Quotes of the day

posted at 10:41 pm on October 30, 2013 by Allahpundit

Amid a firestorm of criticism, President Obama today walked back his oft-repeated, unambiguous promise that “if you like your health plan, you can keep it.”

With hundreds of thousands receiving cancellation notices from their providers, Republicans have slammed the president in recent days for misleading the American public. Today, Obama tweaked his original pledge.

“For the vast majority of people who have health insurance that works, you can keep it,” he said in a speech in Boston.

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President Obama tried a new tack Wednesday as he fought back against criticism of his Obamacare claims.

Fact-checkers and journalists have ruled that Obama wasn’t being truthful when he claimed that people who liked their insurance could keep it. Obama during a speech in Boston sought to cast the issue Wednesday as trying to weed out “bad apple insurers” who don’t provide enough coverage.

“One of the things health reform was designed to do was to help not only the uninsured but also the under-insured,” Obama said. “And there are a number of Americans, fewer than 5 percent of Americans, who’ve got cut-rate plans that don’t offer real financial protection in the event of a serious illness or an accident.”

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My family was enrolled in a Carefirst high-deductible plan that cost $667.63 per month. In-network deductible, $5,400; out of network, $10,800. Out-of-pocket limit: $6,400 in-network; $12,800 out of network. The plan was joined to an HSA.

The most directly comparable plan on the D.C. health exchange will cost $865. The deductibles are somewhat higher: $6,000 and $12,000. The out-of-pocket limits are very slightly lower: $6,000 and $12,000.

That $200 a month differential seems to be the cost of community rating: I had to answer a bunch of questions about my health before qualifying for my prior plan; the new plan will be issued, no questions asked. Presumably somewhere there is a D.C. resident who smokes or who has some pre-existing condition who will receive a corresponding $200 a month windfall…

The ACA was ingeniously designed to deliver benefits to Democratic constituencies and impose costs on Republican ones. The big surprise in the ACA rollout is that this design is going awry. It’s not only plutocrats and one-percenters who will find themselves worse off; not only the comparatively affluent retirees enrolled in Medicare Plus programs. Self-employed professionals who earn too much to qualify for ACA subsidies will soon discover what I have discovered: They are paying more for a worse product.

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Nationally the marketplaces offer tens of thousands of different policies with a wide variety of coverage, but Harte has noticed many have one thing in common: They cover a narrow network of doctors and hospitals

In New York, NYU will accept only a minority of the plans. In Los Angeles, UCLA medical centers will accept a couple. In Atlanta, Emory has limited the number of plans it will take. Academic medical centers are often pricier because they tackle the more complex cases.

WellPoint, a Blue Cross Blue Shield insurer offering policies in 14 states, is narrowing its networks in many markets after research showed consumers care more about the price than the provider.

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Senator Jeanne Shaheen of New Hampshire expressed shock that so many Americans are losing their current plans. “We knew that they would need to sign up again, but obviously I don’t think anybody thought people would be kicked off their health insurance plan,” said Shaheen, who refused to say if Americans should be able to keep the plans they had in 2013…

When asked if Americans should be able to keep their current plans, Tammy Baldwin of Wisconsin would only say, “What I’m understanding is that people, like in Florida, are getting advice on transitioning and hopefully they’ll have a higher quality, lower-cost plan.”

Many Senate Democrats tried to avoid answering questions about the president’s broken health insurance promise. Senators Kay Hagan of North Carolina and Mark Pryor of Arkansas (both of whom are up for reelection next year) held their cell phones against their ears when approached for questions. Mark Warner of Virginia simply scoffed and walked away when asked if Americans should be allowed to keep their current health plans. Oregon senator Ron Wyden asked if we could talk later.

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Wanna get the ol’ blood pressure rising? Go to whitehouse.gov and do a search on “misinformation” and “health care.” There you will find a sneering, self-satisfied series of claims that supporters of the Affordable Care Act are fighting with the truth on their side, unlike those lying liars of the Grand Old (Lying) Party…

Since the president began selling the Affordable Care Act, he has brazenly coupled his lies and false predictions with the repeated notion that it’s the other side who is congenitally dishonest in this debate. And for most of his tenure, the press has eaten it up. It got to the point during 2012 that many journalists claimed the presidential election was a referendum on truth itself, which is why that liar-face Mitt Romney must be defeated…

This is a gut-check moment for the mostly left-of-center journalists who have made such a show these past few years of dropping false equivalence and calling out political bullshit at the source. You can subject the policy and politics of Obamacare to truth-scans, or you can carry water for the president. You cannot do both, at least without a laugh track.

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“Your law was the model for the nation’s law,” Obama said in his speech Wednesday. “This new [national insurance] marketplace was built on the Massachusetts model.”…

Except health care costs did not decline in Massachusetts, and neither did medical-related bankruptcies—stated goals of both Romneycare and Obamacare.

More telling, Obama will have to argue that Massachusetts matters because complicated things are hard and problems arise. Fine. But that also betrays a harsh truth: The administration apparently learned nothing about the front-end political and policy hazards that Massachusetts confronted, or the gradualism required to implement the law. That means it was willfully ignorant of or indifferent to the anticipated difficulties of taking a compulsory state-insurance program nationwide. In the medical community, this has a name: malpractice…

In his windup here in Boston on Wednesday afternoon, Obama said he will never give up on implementing the law. “We will grind this out. We will see this through. One and inseparable.” That’s two parts truth and one part silly sentimentality. The only thing inseparable from Obamacare is entrenched hostility. Obama has known that from the start. And that’s made the grinding more difficult than it should have been. Anyone here could have told him that.

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For decades before Obama burst onto the political scene, liberals had been pushing for the federal government to establish some sort of national health care program.

But this effort always ran up against the same obstacle — an overwhelming majority of Americans were happy with their coverage and were leery of any changes…

When Obama took office and made health care his top priority, he understood that one of his main tasks was to convince Americans that he had a plan that could improve the health care system for those who it wasn’t currently working well for (such as those with pre-existing conditions) while leaving it untouched for those who were satisfied…

Obama knew that a lot of people would lose their coverage. Even if there was nothing in the law that explicitly ordered Americans to get rid of their insurance, legislation that made such sweeping changes to the insurance market inevitably was going to create disruption.

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Barro leaves out half the reason Obamacare deliberately killed low-premium plans: stealth redistribution. A central aim of the law was forcing those with more basic plans to buy more comprehensive plans and thus subsidize people who wanted or needed comprehensive coverage…

Honest Obamacare defenders say the president shouldn’t have promised to let Americans keep their insurance when he really meant that if Obama likes your health care plan, you can keep it.

“Vast swathes of policy are based on the correct presumption that people don’t know what’s best for them,” Barro wrote on Twitter on Tuesday, defending this approach.

But this paternalistic mindset, so honestly expressed by of one of Obama’s favorite writers, can also explain why the Obama administration was so willing to mislead on Obamacare: If people don’t know what’s best for them, there’s no reason to deal with them honestly.

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When it comes to websites, pride goes before destruction. The same is true of overly ambitious policy plans — or otherwise Utopian schemes. It takes a lot of chutzpah to believe that you (the government, the president, …whoever) – care more about my family’s healthcare than I do.

But that is precisely the message being used to rationalize the “if you like your plan you can keep your plan” canard…

For those looking to draw grander conclusions, this is a teachable moment. The hubris necessary for this kind of vast undertaking — impacting nearly 20 percent of the economy! — is patently unconservative. And I don’t need to trot out some fire-breathing or controversial conservative to demonstrate why this sort of chutzpah is a fundamental affront to basic conservative philosophy…

Liberalism operates under a fatal conceit that is fundamentally immodest. The ObamaCare rollout is a prime example of why such hubris is dangerous and costly.

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Via the Daily Rushbo.


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Nite Jackie – hold on tight, winds and all…

Schadenfreude on October 31, 2013 at 1:43 AM

If they think we’ll comply, against our free will. Tomasky is the worst of all the communists.

He doesn’t know this, because he’ll never be free. May he suffocate from eating the non-Beluga. I hate that little weasel, passionately.

Schadenfreude on October 31, 2013 at 1:37 AM

Ah, OK. It could have gone the other way too, that resisting as suggested in the article was a fool’s errand. In my mind, I could make the case for both (depended on the time frame), so I didn’t want to assume.

It’s about time to start seeing a bit of civil disobedience. And hard on it’s heals, push-back.

But the thing they haven’t daydreamed of daydreaming is that even if they got their way, entirely, they still lose because it will crash down of its own bad structure. And you can tell them, face to face, no uncertain terms. And they can’t hear it.

Axe on October 31, 2013 at 1:46 AM

*its

Axe on October 31, 2013 at 1:47 AM

Axe on October 31, 2013 at 1:46 AM

Compliance is a form of slavery. Pelosi already wants universal child care and your 401K/IRAs and all want amnesty…

Occupy America or deserve it (not talking to you in specific) foolish free people. It will be self-made.

Schadenfreude on October 31, 2013 at 1:50 AM

Axe on October 31, 2013 at 1:46 AM

NO European country has obama’care’. In all of them there is NO mandate. Anyone can walk in with cash, go in front of the line, see a doctor, go home.

obama is for slavery.

Schadenfreude on October 31, 2013 at 1:53 AM

And they can’t hear it.

Axe on October 31, 2013 at 1:46 AM

ohh they hear it…
they CHOOSE not to believe it….
they see Spain…Porto…France..
they CHOOSE not to believe it…

europe is such a great utopian place to them…

and rather than move to the favorite socalist country
of the moment…they have chosen to brow beat us
into submission and fundamentally change the US..

going2mars on October 31, 2013 at 1:53 AM

There is NO obama’care’ in all the world, for that matter.

He invented a slavish system and pushed it onto ‘free’ people…who were out shopping…and kept him.

He thinks it’s way cool.

Schadenfreude on October 31, 2013 at 1:54 AM

“Cath – O – Lic Gurrrls -

At the C-Y-O!……”

williamg on October 31, 2013 at 1:37 AM

The Catholic Girls – “Young Boys”

The Catholic Girls – “Boys Can Cry”

Anti-Control on October 31, 2013 at 1:54 AM

NO European country has obama’care’. In all of them there is NO mandate. Anyone can walk in with cash, go in front of the line, see a doctor, go home.

obama is for slavery.

Schadenfreude on October 31, 2013 at 1:53 AM

Yikes. We are worse off than the euro-weenies.

SparkPlug on October 31, 2013 at 1:54 AM

ohh…and because the world needs more
hot blonde axe players….
voodoo child

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mK6tcgsKgps

going2mars on October 31, 2013 at 1:55 AM

Schadenfreude on October 31, 2013 at 1:54 AM

correct… in both China and the former USSR..
healthcare is not required by Penalty of the LAW..

this is population control…flat out

going2mars on October 31, 2013 at 1:59 AM

We are worse off than the euro-weenies.

SparkPlug on October 31, 2013 at 1:54 AM

Bratwurst off. :)

Axe on October 31, 2013 at 2:05 AM

With President Obama, the Buck Stops Nowhere — Joe Klein, TIME

And I certainly expected more from the Affordable Care Act, since it is the most significant piece of social welfare legislation since the 1960s, and an absolutely crucial piece of our social safety net going forward. It is early days for the ACA and we should reserve judgment about whether this legislation was just too big and complicated a mess to implement. But, surely, SOMEONE–maybe many people–should be fired for these opening pratfalls. And we should also be able to get some of our money back from the private contractors who failed to implement the exchanges.

Khan: Kirk? You’re still alive, my old friend?
Kirk: Still, “old friend!” You’ve managed to kill everyone else, but like a poor marksman, you keep missing the target!

Notice that Joe Klein casts blame for the debacle, not on Obama’s leadership, but his failure to fire somebody.

J_Crater on October 31, 2013 at 2:06 AM

i actually think the general public is too stupid
to even know a marxist socalist government is the goal…

most just vote for
‘who will give me more free stuff….”..or free abortions”

they havent a clue what style of a government that gives you…

now the Progs….at the helm of this ship…
they not only know …they are plotting/planning it all…

going2mars on October 31, 2013 at 2:09 AM

We own more bad healthcare pepper than any Italian pepperoni.

^ C’mon, {{{{{Soph}}}}}, you should think about marrying me. That’s brilliant. Our kids could cure death.

Axe on October 31, 2013 at 2:11 AM

example:…
if Hillary says she is giving the women ‘free shoes’…
we are doomed….

going2mars on October 31, 2013 at 2:11 AM

ohh…and because the world needs more
hot blonde axe players….
voodoo child

going2mars on October 31, 2013 at 1:55 AM

The Great Kat – “Metal Messiah”

correct… in both China and the former USSR..
healthcare is not required by Penalty of the LAW..

this is population control…flat out

going2mars on October 31, 2013 at 1:59 AM

Fans of Motorhead will appreciate this:

Discharge – “State Violence State Control”

Anti-Control on October 31, 2013 at 2:12 AM

Axe on October 31, 2013 at 2:11 AM

psssst…if you and the bright&lovely ms soph procreate…

wont she need all those new sparkly ACA bennies
she keeps saying she doesnt need,,???

she’ll need to change that rant…!!

going2mars on October 31, 2013 at 2:16 AM

The Great Kat on the Morton Downey Jr. show (LOL)

Anti-Control on October 31, 2013 at 2:16 AM

Anti-Control on October 31, 2013 at 2:12 AM

a hot chick rippin on a flying V…
why dont we vote on cool stuff like that more..
its never on the ballots in my town…
like maybe…Sec of EPA and Flying V…
the department of the flying V..??

going2mars on October 31, 2013 at 2:20 AM

Anti-Control on October 31, 2013 at 2:26 AM

i didnt see the game….did you??…any good??

going2mars on October 31, 2013 at 2:27 AM

she’ll need to change that rant…!!

going2mars on October 31, 2013 at 2:16 AM

At least she’d stop telling me to bite my tongue every time I raise my hand just after the rant. :)

All right, I’m out. Have a great night, guys. :) And have a great Halloween!

muhahahahaha

Axe on October 31, 2013 at 2:28 AM

Cards got murdered by Boston’s excellent batting and pitching.

Murphy9 on October 31, 2013 at 2:29 AM

a hot chick rippin on a flying V…
why dont we vote on cool stuff like that more..
its never on the ballots in my town…
like maybe…Sec of EPA and Flying V…
the department of the flying V..??

going2mars on October 31, 2013 at 2:20 AM

Blame it on…rap & grunge? :(

KISS – “Strutter”

i didnt see the game….did you??…any good??

going2mars on October 31, 2013 at 2:27 AM

Red Sox fans are happy – the game wasn’t close, though.

Anti-Control on October 31, 2013 at 2:34 AM

Hi folks- Anyone that is still hangin’…

Been working late. Just discovered that Justified is repeating the last season. I guess the next season will start in 14 weeks, long enough to replay the last one.

I may have to stay up late, drink beer, and watch.

novaculus on October 31, 2013 at 2:39 AM

evening nova..

hows the day in your world?.

going2mars on October 31, 2013 at 2:40 AM

i know im late but …sleep well ax

going2mars on October 31, 2013 at 2:41 AM

We own more bad healthcare pepper than any Italian pepperoni.

Axe on October 31, 2013 at 2:11 AM

The Rolling Stones – “Monkey Man”

I’m a cold Italian pizza
I could use a lemon squeezer

Anti-Control on October 31, 2013 at 2:43 AM

Red Sox fans are happy – the game wasn’t close, though.

Anti-Control on October 31, 2013 at 2:34 AM

cant they just be happy being the first in the nation
to embrace the new socalist O-Blundercare..??

they beat my Tigers too…hangs head

going2mars on October 31, 2013 at 2:45 AM

going2mars on October 31, 2013 at 2:40 AM

Fair to middlin’. I’ve been worse. How was your day?

novaculus on October 31, 2013 at 2:46 AM

Anti-Control on October 31, 2013 at 2:43 AM

great old pics of the stones….

going2mars on October 31, 2013 at 2:49 AM

novaculus on October 31, 2013 at 2:46 AM

well from the political side…wow what yet another day..
and on the homefront….much like you im working hard..
doing some drawings for the left coast..

did we not see a day of …lies…more lies…and damn lies today or what?

going2mars on October 31, 2013 at 2:52 AM

Traffic – “Paper Sun”

Anti-Control on October 31, 2013 at 2:56 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKlEVtA_TGQ

this is an interesting bit…

going2mars on October 31, 2013 at 3:03 AM

For williamg:

Husker Du – “Gravity” (live 1981)

Anti-Control on October 31, 2013 at 3:05 AM

going2mars on October 31, 2013 at 2:52 AM

Pretty crazy, wasn’t it?

I started out with the House hearing playing in the background while I worked. Skipped Obama’s speech; he just lies continuously and it aggravates me.

But I’ve thought since he went crazy with the Shutdown Theater that the dike was weakening, and the preference cascade was beginning. I thought it damaged his credibility, irrevocably. I couldn’t have anticipated just how badly his tools would bungle the Obamacare rollout though, or that the cascade would be accelerated by the insurance cancellation notices.

I’m more optimistic than I’ve been in a long time. This asshole may set back the liberal agenda for a decade. The American people are slow to anger, but this POS has been lying to us for five years, and people are finally catching on.

And I think we’re about to see some very damning evidence coming out on Benghazi. I have to admit, I want to see the scumbag get what is coming to him. If he takes a bunch of his Democrat tools down with him, so much the better.

novaculus on October 31, 2013 at 3:11 AM

great old pics of the stones….

going2mars on October 31, 2013 at 2:49 AM

For one of their best songs, too.

Be Bop Deluxe – “No Trains To Heaven”

Anti-Control on October 31, 2013 at 3:14 AM

OK, I got sloppy & the comment went into moderation. Cleaned up version here:

going2mars on October 31, 2013 at 2:52 AM

Pretty crazy, wasn’t it?

I started out with the House hearing playing in the background while I worked. Skipped Obama’s speech; he just lies continuously and it aggravates me.

But I’ve thought since he went crazy with the Shutdown Theater that the dike was weakening, and the preference cascade was beginning. I thought it damaged his credibility, irrevocably. I couldn’t have anticipated just how badly his tools would bungle the Obamacare rollout though, or that the cascade would be accelerated by the insurance cancellation notices.

I’m more optimistic than I’ve been in a long time. This a$$hole may set back the liberal agenda for a decade. The American people are slow to anger, but this POS has been lying to us for five years, and people are finally catching on.

And I think we’re about to see some very damning evidence coming out on Benghazi. I have to admit, I want to see the scumbag get what is coming to him. If he takes a bunch of his Democrat tools down with him, so much the better.

novaculus on October 31, 2013 at 3:15 AM

novaculus on October 31, 2013 at 3:15 AM

sounds exactally like my day…

did you see the gallop numbers out today..
was like 41 love bho 52 not so much..
i think your correct ppl are waking up a tad..
my sisters boyfriend just got the word this week
but not from the insurance co…from the firm he works for..
“because ACA costs so mush we can no longer insure your wife or kids…”..
he musta pis*ed off 10-20 million the last month..
insurance dropped like 2 mil allready and maybe 12-14 total..
the employer is dropping both people and coverage…millions
and another upset group would be a person whos boss cut their hours..
if they were working like 45 or 48 hours a week and now 28
is the new norm..plus heres you bill for ACA…sheesh..
i bet he pis*ed off 25 million this month alone..

going2mars on October 31, 2013 at 3:28 AM

My last one:

Red Lorry Yellow Lorry – “Which Side”

Holding on
You keep holding on
To the things you love
You just carry on
It’s like amnesia
As the days roll on
This shadow over everyone

Which side are you on
I said which side are you on

If your legs are tied
But your shoes undone
And you’re holding out
But it won’t take long
When the walls are up
And you’re tumbling down
Are you made of stone?
Will you carry on?

Anti-Control on October 31, 2013 at 3:30 AM

Anti-Control on October 31, 2013 at 3:14 AM

i actually saw these guys at cobo hall in detroit…76 or 77
(several of those years were a bit of a blurrrrrr)
it was, as i remember, a good show

going2mars on October 31, 2013 at 3:31 AM

hey LC i havent seen you since Lou passed…

another great band …rip Lou…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoytmVwcsB4

going2mars on October 31, 2013 at 3:34 AM

and when you look at the numbers nova…
what did BHO win by…4 or 5 million…
a 2.5-3 million vote shift makes BHO a looser..
(not that we havent know all along he is a looser)
or maybe Hillary will have to pay this toll..hmm

going2mars on October 31, 2013 at 3:38 AM

going2mars on October 31, 2013 at 3:28 AM

Hubris. Massive hubris. The hubris of a seriously narcissistic personality.

He thought because he had lied successfully for so long, he could just keep on lying forever.

novaculus on October 31, 2013 at 3:45 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Goebbels

this guy would have been proud of em…
tell the Big Lie
hard ….fast….loud….and often…

going2mars on October 31, 2013 at 3:49 AM

i dont think most of the LIV’s have a clue what is at stake here..
all they see is FREE FREE FREE and this guy is giving it to me …
and taking it from ‘the man’…

they have no care what so ever as to the type or style
of government is now the new landlord…
they dont see ‘rights’ going out the door
they see ‘free stuff’ comming in….

going2mars on October 31, 2013 at 3:51 AM

So a liar is finding new ways to lie. It’s so blatant he just doesn’t care anymore.

dogsoldier on October 31, 2013 at 5:23 AM

The Rushbo segment is interesting listening. I understood that Obama had thrown a large bone to unions by postponing the tax on so-called Cadillac health-insurance plans until 2018 so that unions wouldn’t get hurt so soon.

Seems to me that there’s a nice equal protection argument by owners of canceled policies pointing out the carve out for union policies. That’s unbelievable. Why the disparate treatment? What entitles union policies to a pass on the post-enactment modifications?

BuckeyeSam on October 31, 2013 at 5:37 AM

“For the vast majority of people who have health insurance that works under my regulations, you can keep it,” he said in a speech in Boston.

FIFO

cmsinaz on October 31, 2013 at 6:02 AM

The ACA was ingeniously designed to deliver benefits to Democratic constituencies and impose costs on Republican ones.

shocka….and they wonder why we won’t compromise or that not ONE GOP voted for this crapola…

cmsinaz on October 31, 2013 at 6:06 AM

I just went over to Breitbart and saw this article highlighted.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/10/30/Election-Integrity-Activists-Obamacare-Biggest-Voter-Registration-Fraud-Scheme-in-History

Apparently, Obamacare’s really all about funneling millions of people into Medicaid (those already entitled and those entitled through expansion) and on to the voter roles. Dems won’t need amnesty for illegal immigrants.

I guess this means that we can look forward to not only income confiscation but wealth confiscation. One-party rule here we come.

BuckeyeSam on October 31, 2013 at 6:07 AM

But for the most part, the mainstream media failed to aggressively pursue the story, taking Obama’s claim at face value without testing it against the facts.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/republicans-obamacare-cancellation-notice-media-99147.html#ixzz2jIEDaZEd

including you politico….

cmsinaz on October 31, 2013 at 6:10 AM

“Obama said one thing, and something else happened. It’s his ‘Mission Accomplished’ moment.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/republicans-obamacare-cancellation-notice-media-99147_Page2.html#ixzz2jIEriRZP

ouch

cmsinaz on October 31, 2013 at 6:12 AM

obama’s approval ratings are low, but the gop are lower so its ok to continue to bash the gop instead of what dear leader has been doing to this country
-morning joe crew

cmsinaz on October 31, 2013 at 6:16 AM

BuckeyeSam on October 31, 2013 at 6:07 AM

cripe…

*shaking the head*

cmsinaz on October 31, 2013 at 6:18 AM

the gop look too gleeful about the boodoggle…better be careful
-msdnc hack

cmsinaz on October 31, 2013 at 6:23 AM

Imagine if we had a free press in America.

Murphy9 on October 31, 2013 at 6:35 AM

Good Morning, Patriots! And, Trolls.
***With apologies to Smokey Robinson and The Captain & Tenille.
My take: Obama Told Me, “You Better Shop Around”!

kingsjester on October 31, 2013 at 6:39 AM

cripe…

*shaking the head*

cmsinaz on October 31, 2013 at 6:18 AM

I got sick.

the gop look too gleeful about the boodoggle…better be careful
-msdnc hack

cmsinaz on October 31, 2013 at 6:23 AM

I’m not sure how to advise the GOP. I wish they’d analyze the entire market/population and summarize who’s winning and who’s losing now that the bad parts of Obamacare are rolling out.

For example, GOP and conservatives who light their hair on fire about the supposed Catch-22 of being canceled and then not being able to enroll. Screw the feds. Save some money and go uninsured until you need it: it’s the law. The IRS can assess a fine, but the it can collect only against an income tax refund. The penalty is peanuts by comparison anyway. In short, it’s a Mickey Mouse issue.

I’d rather they start harping about the three or four nonsense mandatory provisions and point out that those provisions have to be in the coverage that employers extend to employees. Obama’s laughing about the “minuscule” percentage affected by the individual cancellations, the GOP should start warning what’s going to have to the group market: for small companies and employees, for mid-size companies and employees, and large companies and employees. There’s still a lot of spit to hit the fan.

And, as I said above, why is Rush the first person to mention the union carve-out? What happened to equal protection under the law?

BuckeyeSam on October 31, 2013 at 6:40 AM

Good Morning, Patriots! And, Trolls.
***With apologies to Smokey Robinson and The Captain & Tenille.
My take: Obama Told Me, “You Better Shop Around”!

kingsjester on October 31, 2013 at 6:39 AM

I said in the “Shop Around” thread that late night comics or SNL will blow it if they don’t have a routine with Obama at a podium yakking, with his his usual backdrop of stooges, then breaking out into a takeoff of the Smokey Robinson and the Miracles: “My momma tol’ me: You betta shop around.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQGXa3FiXKM&feature=player_embedded

BuckeyeSam on October 31, 2013 at 6:45 AM

BuckeyeSam on October 31, 2013 at 6:40 AM

great points buckeye…

cmsinaz on October 31, 2013 at 6:45 AM

BuckeyeSam on October 31, 2013 at 6:45 AM

I know. I couldn’t help myself.

kingsjester on October 31, 2013 at 6:47 AM

kingsjester on October 31, 2013 at 6:39 AM

morning KJ

another great take brother

cmsinaz on October 31, 2013 at 6:48 AM

cmsinaz on October 31, 2013 at 6:48 AM

Thank you, ma’am!

kingsjester on October 31, 2013 at 6:52 AM

Good Morning, Patriots! And, Trolls.
***With apologies to Smokey Robinson and The Captain & Tenille.
My take: Obama Told Me, “You Better Shop Around”!

kingsjester on October 31, 2013 at 6:39 AM

Outstanding KJ

What amazes me most is that none of these criminals. Sebelius,Carney, or the lazy stupid one show any sort of compassion to those most harmed. Instead they lecture and cajole and suggest the possibility.of subsidies for some.

Happy Nomad on October 31, 2013 at 7:01 AM

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Instead they lecture and cajole and suggest the possibility.of subsidies for some.

Happy Nomad on October 31, 2013 at 7:01 AM

My response to that is that Obama and the Dems should go phuck themselves. If they want to subsidize something, then tax us. Tax us. Don’t hide the tax in healthcare legislation in a statute that reads “under regulations to be prescribed by the Secretary of Health and Human Services.” And then I find out that my particular tax represents the premium attributable to the nonsense coverage that they require me to carry. That’s total horseshit. In a better day, these people probably would have been tried and summarily executed. At a minimum, they’d have been tarred and feathered and then locked up in some public stocks. They’re a disgrace.

BuckeyeSam on October 31, 2013 at 7:08 AM

I know this is not on the subject of this post but i had to share some good news from S.C.A new poll just came out today about little lapdog Graham.His approval rate now stands at 45% down from 70% last year.

logman1 on October 31, 2013 at 7:09 AM

Happy Nomad on October 31, 2013 at 7:01 AM

Exactly.

An American President would have apologized by now.

kingsjester on October 31, 2013 at 7:12 AM

logman1 on October 31, 2013 at 7:09 AM

:)

kingsjester on October 31, 2013 at 7:12 AM

the lapdog media would have made sure by now…

cmsinaz on October 31, 2013 at 7:14 AM

Imagine if we had a free press in America.

Murphy9 on October 31, 2013 at 6:35 AM

Free, nothing. Imagine if we could put them in jail for sedition and treason.

Cleombrotus on October 31, 2013 at 7:18 AM

Free, nothing. Imagine if we could put them in jail for sedition and treason.
Cleombrotus on October 31, 2013 at 7:18 AM

Of course!

Murphy9 on October 31, 2013 at 7:25 AM

Murphy9 on October 31, 2013 at 7:25 AM

Or better yet, hang ‘em in the public square.

Cleombrotus on October 31, 2013 at 7:28 AM

My take: Obama Told Me, “You Better Shop Around”!

kingsjester on October 31, 2013 at 6:39 AM

…why was I grinning…while reading that?

KOOLAID2 on October 31, 2013 at 7:40 AM

Obama lied. Period.

chazmaz on October 31, 2013 at 7:48 AM

I think Obama just had his “read my lips, no new taxes” moment. Good Morning America was busting on him lying.

Johnnyreb on October 31, 2013 at 7:53 AM

An American President would have apologized by now.

kingsjester on October 31, 2013 at 7:12 AM

A decent foreigner would have apologized.

It’s Halloween!

Fallon on October 31, 2013 at 8:15 AM

Illusion-or-Treat, Hot Gassers!

Perfect day to keep up the ObamaScare pressure. Obama…. LIED over and over and over again.

Fallon on October 31, 2013 at 8:29 AM

I think Obama just had his “read my lips, no new taxes” moment. Good Morning America was busting on him lying.

Johnnyreb on October 31, 2013 at 7:53 AM

When you’ve lost GMA…

We are very possibly watching the implosion of his admin. To me, the over/under (before/after) about when something MAJOR happens to 0dumaCare is December 15. If Cuccinelli wins next week, I’ll definitely be taking the “under” date – as it currently stands, I probably already am… :)

It’s Halloween!

Fallon on October 31, 2013 at 8:15 AM

haha I thought about posting that earlier, then it slipped my mind. ^5! :)

Anti-Control on October 31, 2013 at 8:47 AM

Dear Buckeye Sam, they are going to tax us, too. Reid has already promised that he’ll get more revenues or shut it all down again.

Once a trap has been sprung, you have to gnaw your leg off to get away. Our trap has been sprung.

Kissmygrits on October 31, 2013 at 9:37 AM

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