AM

A wasted effort. I doubt illegals would apply for them, just drive anyway.

aknews on November 5, 2013 at 8:56 AM

Enforce the law.

Thanks.

JackM on November 5, 2013 at 8:57 AM

This has nothing to do with the illegals. The real reason for adding the “not for federal ID” was that the DHS was going to negate all licenses otherwise. Legal residents of DC would not be able to use their license to get on a plane anywhere in the country. Legal residents would not be able to rent cars. In short, legal residents would not be able to use their license as a form of federal ID.

Happy Nomad on November 5, 2013 at 8:58 AM

Enforce the law.

Thanks.

JackM on November 5, 2013 at 8:57 AM

Alternatively, get rid of the INS. If they are not going to do their job, then they are not needed.

Happy Nomad on November 5, 2013 at 8:59 AM

Um, someone shows up to get a “I’m in the country illegally” ID, shouldn’t they be arrested and deported? I don’t understand this game.

Fallon on November 5, 2013 at 9:00 AM

But immigrant advocates have opposed doing that in the District, calling it a ”scarlet letter” that would serve to alert law enforcement that the person bearing the license is in fact undocumented.

Yes, we certainly wouldn’t want to attach any stigma to a license that might cause an illegal alien to feel embarrassed or even ashamed about his/her law-breaking behavior, because that might serve as a disincentive for others to flagrantly violate our laws, and we certainly don’t want to do anything that might encourage folks to be law-abiding, now do we?

AZCoyote on November 5, 2013 at 9:02 AM

Yes, we certainly wouldn’t want to attach any stigma to a license that might cause an illegal alien to feel embarrassed or even ashamed about his/her law-breaking behavior, because that might serve as a disincentive for others to flagrantly violate our laws, and we certainly don’t want to do anything that might encourage folks to be law-abiding, now do we?

AZCoyote on November 5, 2013 at 9:02 AM

You’re lucky AZ. the illegals don’t linger that close to the border. Here in DC, we’ve been assured that the illegals will get insurance if they have licenses- because, you know, that’s the law. Makes it safer for us all.

But, of course, the DC Council was really trying to make it easy for the illegals to vote in 2014.

Happy Nomad on November 5, 2013 at 9:10 AM

Our wonderful government here in IL just started allowing licenses for illegals. The concern being expressed is that they won’t want to get one, since it’s a way of documenting the fact that they’re here and not here legally. Ya think?

Like others have said: Enforce the law, please.

mag7ue on November 5, 2013 at 9:11 AM

Here in Ca. they are going to pass them out like Halloween candy.Their biggest concern is how to mark them apart from regular DL’s as to not demean them.You can’t make this shit up.

jeffinsjvca on November 5, 2013 at 9:16 AM

So let me get this straight: a municipal governing body is seeking to allow violators of federal law to gain documentation that would allow these violators to move about the countryside at will… said governing body consults with the federal department of homeland security who – knowing full well the intension and implication of this act – willfully offers counsel but does nothing to retard this city council’s criminal act of aiding and abetting… fan-f’ing-tastic.

What has happened to my country?

dpduq on November 5, 2013 at 9:18 AM

Um, someone shows up to get a “I’m in the country illegally” ID, shouldn’t they be arrested and deported? I don’t understand this game.

Fallon on November 5, 2013 at 9:00 AM

WAR IS PEACE…FREEDOM IS SLAVERY…IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH…

Laws and Borders are relative

workingclass artist on November 5, 2013 at 9:20 AM

So let me get this straight: a municipal governing body is seeking to allow violators of federal law to gain documentation that would allow these violators to move about the countryside at will… said governing body consults with the federal department of homeland security who – knowing full well the intension and implication of this act – willfully offers counsel but does nothing to retard this city council’s criminal act of aiding and abetting… fan-f’ing-tastic.

What has happened to my country?

dpduq on November 5, 2013 at 9:18 AM

This is really nothing new. New Haven and I think Bridgeport, Connecticut have been doing this for at least 5 years. The Mayor said they need the ID to be able to cash checks, buy homes and cars, and come out of the shadows so criminals don’t prey on them.

Johnnyreb on November 5, 2013 at 9:26 AM

Their biggest concern is how to mark them apart from regular DL’s as to not demean them.You can’t make this shit up.

jeffinsjvca on November 5, 2013 at 9:16 AM

CA has long been concerned about legitimizing the illegals. When I lived out there it took two school busses to pick up all the children that allegedly lived in a 10-unit apartment complex and nobody said a word. The house two doors from mine had over 20 people living in 1500 sq ft and nobody said a word. Going to the local post office was like a trip to South America and nobody said a word.

The reason I’m in favor of a guest worker program is that the illegals could have some sort of real legitimacy without a promise of amnesty.

Happy Nomad on November 5, 2013 at 9:26 AM

You’re lucky AZ. the illegals don’t linger that close to the border. Here in DC, we’ve been assured that the illegals will get insurance if they have licenses- because, you know, that’s the law. Makes it safer for us all.

But, of course, the DC Council was really trying to make it easy for the illegals to vote in 2014.

Happy Nomad on November 5, 2013 at 9:10 AM

I wish it were true that the illegals didn’t linger around here, but unfortunately many do. There is a reason why AZ is the no. 1 state for identity theft, and it’s the same reason why Phoenix is the no. 2 kidnapping city in the world: the high number of illegal aliens living here.

As for the politicians’ ludicrous rationale about making the city safer by giving illegals drivers’ licenses, what would really make the city safer is not allowing illegal aliens to be driving around the city in the first place.

If we had a president who took his oath of office seriously and actually enforced our immigration laws and kept our borders secure, we wouldn’t need to have a debate about what color border to put on drivers’ licenses for illegal aliens!

AZCoyote on November 5, 2013 at 9:30 AM

The bill was allegedly going to provide the licenses “only to drive” which would seem to rely on the nearly foolproof honor system to ensure people didn’t use them in ways for which they weren’t intended.

I.e., voting. Simply an end run around blocks to amnesty.

rbj on November 5, 2013 at 9:37 AM

I wonder what other countries treat their immigration laws as lightly as the United States does? There probably are some but I don’t know what they are.

J.S.K. on November 5, 2013 at 9:39 AM

CA has long been concerned about legitimizing the illegals. When I lived out there it took two school busses to pick up all the children that allegedly lived in a 10-unit apartment complex and nobody said a word. The house two doors from mine had over 20 people living in 1500 sq ft and nobody said a word. Going to the local post office was like a trip to South America and nobody said a word.

The reason I’m in favor of a guest worker program is that the illegals could have some sort of real legitimacy without a promise of amnesty.

Happy Nomad on November 5, 2013 at 9:26 AM

It just isn’t the southwest and Hispanics. When we lived in Montville CT right by the Casinos there were tons of Asians who overstayed their work Visa’s. Everyone knew it, but no one said a word. We had two houses up the road from us that got busted by the Town for having 25+ people living in each one. They had divided the rooms into little cubicles with bunk beds in every room except the kitchen. They only got caught because the sewer backed up and the town had to come in to fix it.

Johnnyreb on November 5, 2013 at 9:40 AM

Um, someone shows up to get a “I’m in the country illegally” ID, shouldn’t they be arrested and deported? I don’t understand this game.

Fallon on November 5, 2013 at 9:00 AM

Federal vs State. Immigration is a federal concern and not a state or in this case district concern. The feds get all huffy when states start to enforce laws outside their jurisdiction or make state laws for a federal concern.

Dr. Frank Enstine on November 5, 2013 at 9:44 AM

If we had a president who took his oath of office seriously and actually enforced our immigration laws and kept our borders secure, we wouldn’t need to have a debate about what color border to put on drivers’ licenses for illegal aliens!

AZCoyote on November 5, 2013 at 9:30 AM

You assume he thinks his job is to enforce laws of the country. In my opinion he thinks his job is to transform this country from a world power into a third world crap hole.

Dr. Frank Enstine on November 5, 2013 at 9:47 AM

The feds get all huffy when states start to enforce laws outside their jurisdiction or make state laws for a federal concern.

Dr. Frank Enstine on November 5, 2013 at 9:44 AM

Except that the federal government’s huffiness is highly selective.

For example, they’ll sue states like AZ and Texas for trying to enforce federal immigration laws, but they turn a blind eye when states set up “sanctuary” cities or offer reduced tuition rates to illegal aliens (something federal law prohibits).

AZCoyote on November 5, 2013 at 9:48 AM

Um, someone shows up to get a “I’m in the country illegally” ID, shouldn’t they be arrested and deported? I don’t understand this game.

Fallon on November 5, 2013 at 9:00 AM

They simply have to say “Y Dreamer” and then they can stay, because Obama said so.

slickwillie2001 on November 5, 2013 at 10:09 AM

Someone told them to cool it

Congress is working an Amnesty slam, and the last thing they want is negative amnesty news

until after they move Ryan’s gimmick into place

Coming as I type this Jeff Flake: Paul Ryan’s Plan ‘Good Shot at a Breakthrough’ for Amnesty

entagor on November 5, 2013 at 10:53 AM

Um, someone shows up to get a “I’m in the country illegally” ID, shouldn’t they be arrested and deported? I don’t understand this game.

Fallon on November 5, 2013 at 9:00 AM

because.racist.

Murphy9 on November 5, 2013 at 10:55 AM

Enforce the law.

Thanks.

JackM on November 5, 2013 at 8:57 AM

Illegals are claiming political asylum…Refugee status

*blech*

workingclass artist on November 5, 2013 at 10:57 AM

we wouldn’t need to have a debate about what color border to put on drivers’ licenses for illegal aliens!

AZCoyote on November 5, 2013 at 9:30 AM

I think it should be big and red, and have the words “ARREST ME! I DON’T BELONG HERE!” embedded in it.

And, yes, as soon as they hand it to you, they should toss you in the clink.

GWB on November 5, 2013 at 11:15 AM

The nerve of these people. They are not American Citizens!

neyney on November 5, 2013 at 11:16 AM

For those who think a Guest Worker program or amnesty would work, I wish to point out two fine shining examples of countries with “Guest Worker” status, France and Germany. Both have a very large “Guest Worker” population, workers who work the lower paying jobs that no “citizen” wants to work anymore. Both countries have large Muslim enclaves, that are even now, asking for exceptions to national and local laws and courts and to allow them to use Sharia laws and courts. So…when do the “guest workers” from Asia, South and Central America, Africa and the ‘Stans get to set up their own system within ours?????

TIdbIT on November 5, 2013 at 1:24 PM

Let’s be more specific. Rather than calling them the “DC Council” the media should be listing the names of the members of the DC Council so we all know exactly who is voting to put the desires of ILLEGAL aliens ahead of the security of American Citizens.

Here is the list of the members of the DC Council:

Councilmembers
Phil Mendelson
David Catania
Vincent Orange
David Grosso
Anita Bonds
Jim Graham
Jack Evans
Mary M. Cheh
Muriel Bowser
Kenyan McDuffie
Tommy Wells
Yvette Alexander
Marion Barry

http://dccouncil.us/council

Yes, it is THAT Marion Barry.

Now, I want to know which drug cartel is paying for votes on this issue.

wren on November 5, 2013 at 1:37 PM