Snowden: Come on, stop calling me a traitor you guys

posted at 4:01 pm on November 2, 2013 by Jazz Shaw

First we heard that Edward Snowden had landed himself a new job in Russia. (Working on web sites, natch.) But apparently, a quiet, stay at home life after work won’t be satisfying the former NSA contractor, and he’s now welcoming distinguished visitors for press opportunities. Oh, and he’d also appreciate it if everybody would stop acting like he’s a traitor or something.

Edward J. Snowden, the fugitive American security contractor granted temporary asylum by Russia, has appealed to Washington to stop treating him like a traitor for revealing that the United States has been eavesdropping on its allies, a German politician who met with Mr. Snowden said on Friday.

Mr. Snowden made his appeal in a letter that was carried to Berlin by Hans-Christian Ströbele, a veteran member of the Green Party in the German Parliament. Mr. Ströbele said he and two journalists for German news outlets met with Mr. Snowden and a person described as his assistant — probably his British aide, Sarah Harrison — at an undisclosed location in or near Moscow on Thursday for almost three hours.

Mr. Ströbele had gone to Moscow to explore whether Mr. Snowden could or would testify before a planned parliamentary inquiry into the eavesdropping. Any arrangements for Mr. Snowden to testify would require significant legal maneuvering, as it seemed unlikely that he would travel to Germany for fear of extradition to the United States.

I’m sure Snowden was flattered to be invited to travel to Germany and “testify” in hearings before the German Parliament about US intelligence activities there. That would have to be a pretty impressive pick-me-up for the ego after being stuck in a hotel for months and then relegated to a 9 to 5 job in Moscow with no Wikileaks sponsored parties or galas. But if he so much as steps foot into the international area of an airport or gets on a plane that crosses over friendly air space, I would hope that he’d be on his way home in a belly chain in short order. Short of that, though, he may not have much to worry about. If Russia isn’t willing to extradite him, options would appear to be limited. This isn’t the same as events unfolding in the streets of other other nations like Libya or Pakistan. Getting anyone in and out of Russia with Snowden in tow would be one heck of a trick and would probably carry some hefty repercussions.

As to the traitor thing, we’ve heard the same song and dance from Assange for a long time. In fact, in terms of media availability, the two should be considered relatively indistinguishable at this point. But if you don’t care for traitor, how about… dirtbag?


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Congress knew of the NSA excesses and failed to rein them in.

Snowden is a symptom.

Too many marauding clowns like him and the system implodes by its own incompetence.

profitsbeard on November 3, 2013 at 1:48 PM

Oh, so since Diane Feinstein sort of knew what the NSA was up to (but apparently Obama didn’t know they were spying on Merkel), it’s okay?

I think part of the problem here is that some of the older generation haven’t fully wrapped their brains around what the NSA and the “Five Eyes” are up to. The government has stored (although probably not accessed) every single detail of your life.

Everything.

If you’re okay with that, I don’t really have much to say to you — I, for one, would prefer not to live in a country where my government knows every intimate detail of my life from when I was born until the present.

Through meta-data analysis, the government has mapped out “connections” that means they know who your friends, family, coworkers, etc are — and that information on a massive scale allows them to draw diagrams on the interactions of every american citizen with anyone else in this country.

Timin203 on November 3, 2013 at 3:00 PM

If you can’t handle the tweet then stay out of the Twitchin’

SparkPlug on November 3, 2013 at 3:14 PM

i cant believe your all still trying to figure this one out…
these are two different topics..you all are trying to fit into one thought…

government spying…

and Mr Snowdens choice of venue..his choice.

and to all of you who are “shocked that your governemnt is spying” on you…i have to laugh…
your government has been spying on you since long befor mr snowden was born…
are you really the naive??…
are you pretending not to know…??
i can see if your JUST finding this out now, how you could be upsetting to you..

and on the second topic…you DO NOT GO TO THE RUSSIANS to air Americas dirty laundry…or the chineese or cubans…
which is where the treason claim comes from….
find another venue….
if snowden was sitting next to the pope, this thread might have sounded differently….

going2mars on November 3, 2013 at 3:15 PM

going2mars on November 3, 2013 at 3:15 PM

Your logic is too simplistic for my liking. Russia bad; Snowden like Russia, so Snowden bad; ‘murica!!

I can despise both governments at the same time, and I can love the Snowden leaks without giving a damn about Snowden personally.

It’s not about being surprised, it’s about weakening the Federal Government and the stranglehold they have on the American people with their national security rhetoric. The easiest way for the government to grow is through “national security”.

Daemonocracy on November 3, 2013 at 3:45 PM

http://www.amazon.com/Spying-Americans-Political-surveillance-Hoover/dp/0877221413

5 bits and a book….
read the dates..the history…
and ask yourself again…
is my government spying on me…..???
i’ll help ya…
your government has always been spying on you in some form or another….this is not ‘news’…
and standing on the Rooftops in Russia screaming about it
does not make you a hero….im sorry

going2mars on November 3, 2013 at 3:47 PM

Daemonocracy on November 3, 2013 at 3:45 PM

Wow, didn’t think I would see the snobbish ‘Merica meme here, but I guess I was wrong.

thebrokenrattle on November 3, 2013 at 4:00 PM

In the words of Stalin, “How many divisions does Snowden have?”

Don L on November 3, 2013 at 4:01 PM

Daemonocracy on November 3, 2013 at 3:45 PM

i have made no judgement on mr snowden…
on him, i think we need more facts which are comming slowly..
my big gripe is his choice of venues….
something about his venue list is ….troubling
china
russia
cuba
hmmm…but im waiting for more shoes to drop
and facts to come out…
my othe point was…hes no ‘Paul Revere’(yes thats upthread) for proclaiming
“your government is spying on you”..
because…’your government is spying on you’ isnt new..or news…
tell me you were shocked??..

going2mars on November 3, 2013 at 4:04 PM

within the next two days
4 different countries will have satellites
in our night skys that you can see..
Tiangong 1 ….. the first Chinese space station
Navid ………experimental Iranian Earth observation satellite.
SkyMed1….Italian Ministry of Research and Ministry of Defence
Lacrosse 5 ….. USA spy satellite carrying a Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR)
and i am sure there are way more that they are not going to tell us about..
those are the ones i found with a quick look…
there is only one reason to put a bird in the sky…to collect data..
yes…people are spying on you..
you can follow your favorite satellite here (collection devise)
http://www.n2yo.com/

going2mars on November 3, 2013 at 4:53 PM

http://www.n2yo.com/?s=38257

what do you think this Chineese Sat is doing
on this west coast flyby..???

going2mars on November 3, 2013 at 5:03 PM

http://www.n2yo.com/satellite/?s=39177

this Russian Sat’s next pass will include
the whole east coast of the US….wave NYC..

going2mars on November 3, 2013 at 5:11 PM

Your formatting is breaking my brain. What is wrong with you!?

jayhawkboilermaker on November 3, 2013 at 5:36 PM

I am not sure about Snowden’s method, but I for one am glad that he shed light on this NSA spying. In fact I don’t understand conservatives who are OK with this level of spying on our own people. It seems to me that to trust the same government, who is willing and able to use the IRS as a political hammer against Americans because they disagree with the central planning agenda, with mining data that includes EVERYTHING Americans say and write to each other is absolutely crazy!

But anything in the name of security I guess.

What is the difference between, “We need this to keep Americans safe” and “We need to do this for the children”?

PleaseFlyOver on November 3, 2013 at 5:50 PM

Good, for your own safety, ironically.

Schadenfreude on November 3, 2013 at 6:09 PM

As to the traitor thing, we’ve heard the same song and dance from Assange for a long time. In fact, in terms of media availability, the two should be considered relatively indistinguishable at this point. But if you don’t care for traitor, how about… dirtbag?

Oh look. Another “conservative” police statist defending the criminal government that is destroying our rights, has nothing but contempt for us, and abuses us in so many other ways.

Snowden and Assange are heroes, and have more courage in their little fingers than all the “men” writing here combined.

The traitors are those who cheer this repugnant police state and high tech global Panopticon.

Rae on November 3, 2013 at 6:55 PM

going2mars on November 3, 2013 at 4:53 PM

Nations spying on one another doesn’t harelip me. China e.g. has basically done nothing to individual conservative Americans, but I do fret about what unscrupulous Americans with political axes to grind might do with information it surreptitiously obtains about its American political opponents.

To scoff at people who voice concerns about the govt flouting the Fourth Amendment is bizarre.

Akzed on November 4, 2013 at 9:43 AM

For those of you saying that Snowden picked Russia, you are nothing but a fool that falls for Obama’s spin. Obama had his passport cancelled while he was flying through Russia and stranded him there, then Obama harassed foreign leaders flights while he was trying to escape Russia. Obama wanted him in Russia, that was his choice, sacrificing National Security to fool people like you to take the side of the American Stasi.

LevStrauss on November 4, 2013 at 4:20 PM

Keep looking up and back.

StevC on November 5, 2013 at 3:49 PM

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