Rand Paul: We know government is inept, but ObamaCare is bringing it to a whole other level of incompetence

posted at 9:21 pm on October 30, 2013 by Erika Johnsen

Sen. Paul, as you might have guessed, was distinctly not impressed with Secretary Sebelius’s testimony in front of the House Energy and Commerce Committee today, from which, apparently, we were meant to accept that just saying ‘I am accountable’ is the same thing as actually being held accountable.


I think government is inherently inept, but this brings it to a new level of incompetence. I can’t imagine how she could continue in her job, she should resign really from mere embarrassment. I’ve never seen anything this bad and here’s the thing when the president said you could keep your doctor and now we find out 2 million people are going to lose their doctor and lose their insurance, I just can’t imagine how they can be proud of what they’re doing and how he can’t say that’s going to hold someone responsible. …

Yes, but an appropriate sense of humility and/or shame isn’t really a thing with this administration, is it?

The point here, as many writers have been pointing out lately, is that the “glitches” and unpleasant surprises many Americans are now experiencing are hardly helping to advance Obama’s progressive message about big government as an effective rather than an encumbering means to help people and “fairly” organize society — and as ObamaCare’s detrimental effects continue their inevitable march, the president is going to have a lot of ‘splaining to do.


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Speaking of InEpt:
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Oct 30, 7:42 PM EDT
Feds proving Internet-adept and inept at same time

By SETH BORENSTEIN
AP Science Writer
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WASHINGTON (AP) — When it comes to computers, the Obama administration appears simultaneously to be a bungling amateur and a stealthy wizard. The same government that reportedly intercepted the communications of America’s leading consumer technology firms, Google and Yahoo, without leaving a trace is scorned because it can’t build a working federal website for health insurance.

In a single day in the nation’s capital, extremes of the impressive successes and stunning failures of the Internet age were on full display.

Computer professionals said the government can be both adept and inept at the same time because the tasks are so different and for reasons involving who is doing it, for how much money, how long it takes and how publicly it is done.

Under a classified project called MUSCULAR, the National Security Agency has secretly broken into the main communications links that connect Google and Yahoo data centers around the world, The Washington Post reported Wednesday, citing documents obtained from former NSA systems analyst Edward Snowden. In the past 30 days, the NSA swept up and processed more than 180 million new records, including metadata indicating who sent and received emails and when it happened, the Post reported.(More………)
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http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_TECHNOLOGY_TWO_TALES?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-10-30-17-18-50

canopfor on October 30, 2013 at 9:26 PM

People still won’t connect the dots. It’s not a problem with Obamacare, it’s a problem with Obama and his ideology.

Cleombrotus on October 30, 2013 at 9:27 PM

“Don’t do this to me, bro”….

d1carter on October 30, 2013 at 9:27 PM

Yes, but an appropriate sense of humility and/or shame isn’t really a thing with this administration, is it?
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*Sigh*,…..yup!

canopfor on October 30, 2013 at 9:28 PM

If thinking people find out about all the security problems…they won’t go near that website…Plus you have to waive your right to privacy!

d1carter on October 30, 2013 at 9:29 PM

No, not really, it’s virtually always this incompetent — just not this public …

ShainS on October 30, 2013 at 9:30 PM

canopfor on October 30, 2013 at 9:26 PM

I thought Seth only wrote about the upcoming global warming calamity..?

d1carter on October 30, 2013 at 9:31 PM

“Whatever.” – KanOshit Sebelius

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXjmIX8Fg-8&feature=youtu.be

Pork-Chop on October 30, 2013 at 9:31 PM

and as ObamaCare’s detrimental effects continue their inevitable march, the president is going to have a lot of ‘splaining lying to do.

FIFY, EJ.

Resist We Much on October 30, 2013 at 9:33 PM

I have no patience for the inept

J_Crater on October 30, 2013 at 9:34 PM

They’re mistaking malice as incompetence.

Barky is simply doing what his Muslim Brotherhood would do to what they both view as the “Great Satan.”

viking01 on October 30, 2013 at 9:34 PM

Eventually, Obamacare reaches the point where it starts to ration care, to deny care that could save lives or improve the quality of life to the point that said life is tolerable. People will suffer because of this who might well have had better care before Obamacare was forced on the public.

That’s the real tragedy here. Sure, it’s unfortunate and uncomfortable the amount of financial distress this legislation will cause and continue to cause, but the real tragedy is written in the lives of those who will suffer needlessly, and die, because of it.

THIS is the heart of Obamacare… QARY… Quality Adjusted Remaining Years… and the equation used to calculate how much care each person will receive… or not.

Let me ask this: HAS ANYONE… IN OR OUT OF CONGRESS OR THE ADMINISTRATION… READ ALL 10,535 PAGES OF OBAMACARE?

What’s in it? How many redundancies… how many conflicting regulations?

Obamacare….the Affordable Care Act that was originally passed by the Democrats in congress Christmas Eve, 2009, was 2000 plus pages… since then over 8000 pages of regulations have been added to the original bill by every bureaucrat who had the ability to do so… and each one working independent of anyone else… and with no oversight.

WHO HAS READ THIS LEGISLATION…ALL 10,535 PAGES ?

thatsafactjack on October 30, 2013 at 9:36 PM

Resist We Much on October 30, 2013 at 9:35 PM

Amazing…but…
So did Obama before he was elected…twice.

d1carter on October 30, 2013 at 9:38 PM

Juan Williams new talking point: the number of people that CAN’T keep their health insurance plans is tiny, only 5% of the population.

“It’s really no big deal.”

This one he must have thought up all on his own.

slickwillie2001 on October 30, 2013 at 9:39 PM

canopfor on October 30, 2013 at 9:26 PM

I thought Seth only wrote about the upcoming global warming calamity..?

d1carter on October 30, 2013 at 9:31 PM

d1carter:D*mmit,….I’ll put him on my Watch List (sarc):0
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‘Long sad history of AP reporter Seth Borenstein’s woeful global warming reporting’
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http://www.climatedepot.com/2009/08/21/long-sad-history-of-ap-reporter-seth-borensteins-woeful-global-warming-reporting/

canopfor on October 30, 2013 at 9:39 PM

WHO HAS READ THIS LEGISLATION…ALL 10,535 PAGES ?

thatsafactjack on October 30, 2013 at 9:36 PM

JustUs Benedict Roberts ?

The robed traitor who personally decided The People shall obey?

viking01 on October 30, 2013 at 9:40 PM

…it’s ok stink fish !…you can comment on this thread…because you want to know… where Rand’s sombrero…is at?…no need to lurk now!

KOOLAID2 on October 30, 2013 at 9:41 PM

JustUs Benedict Roberts ?

The robed traitor who personally decided The People shall obey?

viking01 on October 30, 2013 at 9:40 PM

No. He didn’t read it all.

Resist We Much on October 30, 2013 at 9:42 PM

“She should resign.” Really? That’s the best we can do? When are Republicans going to stop arguing from the middle?

Dongemaharu on October 30, 2013 at 9:42 PM

Rand Paul: We know government is inept, but ObamaCare is bringing it to a whole other level of incompetence

Says the senator who will do what he can to make sure Mitch McConnell maintains his leadership position.

bgibbs1000 on October 30, 2013 at 9:42 PM

only 5% of the population.

“It’s really no big deal.”

This one he must have thought up all on his own.

slickwillie2001 on October 30, 2013 at 9:39 PM

slickwillie:Lol,could be:)
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President Obama is saying the 5% getting cancel notices had ‘cut-rate plans’ that ‘weren’t so good’ – @lesleyclark

5 hours ago from twitter.com/lesleyclark by editor

canopfor on October 30, 2013 at 9:43 PM

I think the arrogance of forcing individuals into “better” plan ” (as defined by Obama) and dismissing all criticism of his namesake legislation is going to come back to haunt the lazy stupid coward.

Happy Nomad on October 30, 2013 at 9:44 PM

Lot’s of complaining and calls for “splaining.”
Unfortunately, there’s really no action being taken.
Do you really believe Obamacare will be fixed or repealed?
The political class has no incentive to make any changes.
They get elected/re-elected regardless.
More money flows into their pockets with the status-quo.
Too few elected officials are principled representatives.
You’re all whistling in the wind.
Welcome to 1984.

Perfesser on October 30, 2013 at 9:46 PM

You don’t think at some point it will be a jailable offense to not “participate”?

Like not paying your tax bill?

I give it 2 years tops. No legislation required.

He don’t need 60 votes in the Senate anymore.

Unless your in a union.

wolly4321 on October 30, 2013 at 9:46 PM

I think the arrogance of forcing individuals into “better” plan ” (as defined by Obama) and dismissing all criticism of his namesake legislation is going to come back to haunt the lazy stupid coward.

Happy Nomad on October 30, 2013 at 9:44 PM

I hope so. One thing most people hate is other people telling them they are stupid. That is the very thing Obama and his minions are doing.

gophergirl on October 30, 2013 at 9:46 PM

Central planning doesn’t work. It’s a form of oppression. Didn’t you Libtards learn anything from Orwell?

SparkPlug on October 30, 2013 at 9:50 PM

Juan Williams new talking point: the number of people that CAN’T keep their health insurance plans is tiny, only 5% of the population.

ask Juan if we can cut food stamps 5 percent

gerrym51 on October 30, 2013 at 9:51 PM

If you don’t like ObamaCare, then you’re gonna LOVE ‘single-payer’! What’s not to like? It will be run by the government!

….er…..ah…..

GarandFan on October 30, 2013 at 9:51 PM

JustUs Benedict Roberts ?

The robed traitor who personally decided The People shall obey?

viking01 on October 30, 2013 at 9:40 PM

No. He didn’t read it all.

Resist We Much on October 30, 2013 at 9:42 PM

You are probably right.

Benedict Roberts had more important things to read like his favorites High Times and Robed Crossdresser magazines; not to mention The Daily Worker…..

viking01 on October 30, 2013 at 9:51 PM

Shouldn’t someone READ the Obamacare legislation in its entirety?

It’s 10,535 pages of rules and regulations. It is the law.

Obamacare was originally written mostly by aides to Democrat members of congress. The Democrats admitted that no one had read it when it was passed. Pelosi bragged “We’ll have to pass it to see what’s in it.” It as only 2000 plus pages when it was passed.

Since then over 8000 pages of regulations have been added by bureaucrats in various federal agencies. There was no coordination between these bureaucrats or their agencies. There was no oversight.

How many conflicting regulations are in this legislation? How many redundancies?

Is it even possible for health care or health care insurance providers to obey this law? Is it possible for the average American to obey this law and not inadvertently violate the law?

thatsafactjack on October 30, 2013 at 9:52 PM

Sen. Paul, as you might have guessed, was distinctly not impressed with Secretary Sebelius’s testimony in front of the House Energy and Commerce Committee today, from which, apparently, we were meant to accept that just saying ‘I am accountable’ is the same thing as actually being held accountable.

A key distinction, to be sure. After she said that she was ultimately responsible, I would have said…

“Alright. In light of how you have accepted responsibility, you must realize that to be responsible is more than to just associate individuals with outcomes or actions. Indeed, to accept responsibility means that you are willing to accept commensurate responses predicated on those outcomes or actions, be they rewards for success, or punishments for failures.

Given that this situation decidedly falls in the latter category, what consequences will you be enduring as a result of this debacle? Will you be docked pay? Will you tender your resignation? What punitive consequences that are personally deleterious to your own welfare are you going to be facing for being inadequate to the task you were assigned?”

Stoic Patriot on October 30, 2013 at 9:53 PM

. You’re all whistling in the wind. Welcome to 1984. Perfesser on October 30, 2013 at 9:46 PM.

Yep.

This fiasco.
The debt.
Dependancy class.
Immigration.
Moral decay….

It’s a mile long list.

There will be a reset. I imagine it will be ugly.

We are getting single payer quicker than barky even thought possible.

wolly4321 on October 30, 2013 at 9:53 PM

SparkPlug on October 30, 2013 at 9:50 PM

They like this. It is a longtime dream for them come true. I don’t much like nightmares. Of other people that is.

Bmore on October 30, 2013 at 9:54 PM

ask Juan if we can cut food stamps 5 percent

gerrym51 on October 30, 2013 at 9:51 PM

Cha- ching.
Yes..lets.

bazil9 on October 30, 2013 at 9:54 PM

The website doesn’t work. So what. There should be a idiot-proof procedure using the paperwork method developed under a 1.336 BILLION dollar contract with Serco.

The company will determine eligibility for tax credits, Medicaid,[14] and exemptions from tax penalties.[15] Privacy concerns have already arisen, because in 2011, a data breach at the U.S. Thrift Savings Plan for federal employees – managed by Serco — jeopardized the Social Security numbers and confidential information of more than 120,000 participants.[16]

News2Use on October 30, 2013 at 9:54 PM

Juan Williams new talking point: the number of people that CAN’T keep their health insurance plans is tiny, only 5% of the population.

“It’s really no big deal.”

This one he must have thought up all on his own.

slickwillie2001

Yeah, but the 8,000 people with pre-existing conditions who couldn’t get health insurance(the primary excuse for passing Obamacare) were destroying the country or something.

xblade on October 30, 2013 at 9:54 PM

Is it even possible for health care or health care insurance providers to obey this law? Is it possible for the average American to obey this law and not inadvertently violate the law?

thatsafactjack on October 30, 2013 at 9:52 PM

lmao..NO.
No one..I mean no one knows what the F is going on.
I could rotf

bazil9 on October 30, 2013 at 9:55 PM

I hope so. One thing most people hate is other people telling them they are stupid. That is the very thing Obama and his minions are doing.

gophergirl on October 30, 2013 at 9:46 PM

Telling them that they are stupid and not even caring when concerns are raised. We are actually being told that the MILLIONS being forced into needless “benefits” is minor and the crybabies will be thanking the lazy stupid coward once they get to pay thousands more- even if the likelihood of a 68 year old male needing a PAP is small.

Happy Nomad on October 30, 2013 at 9:58 PM

You know for years I’ve been torn between whether this is the most clever and crafty administration or the most inept. That question has been answered. This is the biggest bunch of idiots to ever hold power in all of American history. I think what threw me off was my inability to believe that an entire political party could treat even its supporters with such contempt. I didn’t want to believe this of Americans.

neyney on October 30, 2013 at 9:58 PM

thatsafactjack on October 30, 2013 at 9:52 PM

lmao..NO.
No one..I mean no one knows what the F is going on.
I could rotf

bazil9 on October 30, 2013 at 9:55 PM

Like the rebate…we had much fun in the industry..ask accountants, lawyers for help..they couldn’t give any concrete answers! I have to laugh or I would kick a hole through a wall.

bazil9 on October 30, 2013 at 9:58 PM

John McCain: It’s time for republicans to support Obamacare because it will allow us to compete for the Hispanic vote.

xblade on October 30, 2013 at 9:58 PM

What Dear Leader has done is not inept…it is corrupt and illegal. But he is so cool!

d1carter on October 30, 2013 at 9:58 PM

“Just shop around in the new marketplace, that’s what it’s for”

This was the president’s response to those who’ve found that their insurance policy was cancelled because their plan didn’t cover maternity care, dental and vision for children, etc. even if they don’t happen to be women, or have children. Even if they can’t possibly afford the more expensive policy, which is required of all health care insurance policies under Obamacare…and…of course… everyone is required to have health care insurance… under Obamacare.

‘Let them eat cake.’ ~ Barrack Obama

thatsafactjack on October 30, 2013 at 9:59 PM

. Didn’t you Libtards learn anything from Orwell? SparkPlug on October 30, 2013 at 9:50 PM

You think they read? Some animals are created less equal than others.

wolly4321 on October 30, 2013 at 10:00 PM

ask Juan if we can cut food stamps 5 percent

gerrym51 on October 30, 2013 at 9:51 PM

Outstanding point. The left is so invested they really don’t care about who they are harming. Shame on you Juan Williams.

Happy Nomad on October 30, 2013 at 10:03 PM

bazil9 on October 30, 2013 at 9:58 PM

Good evening, B9. :)

Yes.. it’s pitiful and, I think, criminal, that those who passed this legislation, and those who added those regulations, haven’t read the legislation in its entirety and coordinated with one another AND the health care and health care insurance providers to see that people… the people of this nation… actually benefit by this legislation… and don’t… through no fault of their own.. find themselves in violation of this legislation or one or more of it’s multitude of regulations.

What, after all, are they paid to do for the people of this nation if not see that what they do does not end up being an affliction?

thatsafactjack on October 30, 2013 at 10:03 PM

thatsafactjack on October 30, 2013 at 10:03 PM

++++

bazil9 on October 30, 2013 at 10:06 PM

WHO HAS READ THIS LEGISLATION…ALL 10,535 PAGES ?

I was only interested in the section that states :

If you have sectoral heterochromia and are left handed, you get free health care for life, plus dental.

Slipped it in there myself when no one was looking. :)

MichaelGabriel on October 30, 2013 at 10:06 PM

I think the arrogance of forcing individuals into “better” plan ” (as defined by Obama) and dismissing all criticism of his namesake legislation is going to come back to haunt the lazy stupid coward.

Happy Nomad on October 30, 2013 at 9:44 PM

I believe 0dumbaCare is going to be repealed, which President Choom would prefer to happen via judicial rather than legislative means…

Anti-Control on October 30, 2013 at 10:07 PM

neyney on October 30, 2013 at 9:58 Pm

Respectfully, I disagree. It’s Cloward-Piven executed well. You can make mistakes destroying. It actually helps. It creates more chaos. As long as you have the ability to deflect the blame,, you roll on destroying. Unscathed.

wolly4321 on October 30, 2013 at 10:08 PM

We are getting single payer quicker than barky even thought possible.

wolly4321 on October 30, 2013 at 9:53 PM

Wolly,it’s unlikely there will be a reset.
Having a plurality on the dole prevents that.
A few nuts on the fringes may get stupid…
…and end up being a brief news item.
Single payer does seem likely, though.
The Boomers will go down in history as the generation
that lost their grip on reality
and gave up all our freedoms.

Perfesser on October 30, 2013 at 10:09 PM

It’s only 5% of the pop cause the tyrant illegally delayed the biz mandate for 1 yr for political expediency—let’s discuss that media. A year from now, there will be a run on Vaseline when the biz mandate kicks in.

hillsoftx on October 30, 2013 at 10:15 PM

It’s much worse than incompetence…this is going all according to their plan..no doubt about it

sadsushi on October 30, 2013 at 10:16 PM

Wolly I consider myself as pretty cynical and just didn’t want to believe such evil exists among our ruling class. I get what you are saying about Cloward-Piven. These aren’t your grandmothers Dems are they? The shut down opened my eyes fully.

neyney on October 30, 2013 at 10:20 PM

I believe 0dumbaCare is going to be repealed, which President Choom would prefer to happen via judicial rather than legislative means…

Anti-Control on October 30, 2013 at 10:07 PM

Their ability to pay out subsidies via federal exchanges in the 36 states that refused to set up state exchanges is in real jeopardy.

That could bring it all crashing down.

slickwillie2001 on October 30, 2013 at 10:20 PM

People still won’t connect the dots. It’s not a problem with Obamacare, it’s a problem with Obama and his ideology.

Cleombrotus on October 30, 2013 at 9:27 PM

It’s not something that is unique to Obama or his ideology.

It is the fact that the Federal government and the bureaucracy are both too powerful and inept.

I worked around these people for more than twenty years. Their priorities are getting larger budgets and building bureaucratic empires. The public is so far down their lists of priorities to be essentially meaningless.

The problem with “Progressives” is that they are just tinplated Fascists. They’re all about “choice” and ‘freedom” until you make a choice or want to exercise a freedom that doesn’t conform to their ideology. Then the gloves come off.

Their idea of persuasion is to demonize you until you shut up.

schmuck281 on October 30, 2013 at 10:27 PM

A few nuts on the fringes may get stupid…

Lol.

Define a few. You mean those few that bought guns since Jan 20th, 2009?

Some of us won’t live under a dictatorship.

Evah. :)

wolly4321 on October 30, 2013 at 10:32 PM

. Having a plurality on the dole prevents that.

Until the money runs out. Huh?

Running out isn’t it? $17 trillion? In the red every year? More on the dole?

Oh, there will be a reset alright. Bank on it.

wolly4321 on October 30, 2013 at 10:38 PM

Evah. :)

wolly4321 on October 30, 2013 at 10:32 PM

Wolly, that’s for personal protection…something completely different than you seem to be implying. Local authorities are already prepared to deal with domestic problems. Should anything vaguely resembling a larger problem, there will be swift and complete consequences. Look to the USSR and Mao’s China for historical examples, including how the media responds.

Perfesser on October 30, 2013 at 10:41 PM

I don’t care if she gets fired. It means nothing to me. I’m way beyond that. This is treachery and high crimes and I want insurrection. This is weak tea from Rand Paul as far as I’m concerned.

rrpjr on October 30, 2013 at 10:42 PM

Hmmmmm…..a new era of failed big government polices….could lead…to a later era of restrained government.

Gosh..who could we run in 2016?

Paul/Walker
Smash the Matrix!

KirknBurker on October 30, 2013 at 10:42 PM

“Until the money runs out. Huh?
wolly4321 on October 30, 2013 at 10:38 PM”

They are no where near running out of money. Read history more before making a massive mis-calculation.

Perfesser on October 30, 2013 at 10:43 PM

They are no where near running out of money. Read history more before making a massive mis-calculation.

Perfesser on October 30, 2013 at 10:43 PM

Oh, be honest. No one knows when we’ll “run out” of money.

Timin203 on October 30, 2013 at 10:50 PM

I’d guess we will never run out of money if Bernanke keeps printing it.

The question is will the money be worth running out…..of.

viking01 on October 30, 2013 at 11:10 PM

10:38 PM” They are no where near running out of money. Read history more before making a massive mis-calculation Perfesser on October 30, 2013 at 10:43 P

You mean history like 1930 ‘s Germany?

That ended well, huh?

wolly4321 on October 31, 2013 at 12:11 AM

All the Chaos was planned, maybe not to this extent (that old unintended consequences thing that politicians are so fond of letting their pens do to us). Now the clear solution is SINGLE PAYER.

1791 on October 31, 2013 at 2:27 AM

According to the Obama New World Dictionary, I suppose the Titanic could redefine that iceberg as a “glitch.”

IndieDogg on October 31, 2013 at 4:56 AM

John McCain: It’s time for republicans to support Obamacare because it will allow us to compete for buy the Hispanic vote.

xblade on October 30, 2013 at 9:58 PM

There! Just a tweak!

herm2416 on October 31, 2013 at 5:48 AM

Inept, yes, but the Democrats (aka Elois) will continue to follow their messiah right over the cliff.

rplat on October 31, 2013 at 8:58 AM

Rand Paul: We know government is inept, but ObamaCare is bringing it to a whole other level of incompetence

Says the senator who will do what he can to make sure Mitch McConnell maintains his leadership position.

bgibbs1000 on October 30, 2013 at 9:42 PM
</blockquote

Please advise when Rand Paul stated that "(he)will do what he can
to make sure Mitch McConnell maintains his leadership position".

The fact that Rand Paul came out months ago and said he supported
Mitch McConnell for reelection perhaps because he works with him in Kentucky as a fellow
republican is one thing. What you said is a stretch.

You Paul haters are annoying because 1) you always confuse Rand
with his father, Paul and 2) you make stuff up because you are
idiots.

Don't you realize that if a candidate is bad, you shouldn't have
to make anything up? Their record should speak for itself.

Unfortunately for your viewpoint, Rand Paul's record holds up
pretty good thus far.

Amjean on October 31, 2013 at 10:29 AM