New bill introduced by Dem senator: No, really, if you like your plan, you can keep it

posted at 6:41 pm on October 30, 2013 by Allahpundit

It’s Mary Landrieu, who, until recently, was known to say how proud she is to have voted for ObamaCare and is now reduced to floating bills in the Senate that attempt to hold the president to the most basic promises he made when selling the bill.

She comes from solid-red Louisiana and is up for reelection next year, which is another way of saying that she too is deeply worried about losing something because of ObamaCare.

Sen. Mary Landrieu said Wednesday she would propose legislation to ensure all Americans could keep their existing insurance coverage under Obamacare, a fresh sign of the political problems the law’s rollout has created for congressional Democrats…

“The promise was made, and it should be kept,” Landrieu said in the Capitol Wednesday. “And it was our understanding when we voted for that bill that people when they have insurance could keep with what they had. So I’m going to be working on that fix.”…

Landrieu said that her bill would “grandfather” in soon-to-be-cancelled plans, even if insurance holders could find better policies through the exchanges.

Asked if she believed Obama wasn’t forthright with the public about the law, Landrieu said: “I didn’t think it was intentional” and said that the country would be “better off” if Republicans had tried to improve the law rather than repeal it repeatedly.

That boldfaced bit is the closest I’ve seen any Democrat come to recanting their vote. We’re not at that point yet but give it a few months, as the rate shock spreads and insurers start sweating over adverse selection problems driven by the website’s malfunction. Ironically, whether she knows it or not, Landrieu has in her own small way increased the odds that things will get worse for the law politically, not better: She was one of the 10 Senate Democrats who signed a letter to Sebelius last week calling on her to extend the enrollment period next year past March 31. Not only would that probably be illegal, the prospect of healthy young uninsured people being granted even more time to stay out of the risk pool is starting to give insurers the shakes. “If you can enroll at any point in the year, then you can just wait until you get sick,” noted one analyst. That’s right, and that’ll drive insurers’ costs up, which means either premiums will go up on everyone or HHS will need to bail the insurers out from the added cost. For all of Landrieu’s supposed pride in ObamaCare, she doesn’t seem to care much now about keeping the pieces in place that are needed to make this thing kinda sorta “work.”

And yet, in spite of it all:

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Perceptions of ObamaCare are actually rosier now than they were this summer. The only explanation I have for that is that we’re in a partisan holding pattern while the first few months play out. Democrats are circling the wagons because they know Obama’s big “achievement” is wounded, but if the website isn’t fixed next month and the media coverage about rate shock turns even more sour, people will start to peel away next year. That’s Landrieu’s bet too, I assume, or else she wouldn’t have introduced her new bill, which is wildly off-message from this week’s rotating Democratic talking points of “it wasn’t a lie, it was a slight exaggeration,” “losing your plan will be good for you,” and “it’s the GOP’s fault.”

Speaking of which, via Newsbusters, here’s dopey Bill Maher stumbling onto the truth in arguing that Obama lied about keeping your plan because he knew O-Care wouldn’t have passed if he didn’t. To Maher, that’s a criticism of Republicans: If only they hadn’t opposed O, he wouldn’t have been forced to deceive people. Lord only knows how far he’s willing to extend that principle. Exit question via Ross Douthat: Why did Obama and his regulators at HHS make the rules disqualifying “grandfathered” plans even harsher than they had to be? I’ve been assuming it’s because they wanted to maximize the revenue from middle-class people being forced into more expensive “comprehensive” plans, but if O ever really did care about holding costs down, granting grandfather status to more plans that focus on catastrophic coverage would have done that better than the current scheme.


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Anyone else hear a squealing pig in their head when they saw that picture? :-P

ThePrez on October 30, 2013 at 6:43 PM

Hey, remind me, when is she up for re-election?

kjl291 on October 30, 2013 at 6:44 PM

buh bye Mary…it’s a little too little, it’s a little too late…

ted c on October 30, 2013 at 6:45 PM

What a fustercluck…

Murphy9 on October 30, 2013 at 6:46 PM

No Murphy,…it’s a ClusterFarkNado

ted c on October 30, 2013 at 6:49 PM

if Republicans had tried to improve the law rather than repeal it repeatedly.

So the Fascist-Democrats are admitting they are incompetent at legislating?

rbj on October 30, 2013 at 6:49 PM

So, is Miss Louisiana Purchase calling Obama a liar?

‘Actually, ANY insurance that you currently have would be grandfathered in so you could keep it. So you could decide not to get in the exchange the better plan. I could keep my Acme Insurance, just a high deductible catastrophic plan. I WOULD NOT BE REQUIRED TO GET THE BETTER ONE.’

- President Barack Obama, 25 February 2010

Sounds like it.

Resist We Much on October 30, 2013 at 6:49 PM

Didn’t Landrieu just say recently that what O meant was “you can keep your plan if it’s a GOOD plan”?

ddrintn on October 30, 2013 at 6:49 PM

How? The plans are cancelled. At this point, how does changing the law change anything in reality? It doesn’t.

besser tot als rot on October 30, 2013 at 6:50 PM

Why did Obama and his regulators at HHS make the rules disqualifying “grandfathered” plans even harsher than they had to be? I’ve been assuming it’s because they wanted to maximize the revenue from middle-class people being forced into more expensive “comprehensive” plans, but if O ever really did care about holding costs down, granting grandfather status to more plans that focus on catastrophic coverage would have done that better than the current scheme.

It gets them all in the system, and under control of the bureaucrats. No mystery at all.

nukemhill on October 30, 2013 at 6:50 PM

To Maher, that’s a criticism of Republicans: If only they hadn’t opposed O, he wouldn’t have been forced to deceive people.

I read something today on a liberal blog that basically said that, Yes Obama lied but he had to and progs don’t mind being lied to if it tricks everyone else into doing something they support. It’s the prog version of kitman.

HotAirian on October 30, 2013 at 6:51 PM

But what is her plan?

DanMan on October 30, 2013 at 6:52 PM

Perceptions of ObamaCare are actually rosier now than they were this summer. The only explanation I have for that is that we’re in a partisan holding pattern while the first few months play out. Democrats are circling the wagons because they know Obama’s big “achievement” is wounded, but if the website isn’t fixed next month and the media coverage about rate shock turns even more sour, people will start to peel away next year.

Or perhaps everything is a lie, fraud or whatever. The president lies ever second of every day. Why not have fabricated polls showing increasing support for what everyone knows is a pile of crap that will destroy healthcare.

bgibbs1000 on October 30, 2013 at 6:52 PM

Just imagine the firestorm we’d be having right now if Obama hadn’t illegally delayed the employer mandate.

besser tot als rot on October 30, 2013 at 6:53 PM

If she is to be believed, she should be voted out simply for having the poor judgement to have trusted Obama.

Tater Salad on October 30, 2013 at 6:53 PM

And it was our understanding when we voted for that bill that people when they have insurance could keep with what they had.

This alone ought to garner a recall election, or at least get her kicked out next election.

bgibbs1000 on October 30, 2013 at 6:55 PM

Simply rats running from the flood.

Tater Salad on October 30, 2013 at 6:56 PM

The senate threw every thing and the kitchen sink into their law and then lost the Swimmer. Christmas eve 2009 wasn’t it? It’s the dem house members that passed the senate’s bill without discussing it. On Good Friday 2010 as I recall. They couldn’t change anything without it going to a conference committee.

Mocking God is never a good idea.

DanMan on October 30, 2013 at 6:57 PM

“And it was our understanding when we voted for that bill that people when they have insurance could keep with what they had. So I’m going to be working on that fix.”

You know what would be really awesome? If there were some way the Senators could have a copy of the bill beforehand so they could read it first, and then vote on it.

I realize that it’s more fun to do it the other way around, where you pass the bill and then find out the fun surprises inside. But I was just thinking maybe it would help us avoid these minor inconveniences like having to pay several thousand dollars extra for your healthcare.

RINO in Name Only on October 30, 2013 at 6:58 PM

Here’s a thought instead of passing all these laws to “fix” it – repeal it and go back to what we had.

gophergirl on October 30, 2013 at 7:00 PM

but if O ever really did care about holding costs down

He didn’t.

txhsmom on October 30, 2013 at 7:03 PM

And it was our understanding when we voted for that bill that people when they have insurance could keep with what they had. So I’m going to be working on that fix.”…

Actually no. To all of us who ACTUALLY READ the bill we knew damn well what would happen. So either she’s incompetent and didn’t do her job of reading/understanding the bill; or she knew it would happen and is a liar trying to get re-elected. So either way she’s unfit for office; do your job and boot her Louisiana!

nextgen_repub on October 30, 2013 at 7:04 PM

Dear Senator Landrieu: Call your office. Senator Ron Johnson on line 2.

Steve Z on October 30, 2013 at 7:05 PM

How in hell would that even work? The plans that are being dropped don’t meet the coverage standard–would they allow people to stay on those plans at lower coverage levels than the “gold” O-care standard? Would those pools still be frozen forever? And would this extend to the employer plans next year?

If so, I would think the death spiral still happens, as the insurers are counting on not only the 30M new customers but all the poor morons kicked off their cheaper plans. They wouldn’t get the second group, or not for awhile. They may claim they only counted on the 30M in their calculations for the new o-care plans, but I wouldn’t believe it. Everyone in the industry knew the regs that came down a long time ago–would someone have kept that info from the actuarial dept? Again, doubtful.

Finally, all the notices have gone out. How do you put that cat back in the bag? This is a CYA bill that will go nowhere, hopefully call further negative attention to Landrieu, and would be impossible for an already inept HSS division to implement were it to come to fruition anyway.

TexasDan on October 30, 2013 at 7:05 PM

Anyone hear of Cloward-Piven? This is designed to overpower / overrun the existing system and bring on full-fledged communism.

Mirimichi on October 30, 2013 at 7:07 PM

NBCUniversal’s Insurance Premiums to Rise Due to Obamacare

CNBC’s morning anchors were troubled by the news that their own insurance plans will become more costly under the Affordable Care Act (ACA).

On Oct. 30’s “Squawk Box,” CNBC Senior Correspondent Scott Cohn revealed details of NBC’s open enrollment, brandishing an official fact book outlining the process. He quoted the document, revealing that the ACA would increase employee premiums.

Cohn observed “Some of these costs, when you look at this, are way up — double digits.”

Aetna Chairman and CEO, Mark Bertolini explained that “Aetna alone will pass through to its customers over a billion dollars of taxes and fees associated with the Affordable Care Act.”

Ironically, NBC has worked hard to promote Obamacare. In the week before the exchanges opened, NBC launched their own week-long campaign, to “help Americans get the most out of the Affordable Care Act.” NBC affiliate MSNBC was even more blatant in touting Obamacare.

According to the new health plan, “federally mandated health care changes will require Comcast-NBCUniversal to pay new fees and implement plan design changes that will contribute to the increased cost of our plans.”

These plan changes would also affect other NBCUniversal outlets like NBC and MSNBC.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Resist We Much on October 30, 2013 at 7:08 PM

Even if plan coverage remains the same, the premiums on these old plans will go up because of the new taxes on medical devices, insurance companies and what ever other taxes are hidden in the regs to pay for the subsidizes.

Laurence on October 30, 2013 at 7:10 PM

Anyone hear of Cloward-Piven? This is designed to overpower / overrun the existing system and bring on full-fledged communism.

Mirimichi on October 30, 2013 at 7:07 PM

Ya think. Of course it is and politics won’t stop it.

bgibbs1000 on October 30, 2013 at 7:12 PM

Bus headed to Mary Landrieu in 3…2…1…

redguy on October 30, 2013 at 7:12 PM

Anyone else hear a squealing pig in their head when they saw that picture? :-P

ThePrez on October 30, 2013 at 6:43 PM

The Beatles may have been prescient:

Have you seen the little piggies
Crawling in the dirt?
And for all the little piggies
Life is getting worse
Always having dirt to play around in

***

In their styes with all their backing
They don’t care what goes on around
In their eyes there’s something lacking
What they need’s a damn good whacking

TXUS on October 30, 2013 at 7:13 PM

These slimy politicians are despicable. Don’t be fooled Louisiana. Kick her to the curb

neyney on October 30, 2013 at 7:13 PM

MeanWhile, back at GOP/Conservative Ranch:

Oct 30, 3:59 PM EDT

Group’s lawsuit seeks to void health care law

By DINESH RAMDE
Associated Press
****************

MILWAUKEE (AP) — A conservative group filed a federal lawsuit Wednesday seeking to have the federal health care law declared unconstitutional, arguing that the government postponed its so-called employer mandate without the necessary congressional approval.

The lawsuit came the same day that a congressional panel grilled Kathleen Sebelius, the secretary of Health and Human Services, over problems that overwhelmed the government website intended to help people shop for health insurance.

The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons is seeking to have the health care law overturned. The group is seizing on a provision that was supposed to go into effect next year but ultimately was postponed for 12 months. That provision requires employers with 50 or more workers to offer affordable coverage or face fines, but it’s been put off until 2015.

That employer mandate was originally to go into effect at the same time as a mandate requiring individuals to carry health insurance or pay fines. The lawsuit argues that since the two aspects have been separated, people will now have to spend more on premiums because they’ll be required to buy insurance without the “protection” of the employer mandate.

The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons is a politically active group that favors having patients pay directly for medical services without the intervention of health insurance companies.

It sued on behalf of Robert T. McQueeney, a psychiatrist from northeastern Wisconsin who doesn’t accept most forms of insurance and whose clients often pay in cash. If people are paying more for insurance premiums, the association argued, they’ll have less cash to spend on medical services such as McQueeney’s.

That would prevent patients from getting top-notch care, and it would also take money away from doctors who’d have no way to recover those financial losses, the lawsuit said.

The association has about 5,000 members on its mailing list, about 90 percent of whom are doctors, group spokeswoman Jane Orient said.

“We just want to get the federal government out of medicine and restore control to the patients rather than the bureaucrats,” Orient said.

The defendant named in the lawsuit is Daniel Werfel, the commissioner of the Internal Revenue Service, which is implementing the individual mandate. Neither the IRS nor the White House immediately responded to messages Wednesday.

The association argues that the White House bypassed constitutional restrictions when it delayed implementation of the employer mandate. The group alleges the move violates the 10th Amendment and the constitutional separation of powers.

It asks that the health care law be struck down, or at least that the individual mandate not be enforced until the employer mandate is.

Dinesh Ramde can be reached at dramde(at)ap.org.
================================================

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_HEALTH_OVERHAUL_LAWSUIT?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

canopfor on October 30, 2013 at 7:13 PM

Anyone hear of Cloward-Piven? This is designed to overpower / overrun the existing system and bring on full-fledged communism.

Mirimichi on October 30, 2013 at 7:07 PM

Ya think. Of course it is and politics won’t stop it.

bgibbs1000 on October 30, 2013 at 7:12 PM

Nope not the RINOish bunch we have…….

Only one way to stop communism…..

Hint: Look at Egypt.

redguy on October 30, 2013 at 7:14 PM

Bullsh*t, Mary. Every state has a dept of insurance you idiot. You can’t just freaking mandate reinstatement of cancelled policies you idiot.

Good Lord Almighty. These people are literally insane.

Key West Reader on October 30, 2013 at 7:17 PM

Mary, … keep in mind the great phrase of the fellow swordsman in the movie Braveheart when he sees the King’s Knights on horseback facing their single line of (farmer) infantry and turns to Robert and says … “We’re phucked.”

Missilengr on October 30, 2013 at 7:17 PM

Ya think. Of course it is and politics won’t stop it.

bgibbs1000 on October 30, 2013 at 7:12 PM

If politics won’t stop it, what will? I’m assuming that you mean politics to be voting out the wrong people and voting in the right people.

Mirimichi on October 30, 2013 at 7:19 PM

here’s dopey Bill Maher stumbling onto the truth in arguing that Obama lied about keeping your plan because he knew O-Care wouldn’t have passed if he didn’t. To Maher, that’s a criticism of Republicans: If only they hadn’t opposed O, he wouldn’t have been forced to deceive people. Lord only knows how far he’s willing to extend that principle.

Yeah, of course. Why if Republicans had just embraced everything Obama wanted from the start, then Barry would obviously have chosen to govern as a conservative and told the truth all the time.

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha ….

(wimper)…..(snort)……

dissent555 on October 30, 2013 at 7:19 PM

From what I have read, unions were given a carve-out on the grandfathering of their health-insurance plans because the plans were part of a negotiated contract.

Now how can insurance companies cancel plans if they had negotiated a contract with their customers? I realize that Obysmalcare forced insurance companies to provide expanded mandated coverage, which has driven up the costs of policies, but how does this mandated coverage affect union insurance policies? Are the members provided all of the “goodies” of O-care without paying the freight?

“Social justice” Yay!/

onlineanalyst on October 30, 2013 at 7:19 PM

Lame Duck Dynasty.

hillsoftx on October 30, 2013 at 7:23 PM

onlineanalyst on October 30, 2013 at 7:19 PM

I guess this includes public sector unions as well.

/Ladies and Gentlemen: The Government Is Now In Charge.

lay down and eat your turdburger.

Key West Reader on October 30, 2013 at 7:23 PM

“And it was our understanding when we voted for that bill that people when they have insurance could keep with what they had. So I’m going to be working on that fix.”

You know what would be really awesome? If there were some way the Senators could have a copy of the bill beforehand so they could read it first, and then vote on it.
RINO in Name Only on October 30, 2013 at 6:58 PM

The dems voted to approve a bill that contained the phrase “THE SECRETARY SHALL DETERMINE” over and over and over. Maybe someone TOLD Lando “Oh they can keep any insurance they have”, but it WAS NOT IN WRITING. Lando might be able to claim she didn’t see this coming, but can’t say the bill contained language that would prevent it either.

Marcola on October 30, 2013 at 7:23 PM

Lame Duck Dynasty.

hillsoftx on October 30, 2013 at 7:23 PM

I hope that sticks.

Key West Reader on October 30, 2013 at 7:24 PM

She’s just “evolving” like Rubio and obama.

Pork-Chop on October 30, 2013 at 7:25 PM

and do they think it’s going to be free to the ins co.s to reestablish those plans back into their databases? The toothpaste is out of the tube Mary–good luck.

hillsoftx on October 30, 2013 at 7:27 PM

And if you believed the Pres deceived you, then you are by default admitting you never read the legislation and, more importantly, the changes made on the bill in March 2010 that prompted co.s to drop their plans were ignored by you, as well. OWN IT.

hillsoftx on October 30, 2013 at 7:28 PM

since Obama is now a proven liar could’nt he be impeached for fraud

gerrym51 on October 30, 2013 at 7:41 PM

Wasn’t that vote late on a Christmas eve and not one Republican voted for it…? Is that the vote she regrets?

d1carter on October 30, 2013 at 7:42 PM

Schadenfreude indeed. : )

Bmore on October 30, 2013 at 7:44 PM

Landrieu might as well save her money and kiss off the next election.

GarandFan on October 30, 2013 at 7:47 PM

The lying sacks are coming home to roost.

Mason on October 30, 2013 at 7:48 PM

Anyone else hear a squealing pig in their head when they saw that picture? :-P

ThePrez on October 30, 2013 at 6:43 PM

Yes,and I also heard a faint banjo playing.

docflash on October 30, 2013 at 7:53 PM

Can someone please explain the Sibelius “Don’t do that to me” comment. Thank you.

Schadenfreude on October 30, 2013 at 7:54 PM

Schadenfreude indeed. : )

Bmore on October 30, 2013 at 7:44 PM

I’d charge you commission, my friend, were you not so talented with all the photo-shops :)

Schadenfreude on October 30, 2013 at 7:55 PM

I want to see tears running down those chubby cheeks next election.

SouthernGent on October 30, 2013 at 7:56 PM

Good Lord Almighty. These people are literally insane.

Key West Reader on October 30, 2013 at 7:17 PM

Key West Reader:Lol,…you Go Girl———-:0

canopfor on October 30, 2013 at 7:57 PM

Grandfather plans in?

Too late for that, sweetums!

You gots millions of people with canceled plans as of NOW, dearie.

You is way too late on this bill.

ajacksonian on October 30, 2013 at 8:01 PM

…A M E N !

KOOLAID2 on October 30, 2013 at 8:01 PM

I read something today on a liberal blog that basically said that, Yes Obama lied but he had to and progs don’t mind being lied to if it tricks everyone else into doing something they support. It’s the prog version of kitman.

HotAirian on October 30, 2013 at 6:51 PM

Perhaps you have heard of taqiyya, the Muslim doctrine that allows lying in certain circumstances, primarily when Muslim minorities live under infidel authority.

Now meet tawriya, a doctrine that allows lying in virtually all circumstances—including to fellow Muslims and by swearing to Allah—provided the liar is creative enough to articulate his deceit in a way that is true to him.

Just saying……

mechkiller_k on October 30, 2013 at 8:24 PM

Landrieu said that her bill would “grandfather” in soon-to-be-cancelled plans, even if insurance holders could find better policies through the exchanges.

They won’t find “better policies”! That’s not how this works.

slickwillie2001 on October 30, 2013 at 8:27 PM

Landrieu is going down.

This changes NOTHING.

HondaV65 on October 30, 2013 at 8:27 PM

if Republicans had tried to improve the law rather than repeal it repeatedly.

How can you “improve” a socialist takeover of the health insurance industry to make it better?

slickwillie2001 on October 30, 2013 at 8:34 PM

Imprecision.

Newspeak for lie.

BobMbx on October 30, 2013 at 9:02 PM

If you like your Jowls, you can keep your Jowls.

BigWyo on October 30, 2013 at 9:05 PM

There is a bright side to all of this that no one has mentioned :

When young healthy people forego the Obamacare exchanges in droves, Obama will have taught an entire generation what the concept of “Going Galt” means.

MichaelGabriel on October 30, 2013 at 9:12 PM

There is a bright side to all of this that no one has mentioned :

When young healthy people forego the Obamacare exchanges in droves, Obama will have taught an entire generation what the concept of “Going Galt” means.

MichaelGabriel on October 30, 2013 at 9:12 PM

They’ll be in for a rude shock when they see the lengths that the proggies will go, via the IRS, to collect the fines.

slickwillie2001 on October 30, 2013 at 10:30 PM

How in hell would that even work? The plans that are being dropped don’t meet the coverage standard–would they allow people to stay on those plans at lower coverage levels than the “gold” O-care standard? Would those pools still be frozen forever? And would this extend to the employer plans next year?

Finally, all the notices have gone out. How do you put that cat back in the bag? This is a CYA bill that will go nowhere, hopefully call further negative attention to Landrieu, and would be impossible for an already inept HSS division to implement were it to come to fruition anyway.

TexasDan on October 30, 2013 at 7:05 PM

Face it, a lot of people will lose their affordable insurance unless Obamacare is repealed. The bill is too flawed to be fixed.

talkingpoints on October 30, 2013 at 10:47 PM

Red state Dem senators should be endangered species this next election.

Let’s face it, the way we elect senators and the President allows the largest urban centers to control the whole state election results via fraud. Republicans win when results come from districts, even before re-districting.

My hope is the red tide for 2014 when the full dose of Obamacare costs start hitting everyone FINALLY motivates voters on the right to actually show up.

Maybe some of you stay-at-home types in New Orleans can make a better showing this time around?

goflyers on October 30, 2013 at 11:01 PM

Anyone who knows the lay of the land knows that Congressman Bill Cassidy is going to defeat Landrieu in the primary.

FYI, In Louisiana we do not have party primaries but a “jungle” primary with candidates from all parties. There is only one candidate positioned to defeat her. There is another one running as a Republican, but his campaign is BROKE ($16K) and campaign manager has resigned. He’s a carpet bagger who moved here a few years ago anyway with a farm subsidy piece of land near Spencer, IN which he was going to retire on until Mary Landrieu’s largest campaign contributor offered him a job.

Kermit on October 31, 2013 at 7:39 AM

Meet Colonel Rob Maness. The man responsible for this bill..

kcewa on October 30, 2013 at 7:12 PM

Maness is dead dog broke with only $16K in the bank and campaign manager resigned two days ago. The ad is a lie, he promised that he would drop out if he had not raised $250K by end of summer. He raised only $101K by October. He has almost ZERO financial support from inside the state.

Kermit on October 31, 2013 at 7:46 AM

I disagree. The quote: “And it was our understanding when we voted for that bill” does not refute her vote. It puts distance between her and her vote. Big difference. She can still argue, “Hey, I had the best intentions for you when I voted for this bill and I was hoodwinked like you.” Proof positive that the idiots did not, in fact, read the monstrosity. I cannot for the life of me understand how this bill is still law when it is so very wrong and will reduce medical advances, R&D, and care to that of a Second World Nation for years to come.

stop2think on October 31, 2013 at 10:58 AM

Lucky for her that the Congressional health care plan allows her to proceed with step two of her transgender operation.

NoPain on October 31, 2013 at 11:48 AM

Given the comprehensive nature of the PPACA, I would tend to doubt that any individual bill that, at its heart, said, “if you liked your plan you can keep it” is going to really change anything since it likely will not change the equation for the insurers such that they could that.

Sure, by LAW, the insurers could be REQUIRED to do something but that does not change the fact that if they start to bleed money because of the other provisions, requirements, and assumptions of the PPACA, they are likely to sue on ground of confiscatory policy or balk and be sued for not complying which brings them into court by another route.

Someone still has to pay for the risk changes in the risk pool and I don’t think any legislator trying to get cover against the fallout would do what is needed, assuming he or she understands what is going on, to provide a functional and stable environment for keeping existing plans.

Russ808 on October 31, 2013 at 3:31 PM