Great news from Sebelius: “The website has never crashed”

posted at 11:21 am on October 30, 2013 by Allahpundit

Via NRO, watch to the end or you’ll miss a cutaway on the split screen that made me laugh aloud. Can it really be true that a website that’s been inaccessible to most of the planet for most of the past month, which was so poorly designed that it ended up effectively DDOSing itself, has never technically “crashed”? Yup, says Sebelius, because it’s never been overloaded to the point where it’s been knocked completely offline. Direct quote: “It is functional, but at a very slow speed and very low reliability.” It’s functional, technically.

Check out what happened to the “functional” talking point 20 minutes later, though, when she was asked the billion-dollar question about enrollments and adverse selection:

What she’s really doing here, I think, is distinguishing between the front end and back end of the site. The front end is technically kinda sorta functioning because a select few have managed to eke their way through the application process. In theory, all you need to do is improve scalability and things would work better. The back end of the site, where the applicant’s information is forwarded to the insurance company for processing, is a different story because the info that’s being transmitted is often incomplete or garbled. Insurers are mystified by it, per Bob Laszewski’s interview with Ezra Klein last week; unless and until it’s fixed, it would actually be bad to repair the front end of the site lest thousands of new garbled applications start flooding into insurers’ inboxes. The worst-case scenario here isn’t that Sebelius is lying under oath by claiming she doesn’t know how many people enrolled because revealing the number would embarrass her. The worst-case scenario is that she honestly doesn’t know because insurers have received so many incoherent or duplicative applications that they can’t tell how many bona fide enrollees there are. We’re two months out from coverage taking effect and the Secretary of HHS might genuinely be in the dark about enrollments because the software she built is too cocked-up to give her an accurate sense.

Which is not to say that all of the law’s “glitches” are a direct result of the website:

Hundreds of thousands—if not millions—of people who purchase coverage independently are now receiving letters from insurers canceling policies that do not comply with new Affordable Care Act (ACA) regulations. In cancelling such plans, some insurers are telling customers they will be automatically enrolled in alternative ACA-compliant coverage unless they object.

This could be a major snag in the ACA’s plan to subsidize insurance purchased on the individual market. New tax credits, available to individuals earning less than 400 percent of the federal poverty level, or about $46,000 per year, can only be accessed through new ACA insurance marketplaces. Those who purchase coverage outside the exchanges cannot claim subsidies, even if they qualify for them, according to the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, the agency overseeing implementation of the ACA. Automatic enrollment directly through an insurer would avoid the exchanges, and the subsidies, entirely.

Customers who are being automatically enrolled in new plans are told at the time that they need to sign up through the exchanges instead if they want subsidies, but … the federal exchange, at least, still doesn’t work, even if it’s “functional” in Sebelius’s Clintonian parsing of the term. Some people who might have tried to sign up when they received the letter will inevitably forget as the website problems persist, and then the rate shock they experience next year sans subsidies will be even worse than it might have been. It’s going to get worse before it gets better.


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“It just can’t handle the volume” and then it crashes as she speaks :)

Schadenfreude on October 30, 2013 at 11:23 AM

My truck starts but the transmission won’t engage, technically it’s operating but at a very slow speed and slow reliability.

Pound sand, you camp capo.

Bishop on October 30, 2013 at 11:23 AM

All on topic – the comments at this link are hilarious too.

Yes, Putin can :)

Schadenfreude on October 30, 2013 at 11:23 AM

Well it hasn’t “crashed-crashed”.

HumpBot Salvation on October 30, 2013 at 11:24 AM

Bigot haters! It’s resting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vuW6tQ0218

katy the mean old lady on October 30, 2013 at 11:24 AM

The thuggery of Nurse Ratched

Schadenfreude on October 30, 2013 at 11:24 AM

Bmore, photoshop Sibelius into the Baghdad Bob picture.

Then do a second one with obama.

Carney is just a parrot.

Thanks ahead…yes, Friday will be fine :)

Schadenfreude on October 30, 2013 at 11:26 AM

Ed AP –
You mean the websites aren’t working perfectly on day one thirty (Happy Devil’s Night!)?

verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 10:18 AM

NotCoach on October 30, 2013 at 11:26 AM

ClusterFarkNado!!!!

I don’t know who said it first, but a funny word of the day.

ted c on October 30, 2013 at 11:26 AM

It was crashing as she was saying it never crashed

neyney on October 30, 2013 at 11:27 AM

real time Schadenfreude

ted c on October 30, 2013 at 11:27 AM

and we have never been at war with EastAsia, or Oceania, or whoever….

ted c on October 30, 2013 at 11:28 AM

ktmol, please link that hilarious “odd fruits and trees” video. It depicts this 404 Admin to perfection. Thanks ahead.

p.s. Bmore, I should have typed “please photoshop”.

Schadenfreude on October 30, 2013 at 11:28 AM

real time Schadenfreude

ted c on October 30, 2013 at 11:27 AM

Pure!!!

:):):)

Schadenfreude on October 30, 2013 at 11:29 AM

The worst-case scenario is that she honestly doesn’t know because insurers have received so many incoherent or duplicative applications that they can’t tell how many bona fide enrollees there are.

#winning!

ted c on October 30, 2013 at 11:29 AM

It’s going to get worse before it gets better.

And it’s never going to get “better”.

Hucklebuck on October 30, 2013 at 11:29 AM

so I can’t haz brainsurjery now??
*drools*

c’mon pleez miss sebelius, take care o’ me!

ted c on October 30, 2013 at 11:30 AM

“Madam Sec. did you test the site”

“No, I have a portable plan”

No kidding, this was one of the questions/answers.

Schadenfreude on October 30, 2013 at 11:30 AM

Gov’t document: Health site posed security risk

WASHINGTON (AP) — An internal government memo obtained by The Associated Press shows administration officials were concerned that a lack of testing posed a “high” security risk for President Barack Obama’s new health insurance website.

The Sept. 27 memo to Medicare chief Marylin Tavenner said a website contractor wasn’t able to test all the security controls in one complete version of the system.

Insufficient testing “exposed a level of uncertainty that can be deemed as a high risk,” the memo said.

The memo recommended setting up a security team to address risks, conduct daily tests, and a full security test within two to three months of going live.

At a congressional hearing, Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said the site’s security certification is temporary, but asserted consumers’ personal information is secure.

sentinelrules on October 30, 2013 at 11:31 AM

Schadenfreude on October 30, 2013 at 11:28 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO-GsDwYwtI
This one?

katy the mean old lady on October 30, 2013 at 11:33 AM

One more month or so and all of America will have figured out that the problem is not the implementation of the policy, it’s the policy. It doesn’t matter that the website crashes or works well. The cost is too high, the deductibles are too high. Even if you get a subsidy, you have to front the Democrats the money to run the system until you get your subsidy back, and you don’t get your deductible subsidized.

Screw the website. It’s just a cheesy distraction while the destruction of our health care system continues.

oldroy on October 30, 2013 at 11:33 AM

It depends on what the definition of “crash” is…why didn’t someone say that, just for the laughs, for “old time sakes”…

right2bright on October 30, 2013 at 11:34 AM

There was a guy at work who was functional, but at a very low speed and with very low reliability. He doesn’t work here any more. I can’t figure out why.

John Deaux on October 30, 2013 at 11:34 AM

It’s ok guys, I said it was a tax after all, just pay the Feds and you will be fine!
-Justice Roberts.

Gatsu on October 30, 2013 at 11:34 AM

Sibelius lies threw her teeth. Here’s something not even reported in the news, yet. They changed the program so the young, up to 24 years see rates for those up to 50, the older, up to 50 see rates of up to 65, and the others see the cheapest rates. This is illegal, “truth in advertising”, but when the gov’t is the law, eh…this from the hearings, while I made coffee.

The left are accusing the right of playing “chicken little” in the hearings and the right let them.

If they don’t get more aggressive the thugs will be in charge forever, alas….

NY stupid congressman “the Rs are playing chicken little. They say these hearings are to fix things when in fact they are for total failure. They are the chickens”.

Next R “Nothing”.

How about “You are the chickens. YOU play loose with the taxpayers’ money, that’s what this is all about and etc. We are the oversight and you should now waste billions of the hard labor of those who pay for your Utopian leftist pipe-dreams”.

Instead totally ignore…stupid questions to Nurse Ratched…time is up…bla, bla,….

Schadenfreude on October 30, 2013 at 11:34 AM

It’s going to get worse before it gets better.

This is the Sharknado of nanny state government, right? How can it get worse than when it is raining sharks??? ///

ted c on October 30, 2013 at 11:34 AM

You know the hackers have not even started yet, it is so messed up they are not fooling around…but wait until it is somewhat functioning, and watch what these goofballs do.

Open season!!

right2bright on October 30, 2013 at 11:35 AM

This one?

katy the mean old lady on October 30, 2013 at 11:33 AM

Yes, pls. post every time a thread on the 404 Admin. is posted. That’s what they are.

Now this :)

Schadenfreude on October 30, 2013 at 11:36 AM

We’re two months out from coverage taking effect and the Secretary of HHS might genuinely be in the dark about enrollments because the software she built is too cocked-up to give her an accurate sense.

The System.…..is working…

ted c on October 30, 2013 at 11:36 AM

The site crashes frequently. And I’m not even talking about the lame redirection to a “please wait here until dead” screen they set up. When I try to log in with my newly-created account and the dial spins for an hour, guess what, your site crashed.

The Schaef on October 30, 2013 at 11:38 AM

The Associated Press ‏@AP 7m

BREAKING: Government document obtained by the AP says health care site posed security risk: http://apne.ws/HuENsp -AB
================================================

Gov’t document: Health site posed security risk
By RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR and JACK GILLUM
— Oct. 30, 2013 11:14 AM EDT
****************************

WASHINGTON (AP) — An internal government memo obtained by The Associated Press shows administration officials were concerned that a lack of testing posed a “high” security risk for President Barack Obama’s new health insurance website.

The Sept. 27 memo to Medicare chief Marylin Tavenner said a website contractor wasn’t able to test all the security controls in one complete version of the system.

Insufficient testing “exposed a level of uncertainty that can be deemed as a high risk,” the memo said.

The memo recommended setting up a security team to address risks, conduct daily tests, and a full security test within two to three months of going live.

At a congressional hearing, Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said the site’s security certification is temporary, but asserted consumers’ personal information is secure.
====================================================

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/govt-document-health-site-posed-security-risk

canopfor on October 30, 2013 at 11:30 AM

canopfor on October 30, 2013 at 11:39 AM

The System.…..is working…

ted c on October 30, 2013 at 11:36 AM

“At this point, why does it matter…”

What pieces of the health care puzzle can ever be put back together now? The only way to destroy this is straight through the middle. Don’t delay. Let the mandate stand.

oldroy on October 30, 2013 at 11:39 AM

The rollout itself is a perfect demonstration as to why government is not capable of “solving problems” this big.

The regime’s reaction to the failed rollout is also the perfect demonstration of why government cannot ever do this sort of thing. Some liberals in the media have tepidly made the point that, hey, we’ve staked all our technocratic wizardry cred on this thing and as bad as the rollout is we need to be honest about what’s going on, that there are problems etc.

If a corporation behaved this way liberals would be out with their pitchforks and torches, government does it and it’s CYA time. Thus proving that even the supporters of big government put their ideological credibility before people, transparency, accountability and “doing what works”.

If liberals want to argue that big government is the solution to societies most vexing problems the least they could do was actually care about accountability and transparency and honesty but they’ve proven in this episode that they value none of these things from their own leaders.

gwelf on October 30, 2013 at 11:39 AM

“Whatever”…yep she said it.

d1carter on October 30, 2013 at 11:42 AM

She was under oath, right?

Ronnie on October 30, 2013 at 11:42 AM

Chicago tactics

Schadenfreude on October 30, 2013 at 11:45 AM

This admin. assumes that it is the law, no matter what that is, or will be.

Schadenfreude on October 30, 2013 at 11:46 AM

Obama administration: “Who ya gonna believe? Us or your lyin’ eyes?”

BuckeyeSam on October 30, 2013 at 11:49 AM

Absolutely none of this matters at this point. They’ve bright the destruction to the insurance and health care industries that they wanted. Regardless of implementation, you just can’t roll any of this back. Insurance companies, Doctors and Hospitals can’t sit on the side and not make decisions like Obama and Sebelius can.

oldroy on October 30, 2013 at 11:49 AM

Bmore, photoshop Sibelius into the Baghdad Bob picture.

Then do a second one with obama.

Carney is just a parrot.

Thanks ahead…yes, Friday will be fine :)

Schadenfreude on October 30, 2013 at 11:26 AM

Don’t forget The Wrath of Khan.

slickwillie2001 on October 30, 2013 at 11:51 AM

Is anybody watching her testimony? I myself am busy watching some paint dry but the Powerline guys aren’t too impressed with the Republicans’ wimpy-sounding involvement.

Live-blogging Kathleen Sebelius’ testimony

Drained Brain on October 30, 2013 at 11:51 AM

but the Powerline guys aren’t too impressed with the Republicans’ wimpy-sounding involvement.

Drained Brain on October 30, 2013 at 11:51 AM

Most are chicken littles. Only watched a few min. It’s impossible to suffer through it.

Schadenfreude on October 30, 2013 at 11:55 AM

someday we’ll look back and all have a good laugh

tlynch001 on October 30, 2013 at 11:56 AM

It would be a lot easier on this administration IF THEY TOLD THE TRUTH FOR ONCE!

GarandFan on October 30, 2013 at 11:56 AM

Was watching Atlas Shrugged Part II on netflix last night.
As the train entered the tunnel all I could think of was ObamaCare. Was nice to have a visual to connect to this monstrosity.

questionmark on October 30, 2013 at 11:57 AM

Note how many troll support this 404 Administration!!!

Schadenfreude on October 30, 2013 at 11:59 AM

trolls…bayam :)

Schadenfreude on October 30, 2013 at 11:59 AM

As of right now.

The system is down at the moment.
We are experiencing technical difficulties and hope to have them resolved soon. Please try again later.

The system has to run before it can crash.

jpcpt03 on October 30, 2013 at 12:00 PM

It would be a lot easier on this administration IF THEY TOLD THE TRUTH FOR ONCE!

GarandFan on October 30, 2013 at 11:56 AM

You know that old expression,

“They wouldn’t know the truth if it bit ‘em on the a$$!”

It’s being played out before our eyes.

questionmark on October 30, 2013 at 12:00 PM

I don’t know who said it first, but a funny word of the day.

ted c on October 30, 2013 at 11:26 AM

It’s EpicClusterFarkNado ™ and that would be yours truly.

Sibelius is just another liar.

dogsoldier on October 30, 2013 at 12:01 PM

Most are chicken littles. Only watched a few min. It’s impossible to suffer through it.

Schadenfreude on October 30, 2013 at 11:55 AM

That’s what I was afraid of – idiots grandstanding rather than asking pointed questions. And to think most of those clowns are lawyers who should know something about interrogations.

Gowdy and Cruz, just for two examples, could give them a seminar. And so could Graham, to give him his due.

Drained Brain on October 30, 2013 at 12:03 PM

The system is down at the moment.
We are experiencing technical difficulties and hope to have them resolved soon. Please try again later.

Does this refer to the website or the committee that is holding this farce of a hearing? Or to our political system that elected these clowns?

kcewa on October 30, 2013 at 12:04 PM

Makes Barry look like the smartest man in the shiny turd factory. Oh yeah. She’s a keeper.

onomo on October 30, 2013 at 12:04 PM

The Hindenburg never crashed; its hydrogen was merely liberated.

Mr. Bingley on October 30, 2013 at 12:07 PM

Obama: If you like your health insurance plan, you can keep it.

Sebelius (2010): Unless it changes between now and 2013, then it’s illegal.

Insurance Company (2013): Your plan is cancelled because it’s illegal under ACA.

Customers: We lost our health insurance and we can’t replace it on Healthcare.gov.

Sebelius (2013): I really got those greedy, rotten insurance companies! Ain’t I awesome?

Steve Z on October 30, 2013 at 12:08 PM

Sebelius: It depends on what your definition of “crashed” is. I never had sex with that website.

Steve Z on October 30, 2013 at 12:10 PM

Most are chicken littles. Only watched a few min. It’s impossible to suffer through it.

Schadenfreude on October 30, 2013 at 11:55 AM

Rush just opened his show by asking rhetorically if there were any Republicans at the hearing.

Oh boy…

Drained Brain on October 30, 2013 at 12:10 PM

The meaning of is is is is is.

How can the site crash if it doesn’t work? /s

TerryW on October 30, 2013 at 12:11 PM

Rush just opened his show by asking rhetorically if there were any Republicans at the hearing.

Oh boy…

Drained Brain on October 30, 2013 at 12:10 PM

Here’s just from what I saw:

Sibelius lies threw her teeth. Here’s something not even reported in the news, yet. They changed the program so the young, up to 24 years see rates for those up to 50, the older, up to 50 see rates of up to 65, and the others see the cheapest rates. This is illegal, “truth in advertising”, but when the gov’t is the law, eh…this from the hearings, while I made coffee.

The left are accusing the right of playing “chicken little” in the hearings and the right let them.

If they don’t get more aggressive the thugs will be in charge forever, alas….

NY stupid congressman “the Rs are playing chicken little. They say these hearings are to fix things when in fact they are for total failure. They are the chickens”.

Next R “Nothing”.

How about “You are the chickens. YOU play loose with the taxpayers’ money, that’s what this is all about and etc. We are the oversight and you should now waste billions of the hard labor of those who pay for your Utopian leftist pipe-dreams”.

Instead totally ignore…stupid questions to Nurse Ratched…time is up…bla, bla,….

Schadenfreude on October 30, 2013 at 12:21 PM

It kills me…the govt. can secretly build a massive databank capable of gathering and storing millions and millions of email and phone call data on 300,000,000 Americans, but can’t publicly get the ACA website barely off the ground without massive problems.

JetBoy on October 30, 2013 at 12:22 PM

How about “You are the chickens. YOU play loose with the taxpayers’ money, that’s what this is all about and etc. We are the oversight and you should now waste billions of the hard labor of those who pay for your Utopian leftist pipe-dreams”.

Instead totally ignore…stupid questions to Nurse Ratched…time is up…bla, bla,….

Schadenfreude on October 30, 2013 at 12:21 PM

I’d throw the left wing’s 60s bumper sticker back at them: Chicken Little Was Right.

Rush is saying the left continues to be organized and the Republicans seem still afraid to attack Obama.

If they can’t use this to their advantage it reinforces how pathetic they are.

Drained Brain on October 30, 2013 at 12:27 PM

Hearing was nothing more than “A Diary of Our Constituents”…our side will win that one easily…the lowtard voter has to experience the consequence before they squeal–they have no interest in the hearing..

hillsoftx on October 30, 2013 at 12:32 PM

The system is down at the moment.
We are experiencing technical difficulties and hope to have them resolved soon. Please try again later.

There is much that we can except from our government after all they are only human and even at the best of times will make mistakes.

The one thing that we can not, should not and will never except is the constant barrage of “LIES” and total lack of any accountability for their actions.

If you Stepin and Fetchit for their rhetoric then you are no better then those who set themselves above us as our betters, the ruling class.

Fight this endless supply of lies or for ever here after live the life of total servitude.

jpcpt03 on October 30, 2013 at 12:35 PM

Republicans need to get their shit together.

Even if HealthCare.gov was operating at 100% – that is not the real issue.

We don’t want the government running this. Period.

ObamaCare needs to be killed. Not nursed back to health.
It is like a Marxist vampire. It will suck the life out of you.

If you were poor and could not afford health insurance. You still can’t afford it.

Now people with means cannot afford health insurance.

Single payer will mean that everyone might have “health insurance”, but millions will be left out of getting “healthcare”.

Then only the rich will be able to afford “healthcare”.

redguy on October 30, 2013 at 12:36 PM

It kills me…the govt. can secretly build a massive databank capable of gathering and storing millions and millions of email and phone call data on 300,000,000 Americans, but can’t publicly get the ACA website barely off the ground without massive problems.

JetBoy on October 30, 2013 at 12:22 PM

Yeah, maybe the NSA should be running ObamaCare. heh, heh – calling Edward Snowden…..

redguy on October 30, 2013 at 12:37 PM

I suppose until someone gets a web browser time-out the front-end hasn’t “crashed”.

I had a four-cylinder car when I was growing up. One day, I went over a railroad track, and couldn’t drive up the hill. Found that two spark plug wires hade come loose. The engine was still running (smoothly too). While the engine hadn’t “crashed”, it wasn’t running correctly.

So while the front-end hasn’t “crashed”, it’s definitely not running correctly.

sadatoni on October 30, 2013 at 2:02 PM

It’s going to get worse before it gets better.

Don’t be surprised if this is the best its gonna get.

Athos on October 30, 2013 at 2:25 PM

Bigot haters! It’s resting.

katy the mean old lady on October 30, 2013 at 11:24 AM

Is it pining for the fiords?

Would it voom if you put four million volts through it?

Random Numbers (Brian Epps) on October 30, 2013 at 2:56 PM

It’s going to get worse before it gets better.

sic

Arnold Yabenson on October 30, 2013 at 2:58 PM

I didn’t drop it. It fell on the floor when I let go of it.

CurtZHP on October 30, 2013 at 4:12 PM

An old Air Force saying goes:
Once you release the ordnance … it’s going to hit SOMETHING.

Missilengr on October 30, 2013 at 7:29 PM