WSJ/NBC: For the first time, views of Obama are more unfavorable than favorable

posted at 8:01 pm on October 30, 2013 by Allahpundit

Lots of people, including NBC, are leading with the fact that his job approval is also at a new low (42/51), but that’s less interesting to me than his favorable rating. Of course his job approval’s in the tank. How could it not be? He’s tangled up in the NSA dragnet again, he’s still smarting (as is the GOP) from public bitterness about the shutdown, and he’s got a five-alarm political fire on his hands from the dual failures of Healthcare.gov and the “if you like your plan” fiasco. This isn’t even the worst approval rating he’s had in polling lately: YouGov pegged him at 44/54 and last week Fox News had him at 41/53. He’s lucky he’s not below 40 percent. Yet.

His favorable rating is more significant to me because that’s not so much a measure of a politician’s performance as it is his likeability. You can think a guy’s doing a crappy job but still sympathize with him personally. O’s been underwater in WSJ/NBC’s job approval polling before — he had an especially bad stretch in late 2011 — but the public continued on balance to have a more favorable impression of him than an unfavorable one. They’ve been on his side, even when they’ve when they’ve been unhappy with the results. But not anymore:

The NBC/WSJ pollsters argue that no single reason explains Obama’s lower poll standing. Rather, they attribute it to the accumulation of setbacks since the summer — allegations of spying by the National Security Agency, the debate over Syria’s chemical weapons, the government shutdown and now intense scrutiny over the problems associated with the health care law’s federal website and its overall implementation…

And for the first time in the survey, even Obama’s personal ratings are upside-down, with 41 percent viewing him a favorable light and 45 percent viewing him negatively.

“Personally and politically, the public’s assessment is two thumbs down,” says Democratic pollster Peter D. Hart, who conducted this survey with Republican pollster Bill McInturff.

Key question: Are they upside-down because people are exasperated over the shutdown or because it’s starting to dawn on them that ObamaCare might be worse than they thought? Here’s two bits from the crosstabs showing that, while Republicans did end up taking the brunt of the blame for the shutdown, it’s not as lopsided as Democrats hoped it would be:

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The share of the public blaming Republicans singularly for the government closing down doesn't even crack 40 percent, and O is at net -20 favorability on his handling of it. Now, the numbers on O-Care:

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The fact that there’s 52 percent who think the law needs a major overhaul or should be eliminated entirely doesn’t surprise me, although it’s splashy enough that NBC has devoted a separate post to it. That’s in line with O-Care’s traditional levels of 45/55 approval. What’s interesting is the first table, showing opposition to the law starting to tick upward again after falling during the shutdown. That contradicts the Gallup poll I posted earlier suggesting that support for the law is steady due to partisan divisions. Maybe not. Maybe the Healthcare.gov apocalypse and percolating media coverage of rate shock are starting to bite. And do note: This poll was only conducted through October 28th. If it’s true that the public’s souring on ObamaCare, they’re surely even sour today than they were on Monday.

I’ll leave you with this. Anyone care to float an explanation?

[S]upport for the law has slipped with one key group – women, who traditionally rank health care as a higher priority than men, and who are seen as an important plank in selling the law.

Americans called it a bad idea by a 47-37 percent margin – a shift from 43-38 percent earlier this month. But among women, a group President Barack Obama won by 11 points in 2012, just 38 percent think it’s a good idea, while 45 percent do not. That’s down from early October, when most women said the law was a good idea by a 41-39 percent margin.

Among white women, results are even worse. Three weeks ago, they thought it was a bad idea by a 46-36 percent margin. Now a majority say so, at 52-32 percent.


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Too little, too late, Not up for re-election….

El_Terrible on October 30, 2013 at 8:03 PM

That’s storybook, man

Murphy9 on October 30, 2013 at 8:05 PM

Slipped support among women because they’re more nurturing and seeing their family take a hit sucks the wind out of its sails.

El_Terrible on October 30, 2013 at 8:06 PM

….for the first time!…WTF?

KOOLAID2 on October 30, 2013 at 8:06 PM

All it took was a Second 9-11 Al Qaeda terror attack, and a government takeover of the auto and insurance industries.

Stay tuned. He’s just getting warmed up.

faraway on October 30, 2013 at 8:06 PM

Let’s hope so. Empirical evidence has proven him to be a liar and a manipulator.

rplat on October 30, 2013 at 8:06 PM

Among white women, results are even worse. Three weeks ago, they thought it was a bad idea by a 46-36 percent margin. Now a majority say so, at 52-32 percent.

So these 52 % will vote for Killery .
Big deal.

burrata on October 30, 2013 at 8:07 PM

Once people realize that you’ve been lying to them, it’s hard to get a high approval rating.

PackerBronco on October 30, 2013 at 8:07 PM

Slipped support among women because they’re more nurturing and seeing their family take a hit sucks the wind out of its sails.
El_Terrible on October 30, 2013 at 8:06 PM

Yep.

txhsmom on October 30, 2013 at 8:08 PM

not in my house….

ctmom on October 30, 2013 at 8:08 PM

Obama, the Serial Pathological Liar.

VorDaj on October 30, 2013 at 8:09 PM

He will completely recover from these low numbers. Folks will like Single Payer. It will be his legacy.

Bmore on October 30, 2013 at 8:09 PM

So? He’d still win a third term.

HB3 on October 30, 2013 at 8:10 PM

Obama, raping women’s health care.

VorDaj on October 30, 2013 at 8:10 PM

Allahpundit:
I think @ForecasterEnten noted another recent poll that had Obama’s favorable rating underwater. I remember him pointing that out on twitter within the last month IIRC. Not a huge deal whether this poll or another is the first, but it is pretty significant that two recent polls show the same finding on Obama’s favorables.

msmveritas on October 30, 2013 at 8:12 PM

I’ll leave you with this. Anyone care to float an explanation?

Because women have budgets, too, and higher premiums do not compensate for the ‘free’ contraception?

IOW, a few more women have discovered that the toy in the McDonald’s Happy Meal really isn’t free.

Resist We Much on October 30, 2013 at 8:12 PM

So let’s see, his approval rating’s dropped 2-3 points, and the survey has a margin of error of about 3.5. Wow, devastating.

“The survey of 800 adults was conducted Oct. 25 to Oct. 28 and has a margin of error of plus-or-minus 3.46 percentage points.”

HB3 on October 30, 2013 at 8:13 PM

The ass factor finally kicks in. But what difference does it really make now?

TexAz on October 30, 2013 at 8:13 PM

He will completely recover from these low numbers. Folks will like Single Payer. It will be his legacy.

Bmore on October 30, 2013 at 8:09 PM

Single payer will NOT get passed under Barack Obama. He will never again have 60 votes in the Senate.

Resist We Much on October 30, 2013 at 8:14 PM

[S]upport for the law has slipped with one key group – women, who traditionally rank health care as a higher priority than men, and who are seen as an important plank in selling the law.

They manage the household budgets and write the checks. Usually.

They’re the ones who are seeing the bottom-line impact.

nukemhill on October 30, 2013 at 8:17 PM

HB3 on October 30, 2013 at 8:13 PM

It’s is the first time that Obama’s personal approval rating has become unfavourable in the WSJ/NBC poll.

For years, he has magically been able to keep his personal approval ratings in the 50s or even 60s while his job approval ratings were lower. People no longer see him as honest or competent. The ‘If you like your plan, you can keep your plan’ fiasco comes on the heels of ‘I didn’t draw that red line.’

People no longer believe that he is telling them the truth.

Resist We Much on October 30, 2013 at 8:18 PM

Single payer will NOT get passed under Barack Obama. He will never again have 60 votes in the Senate.

Resist We Much on October 30, 2013 at 8:14 PM

I dunno. McCain seems pretty reliably in his camp.

nukemhill on October 30, 2013 at 8:18 PM

That LA TIMES quote explains women:

She said, ‘I was all for Obamacare until I found out I was paying for it,’” Kehaly said.

SouthernGent on October 30, 2013 at 8:19 PM

Women are starting to do a lot more of the bookkeeping for households. They also are more exposed to fluctuations in their disposable income. Stay at home moms, for example, are very aware of the disposable income that a family has.

As more women find out that Obamacare is increasing insurance rates, they will turn against it.

Thats really the only thing I can come up with for their slipping approval.

Blu3Yeti on October 30, 2013 at 8:20 PM

The ‘If you like your plan, you can keep your plan’ fiasco comes on the heels of ‘I didn’t draw that red line.’

People no longer believe that he is telling them the truth.

Resist We Much on October 30, 2013 at 8:18 PM

It’s quite a list:
- It was a video, not Al Qaeda
- I didn’t draw a red line
- If you like your plan

Any more?

faraway on October 30, 2013 at 8:21 PM

I dunno. McCain seems pretty reliably in his camp.

nukemhill on October 30, 2013 at 8:18 PM

Not on healthcare. Not even Susan Collins voted for Obamacare. If he couldn’t get McVain and Collins to vote for Obamacare, how will he get them to vote for the socialists’ dream of single-payer?

Resist We Much on October 30, 2013 at 8:21 PM

SAHMs might have to go out and work TWO part time jobs just to pay for Ocare.
Good luck widdat.

pambi on October 30, 2013 at 8:21 PM

Women do not like two things change and uncertainty!!

Obamacare is bringing both in spades.

PleaseFlyOver on October 30, 2013 at 8:21 PM

I would write “How Nixonian!” but that would be an affront to Nixon…
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Accept no substitutes! ØbamaCare is the issue, not the elections, not falsely blaming Republicans for the Federal partial shutdown, not the Benghazi atrocities, but the presidential deceit about ØbamaCare and Healthcare.gov and his acolytes’ attempt to cover for him on this issue alone.

ExpressoBold on October 30, 2013 at 8:22 PM

Immigration reform will send his approval rating back to 50% while simultaneously ripping apart the GOP base.

Wigglesworth on October 30, 2013 at 8:22 PM

That’s a poll I would’ve liked to contribute too….

The Nerve on October 30, 2013 at 8:22 PM

Resist We Much on October 30, 2013 at 8:14 PM

Won’t matter much I reckon. He will be rewarded with it. He is after all Noble Prize stock. ; )

Bmore on October 30, 2013 at 8:23 PM

Any more?

faraway on October 30, 2013 at 8:21 PM

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The IRS did not unfairly target conservative groups…

ExpressoBold on October 30, 2013 at 8:24 PM

So, there in the gutter eh!!

canopfor on October 30, 2013 at 8:25 PM

Most women handle finances and they are the ones opening their ObamaGrams.

…. doesn’t matter. It’s too late… Can’t be fixed.

Key West Reader on October 30, 2013 at 8:25 PM

Imagine how low these numbers would be if we had an honest media. Could be in the 20s

The Notorious G.O.P on October 30, 2013 at 8:26 PM

Rats. Should have done this:

It’s quite a list:
- It was a video, not Al Qaeda
- I didn’t draw a red line
- If you like your plan

Any more?

faraway on October 30, 2013 at 8:21 PM

.
The IRS did not unfairly target conservative groups…

ExpressoBold on October 30, 2013 at 8:26 PM

..oh, keeeeee-rist! Here we go again. Look, folks, we have 1,178 more days of this assshole. He said it himself: there are 45,000,000 mentally ill out there. Those folks along with the ones who want free stuff will keep him at about 40% and then the nostalgia will build in during the 2016 election and he’ll remain at 45-52% for the rest of his worthless life.

The truly awful thing is that President Stool Sample will never go away. He will be Bubba Clinton on steroids — always Hoovering up the limelight.

The War Planner on October 30, 2013 at 8:26 PM

I’d guess it has more to do with the fact that the propaganda machine that propped him up to begin with is now acting a little bit like a fifth estate, so now it’s not as cool to be an Obama supporter as it was before. If he wins them back or if they find a more competent Commie to support we’re still in the same boat.

Shay on October 30, 2013 at 8:28 PM

Interesting, almost as low as Osama Bin Ladans Body
that was deep sixed, heading to the Hopey’s Abyss,

near Challenger Deep, in Mariannas Trench!!

(Le Sarc)

canopfor on October 30, 2013 at 8:28 PM

Immigration reform will send his approval rating back to 50% while simultaneously ripping apart the GOP base.

Wigglesworth on October 30, 2013 at 8:22 PM

Correction, with all due respect.

The GOP has ALREADY lost its base. Make no mistake about that.

Key West Reader on October 30, 2013 at 8:28 PM

It’s quite a list:
– It was a video, not Al Qaeda
– I didn’t draw a red line
– If you like your plan

Any more?

faraway on October 30, 2013 at 8:21 PM

The IRS did not unfairly target conservative groups…

ExpressoBold on October 30, 2013 at 8:24 PM

I didn’t know I was snooping on Americans and Merkel .

burrata on October 30, 2013 at 8:30 PM

In light of all that has been going on in the last few months, Obama has got to very happy with the polling numbers.

albill on October 30, 2013 at 8:31 PM

He’s tangled up in the NSA dragnet again
===========================================

GOOD,..Sgt. Friday is after his *ss, er, Gluteus Maximus/Minimus!!

canopfor on October 30, 2013 at 8:31 PM

What difference does it make?

vityas on October 30, 2013 at 8:32 PM

Oh and one more :

I didn’t know that I have been smuggling guns to mexican drug cartels and alqaeda.

burrata on October 30, 2013 at 8:34 PM

It’s quite a list:
- It was a video, not Al Qaeda
- I didn’t draw a red line
- If you like your plan

Any more?

faraway on October 30, 2013 at 8:21 PM

Depends on what you consider a lie …

This guy seems to keep the list updated fairly well: 400+ lies and counting

VibrioCocci on October 30, 2013 at 8:34 PM

The truly awful thing is that President Stool Sample will never go away. He will be Bubba Clinton on steroids — always Hoovering up the limelight.
The War Planner on October 30, 2013 at 8:26 PM

I guarantee Hillary will not leave a press conference with Obama at the microphone while she’s goes and eats cookies. She knows Obama needs a teleprompter.

txhsmom on October 30, 2013 at 8:35 PM

My view on Obama has been more unfavorable than favorable since he played the race card on the Big Dawg. Bill Clinton might be a lot of things but racist isn’t one of them.

myiq2xu on October 30, 2013 at 8:37 PM

It’s quite a list:
- It was a video, not Al Qaeda
- I didn’t draw a red line
- If you like your plan

Any more?

faraway on October 30, 2013 at 8:21 PM

Yes, but it’s the last one that will be his and the Dems undoing. Whether you’re a lib in general or just an Obama sycophant, or simply lost somewhere in the middle, losing your plan after being promised you wouldn’t will depress the vote for Ds in 2014 and 2016, possibly to the point of no return for them. It will make Waterloo look like a playground skirmish, and 41′s no-new-taxes pledge a slip of the tongue.

TXUS on October 30, 2013 at 8:37 PM

He will be Bubba Clinton on steroids — always Hoovering up the limelight.

The War Planner on October 30, 2013 at 8:26 PM

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Gak! I read that and felt a bit queasy. It’s true. 30+ years of The Presidential Gadfly. Gak!

ExpressoBold on October 30, 2013 at 8:42 PM

That LA TIMES quote explains women:

She said, ‘I was all for Obamacare until I found out I was paying for it,’” Kehaly said.

SouthernGent on October 30, 2013 at 8:19 PM

About 99% of the population would say that about the socialists’ income redistribution plans.

slickwillie2001 on October 30, 2013 at 8:42 PM

The share of the public blaming Republicans singularly for the government closing down doesn’t even crack 40 percent, and O is at net -20 favorability on his handling of it. Now, the numbers on O-Care:
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Well, that BOINKS up the Democrat Talky Pointys!!

canopfor on October 30, 2013 at 8:43 PM

Wait, I gotta pay this much more for insurance? I was going to buy those shoes I love so much and now I can’t!!!!

-women reacting to Obamacare

Dack Thrombosis on October 30, 2013 at 8:43 PM

Obamacare = Obamacide

lonestarleeroy on October 30, 2013 at 8:49 PM

Single payer will NOT get passed under Barack Obama. He will never again have 60 votes in the Senate. Resist We Much on October 30, 2013 at 8:14 PM

You sure about that? The landscape changes after he cloward and pivens the industry. I’m not discounting you, but you know what he’s doing. No one is stopping him. You don’t think GOPe will collapse under pressure in about 1 year?

All bets are off after the midterms. IMHO.

wolly4321 on October 30, 2013 at 8:49 PM

“Just shop around in the new marketplace, that’s what it’s for”

“Get back in the bread lines, comrades.”

—–King Barky Hussein the Vacationer

viking01 on October 30, 2013 at 8:54 PM

Rush is right. He doesn’t care. His approval rating could be 5%,, they’ll march on. They are progs.

It will go single payer, because they are going to destroy and outlaw, by decree if needed, everything else.

Better start thinking on a new paradigm, cause that’s where we are at.

Stated simply, we have a fascist dictator.

Hello?

Yea, that’s right. A fascist dictator.

wolly4321 on October 30, 2013 at 8:58 PM

… it’s starting to dawn on them that ObamaCare might be worse than they thought?

It might be dawning on them that Obama is worse than they thought.

IndieDogg on October 30, 2013 at 8:59 PM

And for the first time in the survey, even Obama’s personal ratings are upside-down, with 41 percent viewing him a favorable light and 45 percent viewing him negatively

Have you ever seen a sheep stampede?

Me neither.

Obama the sheepdog will eventually herd his sheeple back in line.

MichaelGabriel on October 30, 2013 at 9:01 PM

Progs rule by fear, not polls. And they do it well. The polls don’t matter. Not when the blame is consistently pinned on everyone else. When this God awful mess comes to full fruition, we’ll catch the blame. More power will be consolidated.

We are in big trouble.

wolly4321 on October 30, 2013 at 9:05 PM

Perhaps even blacks, Hispanics, and independents who are being screwed over equally with conservative whites are finally getting it. This man has divided us along racial, socioeconomic, and partisan lines. He went to bed while good Americans were being killed in Benghazi. He has ruined our reputation in the world, particularly the mideast. He has stood by while Iran builds nukes. He, Reid, and Pelosi along with their Dem cohorts shoved this turkey of a bill down our throats while the economy collapsed. That he still enjoys approval ratings in the 40s astonishes me.

neyney on October 30, 2013 at 9:06 PM

I like how they separate “Republican” and “Tea Party Republican” in Q17 to make the “Democrat” look more favorable, lol.

xblade on October 30, 2013 at 9:10 PM

Racist white women.

notropis on October 30, 2013 at 9:12 PM

I actually like how Mark Steyn put it. He said that for years Obama has been seen as hip but now folks want a hip replacement.

neyney on October 30, 2013 at 9:14 PM

Well what do you know NBC?
If you had been doing your job, you could have been complaining about Romney right now.

JusDreamin on October 30, 2013 at 9:18 PM

He. Doesn’t. Care.

Look at the assembled cabal of progs and how they are situated.

Pelosi, schumer, ried, durbin, hoyer,

They. Don’t. Care.

They are all in.

Mccain?

He. Doesn’t. Care. Flake?

wolly4321 on October 30, 2013 at 9:18 PM

but the public continued on balance to have a more favorable impression of him than an unfavorable one.

Ya can’t fix STUPID!

But when your wallet gets hit, then it’s PERSONAL!

GarandFan on October 30, 2013 at 9:19 PM

It is the Dems who should be really angry. The wasted their super majority for this!

They will not have another chance for that in a long time.

The next dem move will be to push to open ObamaCare back up and “fix” it. Anyone can see this from a mile away…

:)

William Eaton on October 30, 2013 at 10:09 PM

There next move will be to go even more authoritarian and strenghten enforcement mechanisms whether it is working or not as it bleeds money.

They don’t care if it works. It’s not designed for anything other than destroying the industry.

It doesn’t have to work for its stated goal.

Its stated goal is a lie.

wolly4321 on October 30, 2013 at 10:20 PM

Obama can thank his lucky stars the press isn’t covering him like they did George Bush. If they were, his numbers would be in the teens or something.

I’m not sure if the press feels a certain responsibility to actually inform the public about this Obamacare fiasco or they’re trying to regain a small amount of credibility, but it’s nice to see them actually doing some reporting for a change.

Let’s face it, if the Obamacare disaster keeps up, the Republicans wanting to repeal it is going to look a whole lot better. I just hope the Republicans are smart enough to understand they really need to have a viable alternative ready, if this thing does collapse. I also hope they understand what other problems Obamacare has created because it’s going to be really difficult to put Humpty Dumpty together again, which is the plan anyway.

bflat879 on October 30, 2013 at 10:52 PM

42% of the US people are incredible sheep.

Schadenfreude on October 30, 2013 at 10:58 PM

It’s going to be a long three years.

trigon on October 31, 2013 at 1:54 AM

Anyone care to float an explanation?

well, um, sorry but, on balance more women are low-info voters. esp single women. period. low-infos are finally getting some info thru their thick skulls. too late. and they the numbers are now truing up.

t8stlikchkn on October 31, 2013 at 9:32 AM

… it’s starting to dawn on them that ObamaCare might be worse than they thought?
It might be dawning on them that Obama is worse than they thought.

IndieDogg on October 30, 2013 at 8:59 PM

its starting to dawn on “them” that THEY will be paying for it. when someone else pays its a great idea. when reality creeps in, oh goodness, me? not such a great idea. idiots think that way. 51%.

t8stlikchkn on October 31, 2013 at 9:34 AM

bflat879 on October 30, 2013 at 10:52 PM

The Republicans have two healthcare reform plans in the House, HR 2300 and HR 3121

The narrative that “the Republicans don’t have a plan” is just a DNC talking point.

slickwillie2001 on October 31, 2013 at 10:17 AM