AP: There’s an awful lot of middle-class sticker shock going on with these insurance cancellations…

posted at 5:31 pm on November 2, 2013 by Erika Johnsen

In their ongoing battle to convince Americans to believe what the Obama administration is peddling to them rather than what their own experiences are indicating to them, the White House sent out yet another tweet yesterday that looks like it was meant to help combat some of the fury over the great myth that was “If you like your plan, you can keep it“:

Number three especially appears to be part of the obligatory spin on the issue now: Obama never really promised that you could keep your same insurance plan, but rather that you could keep your same insurer. If you don’t actually want to purchase one of the more expensive, more ‘comprehensive’ plans that your insurer is now offering after they were required to cancel your previous plan, well, that’s your problem.

…And it is a problem, for quite a hefty number of people. The Associated Press reports on the case of the Griffins, a middle-class couple among the millions of people nationwide who buy individual insurance policies and are now receiving notices that those policies are being discontinued:

Dean Griffin liked the health insurance he purchased for himself and his wife three years ago and thought he’d be able to keep the plan even after the federal Affordable Care Act took effect.

But the 64-year-old recently received a letter notifying him the plan was being canceled because it didn’t cover certain benefits required under the law.

The Griffins, who live near Philadelphia, pay $770 monthly for their soon-to-be-terminated health care plan with a $2,500 deductible. The cheapest plan they found on their state insurance exchange was a so-called bronze plan charging a $1,275 monthly premium with deductibles totaling $12,700. It covers only providers in Pennsylvania, so the couple, who live near Delaware, won’t be able to see doctors they’ve used for more than a decade. …

They can buy different policies directly from insurers for 2014 or sign up for plans on state insurance exchanges. While lower-income people could see lower costs because of government subsidies, many in the middle class may get rude awakenings when they access the websites and realize they’ll have to pay significantly more. …

The Griffins, the AP notes, are considering paying the federal penalty rather than buying insurance, because they’re unlikely to run up the almost $13,000 tab it would take for the insurance to kick in — and if more and more of those mere “5 percent of Americans” subject to policy cancellations the administration keeps talking about are thinking this way, ObamaCare is in deep trouble.


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Obamacare was written with the explicit goals of destroying small business and the middle class.

Liberty dies, thanks democrats.

Murphy9 on November 2, 2013 at 5:34 PM

crucify them, all of them.

rob verdi on November 2, 2013 at 5:34 PM

Anybody who makes decisions based on tweets should not be allowed to vote.

rjh on November 2, 2013 at 5:36 PM

Period. No matter what.

anotherJoe on November 2, 2013 at 5:37 PM

You mean the 40 million Americans who didn’t have health care insurance who Obiecare was intended for, are finding out they now have to PAY for it ?
.
What happened to the free stuff ?

FlaMurph on November 2, 2013 at 5:40 PM

But the 64-year-old recently received a letter notifying him the plan was being canceled because it didn’t cover certain benefits required under the law.

But it has the Fluke option for free birth control!

slickwillie2001 on November 2, 2013 at 5:40 PM

Sticker shock?! That’s what they call it nowadays?

Wino on November 2, 2013 at 5:41 PM

The middle class will be supporting medical care for the permanent welfare class and eventually illegal aliens, just as it supports ObamaPhones, food stamps and Section 8 housing.

We have reached the stage where every taxpaying household is also supporting a second (welfare) household.

bw222 on November 2, 2013 at 5:42 PM

“If you don’t like your Senate, you don’t have to keep it.”

2014 cannot get here fast enough. If my vote could register a physical reaction it would be a 12.6 on the Richter scale, larger than any known earthquake in recorded history.

I am hoping there are millions like me.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on November 2, 2013 at 5:44 PM

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/10/21/why-obamacare-is-fantastic-success/

The GOP needs to stop calling ObamaCare a “trainwreck.” That means it’s a mistake, or accident. That means it’s a gigantic flop, or failure. It’s NOT.

Message to the GOP: This isn’t a game. This isn’t tiddly-winks. This is a serious, purposeful attempt to highjack America and destroy capitalism.

This is a brilliant, cynical, and purposeful attempt to damage the U.S. economy, kill jobs, and bring down capitalism.

It’s not a failure, it’s Obama’s grand success.

It’s not a “trainwreck,” ObamaCare is a suicide attack. He wants to hurt us, to bring us to our knees, to capitulate- so we agree under duress to accept big government.

Obama’s hero and mentor was Saul Alinsky — a radical Marxist intent on destroying capitalism. Alinksky’s stated advice was to call the other guy “a terrorist” to hide your own intentions.

To scream that the other guy is “ruining America,” while you are the one actually plotting the destruction of America. To claim again and again…in every sentence of every speech…that you are “saving the middle class,” while you are busy wiping out the middle class.

The GOP is so stupid they can’t see it. There are no mistakes here. This is a planned purposeful attack.

The tell-tale sign isn’t the disastrous start to ObamaCare. Or the devastating effect the new taxes are having on the economy. Or the death of full-time jobs. Or the overwhelming debt. Or the dramatic increases in health insurance rates. Or the 70% of doctors now thinking of retiring- bringing on a healthcare crisis of unimaginable proportions. Forget all that.

The real sign that this is a purposeful attack upon capitalism is how many Obama administration members and Democratic Congressmen are openly calling Tea Party Republicans and anyone who wants to stop ObamaCare “terrorists.”

There’s the clue. Even the clueless GOP should be able to see that.

They are calling the reasonable people…the patriots…the people who believe in the Constitution … the people who believe exactly what the Founding Fathers believed…the people who want to take power away from corrupt politicians who have put America $17 trillion in debt…terrorists?

That’s because they are Saul Alinsky-ing the GOP. The people trying to purposely hurt America, capitalism and the middle class…are calling the patriots by a terrible name to fool, confuse and distract the public.

ObamaCare is a raving, rollicking, fantastic success. Stop calling it a failure. Here is what it was created to do. It is succeeding on all counts:

1. ObamaCare was intended to bring about the Marxist dream — redistribution of wealth.
Rich people, small business owners, and the middle class are being robbed, so that the money can be redistributed to poor people (who vote for Democrats).

Think about it. If you’re rich or middle class, you now have to pay for your own health care costs (at much higher rates) AND 40 million other people’s costs too (through massive tax increases).

So you’re stuck paying for both bills. You are left broke. Brilliant.

2. ObamaCare was intended to wipe out the middle class and make them dependent on government.
Think about it. Even Obama’s IRS predicts that health insurance for a typical American family by 2016 will be $20,000 per year. But how would middle class Americans pay that bill and have anything left for food or housing or living? People that make $40K, or $50K, or $60K can’t possibly hope to spend $20K on health insurance without becoming homeless.

Bingo. That’s how you make middle class people dependent on government. That’s how you make everyone addicted to government checks. Brilliant.

3. As a bonus, ObamaCare is intended to kill every decent paying job in the economy, creating only crummy, crappy part-time jobs.
Why? Just to make sure the middle class is trapped, with no way out. Just to make sure no one has the $20,000 per year to pay for health insurance, thereby guaranteeing they become wards of the state. Brilliant.

4. ObamaCare is intended to bankrupt small business, and therefore starve donations to the GOP.
Think about it. Do you know a small business owner? I know hundreds of them. Their rates are being doubled, tripled and quadrupled by ObamaCare.

Guess who writes 75% of the checks to Republican candidates and conservative causes? Small Business.

Even if a small business owner manages to survive, he or she certainly can’t write a big check to the GOP anymore. Money is the “mother’s milk” of politics. Without donations, a political party ceases to exist. Bingo.

That’s the point of ObamaCare. Obama is bankrupting his political opposition and drying up donations to the GOP. Brilliant.

5. ObamaCare is intended to make the IRS all-powerful.
It adds thousands of new IRS agents. It puts the IRS in charge of overseeing 15% of the U.S. economy. The IRS has the right because of ObamaCare to snoop into every aspect of your life, to go into your bank accounts, to fine you, to frighten you, to intimidate you. And Obama and his socialist cabal have access to your deepest medical secrets.

By law your doctor has to ask your sexual history. That information is now in the hands of Obama and the IRS to blackmail GOP candidates into either not running, or supporting bigger government, or leaking the info and ruining your campaign.

Or have you forgotten the IRS harassed, intimidated and persecuted critics of Obama and conservative groups?

Now Obama hands the IRS even more power. Big Brother rules our lives. Brilliant.

6. ObamaCare is intended to unionize 15 million healthcare workers.
That produces $15 billion in new union dues. That money goes to fund Democratic candidates and socialist causes — thereby guaranteeing Obama’s friends never lose another election, and Obama’s policies keep ruining capitalism and bankrupting business owners long after he’s out of office.

Message to the GOP: This isn’t a game. This isn’t tiddly-winks. This is a serious, purposeful attempt to highjack America and destroy capitalism.

This isn’t a trainwreck. It’s purposeful suicide.

It’s not failing, it’s working exactly according to plan. Obama knows what he’s doing. Stop apologizing and start fighting.

Oh and one more thing…Conservatives aren’t “terrorists.” We are patriots and saviors. We represent the Constitution and the Founding Fathers. We are the heroes and good guys. Unless you get all this through your thick skulls, America is lost…forever.

Murphy9 on November 2, 2013 at 5:45 PM

This is Obama’s “read my lips, no new taxes” moment. The Alphabet news organizations along with CNN are all over this for what ever reason. The Whitehouse spin is going no where and more and more people are coming out against O Care.

A little like closing the barn door after the horse it out, but I will take it after five years of the MSM and Obama love.

Johnnyreb on November 2, 2013 at 5:46 PM

No amount of spin from the jug-eared wonder or his enablers in the media will cover up the reality check folks are getting. They’re getting cancellation notices and their new, improved coverage has higher monthly premiums, higher deductibles and higher co-pays.

LIV’s will believe anything Obama tells them until they get hit in the pocket book. That, they can’t deny.

This is gonna get good. Or bad.

BacaDog on November 2, 2013 at 5:46 PM

The middle class will be supporting medical care for the permanent welfare class and eventually illegal aliens, just as it supports ObamaPhones, food stamps and Section 8 housing.

We have reached the stage where every taxpaying household is also supporting a second (welfare) household.

bw222 on November 2, 2013 at 5:42 PM

IMO that may well be the basis of much of what Obama does. I doubt that BO ever saw the middle class as his primary concern. IMO he would rather drag the middle class down to the level of the poor – how else to share the good life?

katiejane on November 2, 2013 at 5:48 PM

God help the land with candidates like these.

Schadenfreude on November 2, 2013 at 5:48 PM

This is Obama’s “read my lips, no new taxes” moment. The Alphabet news organizations along with CNN are all over this for what ever reason. The Whitehouse spin is going no where and more and more people are coming out against O Care

Except they’ll drop it well before the elections. Now we’re in the “safe zone” where media can criticize democrats to help them maintain credibility. By the time the next election cycle comes around, this will be completely forgotten, off the front page – heck, nowhere to be found – but used by the left to show that the media is “unbiased and objective.”

Been there. Done that.

Wino on November 2, 2013 at 5:49 PM

The Dems will try to shift the blame to the Insurance Companies. The talking points will be about eeevil corporations gouging poor sick people or dropping their coverage.

If you have the opportunity, confront this directly everywhere and anywhere you can with one simple question: Which Insurance Company? Please tell me, by name, which insurance company will be making exorbitant profits, because I’d like to buy some stock in that company so I can share in the windfall. But I can’t do that unless you name the company, and we all know you can’t.

trubble on November 2, 2013 at 5:50 PM

The plain fact is that people are and will become worse off under Obamacare. Any and all spin from the administration will only add cruel insult to grievous injury. Heckuva legacy, Barry. I’m looking forward to the upcoming electoral firings of Democrats. If only Boehner would realize that Republicans will gain simply by default, rather than because of anything to his credit.

86 on November 2, 2013 at 5:52 PM

….this impacts a lot of Americans…why do you think they delayed the employer mandate?

KOOLAID2 on November 2, 2013 at 5:55 PM

Except they’ll drop it well before the elections. Now we’re in the “safe zone” where media can criticize democrats to help them maintain credibility. By the time the next election cycle comes around, this will be completely forgotten, off the front page – heck, nowhere to be found – but used by the left to show that the media is “unbiased and objective.”

Been there. Done that.

Wino on November 2, 2013 at 5:49 PM

I disagree. This is the first time that the MSM in mass has dared criticize the One, the very first time. Come about September and October this year the 90 day insurance cancellation letters from employers will start going out because the extended mandate for them expires 1 Jan 2015, and it will get way uglier then. No way this will die. It will keep getting reborn each time an extended mandate expires.

Johnnyreb on November 2, 2013 at 5:56 PM

It’s more than a $13k tab for the griffins. That’s just their deductible. Their premiums cost $15,300.

They need to spend out of pocket $28,000 before it would have made sense to have insurance.

Spade on November 2, 2013 at 5:58 PM

Been there. Done that.

Wino on November 2, 2013 at 5:49 PM

probably true. the only thing that makes it possible that it wont happen is there are so mnay more shoes to drop BEFORE Nov. they will keep coming. the adverse selection issue. companies killing plans dumping those oh so lucky 90% who have employer sponsored plans who thought THEY were immune to all this. the delay of the mandate (possible) exacerbating the death spiral. the insur companies calling out the admin en masse. and fighting back against the lies they will tell. which will be more strident and rediculous as this gets worse. when the mandate does get delayed bringing back the whole “hey wait, so ted cruz was right all along?!?” issue. it will keep coming all thru 2014. and THEN after the elections when folks do their 2014 taxes in mar/april 2015 there will be the indiv penalties IF they dont delay mandate. over and over and over for the next 3 years until this is repealed, it will be something new, something different, and another lie of obamas made obvious to millions. its possible with so much truth in so mnay peoples’ faces LSM wont be able to cover it up. maybe.

t8stlikchkn on November 2, 2013 at 5:58 PM

Given all the people getting cancellations and being unable to enroll online, there’s going to be a lot of people left out in the cold insurance wise on Jan 1st. How many are going to succumb to undiagnosed terminal illnesses next year and be unable to find a hospital willing to treat them when the hospitals cut back to the bone due to lack of profitable fee coverage from this mess. Looks to me like the libs are culling the herd.

Kissmygrits on November 2, 2013 at 5:58 PM

Thanks to Obamacare, no insurance company will

1. Deny you coverage.
2. Drop you if you get sick.
3. Drop you as a customer – altogether
4. But the State will coerce you to buy insurance that’s more expensive, has a higher deductible, doesn’t cover things you need but does covers things you’ll never ever use.
5. You’re welcome!

forest on November 2, 2013 at 6:00 PM

The Griffins, the AP notes, are considering paying the federal penalty rather than buying insurance, because they’re unlikely to run up the almost $13,000 tab it would take for the insurance to kick in — and if more and more of those mere “5 percent of Americans” subject to policy cancellations the administration keeps talking about are thinking this way, ObamaCare is in deep trouble.

Why wouldn’t you do this? If you get sick they have set it up where you can get insurance at any time so why pay the money if you don’t have to.

Find a provider that will take cash and most of them who do will cut their prices dramatically.

Revenge of the people :)

gophergirl on November 2, 2013 at 6:00 PM

I got my cancellation notice yesterday. (BCBS CareFirst, northern Virginia.)

WhatSlushfund on November 2, 2013 at 6:00 PM

I disagree. This is the first time that the MSM in mass has dared criticize the One, the very first time

He’s not running again. The media will show these articles as their bona fides to proclaim, “See? We attack democrats, too! We’re not on their side.”

Then, they’ll follow with glowing articles about Hillary, Kerry, or whomever they have picked as their 2014 Senate or 2016 presidential candidates.

You’re falling for their standard Modus Operandi again: Criticize in the off-season; cheer during the game.

Wino on November 2, 2013 at 6:00 PM

….this impacts a lot of Americans…why do you think they delayed the employer mandate?

KOOLAID2 on November 2, 2013 at 5:55 PM

They are so stupid though. The employer mandate sticker shock and cancellations are going to hit right before the election.

They may be good liars but they aren’t bright.

gophergirl on November 2, 2013 at 6:03 PM

Could someone please clarify this?

Isn’t the so-called “penalty” actually the “tax” which Roberts used to argue ACA was constitutional?

And, if so, why are we calling it a “penalty” and not by it’s real term, a tax?

:confused:

wyntre9 on November 2, 2013 at 6:04 PM

FlaMurph on November 2, 2013 at 5:40 PM

That 40 million cancels out the 30 million the POS said was uninsured.

It’s dim math.

wyntre9 on November 2, 2013 at 6:06 PM

He’s not running again. The media will show these articles as their bona fides to proclaim, “See? We attack democrats, too! We’re not on their side.”

Then, they’ll follow with glowing articles about Hillary, Kerry, or whomever they have picked as their 2014 Senate or 2016 presidential candidates.

You’re falling for their standard Modus Operandi again: Criticize in the off-season; cheer during the game.

Wino on November 2, 2013 at 6:00 PM

Read the above. This whole mess belongs to the Dems, not just to Obama.

Johnnyreb on November 2, 2013 at 6:08 PM

Murphy9 on November 2, 2013 at 5:45 PM

Great article.

wyntre9 on November 2, 2013 at 6:08 PM

This whole mess belongs to the Dems, not just to Obama.

Check a calendar. This is not election season. This will all be gone and forgotten (by the media) long before the next elections. This means absolutely nothing in the real game, but will be used as “evidence” that the media is “unbiased.”

“We reported about Obamacare’s failures. Sure, it’s still around and causing the middle class to lose their healthcare, but we reported it! Doesn’t Hillary look grand as a Statesman?! What a great leader she’ll be!”

And HA is falling for it, again. This is nothing but resume’-enhancement for the NYT, et al. “We’re unbiased! We’re unbiased! See?”

Wino on November 2, 2013 at 6:12 PM

The people who crafted the rules knew the numbers. Insurance industry statistics gave them a figure for policies in question.

It’s unclear how many individual plans are being canceled — no one agency keeps track. But it’s likely in the millions. Insurance industry experts estimate that about 14 million people, or 5 percent of the total market for health care coverage, buy individual policies.

An actuarial can crunch the numbers. They would know approximate increase in cost for for each item or mandate added. They would know how much the insurers would have to raise premiums, or deductibles to pay for the mandates across that population.

The authors of the bill (not Henry Reid) merely had to add in mandates to buy constituent votes, like no penalties for HIV, until they hit the right ratio of cancellations to persons eligible for supplements. When they found a good ratio for the coming election, they signed off.

The bottom tier will be happy DEM voters. The middle tier, that is the working class independent, more tea party and less DEM, will get toasted. The top tier has the bucks. The DEM unions got exempted, as did DEM gov workers, and DEM Medicaid feels no pain.

This was not a mistake. It was a political calculation

These numbers are easy for insurance actuarials

Add to that the information revealed on Rush on Friday, that the Obamacare online checks the credit reporting agency Experian to verify identity. If someone has a credit history, they will be verified. Some like students have no credit history so must apply other ways, but illegal aliens using stolen SSN’s can and do get credit cards, for the purpose of fleshing out their bogus American ID and they will not only be verified, they will get a voter registration card.

This is planned to weaken conservative opposition, and bulk the voter lists for 2014

entagor on November 2, 2013 at 6:13 PM

wyntre9 on November 2, 2013 at 6:04 PM

And if it’s a tax, and it’s been “waived” and delayed by the president, this means that future presidents can waive or delay any other tax, right?

forest on November 2, 2013 at 6:20 PM

Check a calendar. This is not election season. This will all be gone and forgotten (by the media) long before the next elections. This means absolutely nothing in the real game, but will be used as “evidence” that the media is “unbiased.”

“We reported about Obamacare’s failures. Sure, it’s still around and causing the middle class to lose their healthcare, but we reported it! Doesn’t Hillary look grand as a Statesman?! What a great leader she’ll be!”

And HA is falling for it, again. This is nothing but resume’-enhancement for the NYT, et al. “We’re unbiased! We’re unbiased! See?”

Wino on November 2, 2013 at 6:12 PM

The employer mandate kicks in next year – which is an election year.

We are going through this all again in less than 12 months.

gophergirl on November 2, 2013 at 6:21 PM

OT/…anybody watching the Michigan State Defense working today…against the University of Michigan?

KOOLAID2 on November 2, 2013 at 6:21 PM

OT/…anybody watching the Michigan State Defense working today…against the University of Michigan?

KOOLAID2 on November 2, 2013 at 6:21 PM

Flipping back and forth – we are up 15 on Indiana going into the 4th

gophergirl on November 2, 2013 at 6:22 PM

The employer mandate kicks in next year – which is an election year.

Yeah, there’s no way that can be waivered or ignored…

I’ll believe it when I see it.

Wino on November 2, 2013 at 6:23 PM

In the Obama world, the middle class is rich.

Ben Hur on November 2, 2013 at 6:24 PM

forest on November 2, 2013 at 6:20 PM

Like I said, I am confused. If the “penalty” is the “tax” which, for the first time, is applied to people NOT buying something . . .

But I could be wrong about this.

My head hurts.

wyntre9 on November 2, 2013 at 6:25 PM

And I expect ZERO democrat-critical coverage IF the waivers don’t appear.

Wino on November 2, 2013 at 6:25 PM

By my calculations, they’d be out $28k in a year, if you add the premium they’d pay along with the deductible, before their insurance kicked in.

ProfShadow on November 2, 2013 at 6:31 PM

No wonder I am still as confused now as when traitor John Roberts rewrote the ACA to aloow the POS to pass it.

“The remarkable decision upholding the Affordable Care Act is shot through with confusion—the mandate that’s really a tax, except when it isn’t, and the government whose powers are limited and enumerated, except when they aren’t. One thing is clear: This was a one-man show, and that man is John Roberts.

The Chief Justice ruled that ObamaCare’s mandate violated the Commerce Clause, joined by the Court’s conservative bloc, but he also said that the mandate fell within Congress’s power to tax, joined by the Court’s liberal bloc. In practice this is a restraint on federal power without real restraint—and, worse, the Chief Justice had to rewrite the statute Congress passed in order to salvage it. The ruling will stand as one of the great what-might-have-beens of American constitutional law.”

*****************************

“According to Chief Justice Roberts, the penalty is merely a tax on not owning health insurance, no different from “buying gasoline or earning income,” and it thus complies with the Constitution. This a large loophole. The result is that Washington has unlimited power to impose new purchase mandates and the courts will find them constitutional if Congress calls them taxes, or even if it calls them something else and judges call them taxes.”

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304058404577494400059173634

wyntre9 on November 2, 2013 at 6:31 PM

anyone remember THIS

phatfawzi on November 2, 2013 at 6:31 PM

The employer mandate kicks in next year – which is an election year.

We are going through this all again in less than 12 months.

gophergirl on November 2, 2013 at 6:21 PM

Thanks. That has been said twice already, but some people refuse to listen.

Johnnyreb on November 2, 2013 at 6:32 PM

Murphy9 on November 2, 2013 at 5:45 PM

I see a cartoon; the REB in a kamikaze bomber with the Obama meatball on the side, and an aircraft carrier in its sights named ‘US economy’.

slickwillie2001 on November 2, 2013 at 6:32 PM

Wino on November 2, 2013 at 6:12 PM

You have a point.

wyntre9 on November 2, 2013 at 6:33 PM

The employer mandate kicks in next year – which is an election year.

We are going through this all again in less than 12 months.

gophergirl on November 2, 2013 at 6:21 PM

Thanks. That has been said twice already, but some people refuse to listen.

Johnnyreb on November 2, 2013 at 6:32 PM

The media won’t report this next year. It will be “old news; we already covered that last year,” and relegated to page A28 under the headline “Conservatives still complaining about old issues.”

I may refuse to listen, but others refuse to learn from the past. This is their typical strategy, as I’ve said above: “Criticize in the off-season; cheer during the game.”

Wino on November 2, 2013 at 6:37 PM

Who else is wondering, in the above quote on the front page, why Obama used the qualifier… “altogether?”

Why use this word? Why cover his patootie with this? Is there another Obama surprise on the way?

My inquiring/ suspicious/ cynical mind sincerely wants know what you think.

marybel on November 2, 2013 at 6:43 PM

His nose is waaaaay to short.

EdmundBurke247 on November 2, 2013 at 6:47 PM

I understand political spin as well as the next fellow, but #3 is an outright lie.

“We regret to inform you that effective January 1, 2014, we will no longer offer our Individual & Family plans in your county.”

That’s from my insurer, which not only dropped me as a customer, but dropped me as a customer because of Obamacare.

This makes me wonder exactly how much of the “unprecedented demand” which they claim is crashing their web sites is due to people like me, who already had health insurance and have now lost it.

Mike Antonucci on November 2, 2013 at 6:49 PM

If you still have a full-time job in this country, you’re rich according to Obama. We You have elected the enemy.

Philly on November 2, 2013 at 6:56 PM

whatever

BoxHead1 on November 2, 2013 at 7:00 PM

Message to the GOP: This isn’t a game. This isn’t tiddly-winks. This is a serious, purposeful attempt to highjack America and destroy capitalism.
 
This isn’t a trainwreck. It’s purposeful suicide.

 
Murphy9 on November 2, 2013 at 5:45 PM

 
That about covers it.

rogerb on November 2, 2013 at 7:03 PM

We keep hearing about how obamacare is in deep trouble. We heard about this when Roberts upheld it. We heard about it during 2012. It’s still the law. The democrats are still I’m charge. Obama’s approval rating is fine. It will never really drop. The Dems keep winning because the POPULACE is stupid.

Until we find a way to stop morons from voting we are screwed.

happytobehere on November 2, 2013 at 7:11 PM

Until we find a way to stop morons from voting we are screwed.

happytobehere on November 2, 2013 at 7:11 PM

Morons? Not at all! They’re getting free money to sit at home and pump out babies (not dependent on external or internal genetalia). Why wouldn’t they continue to vote for free gubmint cheese?

It is time – well past time – for Atlas to shrug. We should cut off these cheats and their government benefactors. Let’s see if they have enough people to come after 20 million “tax dodgers” as they say they don’t have enough people to go after 12 million illegal aliens.

Oh, and don’t worry. I know the answer. They’ll get PAID for taking the taxpayers’ belongings, so they’ll come up with the enforcement of tax dodgers. Plus, they don’t really WANT to go after the criminal aliens.

Wino on November 2, 2013 at 7:15 PM

Read the above. This whole mess belongs to the Dems, not just to Obama.

Johnnyreb on November 2, 2013 at 6:08 PM

More Importantly we need to make sure it belongs to Liberalism/Progressivism/Socialism/Big Government/Activist Government as it should.

A party can change it’s platform and a candidate can say I wasn’t in office when that was passed.

kcewa on November 2, 2013 at 7:22 PM

Until we find a way to stop morons from voting we are screwed.

happytobehere on November 2, 2013 at 7:11 PM

35% of the electorate stayed home. They didn’t vote for Obama.

kcewa on November 2, 2013 at 7:25 PM

So I’m assuming as a 64-year-old man, he was surprised to find he HAS to insure his own pregnancy, right?

Oh, and I’m curious on that point… just how much “insurance” can they charge for something that is not even possible?

UnderstandingisPower on November 2, 2013 at 7:31 PM

Once we get this insurance thing out of the way, I’m waiting for the same people to figure out you can’t add 30 million people to the insurance rolls, and no doctors, and have the system work like it used to. THey’re seriously in for another rude awakening. Meanwhile, our ability to turn this around is shrinking rapidly and, if Obama doesn’t get a handle on this, there will be serious disruptions in our health system. Of course, it will be the Republicans fault, but what’s different with that.

bflat879 on November 2, 2013 at 7:51 PM

Until we find a way to stop morons from voting we are screwed.
happytobehere on November 2, 2013 at 7:11 PM

Oh, Happy….
The voting morons you mention have no skin in the game, they pay no income tax, get money sent to them, and are the benefactors; and they know full well how to game our outrageously moronic system. What’s moronic about voting for the guys that promise them more freebies and goodies? It’s the worst of human nature.

We were royally screwed by Obie, King Giveaway, in 2012 and I hate to say it won’t be the last time.

Obama was and still is the Candyman. And he won in 2012 because of it. You and I supplied the tax money for his gratuitousness. Stinks to be us. It’s the new normal.

marybel on November 2, 2013 at 8:00 PM

So, when the employer mandate comes in, just how many news organizations will be able to afford health insurance for its reporters?

And how many reporters will be able to afford the coverage they are offered?

There is a worm in this apple and it is turning, even if it is out of base self-interest…

ajacksonian on November 2, 2013 at 8:14 PM

Lying is so ingrained into their being that #3 is a blatant one. What the heck do they think cancelling a policy is if it isn’t dropping the customer?

sadatoni on November 2, 2013 at 8:18 PM

Until we find a way to stop morons from voting we are screwed.

happytobehere on November 2, 2013 at 7:11 PM

35% of the electorate stayed home. They didn’t vote for Obama.

kcewa on November 2, 2013 at 7:25 PM

By staying home, they in effect did vote for O’bama.

And many of those who stayed home did so in 2008 as well. They selfishly wanted to “teach the Republican Party a lesson”-by handing the country’s future over to an avowed Socialist.

They’re almost as much moronish as the 80+ % of Democrat high school dropouts who voted for O’bama in 2012.

And always remember, O’bama also lost the college graduate vote in that election.

Del Dolemonte on November 2, 2013 at 8:32 PM

By staying home, they in effect did vote for O’bama.

By staying home, we told the GOP, “No more ‘electable’ unelectable candidates. Give us a conservative.” And yet, still no one listens.

I’ll stay home again if we get a Christie or McCain clone.

You keep voting for “their” candidate, and you’ll keep getting poor results. Or do you like Bush’s expanded medicare, unenforced immigration policy, and raised taxes and spending?

Wino on November 2, 2013 at 8:43 PM

Why couldn’t the government ever solve the problem of cancelling policies when you got sick before now?

p0s3r on November 2, 2013 at 9:20 PM

Fact: the Prevaricator-in-Chief resides in the Spite House

J_Crater on November 2, 2013 at 9:37 PM

Obamacare……like any other revealed religion, is largely made up of prophecies.

roflmmfao

donabernathy on November 2, 2013 at 9:49 PM

ROTFLMMFBO!! We tried to tell them and they still voted for the Obumbler!! ROTFLMMFBO!!! This is Awesome, Totally Awesome!!!

Tbone McGraw on November 2, 2013 at 9:52 PM

I, also, have never stayed home on Election Day. However, I will stay home if the Republicans dare to nominate a Mc Cain type candidate. As of now, the Republican elites have every intention of forcing another RINO on us. We really do have a battle ahead of us from the lying Democrats to the washed up, fake Republicans.

mobydutch on November 2, 2013 at 10:25 PM

At least the Griffins won’t have to worry about paying the penalty/tax. If the cheapest policy they can qualify for is $1275 per month, they’d have to have a (modified) adjusted gross income of around $190k per year to be subject to the penalties (you’re exempt if the cheapest policy is more than 8% of your MAGI). If they’re pulling in that much per year, I hardly think they’d be worrying much about premium costs.

Somehow, I don’t think the penalty/tax is going to be a huge issue for most folks.

The other thing the Griffins have going for them is they’ll soon be able to go to Medicare and escape Obamacare. At least until the Dems start messing with that.

DaveK on November 2, 2013 at 10:58 PM

if the Dems come to the republicans to ask for any delay to the mandate they better get this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnmIoF_2Q4Y

full and total repeal. Only thing I will support

lostinjrz on November 2, 2013 at 11:46 PM

full and total repeal. Only thing I will support

lostinjrz on November 2, 2013 at 11:46 PM

If the publica outcry reaches critical mass, we might actually get enough Democrats to do a bipartisan repeal.

290 Representatives + 67 Senators = Repeal and override Obama’s veto.

ITguy on November 3, 2013 at 12:08 AM

The absolute cheapest plan that I can now get (after my policy was cancelled last week) is almost identical to the one quoted to the Griffins. I thought it was a joke. It wasn’t. If I go along with this BS I get to pay more so that I can pay more. Screw them. I’m not playing that game. I will opt out. If that helps to end this national abortion then I’m totally good with it.

trapeze on November 3, 2013 at 12:14 AM

I got my cancellation notice yesterday.

WhatSlushfund on November 2, 2013 at 6:00 PM

my insurer not only dropped me as a customer, but dropped me as a customer because of Obamacare.

Mike Antonucci on November 2, 2013 at 6:49 PM

Send in your letter.
There’s a new support group for all of us that are now statistically insignificant.
http://mycancellation.com/

lynncgb on November 3, 2013 at 12:21 AM

Megyn Kelly announced thursday night that when the employer mandate comes into effect, an additional 93 million people will lose their insurance. I would suggest that everybody change their deductions so you don’t owe these bastards at the end of the year. Don’t pay them when they send you a bill. I don’t think there’s enough room in the federal prisons to house that many people. Sometimes you have to force people to do things.

tmgrant on November 3, 2013 at 6:50 AM

Don’t pay them when they send you a bill. I don’t think there’s enough room in the federal prisons to house that many people. Sometimes you have to force people to do things.

tmgrant on November 3, 2013 at 6:50 AM

sounds great in theory. but they wont arrest you. they’ll send a collection notice. they send tens of millions every year. after 90 days if you dont respond, or pay, then they will levy you. they will place a lien on you. they will garsnih your wages if you are an employee. they may seize the income from your bank account if you are self-employed. no one will show up. no one will go to jail. you will pay one way or the other; eventually. if they put a lien on your house, which they will if you sell it, they’ll get paid. thats how taxes work now. no one goes to jail. even folks who owe hndreds, millions of dollars. “they” just eventually get paid. OR some agreement is worked out. 20 million more is nothing, compared to what they are dealing with NOW. esp in the last 10 years when autoamtied collections have increased exponentially (anyone goten a notice called a CP2000? yeah, lots of folks have recently that never got one before). i’m not trying to throw cold water on your idea, just want you to know how it already works, and will work if you try it. there are folks who deal with this for a living. and they would find your idea somewhat amusing. not becuase they dont agree with you but becuase folks who are nudging you to do this are so woefully ignorant of the process. and the logical known outcomes of that approach.

t8stlikchkn on November 3, 2013 at 7:55 AM

No more delays… no more waivers… implement the law…

The Democrats and OBAMA own this, lock stock and barrel…

I can’t wait for the 2014 tsunami (elections)…

Khun Joe on November 3, 2013 at 9:15 AM

Murphy9 on November 2, 2013 at 5:45 PM

Thank you for the excellent summation.

Every point you make is true, yet if you dare criticize O-care from the right, you are deemed a racist by the idiotic talking-head enablers of this massive power grab.

God help us.

hillbillyjim on November 3, 2013 at 11:08 AM

Kevin (Things They Don’t Want You To Know) Trudeau was issued an injunction to stop making fraudulent claims about his product line. Oh FTC, wherefore art thou?

Tekov Yahoser on November 3, 2013 at 12:06 PM

The Griffins, the AP notes, are considering paying the federal penalty rather than buying insurance,

I keep thinking whenever I read about folks like this who say they’ll pay the Federal penalty rather than buy health insurance, they DO realize that when enough people agree with them that the Feds will simply raise the penalty until it exceeds the H/C premiums. The do understand this, right?

Today a story is out on one of our Leftist idiot legislators here in Virginia. She is going to introduce a law which will FORCE doctors to accept MediCare/MediCaid patients. Apparently, the goal of the Communist/Democrat party is see our health care sink to third world status. Murdering babies isn’t enough for the Left. Next they’ll be murdering the elderly.

oldleprechaun on November 3, 2013 at 12:19 PM

I stand corrected. Looks like they just want to start small…

“Virginia Democrats, led by Delegate Candidate Kathleen Murphy, have proposed a new law that would make it a legal requirement for Virginia doctors to treat all Medicaid and Medicare patients.”

oldleprechaun on November 3, 2013 at 12:21 PM

The 5% of Americans thrown under the bus are the responsible ones who choose to purchase insurance rather than “free rider”.

Also, Obama’s promises were directed exclusively at them. If you get insurance thru your employer, then what is offered to you are his plans, not yours: he contacted the insurance company and negotiated the policy or decided to self insurance. You can keep the benefit your employer offers you only as long as he continues to offer it.

The people Obama made the promise to are those who have purchased policies themselves. He lied to 100% of these. Period. And he knew he was lying. Period.

Laurence on November 3, 2013 at 12:49 PM

And once again, the GOP’s strategy is to just not do anything and hope that something good happens. Oh, and criticize anyone who says that this is trampling of the rights of all Americans. We have a defacto one party system right now, because only three Senators and about 50 house members apparently care about this country and want to see use free!

flytier on November 3, 2013 at 4:23 PM

Anybody who makes decisions based on tweets should not be allowed to vote.

rjh on November 2, 2013 at 5:36 PM

Go take a look at the site — I think us conservatives own the counter-tweet battle. There isn’t a single defender on the list.

unclesmrgol on November 3, 2013 at 7:40 PM