Video: Iowa navigators not aware they are?

posted at 4:41 pm on October 29, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

By now, the story from Iowan Terry Jones is tragically familiar.  The 58-year-old diabetic had his existing plan cancelled, and now he can’t find a plan that will cover him at anywhere near the prices and deductibles he previously had.  However, the coverage from WHO-TV in Iowa adds another twist to the incompetence of HHS and the management of the ACA.  When Jones and WHO tried calling the support organizations listed for Iowans to help “navigate” the system, the organizations found out for the first time that they’re listed on the exchange websites (via The Corner):

The healthcare.gov website lists almost 40 Des Moines organizations that can help.  We called ten at random. None could help, and most didn’t realize they were listed on the government’s website.

How did these organizations get added to the website in the first place?  Did someone at HHS just flip through the Yellow Pages and add them to a list? How many more navigators and support organizations in other states are getting phone calls and just discovering that they became agents of the Obama administration?

As for the economics of this piece, let’s note up front that Jones will likely get significant federal subsidies to cover these prices:

Jones takes home $1,600 a month.  Between him and his wife, without insurance, medicine will cost him $1,400 a month.

Subsidies, though, don’t lower costs — they just screen prices from the consumer.  The costs of coverage are skyrocketing, thanks to the mandates imposed by ObamaCare, and everyone will pay for them.  They’ll either pay directly in higher premiums, or they will pay for them in higher costs through the direct and indirect taxes that fund the subsidies.  The huge upward spike in retail premiums tells the true story of cost curves under the ACA, which is why Jones is correct in calling this “a case of bait-and-switch.”

Update: It’s Terry Jones from Fort Dodge, not Terry Dodge from … er, Fort Dodge.  My apologies.

Update: David Steinberg has a lot more on, er, dodgy navigators at PJ Media.

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The healthcare.gov website lists almost 40 Des Moines organizations that can help. We called ten at random. None could help, and most didn’t realize they were listed on the government’s website.

This is a bureaucratic and Five Year Plan success for Bolsheviks.

OhEssYouCowboys on October 29, 2013 at 4:44 PM

It’s getting downright criminal…

OmahaConservative on October 29, 2013 at 4:45 PM

Throw them all out.

Schadenfreude on October 29, 2013 at 4:45 PM

Loopy

Schadenfreude on October 29, 2013 at 4:46 PM

The healthcare.gov website lists almost 40 Des Moines organizations that can help. We called ten at random. None could help, and most didn’t realize they were listed on the government’s website.

That’s troubling enough. Check this out from PJ Media for an even more disturbing story:

DRAINING THE SWAMP: Top 40 Troubling Listings from the Obamacare Navigator/Assister Security Nightmare

GrannyDee on October 29, 2013 at 4:46 PM

404 obamaAdministration

Schadenfreude on October 29, 2013 at 4:46 PM

In the military, this is called “gun decking”, and depending on what you “gun deck”, you can end up in prison.

Gun decking: Making shit up on an official log or form.

BobMbx on October 29, 2013 at 4:47 PM

If you add up all of the facts and the truth, prove the hardships this will cause for many “still barely middle class” families and even had the Kneepad Media openly state implenetation is guaranteed to permanently damage the American economy …

… 40% of the population and a majority of Democratic lawmakers would STILL oppose stopping this Jonestown Suicide pact known as Obamacare.

While the RINO’s, GOPe and GOPE-media would call for a “light touch” in opposing it.

PolAgnostic on October 29, 2013 at 4:48 PM

Wait, WAIT, WAIT!… Are you saying if I like my policy I can’t keep it?!

onomo on October 29, 2013 at 4:49 PM

The healthcare.gov website lists almost 40 Des Moines organizations that can help. We called ten at random. None could help, and most didn’t realize they were listed on the government’s website.

I’d hate to ask for the sake of my blood pressure, but are these places that don’t realize they are on the list being paid as Obamacare navigators?

weaselyone on October 29, 2013 at 4:50 PM

The most incompetent President and administration ever… No one can even come close…

mnjg on October 29, 2013 at 4:50 PM

But, but… it was all sooo… shiny!

onomo on October 29, 2013 at 4:51 PM

Obama lied.
His approval rating is 44%.
Why?

albill on October 29, 2013 at 4:52 PM

Ed,
Terry Jones is from Fort Dodge. His name is not Terry Dodge. Fort Dodge is home of the Fort Dodge Dodgers and Randy Weaver.

matthew26 on October 29, 2013 at 4:53 PM

Bu’, bu’, bu’…..creases in pants and stuff….?

JoeinTX on October 29, 2013 at 4:55 PM

This news narrative (O’Care’s debacle) appears to have enough legs to last an election cycle or two.

mjbrooks3 on October 29, 2013 at 4:57 PM

Meanwhile, the “navigators” are hauling in up to $48/hr. for exceedingly noticeable incompetence.

Gotta love gubmint hires, eh?

Half of the cheese-nosed bastages probably are leftovers from ACORN, I suspect.

hillbillyjim on October 29, 2013 at 5:00 PM

Did anyone bother to crosscheck these organizations against the known ACORN organizations operating in Des Moines?

OccamsRazor on October 29, 2013 at 5:01 PM

In addition to price tag to cover new mandates, some of the reasons premiums are going up is the tax of the revenue – not profits – of medical device manufacturers and taxes on insurance companies. These taxes are passed on to their policyholders increasing their costs.

Laurence on October 29, 2013 at 5:01 PM

I’m from the gubmint, and I’m here to help!!!

Congratulations! Your life is officially ruined.

hillbillyjim on October 29, 2013 at 5:02 PM

Meanwhile, the “navigators” are hauling in up to $48/hr. for exceedingly noticeable incompetence.

Gotta love gubmint hires, eh?

Half of the cheese-nosed bastages probably are leftovers from ACORN, I suspect.

hillbillyjim on October 29, 2013 at 5:00 PM

Did anyone bother to crosscheck these organizations against the known ACORN organizations operating in Des Moines?

OccamsRazor on October 29, 2013 at 5:01 PM

Spooky, or downright brilliant!

hillbillyjim on October 29, 2013 at 5:04 PM

I wonder how much grant money the “Navigators” received..?

d1carter on October 29, 2013 at 5:04 PM

George Lucas is an Iowa navigator?!

Skywise on October 29, 2013 at 5:06 PM

I can’t see any way out of this fiasco. This rat-eared idiot has put the economy in a kill box.

Hey, B.O. I DARE you to hold to a public rally in the heartland of America NOW. I’m sure there are people in the audience with rotten eggs and tomatoes at the ready. How would that be for a PR image?

kurtzz3 on October 29, 2013 at 5:07 PM

George Lucas is an Iowa navigator?!

Skywise on October 29, 2013 at 5:06 PM

LOL.

George Lucas drives a Lincoln Navigator.

portlandon on October 29, 2013 at 5:10 PM

The Republicans are getting a nice fat one teed up foe them to knock it out the park in 2014. Sadly they will probably screw it up.

The Notorious G.O.P on October 29, 2013 at 5:11 PM

Colorado Announces Obamacare Enrollment Numbers: 3,164 – Obama Administration Goal For Colorado: 92,000…

Resist We Much on October 29, 2013 at 5:07 PM

Allow me to write Jarrets’ tweet for that:

#obamacare Of the millions of stones in pyramids, one day there was only 3164; still there.

BobMbx on October 29, 2013 at 5:11 PM

Colorado Announces Obamacare Enrollment Numbers: 3,164 – Obama Administration Goal For Colorado: 92,000…

Resist We Much on October 29, 2013 at 5:07 PM

RWM, I bet that liberal rag wont break down how many of these were deferred to Medicaid, how many were older population and how many of these have pre-existing conditions–also known as the Jenga factor!

hillsoftx on October 29, 2013 at 5:18 PM

This small church got over Navigator grant over $300,000…? yes, a church

d1carter on October 29, 2013 at 5:09 PM

There are black and mexican “churches ” in CA that get 100s of 1000s of taxpayer dollars, every 2-3 years for registering voters , and they register basically the same people in the same
” communities” over and over again. These ” churches ” get 100s of 1000s of taxpayer dollars every year to just give away
( no questions asked) to their local gang bangers , vandals, child molesters and illegals in the name of ” safe communities” .
If these ” churches” are investigated, American citizens will be surprised to find out how taxpayers are subsidizing crime, rape, sex-trade, gangs ,
drug-trade and violence.

burrata on October 29, 2013 at 5:28 PM

Clearly one problem here is that he is a man. Why would ANYONE think he shouldn’t pay for insurance in case he gets pregnant? I mean, come on! Have a brain, people! And the maternity insurance he is now REQUIRED to have clearly will add to the cost. Why is this so hard to understand for everyone?

/ (I think)

UnderstandingisPower on October 29, 2013 at 5:30 PM

Surprise Navigator: Don’t ask me to navigate you through Obamacare. I’m lost too!

Steve Z on October 29, 2013 at 5:39 PM

Why is there a photo of Jazz Shaw attached to this article on the front page? :)

simkeith on October 29, 2013 at 5:40 PM

This small church got over Navigator grant over $300,000…? yes, a church

d1carter on October 29, 2013 at 5:09 PM

Maybe it was for their chapter of the Knights of Columbus, whose parish leaders are called Faithful Navigators.

Steve Z on October 29, 2013 at 5:41 PM

The Presidents signature clusterf@ck

Republican Yogi on October 29, 2013 at 5:45 PM

If you like your plan……….YOU’RE SCREWED!

GarandFan on October 29, 2013 at 6:10 PM

This small church got over Navigator grant over $300,000…? yes, a church

d1carter on October 29, 2013 at 5:09 PM

One would think that the ACLU would be all over this like white on rice. One would be wrong. It seems that the ACLU is rather “selective” in it’s choices for civil liberty causes. Imagine that.

hillbillyjim on October 29, 2013 at 6:19 PM

I’ve got a sneaking suspicion that this “navigator” horseshit is a thinly disguised jobs program for ACORN flunkies and their ilk, and that they’ll navigate in a most extraordinary fashion.

hillbillyjim on October 29, 2013 at 6:21 PM

These Navigators are just another form of reparations.

It’s ACORN or it’s Pigford without the DOJ involvement.

BuckeyeSam on October 29, 2013 at 6:24 PM

OT: Shannon Bream of Fox News is absolutely yummy.

BuckeyeSam on October 29, 2013 at 6:26 PM

CHAOS

With Obamacare, this isn’t a bug, it is a feature.

Gunlock Bill on October 29, 2013 at 6:30 PM

One would think that the ACLU would be all over this like white on rice. One would be wrong. It seems that the ACLU is rather “selective” in it’s choices for civil liberty causes. Imagine that.

hillbillyjim on October 29, 2013 at 6:19 PM

A nti
C hristian
L esbians
U nhinged

burrata on October 29, 2013 at 6:31 PM

Hah. Special Report just reported that Sen. Sessions sent HHS a letter a few months ago about some contract awarded to a Chicago community group for some prison nonsense that essentially duplicated what Navigators are doing.

Rather than own up to their bullshite, HHS just quietly canceled the no-bid contract. Sessions is awesome.

BuckeyeSam on October 29, 2013 at 6:35 PM

Obama lied.
His approval rating is 44%.
Why?

albill on October 29, 2013 at 4:52 PM

It’s because Libs are a special bread. Most of them can’t tell they’ve been screwed until much later. It’s why so many of them support abortion. The belly bump forces them to face reality. And because they’re Libs, they can’t take responsibility, so…

climbnjump on October 29, 2013 at 8:37 PM

It’s because Libs are a special breed.

And I’m a special speller…

climbnjump on October 29, 2013 at 8:39 PM

If the Reagan wing of the GOP can regain control of the party after the all-out frontal assault from the Karl Rove/Cocktail Party wing, and a conservative can be elected president in 2016, everyone connected with this debacle needs to be charged criminally. None of the nice-guy approach that Bush used in ignoring all the blatant criminality of the Clinton regime.

Orange jumpsuits for all, especially Valerie Jarrett.

pdigaudio on October 30, 2013 at 11:49 AM

Let me ask a question. The healthcare law will allow those individuals who didn’t have healthcare to finally enroll. It will give subsidies to those make under a certain amount of money. If I was a person who is unemployed and never had insurance before, I can choose any plan under ObamaCare. So, I pick the Gold Plan, low deductible and high premium. The subsidies will help cover my premium costs and my deductibles will be the lowest available.
Why should a person like this (person in the video) have to buy a Bronze plan (the only one he can afford) with a high deductible while someone else gets a better plan? Is this the way it works? Or am I just flat out wrong?

djaymick on October 30, 2013 at 4:05 PM