Friendly reminder from CNN: Senate Democrats killed a 2010 GOP proposal to let more people keep their plans

posted at 11:21 am on November 1, 2013 by Allahpundit

You know what to do, Republican ad-makers.

In September 2010, Senate Republicans brought a resolution to the floor to block implementation of the grandfather rule, warning that it would result in canceled policies and violate President Barack Obama’s promise that people could keep their insurance if they liked it.

“The District of Columbia is an island surrounded by reality. Only in the District of Columbia could you get away with telling the people if you like what you have you can keep it, and then pass regulations six months later that do just the opposite and figure that people are going to ignore it. But common sense is eventually going to prevail in this town and common sense is going to have to prevail on this piece of legislation as well,” Iowa Sen. Chuck Grassley said at the time.

“The administration’s own regulations prove this is not the case. Under the grandfathering regulation, according to the White House’s own economic impact analysis, as many as 69 percent of businesses will lose their grandfathered status by 2013 and be forced to buy government-approved plans,” the Iowa Republican said.

On a party line vote, Democrats killed the resolution, which could come back to haunt vulnerable Democrats up for re-election this year.

Pryor, Landrieu, Begich, Hagan — all your favorite vulnerable Democratic incumbents from conservative states went face-first into the tank as usual to protect Obama’s baby and now they’re paying for it, which explains why Landrieu’s suddenly pushing a bill along the same lines as tea-party Republican Ron Johnson to re-grandfather some plans. Big question mark, though: Did Senate Democrats anticipate just how restrictive Obama’s HHS would be in writing the regulations that ended up disqualifying many plans from grandfather status? Per CNN, some Dems like Tom Harkin defended their vote against the GOP proposal in 2010 at the time by claiming that it might, in theory, end up re-grandfathering everything, which would defeat the purpose of rendering truly bad plans illegal. Instead, HHS wrote the regs so restrictively that even decent plans ended up being nuked when insurers made small changes to them. That’s why Frank Pallone was babbling about “scams” on Megyn Kelly’s show on Wednesday night: Congressional Democrats have now been reduced to claiming, surreally, that basically all of the plans that have now been canceled were “bad” and scam-like even though the media’s spent the past week interviewing consumers who wish they could have them back.

None of this excuses Pryor et al. for not anticipating what would happen but it does create political space for them potentially to say that, knowing what they know now about how HHS implemented the grandfather rules, they might have voted differently. And once they say that, future ObamaCare votes in the Senate start to look … interesting. Via the Corner, here’s Avik Roy explaining that the individual insurance market is really just a canary in the coal mine; disruption has already begun on the much bigger employer-based market, with full impact scheduled for 2015 once the “delay” in the employer mandate ends. If red-state Dems think they’re having a tough time explaining their votes now, just wait. Exit question: Roy says of O’s now infamous “if you like your plan” nonsense, ““Everyone in the health-policy community left, right, or center knew this was a lie.” How come Senate Democrats didn’t know?


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Exit question: Roy says of O’s now infamous “if you like your plan” nonsense, ““Everyone in the health-policy community left, right, or center knew this was a lie.” How come Senate Democrats didn’t know?

They DID know. Maybe they didn’t anticipate this many people losing their insurance(at least not this quickly), but don’t tell me that the vast majority of Dems who supported this crap didn’t realize that at some point people were going to have their current plan cancelled in favor of a newer, more “comprehensive” one.

Doughboy on November 1, 2013 at 11:24 AM

I am feeling good about getting Obamacare repealed. 2017 isn’t far off.

bluegill on November 1, 2013 at 11:25 AM

Nice job CNN. 3 years late is better than never, I guess.

Dead Hand Control on November 1, 2013 at 11:25 AM

Oopsie.

katy the mean old lady on November 1, 2013 at 11:26 AM

Hammertime!

rightside on November 1, 2013 at 11:26 AM

Time to make popcorn. Where are those luvable Oboobi trolls to tell us we’re wrong about everything either Oboobi?

AH_C on November 1, 2013 at 11:26 AM

The only thing not going to plan? Obamacare crashing and burning on the launch pad this quick. If it had worked, kinda sorta, for a year or so, then the push for single payer to “fix the issues” would be a legit argument. As it is, who in their right mind would want to trust government with anything after this?

Vanceone on November 1, 2013 at 11:27 AM

They knew! A big lie has to have a lot of other lies to support it.

d1carter on November 1, 2013 at 11:27 AM

How does the POTUS continue as POTUS after this…?

d1carter on November 1, 2013 at 11:28 AM

Mayo Clinic hits back.

Schadenfreude on November 1, 2013 at 11:28 AM

How come Senate Democrats didn’t know?

Because they are Democrats?

I kid, I kid… Well, not really, but they knew. They had to know, it is the only way to make this unworkable thing even remotely workable, and by that I mean “sellable”.

It was an election year after all…

Gatsu on November 1, 2013 at 11:28 AM

I fear we are going to see how radical Dear Leader can really be…

d1carter on November 1, 2013 at 11:29 AM

“If you like to keep your president” — obama 2012

Such stupid people deserve this Turd in Chief.

He stinks so badly that flies surround him, always. Just look at all who work with him.

Schadenfreude on November 1, 2013 at 11:29 AM

How come Senate Democrats didn’t know?

I think, for the most part, they vote along party lines, not bothering to even read the titles of the legislation, much less the whole bill.

sadatoni on November 1, 2013 at 11:30 AM

What?

According to the majority of the lamestream and the hard left bloviators, the GOP has never, ever, had any plans or proposals for the reform or replacement of Obamacare….

Athos on November 1, 2013 at 11:31 AM

Vanceone on November 1, 2013 at 11:27 AM

They needed it to last just long enough to kill off the insurance industry so single payer would be the “only” option to fix the mess.

Flange on November 1, 2013 at 11:31 AM

The US is the ONLY land in the world which has obama’care’.

In NO other country, not even in Russia/China, is there a mandate.

Enjoy your new slavery, sheepleton.

He will always be at 47%, as it s/b. Included are a bunch of R moochers.

This s/b enough to ‘pichfork’ all in DC.

Schadenfreude on November 1, 2013 at 11:31 AM

How do you re-grandfather a plan? Once a plan is dropped, the individual is not longer a customer. You can’t force an insurance company to create and sell a product to someone who is not currently their customer, just like you can’t force individuals to buy something they do not wish to. Unless it’s a tax. Then that makes it all better.

Fenris on November 1, 2013 at 11:31 AM

Big question mark, though: Did Senate Democrats anticipate just how restrictive Obama’s HHS would be in writing the regulations that ended up disqualifying many plans from grandfather status?

Who cares? These four must be buried. In the meantime, it’s time to look for other Senate races that may be within striking distance. Find damaged constituents and begin running the ads.

Oh, and those with employer-provided insurance are next. Don’t think the large employers are looking to dump their coverage either.

Fine. I’d rather see this anachronistic system of employer-provided insurance go away. But why get left with crappy state and federal exchanges? Why can’t the insurance be sold nationally? Let’s allow national competition drive down premiums, and then we can discuss the system by which we can help the uninsurable.

BuckeyeSam on November 1, 2013 at 11:31 AM

And just like their dear leader they are left with confessing they lied or admitting they are imbeciles not fit for office.

txhsmom on November 1, 2013 at 11:31 AM

So why did the insurance companies go along…$

d1carter on November 1, 2013 at 11:32 AM

So, I guess what the Democrats are saying is, they had to read it to find out what’s in it. I think we need to ask our representatives how much of the law are they willing to write and how much are they willing to leave to the whim of the executive. It appears that if the Democrats have the power, their President has a lot of power, if it’s a Republican president, not so much.

Gee, have CNN’s numbers gone low enough where they think they can actually do a ramdom act of journalism and not be thrown off the board at journolist?

bflat879 on November 1, 2013 at 11:32 AM

You know what to do, Republican ad-makers.

Assertion without evidence.

RINO in Name Only on November 1, 2013 at 11:34 AM

I still haven’t seen a cohesive plan for a Free-Market structure.

Through this manufactured crisis, there are 2 options for resolution: Single payer or Free-market. Best be making the case for the latter now.

AeroSpear on November 1, 2013 at 11:34 AM

“A new law has been passed that requires all the nations landlords to only rent apartments that have nurseries, dens and a third bath. Your landlord sends you a letter informing you he will have to upgrade your apt and raise your rent. With your extra rent he will subsidize your neighbor’s apt rent. You don’t need the nursery, den or third bath. Your neighbor does.

See why people are upset?”…

Gardner

PatriotRider on November 1, 2013 at 11:35 AM

Affordable – Not

Care – Not

Act – indeed

Patient – is dead

obama’care’ all the way. Don’t let obama and Carney call it the ACA now. They adopted it for the 2012 re-elect.

The turds now deserve their huuuuuuuge turd. Eat it, and suffocate from it.

Schadenfreude on November 1, 2013 at 11:35 AM

Look at the picture to the left of this thread…all the turd is missing are a bunch of flies.

Schadenfreude on November 1, 2013 at 11:36 AM

Time to make popcorn. Where are those luvable Oboobi trolls to tell us we’re wrong about everything either Oboobi?

AH_C on November 1, 2013 at 11:26 AM

Our resident trolls do seem to be rather quiet lately. Have they even been attempting to spin all of this? I have not even seen libstoopidordie try to say much lately.

NoFanofLibs on November 1, 2013 at 11:38 AM

The only thing not going to plan? Obamacare crashing and burning on the launch pad this quick. If it had worked, kinda sorta, for a year or so, then the push for single payer to “fix the issues” would be a legit argument. As it is, who in their right mind would want to trust government with anything after this?

Vanceone on November 1, 2013 at 11:27 AM

Not only will this undermine the case for single payer, it’ll make it tough for progressives to argue for a larger, more interventionist government under almost any circumstance in the future. They can’t launch a website or build a damn fence on our border. How can they be entrusted to do anything else?

Doughboy on November 1, 2013 at 11:38 AM

As a friend of mine said about this mess last night…Ted Kaczynski is starting look sane…

PatriotRider on November 1, 2013 at 11:40 AM

Our resident trolls do seem to be rather quiet lately. Have they even been attempting to spin all of this? I have not even seen libstoopidordie try to say much lately.

NoFanofLibs on November 1, 2013 at 11:38 AM

Overdosed on obama-sh*t

Schadenfreude on November 1, 2013 at 11:40 AM

You know what to do, Republican ad-makers.

Yeah – CRUSH CONSERVATIVES AND THE TEA PARTY, right?

/

Midas on November 1, 2013 at 11:40 AM

When you wish upon a star turd
This is truly where you are
Sheep, oh sheep, oh true
obama’care’ will come to you

Schadenfreude on November 1, 2013 at 11:43 AM

I think what we’re heading for is a split.

ACA will get junked.

But “Obamacare” will be pushed by the Dems as the name of the fix.

And the media will play along as a way to save Barry’s legacy.

budfox on November 1, 2013 at 11:44 AM

Big question mark, though: Did Senate Democrats anticipate just how restrictive Obama’s HHS would be in writing the regulations that ended up disqualifying many plans from grandfather status?

To me, it defies believability to think that the Senate Democrats did not have at least a very strong indication as to how HHS and the IRS would write the regulations related to the ACA – if not by the promises / words of those in the Administration (particularly the legal counsels from the WH down into HHS / IRS) – but also on the basis of the past history of regulations being written in the Executive Branch departments and agencies (EPA etc) which are largely dominated by ‘professional bureaucrats’ with strong liberal / progressive leanings.

This ‘faith’ in how regulations were going to be written was also codified and demonstrated by the Senate Democrats in their efforts on bills like Dodd / Frank, the failed Cap and Trade bill, and other major steps to implement ‘fundamental change’. In all of the bills promoted in 2009 through early 2010, the Senate Democrats in all of them assigned significant authority to the regulation writers in the Executive Branch – to the point that many were concerned about Congress giving up some of their constitutional powers to the Executive Branch.

Athos on November 1, 2013 at 11:46 AM

the sad thing is he’s still there until january 2017. we are stuck

gerrym51 on November 1, 2013 at 11:47 AM

When you wish for oh a zero
An empty suit in your O’bozo
Sheepleton will rule you
He so aptly fools you

Marry Katharine Ham called him a “Liar” and “full of horsepucky” this morning….while Juan Williams was seen eating another bowl of turdproducts.

Schadenfreude on November 1, 2013 at 11:48 AM

Our resident trolls do seem to be rather quiet lately. Have they even been attempting to spin all of this? I have not even seen libstoopidordie try to say much lately.

NoFanofLibs on November 1, 2013 at 11:38 AM

I don’t think I’ve seen ANY of our usual libtard trolls all week – not one. Maybe I missed something, but I have seen no attempts to spin any of this disaster. OFA must be in total disarray.

dentarthurdent on November 1, 2013 at 11:52 AM

Over 100 million will lose their plans…small businesses.

It’s all in obama’s plan. In Boston he said it clearly that he is a communist.

Enjoy his destruction. He is the most transparent president in history.

Only one hope – more and more DO NOT comply. It was said on Faux this a.m.

Schadenfreude on November 1, 2013 at 11:52 AM

Think this should be the Democrat Party theme song for the upcoming 2014 and 2016 elections….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwtV7L5bxtk

Butcher bill is coming due…Time to hit you witha big wave….or two

abnormal_1 on November 1, 2013 at 11:56 AM

Dems like Tom Harkin defended their vote against the GOP proposal in 2010 at the time by claiming that it might, in theory, end up re-grandfathering everything, which would defeat the purpose of rendering truly bad plans illegal.

nope, doesnt hold water. 0bama said “if you like it you can keep it” no if, ands or buts. and the GOP needs to stop trying to pass laws to override the regs forcing insurance cancellations. the more people adversely effected the larger groundswell to support repeal. stop trying to fix it!!

chasdal on November 1, 2013 at 11:57 AM

Only one hope – more and more DO NOT comply. It was said on Faux this a.m.

Schadenfreude on November 1, 2013 at 11:52 AM

Well, I can’t really “not comply”, regarding the mandate anyway.
I have a very good company sponsored/subsidized health insurance policy, and my company is saying they consider the policies to be “grandfathered”, so as far as they’re concerned we’re all legally covered.

dentarthurdent on November 1, 2013 at 11:57 AM

Allah, quit giving the Marxists free advice on how to “spin” this!

cdog0613 on November 1, 2013 at 11:59 AM

dentarthurdent on November 1, 2013 at 11:52 AM

They are on the abortion thread. They are trying to ignore Obama’s Waterloo.

kingsjester on November 1, 2013 at 11:59 AM

We all know what is coming:

1. If you like your retirement plan, you can keep it.

2. If you like your house you can keep it.

etc.

esr1951 on November 1, 2013 at 12:00 PM

Do NOT comply. It is your patriotic duty. Fox said this a.m. that more and more citizens opt for this.

I will not comply because I am a free citizen of the United States, not a subject of its government. I consider non-compliance with this monstrosity and the tens of thousands of pages of regulations that are to be enforced by an unelected bureaucracy, and that have left a gigantic carbon footprint on our environment and the United States Constitution, a duty.

Non-compliance is my executive order, and that order reads in part that I do not recognize any government’s claim on my action or inaction in the marketplace, nor upon any personal information I am unwilling to divulge.

Schadenfreude on November 1, 2013 at 12:01 PM

Dems like Tom Harkin defended their vote against the GOP proposal in 2010 at the time by claiming that it might, in theory, end up re-grandfathering everything, which would defeat the purpose of rendering truly bad plans illegal.

nope, doesnt hold water. 0bama said “if you like it you can keep it” no if, ands or buts. and the GOP needs to stop trying to pass laws to override the regs forcing insurance cancellations. the more people adversely effected the larger groundswell to support repeal. stop trying to fix it!!

chasdal on November 1, 2013 at 11:57 AM

And the further fallacy of that statement is that in a “free market” – it doesn’t matter if a plan is “really bad”. People won’t buy it, or if they have, they will find something else as soon as they can. In a free market, bad products eventually die out.
And the further reality is – under 0care we’re all actually being forced into bad plans.

dentarthurdent on November 1, 2013 at 12:02 PM

They are trying to ignore Obama’s Waterloo.

kingsjester on November 1, 2013 at 11:59 AM

They were in the bow of his Titanic.

He left the ship with the first kids’ boat, contrary to the captain of the real Titanic.

Schadenfreude on November 1, 2013 at 12:03 PM

How come Senate Democrats didn’t know?

cuz they’re idiots…..they had supermajority so this was there i won moment

cmsinaz on November 1, 2013 at 12:05 PM

I am feeling good about getting Obamacare repealed. 2017 isn’t far off.

bluegill on November 1, 2013 at 11:25 AM

I think the Supreme Court will get its chance at a do-over before 2017. If the SC rules against the HHS contraception/abortion mandate then all the other mandates become vulnerable, including the employer mandate of 50 employees. So Obamacare will still be “law” but the mandates will be unconstitutional.

The Supreme Court ruled in theory last time and now reality has hit.

monalisa on November 1, 2013 at 12:06 PM

Maybe I missed something, but I have seen no attempts to spin any of this disaster. OFA must be in total disarray.

dentarthurdent on November 1, 2013 at 11:52 AM

Haven’t you seen the “this is just like Medicare Part D and Romneycare” spin?

monalisa on November 1, 2013 at 12:08 PM

Most of them knew, but honestly, Landrieu doesn’t strike me as the sharpest pencil in the drawer. And Boxer is dumb as a stump. I’ll bet a chunk of these idiots actually did believe Obama.

MaureenTheTemp on November 1, 2013 at 12:09 PM

It is time for Dear Leader to double down…look for something big.

d1carter on November 1, 2013 at 12:11 PM

I don’t know what disgusts me more, these weasely Dems running for cover or the weasely MSM for acting like they are journalists all of a sudden.

neyney on November 1, 2013 at 12:14 PM

Per CNN, some Dems like Tom Harkin defended their vote against the GOP proposal in 2010 at the time by claiming that it might, in theory, end up re-grandfathering everything, which would defeat the purpose of rendering truly bad plans illegal.

Quit this bullcrap or put up some hard examples. There are no “truly bad plans”.

There are cheap plans that are basically catastrophic-only coverage that citizens have chosen of their own free will.

slickwillie2001 on November 1, 2013 at 12:16 PM

It is time for Dear Leader to double down…look for something big.

d1carter on November 1, 2013 at 12:11 PM

Time for a Reichstag fire?
http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/riseofhitler/burns.htm

maryo on November 1, 2013 at 12:17 PM

I think the Supreme Court will get its chance at a do-over before 2017. If the SC rules against the HHS contraception/abortion mandate then all the other mandates become vulnerable, including the employer mandate of 50 employees. So Obamacare will still be “law” but the mandates will be unconstitutional.

The Supreme Court ruled in theory last time and now reality has hit.

monalisa on November 1, 2013 at 12:06 PM

If the courts rule that paying federal subsidies through the federal exchange is illegal, that can also kill off the beast.

slickwillie2001 on November 1, 2013 at 12:19 PM

It is time for Dear Leader to double down…look for something big.

d1carter on November 1, 2013 at 12:11 PM

He is making his 204th pivot towards jobs…..

Athos on November 1, 2013 at 12:21 PM

Thinking of the SCOTUS, perhaps history might take a slightly different look at John Roberts and his change of heart in last term’s SCOTUS ruling on the ACA….

…by not declaring the ACA unconstitutional, and letting the ACA launch on Oct 1, everyone is getting to see first hand not only that the ACA is an EpicClusterFarkNado, but that the credibility of the ACA is being utterly shredded.

And it’s not only the credibility of the ACA that is being utterly shredded, but also the credibility of Barack Obama and the progressive vision of a big government being the solution to all problems that are also being effectively destroyed.

It would be ironic if Robert’s terrible decision ultimately achieves a beneficial end result.

Athos on November 1, 2013 at 12:26 PM

Haven’t you seen the “this is just like Medicare Part D and Romneycare” spin?

monalisa on November 1, 2013 at 12:08 PM

Missed that.
I’ve seen some comments (from “normal” people) referring to those things – but never saw the originals from the trolls.
Other than a couple of trolls over on the abortion thread today, I think red_herring is the only one I can remember seeing all week.
Of course – my memory could be the main problem there…..

dentarthurdent on November 1, 2013 at 12:27 PM

Here is a link to S.J.Res. 39 introduced by Mike Enzi (R-WY) on 09/21/2010 titled “A joint resolution providing for congressional disapproval under chapter 8 of title 5, United States Code, of the rule relating to status as a grandfathered health plan under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.” http://is.gd/l8SXzf

The text of the Resolution reads:

“Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That Congress disapproves the rule submitted by the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, Department of Health and Human Services relating to status as a Grandfathered Health Plan under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (published at 75 Fed. Reg. 34538 (June 17, 2010)), and such rule shall have no force or Effect.”

Here is a lengthy but informative analysis by American for Limited Government dated 8/16/2010 about the HHS rule that changes the Grandfather Clause(75 Fed. Reg. 34538): http://is.gd/WPntmw

And here is a link to the the Senate roll call vote in which Dems killed the Resolution : http://is.gd/xgo8sS

jstjoan on November 1, 2013 at 12:29 PM

He is making his 204th pivot towards jobs…..

Athos on November 1, 2013 at 12:21 PM

There are some literally shovel-ready jobs available doing hasardous waste cleanup at the bankrupt “green energy” manufacturing plants.
Maybe he’ll talk that up…..

Oooohh – maybe that was his plan all along – spend billions on green energy companies that are going bankrupt so their former employees can be re-hired to celan up the hazardous wastes they created.
Sounds like a plan, man….

dentarthurdent on November 1, 2013 at 12:30 PM

Poll: 71% Think Obama Knew Beforehand Obamacare Would Jack Up Health Care Premiums Before Law Was Implemented…

Via Washington Secrets:

A new poll finds that most Americans believe that President Obama and his health care team knew well in advance that insurance costs would surge despite his promises they wouldn’t, and as a result 40 percent want Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius to retire or be fired.

Rasmussen Reports found that 71 percent of voters believe “it’s at least somewhat likely that President Obama or senior officials in his administration were aware long before the law began being implemented that health insurance costs would go up for some Americans.”

Worse for the president: Only 18 percent want Obamacare to move on unchanged, while 43 percent want it repealed and the process started over and another 35 percent want Congress to fix it in a piecemeal fashion.

Resist We Much on November 1, 2013 at 12:40 PM

Of course they knew. The whole point of the R resolution was to block the HHS grandfather regs. Hell, the debate on the floor even told them that this exact thing would happen. They are toast. There is wriggle room here. They voted for this pos and then doubled down by voting against the resolution.

Ta111 on November 1, 2013 at 12:42 PM

I think the demorats expected free coffee on the obie-exchanges.

They ignored the reality in the hope that the exchanges would work by offering something people would buy, not realizing that minimum mandates are not free.

Major insurance companies declined/dropped out of the exchanges – They knew they could not offer something people would buy for the price.

TerryW on November 1, 2013 at 12:48 PM

Big question mark, though: Did Senate Democrats anticipate just how restrictive Obama’s HHS would be in writing the regulations that ended up disqualifying many plans from grandfather status?

This resolution was brought up in September 2010 by the Republicans. The restrictions & amendments that Sebelius ( HHS ) made to the grandfather clause, etc were done IIRC in June of 2010.

Surely, this was brought out by the Republicans; otherwise why bother with the Resolution?

I want to see the Roll Call Vote on that. These Dem rats deserve everything they get.

bluefox on November 1, 2013 at 12:50 PM

jstjoan on November 1, 2013 at 12:29 PM

Thank you so much. I was getting ready to search for that info.

Awesome search by you!!!

bluefox on November 1, 2013 at 1:04 PM

Here is a link to S.J.Res. 39 introduced by Mike Enzi (R-WY) on 09/21/2010 titled “A joint resolution providing for congressional disapproval under chapter 8 of title 5, United States Code, of the rule relating to status as a grandfathered health plan under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.”

BTW, Senator Mike Enzi is now being primaried by Liz Cheney, daughter of former VP Dick Cheney. By introducing his resolution over three years ago, Enzi showed that he was ahead of the curve on fighting Obamacare. Why doesn’t little Lizzie choose a more liberal target for her wannabe Senator ego trip? We could use more Senators like Mike Enzi!

Steve Z on November 1, 2013 at 1:07 PM

BTW, Senator Mike Enzi is now being primaried by Liz Cheney, daughter of former VP Dick Cheney. By introducing his resolution over three years ago, Enzi showed that he was ahead of the curve on fighting Obamacare. Why doesn’t little Lizzie choose a more liberal target for her wannabe Senator ego trip? We could use more Senators like Mike Enzi!

Steve Z on November 1, 2013 at 1:07 PM

Sure he wasn’t trying to help Obama?

kcewa on November 1, 2013 at 1:20 PM

Slavery

Schadenfreude on November 1, 2013 at 1:22 PM

BTW, Senator Mike Enzi is now being primaried by Liz Cheney, daughter of former VP Dick Cheney. By introducing his resolution over three years ago, Enzi showed that he was ahead of the curve on fighting Obamacare. Why doesn’t little Lizzie choose a more liberal target for her wannabe Senator ego trip? We could use more Senators like Mike Enzi!

Steve Z on November 1, 2013 at 1:07 PM

I was thinking the same thing. Cheney is about trying to take out Conservatives. She could have ran against one or both Senators in VA where she has lived for years & years.

I hope what Enzi did 3 years ago, gets back to Wyoming voters!

Also, Enzi signed the Dontfundit site that Cruz had up, but Cheney did not. As they say, talk is cheap.

bluefox on November 1, 2013 at 1:28 PM

Sure he wasn’t trying to help Obama?

kcewa on November 1, 2013 at 1:20 PM

Nope, you need to read what AP quoted:

On a party line vote, Democrats killed the resolution, which could come back to haunt vulnerable Democrats up for re-election this year.

bluefox on November 1, 2013 at 1:32 PM

Slavery

Schadenfreude on November 1, 2013 at 1:22 PM

Great speech by Rogers! I didn’t know he had it in him.

bluefox on November 1, 2013 at 1:39 PM

Mother Jones Shocker: ‘New Poll Shows Democratic Incumbents in Big Trouble’

In Democratic districts, net incumbent approval has plummeted by 11 points, from +8 approval to +3 disapproval. In Republican districts, incumbent approval has gone down only 4 points. You see the same results when they ask a question about warmth of feeling toward incumbents: It’s down 7 points in Republican districts and 9 points in Democratic districts.

This isn’t good news for Democrats. It’s true that attitudes toward the Republican Party have taken a bigger hit than attitudes toward the Democratic Party, but attitudes toward actual incumbents are exactly the opposite. And in elections, that’s what matters.

Resist We Much on November 1, 2013 at 1:42 PM

Ted Cruz and Mike Lee, plus whomever, should be drawing up plans for a full-scale attack on the democrats who uniformly created obamacare and who then uniformly voted against the measure that would have saved individual plans.
We need a general: This is an opportunity to rout the enemy, which is in disarray.

GaltBlvnAtty on November 1, 2013 at 1:53 PM

Liar in Chief

Schadenfreude on November 1, 2013 at 2:29 PM

Resist We Much on November 1, 2013 at 1:42 PM

I think as more and more of this article that AP posted here gets out, those Dem numbers will drop and the R’s will improve.

I see Enzi up, Dems down and R’s improving.

bluefox on November 1, 2013 at 2:40 PM

The interesting reaction about all of this for me is the Obamalovers. Not only do they think this is a GOP plot (as if they were smart enough to have a plot) but they talk about these new non-junk policies premiums and deductibles as something people are just going to have to get use to. They treat it like the cost of a gallon of gas, people could afford it if they really tried.

Cindy Munford on November 1, 2013 at 4:14 PM

Resist We Much on November 1, 2013 at 12:40 PM

That’s a depressing headline, 71% knew and still reelected this azzache?

Cindy Munford on November 1, 2013 at 4:16 PM

We need a general: This is an opportunity to rout the enemy, which is in disarray.

GaltBlvnAtty on November 1, 2013 at 1:53 PM

I’m sure they will. We can all make sure our friends & relatives know the truth too. Many around me don’t take the time to stay up to date or are working and some aren’t on the web. Since I try to stay up to date, I make sure they hear it from me:-)

bluefox on November 1, 2013 at 4:38 PM

Resist We Much on November 1, 2013 at 12:40 PM

That’s a depressing headline, 71% knew and still reelected this azzache?

Cindy Munford on November 1, 2013 at 4:16 PM

Most of them also knew THEY would not be paying for it, so yes, of course they voted for this anti-American idiot.

riddick on November 1, 2013 at 5:30 PM

Here is a link to S.J.Res. 39 introduced by Mike Enzi (R-WY) on 09/21/2010 titled “A joint resolution providing for congressional disapproval under chapter 8 of title 5, United States Code, of the rule relating to status as a grandfathered health plan under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.” http://is.gd/l8SXzf

The text of the Resolution reads:

jstjoan on November 1, 2013 at 12:29 PM

I read most of the links & roll call votes you provided. Just want to make a note that Senator Mike Enzi proposed this joint resolution and had NO co-sponsors. Not ONE Republican or Dem Senator stood with him. Senator Enzi showed a lot of courage in doing this imo.

As AP said the vote was a Party Line Vote and the Roll Call Vote Summary confirms that.

My point being is that every R & D Senator understood in 2010 that this grandfather clause was in the Obamacare bill.

The Dems are more responsible however for their Vote against the Resolution to proceed.

Am in the process of noting which ones are up for re-election.

Thanks again for providing this needed information.

bluefox on November 2, 2013 at 1:10 PM