Open thread: Sunday morning talking heads

posted at 8:01 am on November 3, 2013 by Allahpundit

To mark a full month of ObamaCare failing in almost every conceivable way it could fail, naturally the star Republican guest on this week’s Sunday shows is the guy responsible for RomneyCare. Mitt gets the spotlight on “Meet the Press” alongside his successor as governor, Deval Patrick, where together they’ll celebrate the glories of Massachusetts health care while politely disagreeing on how marginal its differences with O-Care really are.

Elsewhere, Dianne Feinstein will explain on “Face the Nation” why the U.S. government data-mining its own citizens is fine but spying on foreigners is unconscionable. The full line-up is at Politico.


Related Posts:

Breaking on Hot Air

Blowback

Note from Hot Air management: This section is for comments from Hot Air's community of registered readers. Please don't assume that Hot Air management agrees with or otherwise endorses any particular comment just because we let it stand. A reminder: Anyone who fails to comply with our terms of use may lose their posting privilege.

Trackbacks/Pings

Trackback URL

Comments

will mitt say deval screwed it up once he took over?

cmsinaz on November 3, 2013 at 8:03 AM

So who is on the rest of the shows, since MTP is unwatchable?

txmomof6 on November 3, 2013 at 8:09 AM

Why do I get the feeling Mitt’s being used?

Dongemaharu on November 3, 2013 at 8:09 AM

Dongemaharu on November 3, 2013 at 8:09 AM

big time….david will play gotcha questions to Mitt and softballs to deval guaranteed

cmsinaz on November 3, 2013 at 8:11 AM

Good morning Allah. eon guessed the closest on what weapon was used at the LAX shooting.

Bmore on November 3, 2013 at 8:12 AM

I would like to see Romney give a detailed explanation of the Obamacare calamity and its future collapse. Let Americans, and Democrats, appreciate we passed this man over for empty chair.

rob verdi on November 3, 2013 at 8:17 AM

Healthcare spending is now 41% of GDP in Massachusetts, and is estimated to climb to over 50% by 2020.

Hot Gas on November 3, 2013 at 8:18 AM

I expect the fascist chorus to grow stronger on this one…

“Virginia Democrat Calls For Forcing Doctors To Accept Medicare And Medicaid Patients

You would think that when your party is burying a hole that is getting harder and harder to get out of, you wouldn’t want to that hole get deeper faster. But here is Kathleen Murphy, Democrat running for the House of Delegates against Barbara Comstock, telling a forum in Great Falls that she believes it should law to force doctors to accept Medicare and Medicaid patients. Forced by government decree, mind you. A birdie sent me this:

FYI last night at the Great Falls Grange debate, Democrat delegate candidate Kathleen Murphy said that since many doctors are not accepting medicaid and medicare patients, she advocates making it a legal requirement for those people to be accepted.
She did not recognize that the payments are inadequate to cover the doctors’ costs. She also did not recognize there is a shortage of over 45,000 physicians now and that it is forecast to be 90,000 in a few years.
Democrats appear to want to make physicians slaves of the state, but Democrats don’t admit they would just drive more doctors out of practice into retirement and other occupations. The Obamacare law and regulations are causing millions of people to lose their health insurance, drop many doctors and hospitals. The HHS internal forecast is 93 million Americans would lose their health insurance due to the Obamacare law and rules about adequacy of insurance.
Many more people will be uninsured. The penalties for being uninsured start at $95 per year, but the penalties can’t be collected by the IRS if a person does not have a tax refund to attach.
The out of pocket costs required by Obamacare’s Silver Plan for a non-smoking mother and father with two children making a gross before income taxes of $50,000 (roughly average salary for VA) would be $13,765 per year including the deductible of $10,400. That’s 28% of their gross income — not very affordable and about the same as guidelines for a mortgage payment. For such a family making $100,000 of gross income, The cost would be $21,431 including the deductible of $12,700, or 21% of gross income.
With such high deductibles doctors are stuck with trying to collect cash from the patients, even at regulated charge structures. Thus is makes sense for primary care doctors not to participate in Obamacare, medicare and medicaid. They should encourage patients to participate in Concierge Care and insurance programs run by the doctors themselves with patients who can do simple math. Patients can take out catastrophic insurance with high deductibles for major surgeries. Tax deductability for individual medical savings accounts would make health care more affordable.

The head of Obamacare programs, Berwick, loves the socialized medical system in the UK, but never mentions that malpractice insurance is minimal. In the UK, panels of doctors review and approve malpractice awards, rather than emotional juries misled by trial lawyers. Malpractice reform like this with caps on malpractice awards would go a long way in making health care affordable.
I hope physicians rise up and speak out for common sense, protecting quality medical care in the US and giving patients freedom to choose

THIS along with the fact that Terry McAuliffe has already said he’d go to the government shutdown mat to get a state exchange in Virginia. Unbelievable. Combine the chaos of thousands of people across Virginia losing their health insurance, we are going to add to that on the state level by forcing doctors to accept patients they can’t afford to help? Unbelievable. Dark days are ahead, but there is still time. Three days to make sure this does not happen.

Democrats in Virginia will drive up health care costs, drive doctors out of the state, and then drive health care costs up even more because there will not be enough doctors practicing in the state.

Vote Cuccinelli…”

http://masonconservative.typepad.com/the_mason_conservative/2013/11/virginia-democrat-calls-for-forcing-doctors-to-accept-medicare-and-medicaid-patients.html

workingclass artist on November 3, 2013 at 8:23 AM

the guy responsible for RomneyCare

This is overplayed. “RomneyCare” was the creation of the Democrat legislature, with Romney just trying to channel their socialist impulses as much as possible.
Of course, Obama actually had little to do with “Obamacare” other than just empowering the Democrats in Congress to go crazy with it without fear of veto.

Count to 10 on November 3, 2013 at 8:28 AM

i’ve voted for Mitt multiple times since i live in massachusetts.

But he lost and he should just disappear.

gerrym51 on November 3, 2013 at 8:29 AM

Mitt better come out swinging against Obamacare.

bluegill on November 3, 2013 at 8:30 AM

“Rep. Steve Cohen (D-Tenn.) who invited Sebelius to the city, bristled at some of the questions she was asked, saying “Change is hard. Get over it. Barack Obama is president, and the Affordable Care Act is the law.”

http://weaselzippers.us/2013/11/02/dem-rep-steve-cohen-tells-americans-worried-about-effects-of-obamacare-get-over-it/

workingclass artist on November 3, 2013 at 8:31 AM

Mitt better come out swinging against Obamacare.

bluegill on November 3, 2013 at 8:30 AM

Whatever – Sebelius

workingclass artist on November 3, 2013 at 8:33 AM

the guy responsible for RomneyCare

This is overplayed. “RomneyCare” was the creation of the Democrat legislature, with Romney just trying to channel their socialist impulses as much as possible.
Of course, Obama actually had little to do with “Obamacare” other than just empowering the Democrats in Congress to go crazy with it without fear of veto.

Count to 10 on November 3, 2013 at 8:28 AM

Romney’s official portrait has his signature legislative accomplishment on the table next to him.

workingclass artist on November 3, 2013 at 8:35 AM

Mitt is and was an idiot. This ridiculous distinction he keeps trying to establish between RomneyCare and ObamaCare is totally and completely lost on every voter forced to sit through the overly labored effort to explain it.

Give it up Mittney; you lost and RomneyCare is why. Stop trying to help the Democrats. Go away. Stop talking.

MTF on November 3, 2013 at 8:38 AM

“Virginia Democrat Calls For Forcing Doctors To Accept Medicare And Medicaid Patients

In a discussion with a friend of mine who was tepidly for Obama and ObamaCare, I asked him: “If I could wave my hand and tomorrow have twice as many doctors, twice as many hospitals, twice as many health insurance agencies, and twice as many pharmaceuticals competing for my business, what would be the impact on the cost of health care and its availability?”

He conceded that under those conditions, the price would go down and the availability go up.

“Then why, ” I asked him, “Is this administration pursuing policies that will discourage people and businesses from going into health care?”

PackerBronco on November 3, 2013 at 8:43 AM

He lost because of a complicit media. Take their current reporting on Obamacare, all info which we are learning was available a year ago, and ask why they are now just disclosing. Mix in factual reporting on what we know about Benghazi and the IRS–Mitt wins going away. It was a stolen election.

hillsoftx on November 3, 2013 at 8:51 AM

We are vastly underestimating what the hard left is doing with zerocare.
they have set it up so that the outrageous prices, high deductibles, small percentages that zero care pays and the rest are all ameliorated by subsidies and Medicaid. They use both at a whim regardless of whether the person applying is qualified or not. Between the subsidies and Medicaid they will cover many who otherwise would have been paying fines.
Guess who gets to pick up the tab for the subsidies and the $5,500 per person Medicaid costs–look into the mirror for most of us.

rodguy911 on November 3, 2013 at 8:55 AM

We are vastly underestimating what the hard left is doing with zerocare.
they have set it up so that the outrageous prices, high deductibles, small percentages that zero care pays and the rest are all ameliorated by subsidies and Medicaid. They use both at a whim regardless of whether the person applying is qualified or not. Between the subsidies and Medicaid they will cover many who otherwise would have been paying fines.
Guess who gets to pick up the tab for the subsidies and the $5,500 per person Medicaid costs–look into the mirror for most of us.

rodguy911 on November 3, 2013 at 8:55 AM

See also:

It’s not a failure, it’s Obama’s grand success.
It’s not a “trainwreck,” ObamaCare is a suicide attack. He wants to hurt us, to bring us
to our knees, to capitulate- so we agree under duress to accept big government.
Obama’s hero and mentor was Saul Alinsky — a radical Marxist intent on destroying
capitalism. Alinksky’s stated advice was to call the other guy “a terrorist” to hide your
own intentions.
To scream that the other guy is “ruining America,” while you are the one actually
plotting the destruction of America. To claim again and again…in every sentence of
every speech…that you are “saving the middle class,” while you are busy wiping out
the middle class.
The GOP is so stupid they can’t see it. There are no mistakes here. This is a planned
purposeful attack.
The tell-tale sign isn’t the disastrous start to ObamaCare. Or the devastating effect the
new taxes are having on the economy. Or the death of full-time jobs. Or the
overwhelming debt. Or the dramatic increases in health insurance rates. Or the 70% of
doctors now thinking of retiring- bringing on a healthcare crisis of unimaginable
proportions. Forget all that.
The real sign that this is a purposeful attack upon capitalism is how many Obama
administration members and Democratic Congressmen are openly calling Tea Party
Republicans and anyone who wants to stop ObamaCare “terrorists.”
There’s the clue. Even the clueless GOP should be able to see that.
They are calling the reasonable people…the patriots…the people who believe in the
Constitution … the people who believe exactly what the Founding Fathers believed…the
people who want to take power away from corrupt politicians who have put America
$17 trillion in debt…terrorists?
That’s because they are Saul Alinsky-ing the GOP. The people trying to purposely hurt
America, capitalism and the middle class…are calling the patriots by a terrible name to
fool, confuse and distract the public.
ObamaCare is a raving, rollicking, fantastic success. Stop calling it a failure. Here is
what it was created to do. It is succeeding on all counts:
1. ObamaCare was intended to bring about the Marxist dream — redistribution of
wealth.

Rich people, small business owners, and the middle class are being robbed, so that the
money can be redistributed to poor people (who vote for Democrats).
Think about it. If you’re rich or middle class, you now have to pay for your own health
care costs (at much higher rates) AND 40 million other people’s costs too (through
massive tax increases).
So you’re stuck paying for both bills. You are left broke. Brilliant.
2. ObamaCare was intended to wipe out the middle class and make them dependent on
government.

Think about it. Even Obama’s IRS predicts that health insurance for a typical American
family by 2016 will be $20,000 per year. But how would middle class Americans pay
that bill and have anything left for food or housing or living? People that make $40K, or
$50K, or $60K can’t possibly hope to spend $20K on health insurance without
becoming homeless.
Bingo. That’s how you make middle class people dependent on government. That’s
how you make everyone addicted to government checks. Brilliant.
3. As a bonus, ObamaCare is intended to kill every decent paying job in the economy,
creating only crummy, crappy part-time jobs.

Why? Just to make sure the middle class is trapped, with no way out. Just to make
sure no one has the $20,000 per year to pay for health insurance, thereby guaranteeing
they become wards of the state. Brilliant.
4. ObamaCare is intended to bankrupt small business, and therefore starve donations
to the GOP.

Think about it. Do you know a small business owner? I know hundreds of them. Their
rates are being doubled, tripled and quadrupled by ObamaCare.
Guess who writes 75% of the checks to Republican candidates and conservative
causes? Small Business.
Even if a small business owner manages to survive, he or she certainly can’t write a
big check to the GOP anymore. Money is the “mother’s milk” of politics. Without
donations, a political party ceases to exist. Bingo.
That’s the point of ObamaCare. Obama is bankrupting his political opposition and
drying up donations to the GOP. Brilliant.
5. ObamaCare is intended to make the IRS all-powerful.
It adds thousands of new IRS agents. It puts the IRS in charge of overseeing 15% of the
U.S. economy. The IRS has the right because of ObamaCare to snoop into every aspect
of your life, to go into your bank accounts, to fine you, to frighten you, to intimidate
you. And Obama and his socialist cabal have access to your deepest medical secrets.
By law your doctor has to ask your sexual history. That information is now in the
hands of Obama and the IRS to blackmail GOP candidates into either not running, or
supporting bigger government, or leaking the info and ruining your campaign.
Or have you forgotten the IRS harassed, intimidated and persecuted critics of Obama
and conservative groups?
Now Obama hands the IRS even more power. Big Brother rules our lives. Brilliant.
6. ObamaCare is intended to unionize 15 million healthcare workers.
That produces $15 billion in new union dues. That money goes to fund Democratic
candidates and socialist causes — thereby guaranteeing Obama’s friends never lose
another election, and Obama’s policies keep ruining capitalism and bankrupting
business owners long after he’s out of office.
Message to the GOP: This isn’t a game. This isn’t tiddly-winks. This is a serious,
purposeful attempt to highjack America and destroy capitalism.
This isn’t a trainwreck. It’s purposeful suicide.
It’s not failing, it’s working exactly according to plan. Obama knows what he’s doing.
Stop apologizing and start fighting.
Oh and one more thing…Conservatives aren’t “terrorists.” We are patriots and saviors.
We represent the Constitution and the Founding Fathers. We are the heroes and good
guys. Unless you get all this through your thick skulls, America is lost…forever.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/10/21/why-obamacare-is-fantastic-success/

Murphy9 on November 2, 2013 at 8:52 PM

As always, Keep Voting Democrat!

Murphy9 on November 3, 2013 at 8:58 AM

The MSM is irrelevant.

WhatSlushfund on November 3, 2013 at 9:00 AM

“Then why, ” I asked him, “Is this administration pursuing policies that will discourage people and businesses from going into health care?”

PackerBronco on November 3, 2013 at 8:43 AM

Did he have an answer??

esr1951 on November 3, 2013 at 9:04 AM

We are vastly underestimating what the hard left is doing with zerocare.
they have set it up so that the outrageous prices, high deductibles, small percentages that zero care pays and the rest are all ameliorated by subsidies and Medicaid. They use both at a whim regardless of whether the person applying is qualified or not. Between the subsidies and Medicaid they will cover many who otherwise would have been paying fines.
Guess who gets to pick up the tab for the subsidies and the $5,500 per person Medicaid costs–look into the mirror for most of us.

rodguy911 on November 3, 2013 at 8:55 AM

Economically…ideologically…racially…etc.

Divide & Conquer…It’s what’s for breakfast

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2013/0227/Obama-s-divide-and-conquer-strategy-Is-it-really-about-destroying-GOP

workingclass artist on November 3, 2013 at 9:04 AM

http://swampland.time.com/2013/11/02/the-hunt-for-pufferfish/

Ted Newton, managing Project Goldfish under Myers, had come into the vet liking Christie for his brashness and straight talk. Now, surveying the sum and substance of what the team was finding, Newton told his colleagues, If Christie had been in the nomination fight against us, we would have destroyed him—he wouldn’t be able to run for governor again. When you look below the surface, Newton said, it’s not pretty.

Christie would be a terrible nominee. Hillary would pick him apart.

bluegill on November 3, 2013 at 9:04 AM

Why do I get the feeling Mitt’s being used?

Dongemaharu on November 3, 2013 at 8:09 AM

Must be paranoia. President Romney is a lion of principle who takes on the media at every opportunity.

rrpjr on November 3, 2013 at 9:05 AM

Drudge has it out for Christie, thank goodness.

bluegill on November 3, 2013 at 9:06 AM

Emmanuel Ezekiel is a weasel (sorry S. Weasel), trying redefine the meaning of “grandfathered” policy definitions. He’s a smartass progressive who knows everything about everything. JACKASS!

ExpressoBold on November 3, 2013 at 9:09 AM

This Obama doctor on Chris Matthews show is an insufferable ahole.

birdwatcher on November 3, 2013 at 9:12 AM

He lost because of a complicit media. Take their current reporting on Obamacare, all info which we are learning was available a year ago, and ask why they are now just disclosing. Mix in factual reporting on what we know about Benghazi and the IRS–Mitt wins going away. It was a stolen election.

hillsoftx on November 3, 2013 at 8:51 AM

Romney lost because he was a weak candidate. Being good on TV wasn’t enough. Politics is a blood sport and Romney didn’t want to get his hands dirty in public. Voters will vote for a fighter and Romney wasn’t much of a fighter.

Independents will usually vote for the incumbent unless given a compelling reason = contrast as an alternative.

Unlike Reagan…Romney and his record in MA wasn’t compelling enough.

It didn’t help that some voters either stayed home.

workingclass artist on November 3, 2013 at 9:13 AM

FNS with Emmanual is expectedly explosive.
Lies, blaming ins companies, etc etc etc.

pambi on November 3, 2013 at 9:13 AM

i really despise Candy…everything is the gop’s fault and its the end of the gop as we know it…

ayotte is such a squish…geez

i didn’t support the shutdown, waaaaaaa

cmsinaz on November 3, 2013 at 9:18 AM

i really despise Candy…everything is the gop’s fault and its the end of the gop as we know it…
ayotte is such a squish…geez
i didn’t support the shutdown, waaaaaaa
cmsinaz on November 3, 2013 at 9:18 AM

Ayotte always sounds like she is about to cry.

bluegill on November 3, 2013 at 9:21 AM

Virginia Democrat Calls For Forcing Doctors To Accept Medicare And Medicaid Patients

They’re not going to have to “force”. It’s a matter of necessity. What are you going to do when in a state like Texas more than 60 percent of women pregnant who are “covered” by anything are on Medicaid? You accept it or starve. At my hospital there isn’t an OB MD on staff who doesn’t take it now, a far cry from 10 years ago. Medicaid pays about 60 percent of what a good insurance would, and 100 percent of 60 percent is better than 100 percent of nothing.

Marcus on November 3, 2013 at 9:22 AM

bluegill on November 3, 2013 at 9:21 AM

yup…

so disappointed with her

cmsinaz on November 3, 2013 at 9:25 AM

Emmanuel Ezekiel is a weasel (sorry S. Weasel), trying redefine the meaning of “grandfathered” policy definitions. He’s a smartass progressive who knows everything about everything. JACKASS!

ExpressoBold on November 3, 2013 at 9:09 AM

I thought the best part was when he compared insurance plans to new car safety regulations. Comparing airbags in cars to healthcare… damn near lost my voice yelling at that commie “doctor”. My individual plan has changed at least twice since 2010. I’m losing my current plan for a new compliant plan under Bluecross.

oryguncon on November 3, 2013 at 9:30 AM

They’re not going to have to “force”. It’s a matter of necessity. What are you going to do when in a state like Texas more than 60 percent of women pregnant who are “covered” by anything are on Medicaid? You accept it or starve. At my hospital there isn’t an OB MD on staff who doesn’t take it now, a far cry from 10 years ago. Medicaid pays about 60 percent of what a good insurance would, and 100 percent of 60 percent is better than 100 percent of nothing.

Marcus on November 3, 2013 at 9:22 AM

Long term it means they quit the field or you know, it becomes single payer gov run healthcare where the government tells everyone how much they make, where they work and what care they get. Aka we’re all slaves to the government in one way or another.

Its good ol supply vs demand.

oryguncon on November 3, 2013 at 9:32 AM

Hope they keep using Emmanual to promote o’care. He is such a raving maniac. Really will turn people off.

Barred on November 3, 2013 at 9:33 AM

♫♪ Willie the Wimp and his Cadillac (healthcare) Coffin ♫♪
Would be doing all of us a favor if he would just fade away – maybe back to his daddy’s polygamist cult in Mess’ko. He was and is an embarrassment.
~(Ä)~

Karl Magnus on November 3, 2013 at 9:35 AM

Praise God!

dominigan on November 3, 2013 at 9:36 AM

Praise God!

dominigan on November 3, 2013 at 9:36 AM

Indeed!

Murphy9 on November 3, 2013 at 9:39 AM

I thought the best part was …

oryguncon on November 3, 2013 at 9:30 AM

.
He’s the hated “listen to me, I’m right” arrogant jackass that just turns off everyone but the most submissive. I hope they keep using him to promote Øbamacare because he will irritate even ardent supporters. There were lots of “best parts” but his lecturing, domineering, arrogant, irritated, superior tone was all good if you want to point to the kinds of jerks that inhabit the Øbama administration.

ExpressoBold on November 3, 2013 at 9:40 AM

will mitt say deval screwed it up once he took over?

cmsinaz on November 3, 2013 at 8:03 AM

More than likely. He and the rest of the RINO poseurs are an embarrassment.
Mittens should just tend to his “bishop” duties.
“Healthcare” is not something anyone in his family need be concerned about.
~(Ä)~

Karl Magnus on November 3, 2013 at 9:40 AM

Virginia Democrat Calls For Forcing Doctors To Accept Medicare And Medicaid Patients

They’re not going to have to “force”. It’s a matter of necessity. What are you going to do when in a state like Texas more than 60 percent of women pregnant who are “covered” by anything are on Medicaid? You accept it or starve. At my hospital there isn’t an OB MD on staff who doesn’t take it now, a far cry from 10 years ago. Medicaid pays about 60 percent of what a good insurance would, and 100 percent of 60 percent is better than 100 percent of nothing.

Marcus on November 3, 2013 at 9:22 AM

Forcing a MD to accept certain patients smacks of indentured servitude.

annoyinglittletwerp on November 3, 2013 at 9:44 AM

ExpressoBold on November 3, 2013 at 9:40 AM

Kudos³.
~(Ä)~

Karl Magnus on November 3, 2013 at 9:45 AM

He’s the hated “listen to me, I’m right” arrogant jackass that just turns off everyone but the most submissive. I hope they keep using him to promote Øbamacare because he will irritate even ardent supporters. There were lots of “best parts” but his lecturing, domineering, arrogant, irritated, superior tone was all good if you want to point to the kinds of jerks that inhabit the Øbama administration.
ExpressoBold on November 3, 2013 at 9:40 AM

Isn’t he the same guy who advocated putting chemicals in the water supply to make certain groups of people infertile, as a way to reduce overpopulation of “parasite” humans destroying the earth?

bluegill on November 3, 2013 at 9:45 AM

annoyinglittletwerp on November 3, 2013 at 9:44 AM

An

annoyinglittletwerp on November 3, 2013 at 9:45 AM

“ The report, released Monday by the Texas Public Policy Foundation, says premiums for health insurance plans will increase for young, healthy Texans under the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare. The health care law requires private insurers to cover essential health benefits and establishes a federal marketplace for insurers to sell coverage plans, among other requirements.

The report concludes that premiums will be on average “significantly higher than coverage available on the individual market in Texas prior to the ACA.” Nonetheless, it concedes that comparing pre- and post-ACA health care plans “presents some difficulties” because of the costs associated with mandating that health plans cover essential benefits, and because the impact on individuals will vary depending on age, gender, location and other factors.

As an example, the report highlights changes in premiums for catastrophic plans for young people living in metropolitan areas. Catastrophic plans have lower premiums than comprehensive plans but provide protection only from worst-case scenarios. John Davidson, the report’s author, said those plans are the most attractive to young, healthy Texans, and that they operate “the most like insurance” of any health care plan in the insurance marketplace.

For a 27-year-old, non-smoking male in Austin, low-cost catastrophic plans on the exchange, which are available only to those under 30 or those with low incomes who qualify, will be on average 84 percent more expensive than pre-ACA catastrophic plans,” the report found.

Proponents of the health care law, however, say the comparisons are misleading.

Stacey Pogue, a senior policy analyst for the left-leaning Center for Public Policy Priorities, says the pre-ACA premiums — what she calls “teaser rates” — analyzed in the report do not reflect average rates paid on the individual market. “These are the advertised rates by insurers,” she said. “Some young, healthy people get the teaser rate, but certainly not everybody does. To represent that as the average rate is misleading.”

Davidson rebuffs the term “teaser rate,” preferring “listed rate.” “Rather than just take the lowest one that was advertised, we averaged the three lowest ones we could find to come up with an average picture of the low-cost catastrophic rates in Texas,” he said.

Plans available under the Affordable Care Act are more comprehensive, Pogue said. They cover more medical services, including pre-existing conditions, and have lower out-of-pocket maximum costs. On the other hand, the pre-ACA insurance market is one “where the policies you can buy are full of holes, whether it’s mental health coverage or out-of-pocket costs that can be up to $13,000 a year,” Pogue said.

Davidson agrees that policies will change under the ACA, and he attributes their higher costs to those changes. “It’s precisely because of the changes in the plans that they’re more expensive,” he said. “And they’re most expensive for the people who had the ability to get the cheapest insurance before the ACA.”

The federal government will offer relief for some facing higher costs in the marketplace. Texans with incomes between 100 and 400 percent of the federal poverty threshold will qualify for subsidies to offset higher health insurance premiums. Texans below the federal poverty line will not qualify for those subsidies and are instead encouraged to apply for Medicaid, although many will not qualify for Medicaid either. Gov. Rick Perry and the Texas Legislature did not to expand the program to cover impoverished adults, with many citing concerns about a system they say is not efficient…

The TPPF report says many Texans in their late 20s and early 30s will not qualify for subsidies because their incomes are too high. “Young, working Texans are most likely to bear the brunt of these higher costs,” the report says. “Premiums for ACA-compliant plans for Texans in their late 20s and early 30s are significantly higher than pre-ACA plans currently on the individual market.” The report says that those individuals have little incentive to follow the ACA mandate that they enroll in an insurance plan, and predicts that many will instead opt to pay a fine rather than sign up for a plan.

Health care officials say the exchange system under the ACA will depend on having a broad participant base, not just the elderly and afflicted…”

http://www.brownsvilleherald.com/news/article_e7b286c6-40cf-11e3-bea5-001a4bcf6878.html

workingclass artist on November 3, 2013 at 9:47 AM

Get ready for an influx of under-educated, Third World, non-English speaking “doctors” or “PAs” (Physician Assistants) who can’t pass the AMA Cert. exam.
Last I checked, M.D.s were being reimbursed at 35 cents per dollar for Medicare/Medicaid services rendered. Now, I axe you, would YOU waste TEN+ years of your life to be so underpaid?
~(Ä)~

Karl Magnus on November 3, 2013 at 9:50 AM

Praise God!

dominigan on November 3, 2013 at 9:36 AM

Awesome is our God !
Coolness.

pambi on November 3, 2013 at 9:51 AM

The “convention” lie again… Bayh you suck, stop lying… 2009 was a convention also, McDonnell nominated.. lying bastard.

ExpressoBold on November 3, 2013 at 9:53 AM

Oh great the head RINO who basically started Marxist care gets to shill for Marxist care.

bgibbs1000 on November 3, 2013 at 9:53 AM

MTF on November 3, 2013 at 8:38 AM

.
You’re deluded if you think the LoFos – the majority of Americans- out there were persuaded by Romney’s involvement with Mass Healthcare. The structural issues of this country are not a primary concern to most voters. He lost because he hated women, contraception and abortion reasons. He lost because he hated poor people and would take away their food stamps. He lost because he was rich, white and campaigned on not giving out the free stuff.
Americans want free stuff over anything else.
.
That’s how you win elections, promise people a better life- and that’s how you end up $17 trillion in debt.
.
Detroit? That’s some other guys problem.

FlaMurph on November 3, 2013 at 9:54 AM

Praise God!

dominigan on November 3, 2013 at 9:36 AM

…awesome!…thank you for that link!

KOOLAID2 on November 3, 2013 at 10:04 AM

MTF on November 3, 2013 at 8:38 AM

.
You’re deluded if you think the LoFos – the majority of Americans- out there were persuaded by Romney’s involvement with Mass Healthcare. The structural issues of this country are not a primary concern to most voters. He lost because he hated women, contraception and abortion reasons. He lost because he hated poor people and would take away their food stamps. He lost because he was rich, white and campaigned on not giving out the free stuff.
Americans want free stuff over anything else.
.
That’s how you win elections, promise people a better life- and that’s how you end up $17 trillion in debt.
.
Detroit? That’s some other guys problem.

FlaMurph on November 3, 2013 at 9:54 AM

ID Politics.

But there are also cycles…and the next cycle will prove Tip O’Neill’s maxim

“All politics is local”

Obama with his signature legislative accomplishment has hit the middle class directly in their pocketbooks & he’s managed to elevate Carter by comparison…

The Democrats are stuck on Historical Candidates and ID Politics…which might work again as it did before…But maybe not since it requires turnout of the disaffected.

But writers in the media are being hit with that nifty program so many endorsed…

So I guess we’ll see…But I don’t see huge turnout across the nation for Killary.

workingclass artist on November 3, 2013 at 10:05 AM

Detroit? That’s some other guys problem.

FlaMurph on November 3, 2013 at 9:54 AM

True…Until Detroit plays at a theatre near you.

workingclass artist on November 3, 2013 at 10:09 AM

Ayotte always sounds like she is about to cry.

bluegill on November 3, 2013 at 9:21 AM

The McCainiac chameleon has proven that she is willing to prevaricate and will say anything to be elected. We tried to warn y’all, and not just about her, but all of the others whom Annie Coulter endorsed, like Miss Kwiss Kwispie.
~(Ä)~

Karl Magnus on November 3, 2013 at 10:11 AM

FlaMurph on November 3, 2013 at 9:54 AM

Willard the Wimp lost because he is, well, a WIMP, a wuss in expensive suits.
And his is empty too.
~(Ä)~

Karl Magnus on November 3, 2013 at 10:13 AM

*facepalm*

“Conspiracy theorists, be on alert. Hollywood icon Tom Hanks may not have been joking when he said he wanted President Obama to run for a third term — over the prohibitions of the Constitution.

Mr. Hanks, who’s starring in the soon-to-be-released “Captain Phillips” and was in Washington, D.C., this week for a premiere showing at the Newseum, declared his choice for president for 2016: Mr. Obama, The Hill reported.

“I’m voting for Barack Obama, 2016,” he said. “Yes I am. Four more years.”

Mr. Hanks reportedly laughed while speaking.

But do a Bing search on “Obama seeks third term,” and the more than 2 million hits that come back reveal the notion is both widely discussed and widely reported. MSN, for instance, in August reported on an investor — Porter Stansberry — who claims the president is secretly planning a third term.

U.S. News reported on that same Baltimore businessman’s claim in 2012…”

Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/4/tom-hanks-quips-four-more-years-obama/#ixzz2jazrbBMO
Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter

workingclass artist on November 3, 2013 at 10:14 AM

workingclass artist on November 3, 2013 at 10:14 AM

Even the CREW under “Captain Phillips” called him a liar and a coward.
May we move on now, or do we need Hollywood to dredge up yet another alleged heroic American whenever and wherever they show their dirty faces.
REAL heroism is ignored by the Leftist bourgeoisie. And Hanks would know.
~(Ä)~

Karl Magnus on November 3, 2013 at 10:18 AM

Zeke E cracked me up the other night on Kelly’s show when he obviously got annoyed at her questioning on our liar in chief’s keep your plan lie and he started calling her Miss Kelly, Miss Kelly as if she was some sophomore in one of his classes who was too stupid to understand his mental greatness. Typical arrogant know it all sob prog.

Kissmygrits on November 3, 2013 at 10:20 AM

and when federal funds get ripped out of romneycare and it collapses- mostly on the poor and working poor-will mitt finally admit it’s a fraud filled unworkable piece of doo doo?

he had nothing to do with romneycare besides signing his name to it-after unsuccessfully trying to veto portions. it is nothing to be proud of in any case-especilly for someone who ran on their business and executive experience.

his minime scott brown was bloviating on fb about the glories of romneycare this past week( as a Ma legislator brown voted for it). i voted for both of them but there is nothing nobel or good about being entirely unable to admit you are blanking wrong.the economics of both laws are clearly dysfunctional. it is unconstitutional to force someone to buy a private product because they are breathing on a certain space of land-whether the state or the federal government tries to do it. it upends every single premise of the declaration of independence and the bill of rights. if these 2 boobs think that just because the state does it it’s better they’re self serving fools and perhaps moral morons.

but they were the best fools we had at those moments. maybe folly needed more than a pound of flesh to exact enough painful awareness in order for us to right our republic.

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20131029/OPINION01/310290010/1008/OPINION01/Romneycare-foretells-Obamacare-failures

mittens on November 3, 2013 at 10:23 AM

you know whats more entertaining than watching the sunday shows?

reading bluegills cya for sucking up to mitt posts.

schadenfreudelicious

renalin on November 3, 2013 at 10:26 AM

…and I’m going to be quiet!

KOOLAID2 on November 3, 2013 at 10:37 AM

Zeke E cracked me up …

Kissmygrits on November 3, 2013 at 10:20 AM

.
Zeke E… LOL Like a rapper name except he’s a “wrapper.” LOL

ExpressoBold on November 3, 2013 at 10:41 AM

workingclass artist on November 3, 2013 at 10:14 AM

Even the CREW under “Captain Phillips” called him a liar and a coward.
May we move on now, or do we need Hollywood to dredge up yet another alleged heroic American whenever and wherever they show their dirty faces.
REAL heroism is ignored by the Leftist bourgeoisie. And Hanks would know.
~(Ä)~

Karl Magnus on November 3, 2013 at 10:18 AM

Ummmm…

I posted the link because I think if Dem’s win control of both houses they’ll move to repeal term limits cause Obama is doing such a bang up job transforming the country or something…

Far fetched I know…But Obama was far fetched in 2008 and he got re-elected…so there’s that…

workingclass artist on November 3, 2013 at 10:48 AM

Another MSM Sunday, another wasteland of lost oppportunity for the pathetic pacifist GOP.

rrpjr on November 3, 2013 at 11:13 AM

Virginia Democrat Calls For Forcing Doctors To Accept Medicare And Medicaid Patients

They’re not going to have to “force”. It’s a matter of necessity. What are you going to do when in a state like Texas more than 60 percent of women pregnant who are “covered” by anything are on Medicaid? You accept it or starve. At my hospital there isn’t an OB MD on staff who doesn’t take it now, a far cry from 10 years ago. Medicaid pays about 60 percent of what a good insurance would, and 100 percent of 60 percent is better than 100 percent of nothing.

Marcus on November 3, 2013 at 9:22 AM

I don’t know, doc.
At some point, docs will calculate the bottom line- what they are actually getting paid for an hour of their work.
How low of an hourly wage do you think docs will accept?

justltl on November 3, 2013 at 11:13 AM

workingclass artist on November 3, 2013 at 10:48 AM

Just the facts, ma’am, just the facts.
The Petulant Pissant looks for heros in all the wrong places.
~(Ä)~

Karl Magnus on November 3, 2013 at 11:14 AM

workingclass artist on November 3, 2013 at 8:31 AM

I am so sick of this “law of the land” argument when they ignore it when they want to. Immigration? Border fence?

Cindy Munford on November 3, 2013 at 11:28 AM

Does Gov. Romney live in MA anymore?

Cindy Munford on November 3, 2013 at 11:31 AM

dominigan on November 3, 2013 at 9:36 AM

Another heartbreak for Allah.

Cindy Munford on November 3, 2013 at 11:38 AM

The Republican establishment that will not fight against the Dems wants our support. they don’t even go through the motions. Satisfied with the leftover political spoils as long as the gravy train continues. No more RINOs. And yes I worked for and supported Brown & Romney. No more.

philw1776 on November 3, 2013 at 11:49 AM

The Sunday morning chat shows are so predictable.
A Sunday night open thread for “The Walking Dead” would be much more interesting. Zombies appear on all these shows, but it’s ok to kill the zombies on TWD with an arrow through the head. Can’t do that on MTP, FTN or to Candy Crowley.

SheVee on November 3, 2013 at 11:55 AM

Leftists and their useful idiots, liberals, love love love the idea of single payer.

And when single payer comes along, as it inevitably will, I’m quite certain that the payer (government) will be extremely concerned about the quality of the docs in the system. Just like they will be extremely concerned about the overall level and quality of medical care that their subjects receive. Because the government cares about us.

And don’t worry, politics will never ever ever be a factor in determining your care.

And leftists laughing spread their wings. Hat tip Black Sabbath. And the liberal morons will have no clue whatsoever what has really happened to the quality of medical care. Because the government and the New York Times will tell them that the old system was substandard and the new system is, despite its ‘glitches’, infinitely better.

justltl on November 3, 2013 at 12:12 PM

A little late for the Network Liberal Propaganda Festival; let’s get caught up:

“Meet the Press” on NBC
• GOP
• Lib
• Kook Lib

3 Liberals, one centrist, 0 Conservatives

“Face the Nation” on CBS
• Lib
• GOP
• Pentagon Pensioner

2 Libs, 1 centrist, 0 Conservatives, and one self-concerned douche.

“This Week” on ABC
• Libertarian
• Scum Lib
• Lib

3 Liberals, 1 Libertarian, and 0 Conservatives (I sense a them developing…)

“Fox News Sunday” on Fox
• RINO
• RINO
• RINO
• Lib (who pretends to be otherwise)

Three centrist RINOs, 1 Liberal, and one neutral Democrat — 0 Conservatives, natch.

“State of the Union” on CNN
• Conservative (Hey!)
• RINO
• Former Conservative

1 Liberal, 1 Conservative (!), and 2 more GOPers. All GOP Grudge Match lined up to foment disunity among the Right.

“Political Capital” on Bloomberg TV
• Libertarian

Strange, one-voice lineup … with Lefty moderator, natch.

“Newsmakers” on C-SPAN
• Lib

Lib on Lib.

“Al Punto” on Univision
• Conservative!
• Racist Lib
• Racist Lib
• Conservative, I think

The Racist News Show, with their LaRaza lineup jarred by the presence of a non-racist Hispanic Conservative. Hilarity ensues…

Another Epic Sunday Fail by the Democrat Media Ministry of Propaganda. But you saw that coming, didn’t you?

Jaibones on November 3, 2013 at 12:13 PM

Praise God!

dominigan on November 3, 2013 at 9:36 AM

Wow! Praise Him, indeed.

Jaibones on November 3, 2013 at 12:15 PM

Another heartbreak for Allah.

Cindy Munford on November 3, 2013 at 11:38 AM

I believe that’s “Heartache”, just to be clear. Hahahahaha.

Jaibones on November 3, 2013 at 12:16 PM

It doesn’t really matter if the Massachusetts plan is exactly like Obamacare or not. It is like comparing apples and oranges for a couple of reasons:

1. Massachusetts is a STATE plan that the people wanted. They are happy with it, they wanted it, it was done in a way they wanted. That’s fine. It was not shoved down their throats.

2. Massachusetts’ plan *reduced* health care premiums in the state by an average of around 20%. Obama’s plan *increases* average premiums.

3. Massachusetts had a very small number of people without insurance and they already had a state program to cover them which was eliminated under the plan enacted when Romney was governor so it actually *saved* the state money.

4. In Massachusetts nobody gets a “free ride”. Everyone pays *something* into the system even if it is a small amount.

5. The law that Massachusetts passed is not the law Romney proposed. Romney had a line item veto and vetoed six entire sections of the law which the legislature had modified adding in such things as an employer mandate what Romney didn’t want. The legislature overrode his veto and put all six sections back into the bill.

But the most important thing is this was done with the support of the people of MA and it is what they wanted. Obamacare was shoved down the throats of the nation by a House that had largely been thrown out of office.

crosspatch on November 3, 2013 at 12:17 PM

5. The law that Massachusetts passed is not the law Romney proposed. Romney had a line item veto and vetoed six entire sections of the law which the legislature had modified adding in such things as an employer mandate what Romney didn’t want. The legislature overrode his veto and put all six sections back into the bill.

crosspatch on November 3, 2013 at 12:17 PM

You’re dealing with many RDSers here. This fact of Romneycare was explained to them ad infinitum all last year, and all of them refused to believe it was true. But it was true then, and still is true now.

FYI, a lot of “Romneycare” was in fact written by the Democrats, not by Romney himself. And as I recall he vetoed eight sections of the law, not six.

Del Dolemonte on November 3, 2013 at 12:35 PM

FlaMurph on November 3, 2013 at 9:54 AM

Even though the writing is clumsy I have to assume this is tongue-in-cheek.

Obviously the issue of ObamaCare had to be ceded by Romney to Obama; it had to be. Here it was, the single most powerful issue in the campaign with the GOP base and Romney only got himself in trouble trying to talk about it.

What a mess of a candidate and what an incomparably poorly run campaign.

MTF on November 3, 2013 at 12:35 PM

Sunday is a good day for confession: voting for Mittens in 2012 was the worst vote I’ve cast since voting for Algore in 2000.

Ah.

Feeling better now.

Bruno Strozek on November 3, 2013 at 1:13 PM

So, did Mittens punk the MSM for getting Banghazi and Obamacare wrong?

Doubtful…

Khun Joe on November 3, 2013 at 1:21 PM

More than 60 percent of women pregnant who are “covered” by anything are on Medicaid? You accept it or starve. At my hospital there isn’t an OB MD on staff who doesn’t take it now, a far cry from 10 years ago.

Marcus.

Nationwide that statistic is that 50% of babies born are paid for by Medicaid.

I think we should require CITIZENSHIP for Medicaid, not letting the legal immigrants qualify as they do now, and all those illegals that Joe Wilson said would get ObamaCAID? He was right, just give them a legal “green card” to work legally and they are eligible for Medicaid. That is why the Spanish Language version of Healthcare.gov is Broke. You can’t have those numbers before the Virginia election!

Along with the bill that says doctors can’t refuse Medicaid, they need to require a sliding scale co pay up front to make a difference at the medical office. People who are getting the expanded Medicaid make the same amount of income that people buying a Bronze plan with a high deductible and high copays do, it’s just that they pay for their own, Housing, Food, Bills, etc. In MA you can collect more than $50K in benefits if you are poor, which the other guy has to make at least $70K to keep the $50K. Medicaid can’t continue to be offered without copays for all, the reason we are told that the Bronze plan has high deductibles and copays is because you might ABUSE your individual plan if they didn’t. Let’s have the same laws if you are going to say no one can refuse Medicaid.

In MA the perps use their EBT card for BAIL money, so they can use it when they are seen for a suspicious wound. USE your EBT card for the copay.

I know poor people don’t have any money, well, neither does anyone else.

Fleuries on November 3, 2013 at 2:07 PM

Romney endorsed Chris Christie and Jeb Bush for President in 2016, but would not endorse Cruz. He kept talking about who was the most “Electable”. Where did we hear that before. It’s like a broken record with these moderates, yet he kept saying they were conservatives. Haven’t we learned anything?

lea on November 3, 2013 at 2:10 PM

Inevitable

Schadenfreude on November 3, 2013 at 2:38 PM

Ezekiel E. also stated that with so many uninsured, there is serious cost shifting going on to those who are insured. That is true! But I would prefer that the hospitals or Medicare, which supports immigrants who go to the ER, handle the cost shifting rather than the feds.

Under O-Care, the feds bake the cost shifting into your premium and into your now way overblown plan. All this one size fits all premium BS is just a way of getting you to pay for the premiums for the poor or chronically sick. Plus, now we are also shifting costs away from care and into new bureaucracies which will eat the treasury alive.

So, it doesn’t end cost shifting, it just puts leftists like Lois Lerner in charge of it.

PattyJ on November 3, 2013 at 4:52 PM

BTW, Obama’s Gallup rating is down to 40%. Damn that Ted Cruz and his anti-Obamacare crusade!

xblade on November 3, 2013 at 5:04 PM

Did he have an answer??

esr1951 on November 3, 2013 at 9:04 AM

Not really. He just sort of mumbled something about “all politicians are a bunch of crooks” and then we went on to other topics. So, he lumped together the people who supported ObamaCare and people who opposed ObamaCare together as being as trustworthy.

PackerBronco on November 3, 2013 at 6:15 PM

Not surprisingly, Yahoo News calls these rather mild comments by Mitt “lashing out” at Obama.

ugottabekiddingme on November 3, 2013 at 6:26 PM

FlaMurph on November 3, 2013 at 9:54 AM

Even though the writing is clumsy I have to assume this is tongue-in-cheek.

Obviously the issue of ObamaCare had to be ceded by Romney to Obama; it had to be. Here it was, the single most powerful issue in the campaign with the GOP base and Romney only got himself in trouble trying to talk about it.

What a mess of a candidate and what an incomparably poorly run campaign.

MTF on November 3, 2013 at 12:35 PM

.
Your assumption s wrong.
If you were paying attention, you would know Mitt lost because for exactly the reasons stated. I am gonna say this one more time, for all the pinheads out there with memories shorter than their manhood…….
.
In late June of 2012…. John Roberts and his SCOTUS decreed that ObieCare was indeed constitutional, and therefore was to BECOME THE LAW OF THE LAND. Yes, the highest court in our country decided this. SO the ObieCare fight was neutered with that decision- and we all knew it…Mitt did then talk about repeal and replace…….. But no way was that the issue you would have liked it to be, for rank and file voters, once SCOTUS put the nail in the coffin. A mess of a candidate? Who was more thoroughly qualified for the job than anyone whose had it in recent POTUS history? Or maybe he wasn’t career politician enough for you?

FlaMurph on November 3, 2013 at 11:36 PM

And here is the misquote from the David Gregory interview suggesting that Jeb Bush is Mitt’s candidate and Cruz is not.

Romney also praised his 2012 running mate, Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin, as well as former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush and Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida.

But he omitted Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas from his impromptu list of 2016 GOP hopefuls. Asked about that omission, Romney said, “I’m not going to disqualify anybody but I think I’ve indicated some of the names I think are most effective in becoming elected….”

Headline: “Romney NOT GOING TO Disqualify ANYONE!”

Fleuries on November 4, 2013 at 11:34 AM