AP estimate: At least 3.5 million people have had their health insurance canceled

posted at 2:41 pm on November 4, 2013 by Allahpundit

Via Ace, emphasis on “at least.” Remember the number, because ObamaCare fans much prefer to talk in percentages when discussing the program’s losers. Jon Gruber told New York magazine last week that, of the roughly six percent of the population that buys insurance on the individual market, half are at risk of being slapped with a cancellation notice by their insurer and forced to buy a new, more expensive plan. To Gruber, that’s an acceptable casualty rate: “Don’t get me wrong, that’s a shame, but no law in the history of America makes everyone better off.” It fell to Ryan Lizza, the author of the New York piece, to remind readers that three percent equals nine million people. To put that in perspective, the number of active duty servicemen and reserves across the entire U.S. armed forces is only 2.3 million. It’d be like hitting the entire population of New Jersey with a premium hike — or, if you prefer, the total population of the 10 least populous states. If your new boondoggle is predicated on the idea that you can’t make an omelette without breaking a few eggs, which number would you rather be pushing as “a few”? Three percent? Or nine million?

The Obama administration insists nobody will lose coverage as a result of cancellation notices going out to millions of people. At least 3.5 million Americans have been issued cancellations, but the exact number is unclear. Associated Press checks find that data is unavailable in a half the states…

Speaking in Boston’s historic Faneuil Hall this past week, Obama said the problem is limited to fewer than 5 percent of Americans “who’ve got cut-rate plans that don’t offer real financial protection in the event of a serious illness or an accident.”

But in a nation of more than 300 million, 5 percent is a big number – about 15 million people. Among them are Ian and Sara Hodge of Lancaster, Pa., in their early 60s and paying $1,041 a month for a policy.

After insurer Highmark Inc., sent the Hodges a cancellation notice, the cheapest rate they say they’ve been able to find is $1,400 for a comparable plan. Ian is worried they may not qualify for tax credits and doesn’t trust that the federal website is secure enough to enter personal financial information in order to find out.

Interesting that Obama thinks the problem might be even worse than Gruber does. How many of the 3.5 million who’ve already received cancellation notices had “cut-rate” plans and have now been “transitioned” to better (i.e. more expensive) ones, and how many had perfectly decent plans that needed to be sacrificed in the name of gouging healthy people for higher premiums to help cover the preexisting conditions of others? The new Big Lie from Democrats as a defense to rate shock is to insist, against all available evidence, that virtually every plan that’s been canceled under ObamaCare’s regs was crap coverage unfit for a decent society. Here’s yet another reminder that it just ain’t so:

Marlys Dietrick, a 60-year-old artist from San Antonio, said she had high hopes that the new law would help many of her friends who are chefs, actors or photographers get insured. But she said they have been turned off by high premiums and deductibles and would rather pay the fine.

“I am one of those Democrats who wanted it to be better than this,” she said.

Her insurer, Humana, informed her that her plan was being canceled and that the rate for herself and her 21-year-old son for a plan compliant with the new law would rise from $300 to $705. On the federal Web site, she found a comparable plan for $623 a month. Because her annual income is about $80,000, she doesn’t qualify for subsidies.

A cheaper alternative on the federal exchange, she said, had a premium of $490 a month — but it was an HMO plan rather than the PPO plan she currently has. “I wouldn’t be able to go to the doctor I’ve been going to for years,” she said. “That is not a deal.”

And both the HMO and PPO exchange plans she examined had family deductibles of $12,700, compared with her current $7,000.

This AP piece has another vivid example involving a couple in their sixties who’ll be paying $500 more per month in premiums plus — yes, really — a $10,000 increase in their deductible. That’s if they decide to sign up, though; right now they’re on the fence about whether to enroll or to drop their health insurance altogether and pay the mandate fine this year. That’s a tiny inkling of a potential nightmare scenario for the industry as a whole — a death spiral, where not only do healthy people not sign up for coverage but healthy people who already have it end up priced out by the soaring premiums generated by guaranteed issue.

For more examples of ObamaCare as “junk insurance,” see David Freddoso’s post at the Examiner. How many of these cases are outliers and how many are representative remains to be seen, but as one health-care expert told WaPo, “The problem is that even if the majority are winners . . . they’re not the ones writing to their congressmen.” On that note, go read this HuffPo piece from a few days ago about Democrats looking ahead to the ObamaCare fiascos that await them next year, even if the White House somehow manages to get the website going soon. The employer mandate, which was delayed this year by proclamation of the King, will take effect for 2015, forcing a new round of rate shock as small businesses dump their employees onto the exchanges to buy ObamaCare’s more expensive insurance. The 2015 rates will be announced by insurers, as is customary, in October of the previous year — i.e. one month before the 2014 midterms. Exit quotation from a “key Democrat”: “What genius came up with that timetable?”


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We are going to quintuple that number at least when the employer mandate kicks in next year.

Johnnyreb on November 4, 2013 at 2:43 PM

Dear Leader has declared that no rate increases can be declared until after the 2014 mid terms. Anybody going to stop him..?

d1carter on November 4, 2013 at 2:44 PM

At least 3.5 million people have had their health insurance canceled

That is quite a shocking number. How many more will there be?

portlandon on November 4, 2013 at 2:44 PM

Exit quotation from a “key Democrat”: “What genius came up with that timetable?”

As James Taranto loves to say on Twitter:

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

rockmom on November 4, 2013 at 2:45 PM

“OK sure, so a bunch of ‘people’, if you want to call them that, had their coverage cancelled.
“But the majority of them are either independents, or—even worse—have suspiciously conservative tendencies.
“So, really: it’s not like ‘people’ are being affected: more like ‘Tea Party extremists’. And we’d never get their votes anyway, so: why bother?”

—Jay Carney (if he was honest)

orangemtl on November 4, 2013 at 2:45 PM

And the hits just keep on coming. God willing, they’ll KEEP in coming. And coming. And coming.

Kraken on November 4, 2013 at 2:46 PM

The employer mandate, which was delayed this year by proclamation of the King, will take effect for 2015, forcing a new round of rate shock as small businesses dump their employees onto the exchanges to buy ObamaCare’s more expensive insurance.

I’ll keep asking this because I have my suspicions, but why would Obama allow the mandate to go into effect a year from now if it’s likely to lead to a bloodbath in the midterms for the Dems? Obviously the legality or constitutionality of such a move wouldn’t phase him since it didn’t matter when he delayed it the first time.

Doughboy on November 4, 2013 at 2:46 PM

Via Ace, emphasis on “at least.” Remember the number, because ObamaCare fans much prefer to talk in percentages when discussing ObamaCare’s losers.

Yep. If the estimate is at least 3.5 million, it’s probably quadruple that amount.

rukiddingme on November 4, 2013 at 2:47 PM

And the State Run Media is trying to say that this is all a big surprise…Ezekial Emanuel stated clearly that the goal was to kill the individual insurance market and the insurance companies knew it all along.

d1carter on November 4, 2013 at 2:47 PM

Johnnyreb on November 4, 2013 at 2:43 PM

That’s is what the “experts” are saying and I believe it. We will have single payer within 4 years. Do worry, the GOP is “waiting”.

Oil Can on November 4, 2013 at 2:48 PM

The number of people who receive cancellation notices will soon exceed the alleged number of people this (f)law was supposed to benefit.

VibrioCocci on November 4, 2013 at 2:48 PM

The ACA has acted stupidly.

vinman on November 4, 2013 at 2:48 PM

It’s like when some huckster keeps telling you it’s a real great deal and you keep telling them that if may be but you still can’t afford it so it’s not that great. In obamacare, it’s not even a great deal. It sucks. And you still can’t afford it.

Blake on November 4, 2013 at 2:50 PM

“Are you sure Romney didn’t win the election?”

-Obama

portlandon on November 4, 2013 at 2:51 PM

fox news just showed a map of the ppl that had their insurance cancelled,,,,3.7million,,,(900,000 in cali alone..laffs)
a number growing by the day,,,,

this is different than all BHO’s other blunders..
F&F and Benghazi…touched so few americans….
the IRS…only looking at the evil Tea PArty goons
and on and on…
but this one forces all americans to look at some form of reality..
this one touches everyone…
not that i think everyone will wake up…or understand..

i think the CiC has found his bridge too far to cross…

going2mars on November 4, 2013 at 2:51 PM

Come on folks, we all know they had crappy health insurance plans form the evil insurance companies that didn’t protect them from anything. Like they even had to *gasp* pay a co-pay for an abortion.

Johnnyreb on November 4, 2013 at 2:51 PM

At least 3.5 million people have had their health insurance canceled

A miniscule number compared to all the people helped. You can’t make an omelet without breaking some eggs and these people will find themselves happy with better insurance as a result of the ACA. Given time they will be literally weeping at how grateful they are for having had their insurance canceled on them.

Thus endeth the administration position on Obamacare. We now return you to your regular programming already in progress.

Happy Nomad on November 4, 2013 at 2:51 PM

This is nothing compared to when the employee mandates hit…

“More precisely, of the 189 million Americans with private health insurance coverage, I estimate that if Obamacare is fully implemented, at least 129 million (68%) will not be able to keep their previous health care plan either because they already have or will lose that coverage by the end of 2014.”

Forbes: No, David Axelrod, The ‘Vast Majority of People In This Country’ Are Not Keeping Their Plan

dominigan on November 4, 2013 at 2:51 PM

The employer mandate, which was delayed this year by proclamation of the King, will take effect for 2015, forcing a new round of rate shock as small businesses dump their employees onto the exchanges to buy ObamaCare’s more expensive insurance.

The problems with the website are peanuts compared to lost coverage and rate shock.

changer1701 on November 4, 2013 at 2:52 PM

Where are verbasloopy and libfreefromreality when you need them to explain these things…

oldroy on November 4, 2013 at 2:53 PM

Exit quotation from a “key Democrat”: “What genius came up with that timetable?”

The supreme genius, Barack the Magnificent. Barack, the all-knowing. Barack, purveyor of free phones. Barack of the Greek pillars. Barack, the…

I could go on, but I’m laughing too damn hard. You jumped into bed with him, reap what you’ve sown.

You may want to put some ice on that…

/popcorn

Kraken on November 4, 2013 at 2:53 PM

Come on folks, we all know they had crappy health insurance plans form the evil insurance companies that didn’t protect them from anything. Like they even had to *gasp* pay a co-pay for an abortion.

Johnnyreb on November 4, 2013 at 2:51 PM

Children in their twenties were actually allowed to run around with only catastrophic insurance that didn’t cover anything but catastrophic events. No pregnancy services, PAP smears, or drug rehab! How silly is that?

Happy Nomad on November 4, 2013 at 2:53 PM

Epic fail

Own it dems

*popcorn munching *

cmsinaz on November 4, 2013 at 2:54 PM

But it was all Sham insurance anyway. “Pallone”

cat-scratch on November 4, 2013 at 2:56 PM

Liar in Chief

Schadenfreude on November 4, 2013 at 2:56 PM

The 2015 rates will be announced by insurers, as is customary, in October of the previous year — i.e. one month before the 2014 midterms. Exit quotation from a “key Democrat”: “What genius came up with that timetable?”

NO DELAYS. NO MERCY.

Any delays will only help Democraps in the 2014 midterms. If the Dems try to propose any further delays in any part of 0bamacare at all, the GOP needs to swat them down and do everything possible to keep this timeline in place.

UltimateBob on November 4, 2013 at 2:56 PM

…and the employer mandate kicks in…2014.

Schadenfreude on November 4, 2013 at 2:56 PM

The 2015 rates will be announced by insurers, as is customary, in October of the previous year — i.e. one month before the 2014 midterms. Exit quotation from a “key Democrat”: “What genius came up with that timetable?”

The Boy Genius will order the insurance companies not to inform their policy holders of the premium increases until November 7. Those who disobey will receive a friendly visit from Lois Lerner.

Steve Z on November 4, 2013 at 2:57 PM

If you’re losing out on this deal, why not sit it out?

It’ll hasten the collapse and move us to something better, and there’s no way Americans will accept Obamacare II: Return of Rube Goldberg.

BuckeyeSam on November 4, 2013 at 2:57 PM

The 2015 rates will be announced by insurers, as is customary, in October of the previous year — i.e. one month before the 2014 midterms. Exit quotation from a “key Democrat”: “What genius came up with that timetable?”

Schadenfreude on November 4, 2013 at 2:58 PM

Is it possible that John Roberts new all this and wanted this to hang on the dem necks? therefore throw out the whole law in the end of Obama’s term on religious freedom grounds. If one piece is unconstitutional the whole law is??

I know it’s a stretch because Roberts is a beltway Rino ass but still you have to hope :)

Conservative4ev on November 4, 2013 at 2:58 PM

But we won’t know how few people actually enrolled in O’surance until Nov 15th.

antipc on November 4, 2013 at 2:59 PM

obama lied.
People died.

Schadenfreude on November 4, 2013 at 3:00 PM

The New Yorker, not New York Magazine.

cbenoistd on November 4, 2013 at 3:01 PM

The Boy Genius will order the insurance companies not to inform their policy holders of the premium increases until November 7. Those who disobey will receive a friendly visit from Lois Lerner.

Steve Z on November 4, 2013 at 2:57 PM

I think the law says notices must go out 90 days in advance, doesn’t it? Obama may try to decree that, but just like companies began decreasing hours even with his 1 yr mandate waiver most companies will also follow the 90 day law.

txhsmom on November 4, 2013 at 3:01 PM

Happy Nomad on November 4, 2013 at 2:53 PM

i am sure that you and all of HA would put a few scheckles
together for the lovely Ms Fluke for her birthcontrol pills..
lord knows we wouldnt want her to breed…

ps…any extra in the HA fund could cover DWS birthcontrol tab…sheesh

going2mars on November 4, 2013 at 3:02 PM

I know it’s a stretch because Roberts is a beltway Rino ass but still you have to hope :)

Don’t:

5 Thus saith the Lord: Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the Lord.

6 For he shall be like tamaric in the desert, and he shall not see when good shall come: but he shall dwell in dryness in the desert in a salt land, and not inhabited.

7 Blessed be the man that trusteth in the Lord, and the Lord shall be his confidence.

8 And he shall be as a tree that is planted by the waters, that spreadeth out its roots towards moisture: and it shall not fear when the heat cometh. And the leaf thereof shall be green, and in the time of drought it shall not be solicitous, neither shall it cease at any time to bring forth fruit.

9 The heart is perverse above all things, and unsearchable, who can know it?

10 I am the Lord who search the heart and prove the reins: who give to every one according to his way, and according to the fruit of his devices.

Put your hope and trust in God that He will take us out of this valley and deliver us from the evil one.

I know, too religious. But I always hope and trust in the Lord. what else is there?

Kraken on November 4, 2013 at 3:06 PM

going2mars on November 4, 2013 at 3:02 PM

I will buy her an aspirin, along with instructions as to where to hold it.

kingsjester on November 4, 2013 at 3:06 PM

Doubling down

Schadenfreude on November 4, 2013 at 3:07 PM

Dig this, The Big Lie from a very liberal insurance claims web site: “President Barack Obama’s advisers deliberately crafted his signature healthcare law to fulfill his oft-repeated promise: those who like their insurance can keep it.”

The comments are 90% pro-American, and 9% Liberal. There are 1% of comments about the BEars and PAckers.

Akzed on November 4, 2013 at 3:08 PM

2) Don’t lie. The Obama White House has a credibility problem, one that could infect his entire agenda. It started when the White House refused to release data on the number of people who enrolled in the online marketplace, an important metric for determining the effectiveness of the $400 million-plus site. Administration officials say they don’t have the data, which is either a mark of extraordinary incompetence or a lie.

The problem was compounded when millions of self-insured Americans received notices that their health care policies were being canceled. For years, Obama pledged that “if you like your health care plan, you’ll be able to keep your health care plan. Period.” According to The Wall Street Journal, Obama’s advisers knew the president was making a promise he couldn’t keep, and debated whether to have the president “explain the nuances of the succinct line in his stump speeches.” In other words, they debated whether to tell the full truth and decided against it. They knowingly told a falsehood, which is by definition a lie.

Rather than acknowledge the deception, the White House has launched a public-relations effort to mitigate it. The most brazen example is the White House’s use of Twitter in an attempt to discredit an NBC story that accurately described the White House’s deception. “NBC ‘scoop’ cites normal turnover in the indiv insurance market,” White House spokesman Josh Earnest tweeted to his 9,500 followers on Twitter, according to a Reuters story on the operation.

Schadenfreude on November 4, 2013 at 3:08 PM

9M and counting. Whatcha wanna bet that’s wwwaaaaayyyyyy more than the ones who actually get thru and sign up?

Kissmygrits on November 4, 2013 at 3:09 PM

The 2015 rates will be announced by insurers, as is customary, in October of the previous year — i.e. one month before the 2014 midterms. Exit quotation from a “key Democrat”: “What genius came up with that timetable?”

Oh my guess is maybe someone who wont be running for elective office again…Think…think….think…Oh yeah the President!

abnormal_1 on November 4, 2013 at 3:09 PM

ps…any extra in the HA fund could cover DWS birthcontrol tab…sheesh

going2mars on November 4, 2013 at 3:02 PM

Her face is her birth control.

antipc on November 4, 2013 at 3:10 PM

4) New leadership is needed. The Post reports that Obama frequently tried to keep his team on task. Hours after the bill passed, the president told celebrating aides that the hard work of implementation begins in the morning. During regular staff meetings to monitor progress, he invariably turned attention to the website. If it doesn’t work, Obama said, “nothing else matters.” In one meeting, he told senior advisers that implementing ACA was the most important job of his presidency. “We’ve got to do it right,” Obama said.

Those anecdotes seem to belie the impression that Obama was disengaged. Even so, the president needs to do some soul-searching. What did I miss, and why? What was kept from me, and why? Who failed to do their jobs right? Who failed to tell me the job wasn’t getting done right? Do I have the right people on the job?

Because as long as the president sticks with the team that failed the country and lied, it’s fair to assume that he hasn’t learned the most basic lessons from the launch.

Schadenfreude on November 4, 2013 at 3:10 PM

I know, too religious. But I always hope and trust in the Lord. what else is there?

Kraken on November 4, 2013 at 3:06 PM

Nope you keep reminding me :)

Conservative4ev on November 4, 2013 at 3:11 PM

Hindsight is 20/20 and this wouldn’t have mattered if the website had halfway worked, right verbaluce?

rogerb on November 4, 2013 at 3:11 PM

These ungrateful subjects should be thanking their king for protecting them from those substandard policies…

PatriotRider on November 4, 2013 at 3:11 PM

Wait for Fatso Christie to say, I want the Repubs to fix this healthcare plan, it’s a good plan etc and try to help his lover

Conservative4ev on November 4, 2013 at 3:12 PM

Add me to that number. I just got off the phone with Horizon BCBS to discuss our new plan. My costs to stay insured will be going up by 13%. That’s not the end of the world, although I will notice it. Those who purchase the services I provide will also notice it as a result. Compared to other people’s horror stories, though, I have little room to complain and am not.

Additionally, the new plan requires specialist visits and prescriptions to count against our deductible first and then be subject to a significant coinsurance, a sizable change from our current plan. We are healthy now, but, three years ago, we were both far from it. I haven’t run the math for exact numbers, but I can say confidently that these new terms, with what we needed back then, would be disastrous if we found ourselves in the same situations now.

flutejpl on November 4, 2013 at 3:12 PM

I posted this earlier before this thread on cancellation numbers came up. Things will become much worse:

Expert: At least 129 million will ‘not be able to keep’ health care plan if Obamacare fully implemented

If Obamacare is fully implemented, 68 percent of Americans with private health insurance will not be able to keep their plan, according to health care economist Christopher Conover.

Conover is a research scholar in the Center for Health Policy & Inequalities Research at Duke University and an adjunct scholar at the American Enterprise Institute. In an interview with The Daily Caller, he laid out what he estimates the consequences of Obamacare’s implementation will ultimately be.

“Bottom line: of the 189 million Americans with private health insurance coverage, I estimate that if Obamacare is fully implemented, at least 129 million (68 percent) will not be able to keep their previous health care plan either because they already have lost or will lose that coverage by the end of 2014,” he said in an email. ”But of these, ‘only’ the 18 to 50 million will literally lose coverage, i.e., have their plans entirely taken away. This includes 9.2-15.4 million in the non-group market and 9-35 million in the employer-based market. The rest will retain their old plans but have to pay higher rates for Obamacare-mandated bells and whistles.”

Conover also says it is hard to imagine President Obama didn’t know these statistics when he was flacking for his health care bill by promising Americans they could keep their health insurance if they liked it.

INC on November 4, 2013 at 3:12 PM

I will buy her an aspirin, along with instructions as to where to hold it.

kingsjester on November 4, 2013 at 3:06 PM

laffs…strong idea …better include lil drawings..or pics…
that ones not too bright..
as long as we never see 12 lil flukes running around
with EBT and ACA cards…

going2mars on November 4, 2013 at 3:13 PM

INC on November 4, 2013 at 3:12 PM

Can you imagine the damage to the economy alone???…

PatriotRider on November 4, 2013 at 3:15 PM

I will buy her an aspirin, along with instructions as to where to hold it.

kingsjester on November 4, 2013 at 3:06 PM

At the rate we are going, the only healthcare non-union and non-government employees will be able to afford is aspirin…

PatriotRider on November 4, 2013 at 3:17 PM

Has Pelosi’s 5 yr old g-daughter weighed in on what is and what isn’t a lie?

Ben Hur on November 4, 2013 at 3:17 PM

At least 3.5 million people have had their health insurance canceled

Wow. O’bama’s popular vote margin of victory over Romney a year ago was only 4.9 million people.

Del Dolemonte on November 4, 2013 at 3:18 PM

“What genius came up with that timetable?”

Only one date was critical–REVEAL NOTHING OF OBAMACARE TIL POST 2012 ELECTION. Period. End of discussion. Narcissist-in-Chief merely had to ensure himself an election victory, the rest of the people, incl his own party, be damned.

hillsoftx on November 4, 2013 at 3:18 PM

Where are verbasloopy and libfreefromreality when you need them to explain these things…

oldroy on November 4, 2013 at 2:53 PM

verbaloon flamed out in spectacular fashion on the NY Times thread. Didn’t help matters by throwing even more gasoline on the fire by crying about Bush lying about WMDs.

Del Dolemonte on November 4, 2013 at 3:20 PM

Can we get a clarification if this number represents the number of people or the number of policies? The more I think about it, the more I believe the numbers the insurance companies are announcing are the number of policies and, of course, if the totes are based on those announcements, then that would be policies, too.

If so, the number of people losing their insurance would be some multiple of that and we’re talking about a number much higher than 3.5 million and the number would include an awful lot of *gasp* children!

Dusty on November 4, 2013 at 3:20 PM

Her face is her birth control.

antipc on November 4, 2013 at 3:10 PM

some drunken crack filled bath salt LIV would do her..
we have to be sure she is covered…

going2mars on November 4, 2013 at 3:21 PM

Can you imagine the damage to the economy alone???…

PatriotRider on November 4, 2013 at 3:15 PM

It will be terrible. The lives of many people will change drastically. Not only will income for extras will be swallowed up, but it will be for essentials as well unless people don’t buy health care. People are going to suffer, and I think some will actually die because of Obama & the Dems lust for power.

INC on November 4, 2013 at 3:24 PM

Now who would have imagined in 2007 that Hussein’s jaziaCAIR would come disguised as patient-dumping ?
I mean, how could 2 high profile intellectuals and beautiful people come up with such a ghoulish and morbid scheme to kill people ?

burrata on November 4, 2013 at 3:27 PM

If you’re losing out on this deal, why not sit it out?

It’ll hasten the collapse and move us to something better, and there’s no way Americans will accept Obamacare II: Return of Rube Goldberg.

BuckeyeSam on November 4, 2013 at 2:57 PM

What exactly will Americans do to stop it?

I’m very cynical these days, when people say “Surely Americans won’t accept X or Y!” it never seems to pan out. Basically nothing has happened as a result of F&F, IRS or NSA and nothing will happen as a result of Obamacare, either. A handful of Democrats may lose their seats in 2014 but that will be it.

So yes, I do expect single payer/Obamacare II, and I think most elected Republicans will placidly go along with it (while calling anyone who argues against it right wing extremists). There won’t be any serious protests or riots until the EBT cards and electricity start going off and people aren’t able to eat or entertain themselves.

Doomberg on November 4, 2013 at 3:32 PM

Exit quotation from a “key Democrat”: “What genius came up with that timetable?”

The same genius that decided that Mooch’s girlfriend should be given half a billion dollars to make Mooch proud of her country for the very first time ?

burrata on November 4, 2013 at 3:38 PM

It isn’t just that we on the individual market are the kind of people who vote and write Comments on blogs. It’s because we actually have to write a check for it each month, and so health insurance assumes a much larger significance for us.

bobs1196 on November 4, 2013 at 3:41 PM

They did this on purpose, to get the 7 million they need before 404Care sinks. They knew the youth would just take the penalty…er, tax.

PattyJ on November 4, 2013 at 3:54 PM

” And then there is the company’s own justification for leaving. “The company’s plans reflect its concern that the first wave of newly insured customers under the law may be the costliest,” UHC Chief Executive Officer Stephen Helmsley told investors last October. “UnitedHealth will watch and see how the exchanges evolve and expects the first enrollees will have ‘a pent-up appetite’ for medical care. We are approaching them with some degree of caution because of that.”

Get that? The company packed its bags and dumped its beneficiaries because it wants its competitors to swallow the first wave of sicker enrollees only to re-enter the market later and profit from the healthy people who still haven’t signed up for coverage.”

Entirely free from government intervention, corporations make these sorts of decisions every single day. Maneuvering your business practices to take advantage of shifting markets? That’s de rigeur (and is precisely the thing that anti-regulation actvists claim is the good thing about the free market). So why is this entirely common business practice a problem when it occurs within a more government regulated market.

libfreeordie on November 4, 2013 at 11:19 AM

libfreeordie on November 4, 2013 at 3:57 PM

So why is this entirely common business practice a problem when it occurs within a more government regulated market.
 
libfreeordie on November 4, 2013 at 3:57 PM

 
Quick, tell us which one has guns.

rogerb on November 4, 2013 at 4:00 PM

They say the Tree of Liberty needs to be watered by the blood of patriots from time to time. Between Benghazi and the victims of Obamacare, the first trickle of blood is shed. And Obamacare will undoubtedly kill people.

Obama is waging war on the American middle class and their way of life, through their health insurance. He did promise to fundamentally transform the United States.

ZenDraken on November 4, 2013 at 4:03 PM

libfreeordie on November 4, 2013 at 3:57 PM

Huh?

Government’s heavy handed intervention is a distortion, not a free-market force.

Insurers are making rational decisions and trying to defend themselves. Govt is trying to tell them how to run their businesses. I can’t understand how they are putting up with the nationalization of their industry.

freedomfirst on November 4, 2013 at 4:07 PM

Keep voting democrat, reprobates!

Murphy9 on November 4, 2013 at 4:14 PM

So why is this entirely common business practice a problem when it occurs within a more government regulated market.

libfreeordie on November 4, 2013 at 3:57 PM

If it were limited to 3.5 million that would be OK, and with some sort of similar, in the realm of reality cost. But these cancellations are going to be visited on 10′s of millions of people if not more than 100 million.

And speaking of cost. What one thing will Obamacare do to lower the cost that any provider charges for any health care service?

oldroy on November 4, 2013 at 4:15 PM

Marlys Dietrick, a 60-year-old artist from San Antonio

A cheaper alternative on the federal exchange, she said, had a premium of $490 a month — but it was an HMO plan rather than the PPO plan she currently has. “I wouldn’t be able to go to the doctor I’ve been going to for years,” she said. “That is not a deal.”

Marlys should just shut up and thank Gaia that her Lord and Savior is providing her 60-year-old libido with free birth control.

Besides, doesn’t she know that complaining about Obamacare makes her a racist?

CJ on November 4, 2013 at 4:16 PM

If this doesn’t drive a couple million independent voters to vote Republican, then nothing will.

You vote in the party that just cost you an extra $2,000 a year in premiums and potentially an extra $5-7,000 in deductibles…well then we’re doomed.

nextgen_repub on November 4, 2013 at 4:19 PM

Libfree and ‘Sloopy? Can you give a percentage of policies cancelled that you think will be replaced with lower cost policies? Just a ballpark for posterity. Obama did say “lower premiums by $2500″ a few dozen times, so I just want to make sure this thing is going to be affordable still.

oldroy on November 4, 2013 at 4:24 PM

Wouldn’t it have been more economically efficient to just provide some catastrophic plan to the uninsured that wanted to be covered? What would 5-10 million catastrophic plans cost as compared to the COST of 0′care?

This never made sense to me.

freedomfirst on November 4, 2013 at 4:42 PM

I just feel really bad for the peeps with cancer that are getting kicked off their plans.

FUBO!

Key West Reader on November 4, 2013 at 4:47 PM

This never made sense to me.

freedomfirst on November 4, 2013 at 4:42 PM

Bozo and his merry band of miscreant dem’s could have just passed something along the lines of “everyone gets a $3500 tax credit toward their premiums every year” and none of this would be happening.

Face it. Bozo and his merry band of miscreants just want you to get your prostate checked at your local DMV. Bend Ovah.

Key West Reader on November 4, 2013 at 4:49 PM

The 2015 rates will be announced by insurers, as is customary, in October of the previous year — i.e. one month before the 2014 midterms. Exit quotation from a “key Democrat”: “What genius came up with that timetable?”

Expect heavy pressure on insurers to not send out notices until December. In a Democratic administration, when the laws are inconvenient, you just don’t enforce them. When other people following the laws is inconvenient, you find an excuse to threaten them for doing it.

There Goes the Neighborhood on November 4, 2013 at 4:59 PM

So why is this entirely common business practice a problem when it occurs within a more government regulated market.

libfreeordie on November 4, 2013 at 11:19 AM

libfreeordie on November 4, 2013 at 3:57 PM

If O’bamacare (in its identical form) was proposed by a white President named George W. Bush, would you have enthusiastically supported it?

Del Dolemonte on November 4, 2013 at 5:02 PM

Those who voted for King Barack can just STFU!, open their wallets AND PAY!

You idiots wanted this POS legislation. Yeah! We can cover MORE people with BETTER coverage for LESS money!

Well the Sugar Fairy is DOA folks! Live with it!

GarandFan on November 4, 2013 at 5:33 PM

Besides using up other people’s money, Progressives have the problem that planning other people’s lives requires accurate foresight and this fiasco shows that they don’t have it. They condemn businesses for unforeseen consequences of their actions, but seem unable to admit their own.

flataffect on November 5, 2013 at 12:51 AM

How many of these cases are outliers and how many are representative remains to be seen, but as one health-care expert told WaPo, “The problem is that even if the majority are winners . . . they’re not the ones writing to their congressmen.”

In the case of Obamacare, the plural of anecdote really is data.

AesopFan on November 5, 2013 at 1:00 AM