Steny Hoyer admits: We knew that not everyone would be able to keep their plan; Update: 13 more liars

posted at 1:21 pm on October 29, 2013 by Allahpundit

This is the same guy, remember, who wants to throw more money at the ObamaCare website even though he says he’s not sure that would actually help.

I wonder what his “solution” to the insurance industry’s developing adverse-selection problem will be.

“We knew that there would be some policies that would not qualify and therefore people would be required to get more extensive coverage,” Hoyer said in response to a question from National Review.

Asked by another reporter how repeated statements by Obama to the contrary weren’t “misleading,” Hoyer said “I don’t think the message was wrong. I think the message was accurate. It was not precise enough…[it] should have been caveated with – ‘assuming you have a policy that in fact does do what the bill is designed to do.’”

Hoyer noted that people losing access to their current plans are mostly in the individual market, which is a small segment of the overall market.

No, it’s not that Obama wasn’t “precise enough.” Go watch this clip, which I linked yesterday. He lied outright, unequivocally, for years — including during the first debate with Romney last October. Hoyer himself repeated the same lie, without qualification, back in 2009. Here’s the question, though: Did Hoyer know just how many policies wouldn’t qualify under ObamaCare? The takeaway from yesterday’s NBC scoop isn’t that they knew all along that “if you like your plan, you can keep your plan” was a scam. That was baked in the cake from the beginning; some people would have to lose their plans so that they could be forced onto the exchanges, where they’d pay more for coverage in the name of subsidizing the sick and poor. The takeaway is that HHS wrote the regulations to make that problem worse than it otherwise might have been, by stipulating that any material change made by an insurance company to one of its plans rendered that plan non-grandfathered under the law and therefore illegal. They maximized the hit on the middle class. Did Hoyer know they were going to do that? Does he care that they did? He’d better figure it out, because the more of an uproar there is over people getting dropped, the more Ron Johnson’s new bill will start to look good to red-state Democrats in the Senate. Passing it might make the adverse-selection problem worse, not better, but desperate incumbents like Pryor and Begich might not care. At the very least, the pressure on them to relax some of HHS’s regs disqualifying formerly grandfathered plans will only grow more intense.

Now that the country knows “if you like your plan” is a bald-faced lie repeated ad nauseam by Democrats for years, it’s time to shift the goalposts. Shift one: Yes, it’s true that some people will lose their plan and pay more next year, but they’re getting more comprehensive coverage in return and that kinda sorta justifies taking away their choice. By the same logic, I guess, it’d be okay to force people to sell their cars and buy new ones with better safety features because, after all, they’re getting a benefit from the extra expense, even if they can’t comfortably afford it. The difference between ObamaCare and the car example, though, is that the car-buyer really would be the intended beneficiary of that program. Not so with O-Care. The point of forcing healthy middle-class people into more expensive plans isn’t that they’ll avail themselves of the extra coverage but that they likely won’t, which leaves lots of extra cash for the insurance company to apply towards covering the preexisting conditions of others. Since it’s done in the name of virtue, though, it’s supposedly okay. At the very least, I’d like to think that the car hypothetical would be sold to the public honestly, not with some “if you like your sh*tbox, you can keep it” lie.

Shift two: Some lefties want to treat “if you like your plan” as water under the bridge, a talking point that might not have been technically true in all cases but which there’s no sense dwelling on now. We’re all in the quicksand together at this point; we can stand here and point fingers about who lied or we can try to pull ourselves out. Jonah Goldberg responds:

Indeed, what is so infuriating to many of us is that is that now that it’s the law of the land, Obamacare supporters act as if all of the lies were no big deal and no serious person believed them anyway. But as anyone can tell you, if Obama had been honest about the trade-offs in his signature piece of legislation, it would never have become his signature piece of legislation. So please, don’t tell me the lies don’t matter…

I fail to see why Republicans should simply accept that the law is here to stay and get into wonky discussions about how to improve it at the margins at the exact moment the wheels are coming off the bus. The president and the Democrats lied us into a bad law. The right opposed the law on principle. A single party — the Democrats — own this law in a way that no party has had complete ownership of any major social legislation in a century. They bought this legislation with deceit and the GOP said so. Now that it is going into effect, the facts on the ground are confirming that deceit. Moreover, the same haughty condescending bureaucrats and politicians who told us they were smart enough and tech-savvy enough to do just about anything are being exposed as incompetent political hacks. And this is the moment when Sargent thinks the GOP should simply throw in the towel and work with the Democrats to make Obamacare bipartisan?

It’s been said before that one of the big novelties of ObamaCare is that momentous, paradigm-shifting legislation typically doesn’t pass along strict party lines. Sometimes a robust bipartisan consensus forms in Congress, sometimes a less robust one does, but both parties to a greater or lesser degree buy in and go forward together in trying to make the law work. That didn’t happen this time. Democrats made a cold calculation: They had the numbers in Congress to do this and they were going to do it, even if that meant lying repeatedly to the public about the cost and consequences, even if it meant forfeiting a majority in the House for the next decade. This is what they wanted and now they’ve got it, and they can’t stand it. Enjoy.

Update: A useful little BuzzFeed-esque featurette from the NRSC.


Related Posts:

Breaking on Hot Air

Blowback

Note from Hot Air management: This section is for comments from Hot Air's community of registered readers. Please don't assume that Hot Air management agrees with or otherwise endorses any particular comment just because we let it stand. A reminder: Anyone who fails to comply with our terms of use may lose their posting privilege.

Trackbacks/Pings

Trackback URL

Comments

Comment pages: 1 2

Yeah, we know we were lied to…

OmahaConservative on October 29, 2013 at 1:24 PM

Ironic that high-deductible, catastrophic plans are precisely what young people should be buying in the first place. They are inexpensive because they provide coverage for unlikely, but expensive, events. Routine care is best paid for out-of-pocket by value conscious consumers.

But kids are too dumb to know that ….huh….Steny

roflmmfao

donabernathy on October 29, 2013 at 1:24 PM

So what does this “we knew” crap really mean? It means the left thinks they’ve already won and nothing will stop them now.

bgibbs1000 on October 29, 2013 at 1:27 PM

“We knew that there would be some policies that would not qualify and therefore people would be required to get more extensive coverage,” Hoyer said in response to a question from National Review.

So I guess that 3million is equal to “some” to this liberal idiot.

cajunpatriot on October 29, 2013 at 1:28 PM

Why are so few calling obama a Liar?

Even the R weasels in DC call him a “fabricator”.

He is a Liar Extraordinaire. Period.

“You lie” was the truest thing ever said about the charlatan.

Schadenfreude on October 29, 2013 at 1:28 PM

‘Actually, ANY insurance that you currently have would be grandfathered in so you could keep it. So you could decide not to get in the exchange the better plan. I could keep my Acme Insurance, just a high deductible catastrophic plan. I would not be required to get the better one.’

- President Barack Obama, 25 February 2010

Democrats lied.

Plans died.

Resist We Much on October 29, 2013 at 1:29 PM

Brit Hume is one of the azzholes who makes excuses, to this day, about obama’s lies.

Schadenfreude on October 29, 2013 at 1:29 PM

Democrats lied.

Plans died.

Resist We Much on October 29, 2013 at 1:29 PM

Soon it will be

Patients died

…exactly as he wants it. He lies about that too.

Schadenfreude on October 29, 2013 at 1:30 PM

So. They do what they have to do to move foward. Lying is all they got. To tell the truth would mean relinquishing power. Power and control trump everything with the dems and the Left.

hawkeye54 on October 29, 2013 at 1:30 PM

Keep voting democrat!

Murphy9 on October 29, 2013 at 1:30 PM

This is how copper wire was invented….two “progressives” fighting over someone else’s penny.

Bevan on October 29, 2013 at 1:30 PM

Well at least the oceans are still receding.

Flange on October 29, 2013 at 1:30 PM

obama is the Liar in Chief.

H/t HA’s ITGuy

Schadenfreude on October 29, 2013 at 1:31 PM

Meanwhile the Ds will claim that the Rs starve people.

Schadenfreude on October 29, 2013 at 1:32 PM

I have mentioned this in a few threads but no one seems to be picking up on it…yet.

There is a bailout built right into Obamacare for insurers at least for the first three years.

Yup, not only will you be paying higher premiums for unnecessary mandates & services and likely crappier delivery, you will also be paying for a possible and likely bailout of the health insurers in the form of higher taxes.

http://www.conservativeintel.com/2013/10/25/now-we-find-out-whats-in-it-obamacares-taxpayer-bailout-for-health-insurers/

can_con on October 29, 2013 at 1:32 PM

Shift one: Yes, it’s true that some people will lose their plan and pay more next year, but they’re getting more comprehensive coverage in return and that kinda sorta justifies taking away their choice.

They generally are using the term “better coverage” instead of more comprehensive coverage. But even that’s a lie. How is forcing a 58-year-old widower for pediatric services more comprehensive than what he had before? That’s just forcing him to buy “stuff” he doesn’t need.

Happy Nomad on October 29, 2013 at 1:34 PM

“Awww, come on Americans! YOU have to eat the turdburger we cooked up for you, but we will exempt ourselves and our staff members… cuz.. ya know – we’re better than you, and we don’t belong in those stinky exchanges… no how, no way.

Would you like some Heinz sauce with your turdburger”?

/

Key West Reader on October 29, 2013 at 1:35 PM

Own it!!!!!!

cmsinaz on October 29, 2013 at 1:35 PM

And this ladies and gentlemen, is why I wasn’t hyperventilating during the shut-down, when some analysts were predicting the end of the Republican party. While that mess certainly wasn’t handled the way I would’ve liked, anyone with a modicum of wit saw Obamacare turning into a huge mess a mile away.

The idea that this wasn’t going to come back and bite the Democrats in the hindquarters, and that Democrats would get a years worth of mileage out of the shutdown, was laughable.

There’s an old saying I think a lot of people forget. All politics are local, and frankly you don’t get much more local than a persons wallet.

WolvenOne on October 29, 2013 at 1:36 PM

Hoyer noted that people losing access to their current plans are mostly in the individual market

KEY WORDS

individual market

Everything Barry does is about curtailing and stopping the individual.

It truly is amazing to see how much disdain this guy holds for individuals.

Normal people shake that shite in colllege. This guy never grew out of his formative Regan-hating years.

Dude’s living in a bubble.

We really do need to make this guy’s remaining three years frozen in time. Let people wake up and realize they just lived a lost decade under this ass-clown.

budfox on October 29, 2013 at 1:36 PM

Lies by the dems. Meh
Lies by the gop outrageously outraged

Typical

cmsinaz on October 29, 2013 at 1:37 PM

Some folks owe Rep. Joe Wilson a huge apology.

kingsjester on October 29, 2013 at 1:37 PM

Shift two: Some lefties want to treat “if you like your plan” as water under the bridge, a talking point that might not have been technically true in all cases but which there’s no sense dwelling on now. We’re all in the quicksand together at this point; we can stand here and point fingers about who lied or we can try to pull ourselves out.

We all are not in the quicksand together at this point. Hoyer, Boehner, and the rest of Congress AND A GOOD DEAL OF THEIR STAFFS have exempted themselves from the law. We’re in the quicksand while Congress is on the edge cheerleading as we sink but providing no assistance whatsoever.

Happy Nomad on October 29, 2013 at 1:38 PM

Keep voting democrat!

Murphy9 on October 29, 2013 at 1:30 PM

Alas, even with what we now know and continues to be publicly aired, at least a quarter of the electorate will continue to do just that.

hawkeye54 on October 29, 2013 at 1:38 PM

Gop is revising history
-msdnc talking heads

cmsinaz on October 29, 2013 at 1:39 PM

They generally are using the term “better coverage” instead of more comprehensive coverage. But even that’s a lie. How is forcing a 58-year-old widower for pediatric services more comprehensive than what he had before? That’s just forcing him to buy “stuff” he doesn’t need.

Happy Nomad on October 29, 2013 at 1:34 PM

Well you can rest easy knowing that Sandra Fluke has her free birth control. Right?

Key West Reader on October 29, 2013 at 1:40 PM

It’s been said before that one of the big novelties of ObamaCare is that momentous, paradigm-shifting legislation typically doesn’t pass along strict party lines. Sometimes a robust bipartisan consensus forms in Congress, sometimes a less robust one does, but both parties to a greater or lesser degree buy in and go forward together in trying to make the law work. That didn’t happen this time. Democrats made a cold calculation: They had the numbers in Congress to do this and they were going to do it, even if that meant lying repeatedly to the public about the cost and consequences, even if it meant forfeiting a majority in the House for the next decade. This is what they wanted and now they’ve got it, and they can’t stand it. Enjoy.

That’s what’s so unique politically about this debacle. There is literally no way for the Dems to blame anyone else for this. Oh sure, they’re trying to pin it on GOP governors who refused to set up state exchanges or the insurers who are dumping these plans(as if Obamacare regulations have nothing to do with it) or even the Americans who are losing their plans for having the gall to not want the super duper comprehensive government-mandated insurance that offers maternity coverage for dudes. But something tells me that’s not gonna fly. And just wait til the employer mandate finally goes into effect(assuming Obama doesn’t try to delay it forever). Then the sh-t really hits the fan.

Doughboy on October 29, 2013 at 1:40 PM

man it sure seems to be troll free lately doesn’t it?

DanMan on October 29, 2013 at 1:41 PM

On Saturday, August 8, 2009, during his Weekly Address, “The Smartest Guy in the Room” said,

…So, let me explain what reform will mean for you. And let me start by dispelling the outlandish rumors that reform will promote euthanasia, cut Medicaid, or bring about a government takeover of health care. That’s simply not true. This isn’t about putting government in charge of your health insurance; it’s about putting you in charge of your health insurance. Under the reforms we seek, if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan.

He’s only lying when his lips are moving.

kingsjester on October 29, 2013 at 1:42 PM

The racist Tea Party forced this to happen.

faraway on October 29, 2013 at 1:42 PM

The 404 Presidency.

President 404.

Logus on October 29, 2013 at 1:43 PM

How is forcing a 58-year-old widower for pediatric services more comprehensive than what he had before? That’s just forcing him to buy “stuff” he doesn’t need.

What it is forcing him to buy is “stuff” other people need. And c’mon, now, at 58 and single, admit it, you can well afford to pay for others less able to buy “stuff” like birth control, maternity care, substance abuse treatment, and gender reassignment surgery, for themselves. Its only fair and just, docha know. Don’t be stingy.

/SNARK

hawkeye54 on October 29, 2013 at 1:43 PM

So I guess that 3 million is equal to “some” to this liberal idiot.

cajunpatriot on October 29, 2013 at 1:28 PM

One Georgetown law student having to pay for her own birth control is a national outrage. Three million Americans kicked off of their health insurance is a statistic.

JimLennon on October 29, 2013 at 1:43 PM

DanMan on October 29, 2013 at 1:41 PM

The perfesser was on a thread overnight and Brutus stopped by to complain about his rates rising. However, verby and the rest are nowhere to be seen.

kingsjester on October 29, 2013 at 1:44 PM

and yet….the gop leadership cannot find the cajones to DEFUND OBAMACARE?

Storm their facebook pages, twitter accounts, call their local offices and let them know there is NO REASON WHY WE CAN’T DEFUND this disaster.

#DEFUNDITORDIEgop

PappyD61 on October 29, 2013 at 1:44 PM

Hoyer noted that people losing access to their current plans are mostly in the individual market, which is a small segment of the overall market.

Oh that is rich. The individual market is to Obamacare what WMDs were to the Iraq War–the heart and soul of the justification! The whole problem with healthcare, they said, was that people without employer-provided group plans either couldn’t or wouldn’t buy insurance, and therefore became “free riders” in hospital emergency rooms and/or went bankrupt when they got sick. Without the individual market, all of their justifications for Obamacare–flimsy and perfidious as they are–are rendered moot!

Fabozz on October 29, 2013 at 1:44 PM

I wonder how many people LOST their insurance when Obama added the DEMAND of FREE contraceptives to every health insurance plan in the country?

Sandra Fluke is the poster child of this perversion for those people!

Freddy on October 29, 2013 at 1:45 PM

Tilt, tilt, tilt, game over.

DDay on October 29, 2013 at 1:45 PM

and yet….the gop leadership cannot find the cajones to DEFUND OBAMACARE?

Storm their facebook pages, twitter accounts, call their local offices and let them know there is NO REASON WHY WE CAN’T DEFUND this disaster.

#DEFUNDITORDIEgop

PappyD61 on October 29, 2013 at 1:44 PM

Technically they can’t defund it. Even Cruz knew that before the shutdown. At this point though they need to allow as much of it to be implemented as possible so the Dems have to own it.

Doughboy on October 29, 2013 at 1:48 PM

man it sure seems to be troll free lately doesn’t it?

DanMan on October 29, 2013 at 1:41 PM

Allah used RAID! bedbug and troll bombs.

katy the mean old lady on October 29, 2013 at 1:48 PM

Not only are hundreds of thousands of individual plans being cancelled, but those with employer-sponsored insurance are about to get a huge shock when they learn of the contribution rates, deductibles and coinsurance they will pay next year.
Nothing is free, and in order to pay for the indigent, sick and those who refuse to work, others will see skyrocketing costs.
NO ONE will be keeping their current plan.

maryo on October 29, 2013 at 1:49 PM

The fact that they don’t think the repeated lies are bad is very creepy.

gophergirl on October 29, 2013 at 1:49 PM

It was not precise enough

Lawyers. Shoot them all.

BobMbx on October 29, 2013 at 1:50 PM

Allah used RAID! bedbug and troll bombs.

katy the mean old lady on October 29, 2013 at 1:48 PM

Whatever he used – me likey

gophergirl on October 29, 2013 at 1:50 PM

gophergirl on October 29, 2013 at 1:49 PM

Exactly. The end justifies the means.

kingsjester on October 29, 2013 at 1:50 PM

So, is piglosi on that list of 13 or is she in waiting?

DDay on October 29, 2013 at 1:51 PM

“We knew that there would be some policies that would not qualify and therefore people would be required to get more extensive coverage,” Hoyer

Steny, that is not how you spell expensive….

hillsoftx on October 29, 2013 at 1:51 PM

I wonder if the basilisk/Stuart Smalley, Al Franken, is going to re-issue his book?:

Lies: And The Lying Liars Who Tell Them.

OhEssYouCowboys on October 29, 2013 at 1:52 PM

Has anyone called for Congressional investigations yet?

petefrt on October 29, 2013 at 1:53 PM

The 404 Presidency.

President 404.

Logus on October 29, 2013 at 1:43 PM

Someone should add the “0″ in photoshop of this or this. Maybe add 1/20/2017 “End of an Error”.

txhsmom on October 29, 2013 at 1:53 PM

Hoyer noted that people losing access to their current plans are mostly in the individual market, which is a small segment of the overall market.

The employer mandate, by executive fiat, was pushed back 12 months, possibly to make the cancellations more manageable this year. It it were still in effect, the cancellations might be an uncontrollable tidal wave that would swamp the Democrats in the 2014 elections. It’s their way of metering out the bad consequences. Here’s hoping their strategy doesn’t work, or to quote a well known radio personality, “I hope they fail.”

stefano1 on October 29, 2013 at 1:54 PM

Next big initiative:

ObamaCar.

Thats right, ObamaCar. Early designs call for a 4 wheel drive station wagon with 6 doors, floats, and an electric drivetrain. Automatic seatbelts, requires a minimum of 3 passengers in order to activate the motor, etc….

One size fits all. And it comes in Green. Only.

BobMbx on October 29, 2013 at 1:55 PM

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/344565.php

Ace’s take is excellent.

jawkneemusic on October 29, 2013 at 1:55 PM

Could this result in the deathknell of the Democrat Party? The bastards knew they lied and continued to lie and are still lying.

SC.Charlie on October 29, 2013 at 1:55 PM

Lawyers. Shoot them all.

BobMbx on October 29, 2013 at 1:50 PM

All of us?

Resist We Much on October 29, 2013 at 1:56 PM

I wonder how many people LOST their insurance when Obama added the DEMAND of FREE contraceptives to every health insurance plan in the country?

Sandra Fluke is the poster child of this perversion for those people!

Freddy on October 29, 2013 at 1:45 PM

And I know this has been mentioned ad nausem, but nevermind the fact that you can get contraceptives WITHOUT insurance from Walmart for $4. Let’s save everyone $4 to $50 a month by making everyone spend hundreds more a month for insurance premiums. Yeah, that makes sense.

MobileVideoEngineer on October 29, 2013 at 1:56 PM

The employer mandate, by executive fiat, was pushed back 12 months, possibly to make the cancellations more manageable this year. It it were still in effect, the cancellations might be an uncontrollable tidal wave that would swamp the Democrats in the 2014 elections. It’s their way of metering out the bad consequences. Here’s hoping their strategy doesn’t work, or to quote a well known radio personality, “I hope they fail.”

stefano1 on October 29, 2013 at 1:54 PM

I get the feeling Obama will delay the employer mandate til 2016 and possibly beyond in order to mitigate any electoral damage to the Dems. Why would he allow it to go into effect at any point if it’s gonna cause tens of millions to lose their coverage?

Doughboy on October 29, 2013 at 1:58 PM

making a man pay for pregnancy coverage.
war on men.
what a crock.

dmacleo on October 29, 2013 at 1:59 PM

bayam! Come out and play…

Del Dolemonte on October 29, 2013 at 2:00 PM

I am uninsured. I never supported ObamaCare. I knew prices would go up and I didn’t want that to happen.

The GOP needs to never let the Dems hear the end of this. The dems just want socialize our health care and that’s it!

terryannonline on October 29, 2013 at 2:01 PM

All of us?

Resist We Much on October 29, 2013 at 1:56 PM

gonna have to take one for the team, for the greater good dontcha know?
:) :)
call yourself a barrister and you’ll be safe :)

dmacleo on October 29, 2013 at 2:01 PM

I get the feeling Obama will delay the employer mandate til 2016 and possibly beyond in order to mitigate any electoral damage to the Dems. Why would he allow it to go into effect at any point if it’s gonna cause tens of millions to lose their coverage?

Doughboy on October 29, 2013 at 1:58 PM

I don’t. He’s never cared about anyone but himself. He’ll never triangulate. All he ever does is double down on stupid.

txhsmom on October 29, 2013 at 2:03 PM

Technically they can’t defund it. Even Cruz knew that before the shutdown. At this point though they need to allow as much of it to be implemented as possible so the Dems have to own it.

Doughboy on October 29, 2013 at 1:48 PM

Bingo Doughboy. I say go 180 on this POS, no delays, and start holding hearings on all of these “exemptions”. Make them defend it.
I hate it for people that will and are really going to suffer from this disaster (like ME for example), but I’m afraid that is going to happen anyway. The only way to stop this is to get control of the Senate and/or Whitehouse, and that means making the Dems wear this POS.

JusDreamin on October 29, 2013 at 2:04 PM

Hoyer: a walking, talking turd.

ExpressoBold on October 29, 2013 at 2:04 PM

Socialists and Communists can attain power by two methods:

1. Lying all the time about their plans and the results expected from their plans so people would vote for them.

2. Violence.

mnjg on October 29, 2013 at 2:05 PM

They are still lying to Congress this morning…isn’t that against the law?

d1carter on October 29, 2013 at 2:06 PM

Socialists have always permitted lying…

These trains are going to a work camp…bring your luggage and valuables.

d1carter on October 29, 2013 at 2:07 PM

d1carter on October 29, 2013 at 2:06 PM

Unfortunately, our AG is Eric Holder.

kingsjester on October 29, 2013 at 2:07 PM

Democrats made a cold calculation

Spinmiesters like Hoyer can just drop their pants and BEND OVER. Next thing they’ll be telling us is what the meaning of ‘is’ is.

ObamaCare is the anchor that is going to be hung around their necks in 2014.

GarandFan on October 29, 2013 at 2:08 PM

I’ll say this for the Progressives they must figure that their efforts to intellectually anesthetize American society for the past century is all but complete. They’re pretty brazen now with their lying. I can’t believe that the citizens of this country would have accepted this level of mendacity even 20 years ago. Now they admit they’ve lied and I assume they do so because they figure there will be no repercussions. For some odd reason the public will accept statements from Pelosi that Obamacare will be a much more attractive option than the healthcare insurance we have been used to. Meanwhile in broad daylight she and her ilk exempt themselves and their staffs from it. It is stunning.

DaveDief on October 29, 2013 at 2:08 PM

Some lefties want to treat “if you like your plan” as water under the bridge, a talking point that might not have been technically true in all cases but which there’s no sense dwelling on now.

Ha ha! I wouldn’t want to dwell on Obama’s BS if I were them either!
This cuts right to the core of O’s credibility.
Besides the die-hard Obamabots, who exactly is going to feel comfortable relying on anything else Obama says?

lynncgb on October 29, 2013 at 2:09 PM

It was for the Party…

d1carter on October 29, 2013 at 2:10 PM

All of us?

Resist We Much on October 29, 2013 at 1:56 PM

You have a future as a web journalist. Your country, adopted as it is, calls.

BobMbx on October 29, 2013 at 2:10 PM

This is the government that the majority of Americans voted for.

These are the pampered princes who believe not only they are the smartest in the room, but that their excrement smells like roses.

They embrace, accept, and embody one of the greatest lies ever foisted on mankind, that the ends justifies the means. A ‘good’ result is worthy of any task or step needed to achieve that result regardless of the intellectual, ethical, moral, or fiscal bankruptcy of the steps taken.

They stand against everything that we should stand for and believe in – specifically life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Their arrogance and contempt for ‘ordinary people’ is only matched by their mendacity – yet too many of us have become apathetic, lazy, and narcissistic to think beyond ‘free stuff’ that is unearned but we are somehow entitled to because of what, our social status? our race? our gender? or just because?

Their agenda is premised on abusing human nature in order to gain ‘support’, but ultimately fails because of human nature. Why push to succeed when one is rewarded for not pushing or taking risks and when one doesn’t have to succeed? Why achieve success when far too much of the reward is seized and redistributed to someone else who did nothing to earn it?

The only way we can ‘fix’ this is by voting – and encouraging others to vote as well. We have fight without air supremacy – they control much of academia so they indoctrinate more believers. They control the media so the indoctrination and propaganda continues. They control much of the judiciary so they can negate the effects of the votes of the people. And we have fight the apathy, greed, and ignorance of far too many fellow Americans.

It’s either that or surrender.

Athos on October 29, 2013 at 2:10 PM

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/344565.php

Ace’s take is excellent.

jawkneemusic on October 29, 2013 at 1:55 PM

Thanks. It’s a must-read:

But what is hugely damning and very important going forward is not that Obama knew, but that Obama made this happen, and could unmake it with a phone call, but chooses not to.

petefrt on October 29, 2013 at 2:11 PM

All of us?

Resist We Much on October 29, 2013 at 1:56 PM

Noooooo! Not you, RWM!!!!

And where the Fluke are all the lib trolls?

VibrioCocci on October 29, 2013 at 2:11 PM

I’ll say this for the Progressives they must figure that their efforts to intellectually anesthetize American society for the past century is all but complete. They’re pretty brazen now with their lying. I can’t believe that the citizens of this country would have accepted this level of mendacity even 20 years ago. Now they admit they’ve lied and I assume they do so because they figure there will be no repercussions. For some odd reason the public will accept statements from Pelosi that Obamacare will be a much more attractive option than the healthcare insurance we have been used to. Meanwhile in broad daylight she and her ilk exempt themselves and their staffs from it. It is stunning.

DaveDief on October 29, 2013 at 2:08 PM

That is because they have as much as 47% of the voting public in their side all the time no matter what… The majority of their voters are parasites either directly or indirectly depending on the producers taxes for their survival and they will vote for Satan himself as long as he is going to give the other people money… The question is do you consider the parasites citizens? or to rephrase it do you consider them “good citizens”? I do not… The biggest problem is that they are allowed to vote…

mnjg on October 29, 2013 at 2:15 PM

You know, I’m beginning to think they lied about Benghazi too…LOL.

d1carter on October 29, 2013 at 2:18 PM

Thx, guys. :-)

Resist We Much on October 29, 2013 at 2:21 PM

All of us?

Resist We Much on October 29, 2013 at 1:56 PM

coughs..did i say lawyer??..
tell em you run a small non profit historical blog library..
your a librarian/scholar..!!!not no stinking lawyer…

maybe that’ll get you off???..

going2mars on October 29, 2013 at 2:22 PM

Mr. Hoyer signed on for the Democrat lie campaign lock, bag and nozzle

Mason on October 29, 2013 at 2:23 PM

Obamacare supporters act as if all of the lies were no big deal and no serious person believed them anyway.

I can’t be the only one who thought of this scene when this line of reasoning was introduced.

The Schaef on October 29, 2013 at 2:32 PM

42% say their views lone up closely with the Obama administration. So half this country are liars and cheats. God help us. Can we please split the country in half? The conservatives in the south, the libs in the north?

neyney on October 29, 2013 at 2:35 PM

Line up! PIMF

neyney on October 29, 2013 at 2:38 PM

The Schaef on October 29, 2013 at 2:32 PM

spot on…
was thinking that same thing..
this way..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVzt2HSvUis

going2mars on October 29, 2013 at 2:41 PM

Hoyer noted that people losing access to their current plans are mostly in the individual market, which is a small segment of the overall market.

I really think this needs to be brought into the light even more considering, right now, that the reason that it’s only the “individual market” that is being effected is because the most annointed one gave the other side of the coin, the “Employer Supplied” an exemptions from complying for the first year. When that expires the same results will be felt by “most” of the folks who get their insurance from an employer, which is a large segment of the overall market.

If this whole craptastic act is still in effect come next October, then all holy hell is going to rain down.

D-fusit on October 29, 2013 at 2:50 PM

D-fusit on October 29, 2013 at 2:50 PM

Yep, it’s gonna be interesting isn’t it? Maybe they delayed the employer mandate because they knew the application web site would be overwhelmed and not be able to handle the volume. Despite this they still have a disaster on their hands. Can you imagine what would be going on if the employer mandate had not been delayed and you had employers dropping healthcare beenfits and sending employees to the exchanges?

DaveDief on October 29, 2013 at 3:06 PM

So now we know that to this adminstration

“period”

means

“assuming you have a policy that in fact does do what the bill is designed to do.”

gonnjos on October 29, 2013 at 3:06 PM

All of us?

Resist We Much on October 29, 2013 at 1:56 PM

.
Maybe just the 99% making the rest look bad? :-)

News2Use on October 29, 2013 at 3:09 PM

Did Hoyer know they were going to do that? Does he care that they did? He’d better figure it out, because the more of an uproar there is over people getting dropped, the more Ron Johnson’s new bill will start to look good to red-state Democrats in the Senate. Passing it might make the adverse-selection problem worse, not better, but desperate incumbents like Pryor and Begich might not care. At the very least, the pressure on them to relax some of HHS’s regs disqualifying formerly grandfathered plans will only grow more intense.

Hoyer probably doesn’t care, because he occupies a safe blue seat in MD, but a lot of Senate Democrats might start running for cover soon. Senator Johnson should write his bill so that ALL health insurance plans in effect as of March 2010 (when Obamacare passed) satisfy the individual mandate, regardless of what they covered, and allow an adjustment of premiums based on inflation since March 2010. If it doesn’t get 60 votes in the Senate now, it could get attached to a Continuing Resolution in January, giving Senators the option of voting for it or shutting down the government, and voters will probably THANK the Republicans this time!

Steve Z on October 29, 2013 at 3:25 PM

Socialists and Communists can attain power by two methods:

1. Lying all the time about their plans and the results expected from their plans so people would vote for them.

2. Violence.

mnjg on October 29, 2013 at 2:05 PM

Once they’re in power, they resort to (2) sooner or later, anyway, because;

3. They’re bored.

4. They have to constantly reassure themselves that the peasants are defenseless against them.

5. Deep down inside, they hate the human race other than themselves and get a visceral, sexual thrill out of killing for its own sake.

clear ether

eon

eon on October 29, 2013 at 3:27 PM

Can we RICO these people?

Another Drew on October 29, 2013 at 3:54 PM

obama lied and a country died..

crosshugger on October 29, 2013 at 4:26 PM

The legislation was made in bad faith and represented as something it could not be.

No matter how much good you wish to do, when it is bought with lies it is evil to its core.

ajacksonian on October 29, 2013 at 4:43 PM

It’s called a betrayal of trust Congressman.

diogenes on October 29, 2013 at 4:44 PM

Well at least the oceans are still receding.

Flange on October 29, 2013 at 1:30 PM

Thread winner.

ICanSeeNovFromMyHouse on October 29, 2013 at 4:54 PM

****** Say guys, this isn’t your normal blog post, I’m just thinking out loud.

Somewhere in America there is some poor soul or souls who have severely bad medical conditions who have been absolutely and demonstrably damaged by this stupid law.

Wouldn’t such persons be able to take legal action against the people noted in the links above for damaging them, particularly RICO action since it was a conspiracy to damage these people?

I’m not a lawyer and I realize that this is sailing close to the rocks, but I’ve seen sillier lawsuits (at least to me.)

I’ll mention it to some of the lawyers I know, if the concept resonates with you, maybe you could do the same. It would really be a gas to send these cockroaches scuttling for the dark.

CrazyGene on October 29, 2013 at 5:10 PM

Comment pages: 1 2