Krauthammer: Carney, Obama arguing Americans too stupid to choose for themselves

posted at 12:01 pm on October 29, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Now that the “if you like your plan, you can keep your plan” lie has been thoroughly exposed, ObamaCare defenders have taken to arguing that what replaces the millions of cancelled plans will be much better for people than what they chose before.  Essentially, this argument presumes that a centrally-planned, one-size-fits-all insurance profile works better for Americans than their own choices for coverage in the marketplace. Charles Krauthammer deconstructs the arrogance of this argument and explains why it fails every time it’s tried (via RCP):

It’s precisely why historically centrally-planned economies don’t work. The Soviets had a plan for this much steel and this much concrete and it had no response to what was out there in the market and they overproduced. So, they had a lot of production numbers and they had an economy that was unworkable. Here these people are deciding if you’re a single male in your 60s, you don’t need the maternal care, you don’t — you’ve never smoked dope, you don’t need the substance abuse stuff. You want a catastrophic plan which is very rational, but Jay Carney is saying, you know, ‘you’re too stupid to understand what you want.’ Once you eliminate the market response, which is a lot of people decide I know what I want better than the bureaucrat and they’re eliminating this. That’s the essence of what’s happening and that’s why it’s not going to work.

That comes straight out of F. A. Hayek and The Road to Serfdom.  Markets work best at allocating resources (when properly and objectively regulated to prevent fraud and theft) because the people making use of those assets have to do so in a cooperative/competitive environment.  That creates millions of decision points which require the expertise and interests of those in the market, and which a central-planning bureau cannot master, in real time or otherwise.  Specific demand creates innovation in supply, so that those who need maternity care will favor the suppliers who provide it, while those who don’t will favor those suppliers who offer less expensive plans, and so on.

The core conceit of central planners is that the participants in the marketplace are too stupid to act in their own interest, as Krauthammer correctly translates the White House response.  That’s more than a little ironic, too, coming from the central-planning administration that couldn’t even manage to launch a web portal correctly.


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I’m going to demand a pap smear from my doctor.

Yeah, I’m a guy but if I’m paying for it then I want one, they can figure out how to do it.

Bishop on October 29, 2013 at 11:29 AM

Dude, you might want to re-think that one!

cajunpatriot on October 29, 2013 at 1:33 PM

He described my situation exactly. Never even tried choom. Cannot have kids anymore. But the busybodies are going to give me “essential benefits.”

Ted Torgerson on October 29, 2013 at 1:17 PM

More like the busybodies are going to make you pay for everyone else’s “essential benefits”.

hawkeye54 on October 29, 2013 at 1:35 PM

Midas on October 29, 2013 at 12:50 PM

The crux of this discussion comes down to the point as to whether or not we believe this country has passed the tipping point where we are outnumbered by those who want ‘free stuff’ from the government, and are willing to vote for the promises of ‘free stuff’ today in willful ignorance that ultimately they will run out of someone else’s money, and those of us who not only oppose a totalitarian progressive government, but oppose a government redistribution our hard earned wealth to those who don’t earn it in the name of ‘fairness’ or ‘justice’.

Detroit isn’t a good example, because there are so many who ‘voted’ with their feet – who fled that progressive utopia because they knew it was going to implode. Those who remain are feeling the pain, but are so indoctrinated that they don’t blame the agenda that created the disaster, but those who they think seek to deny them what they haven’t earned, but believe they are entitled to.

California is an example of a state where many are starting to vote with their feet as growing numbers of the middle class and businesses, targeted by the progressive regime that has ruled the state for three and a half decades, relocated outside the state.

The question we face, as more than 50% of the people pay no federal income taxes and nearly a third of the population are completely dependent of the federal government for entitlements, is if the nation has crossed the tipping point…where apathy, ignorance, indoctrination, and the desire for something ‘free’ today outweighs liberty, freedom, accountability and responsibility.

After the 2012 Presidential elections, it does look like we’ve crossed that tipping point… but I am not entirely there yet. I’m still willing to make the argument for 2014 and 2016 that we still have a chance to not cross the tipping point.

Perhaps I am naive, and that we’ve already crossed the tipping point into a welfare state where those who want ‘free stuff’ and apathy are the majority. But until I’m convinced the cause is lost, I will keep making the argument the best I can…and keep having faith in my fellow citizens to do the right thing when it comes down to it.

Athos on October 29, 2013 at 1:36 PM

That comes straight out of F. A. Hayek and The Road to Serfdom

The way the individual benefits society and the economy as a whole is explained quite elegantly by Hayek in “Individulism and Economic Order”. Hayek was actually fairly liberal (in the old meaning of the term). Today’s liberals are so completely and absolutely anti-intellectual that they cannot make the connection between how individualism benefits the society and economy, so they are entrenched in central planning.

These liberals are truly ignorant.

NOMOBO on October 29, 2013 at 2:04 PM

But…but….but liberals know EVERYTHING! Just ask them!

GarandFan on October 29, 2013 at 2:11 PM

arguing Americans too stupid to choose for themselves

They may have stumbled onto being half right here. 0 is the President after all.

Bmore on October 29, 2013 at 2:40 PM

Welllll. Most Americans ARE purty stoopid!

Old Country Boy on October 29, 2013 at 2:45 PM

I made the same point to a liberal acquaintance that they were essentially telling people they thought they were too dumb to purchase plans that they want/need.

They responded that they pay property taxes and don’t have kids. They pay FICA that others they don’t agree with politically benefit from. They then pointed out that the average American pulls out more from SS than they put in.

All of that had nothing to do with my original point, but somehow made sense in his liberal mind. Absolutely astounding. These people are wandering in the desert right now.

weaselyone on October 29, 2013 at 2:46 PM

arguing Americans too stupid to choose for themselves

They may have stumbled onto being half right here. 0 is the President after all.

Add to Americans indoctrinated to be stupid, decades of being brought up to be too lazy to make decisions for themselves. Overwhelmed by the thought of making even a simple decision leads to accepting someone else making decisions for them, good or bad.

hawkeye54 on October 29, 2013 at 2:46 PM

Welllll. Most Americans ARE purty stoopid!

As fully intended. Much easier to manipulate that way.

hawkeye54 on October 29, 2013 at 2:47 PM

Is there surprise here? The Democrats have been telling the black community for years that they are too stupid and incompetent to take care of themselves, can’t qualify for jobs/advancement on their own, can’t get into college on their own merits, and more.

The Dems want *everyone* on the plantation.

Midas on October 29, 2013 at 2:50 PM

Athos on October 29, 2013 at 1:36 PM

I had the hope that you have now, after the 2010 election. It is now gone.

If the GOP had taken the lifeline that was handed it in 2010 by conservatives with a resounding and historic victory, and still carried that banner, fighting tooth and nail today, I’d still have that hope.

With the GOP doing everything they can to a) destroy conservatives, b) effectively reverse the gains they were handed in 2010, and c) continue helping the Democrats destroy what’s left of the country… yeah, not so much hope at this point.

Midas on October 29, 2013 at 2:56 PM

Welcome to the party Dr. K. You are 5 years too late.

oldroy on October 29, 2013 at 3:04 PM

I wonder how much my hysterectomy insurance is gonna up my bill???

Gee, thanks, Uncle Sugar, for effing up what was left of our sorry lives.

hillbillyjim on October 29, 2013 at 3:10 PM

Carney, Obama arguing Americans too stupid to choose for themselves

That’s been the democrat argument for decades. It didn’t begin with those two clowns.

xblade on October 29, 2013 at 3:29 PM

I will never see Krauthammer the same after I saw him kiss up to liberals and John Stewart on the Daily Show. Barf.

bluegill on October 29, 2013 at 3:43 PM

I think LIV referred to the majority that voted Obama again in 2012, not CK.

Tsar of Earth

Though LIV could apply to CK as well apparently:

In the one-hour special on Krauthammer, he talks about — along with George Will — not getting what Obama was about early on, even dining with him after the election and not understanding until five weeks after he was sworn in. It took him five weeks ’til after he was sworn in that they understood what it was Obama was all about.

How is that even possible?

xblade on October 29, 2013 at 3:48 PM

Can we RICO these people?

Another Drew on October 29, 2013 at 3:55 PM

In the one-hour special on Krauthammer, he talks about — along with George Will — not getting what Obama was about early on, even dining with him after the election and not understanding until five weeks after he was sworn in. It took him five weeks ’til after he was sworn in that they understood what it was Obama was all about.

How is that even possible?

xblade on October 29, 2013 at 3:48 PM

I heard about that, Rush was talking about it today too.

I think less of Krauthammer every day.

slickwillie2001 on October 29, 2013 at 4:02 PM

The urge to believe is stronger in some than in others.
What was it Orwell said about some ideas being so screwed up, only highly educated people could believe in them?
Disclaimer: I like Charles, but on this he truly jumped the shark.

Another Drew on October 29, 2013 at 4:09 PM

I’m 43 and husband is 54. My ONLY child is almost 20 and on his dad’s insurance until he’s 22(ex won’t let him stay on it until he’s 26.) We neither need nor want anything involving maternity or child. We’ve no need for mental health coverage either. Our current policy covers all 3 things-but so what?
If we want to drop them-that should be OUR choice!

annoyinglittletwerp on October 29, 2013 at 4:17 PM

Thomas Sowell reminds us of an old quote: “A moron can put on his own coat better than a wise man can put it on for him.”

Take people with a health care policy, and offer them a new policy where the premiums cost a lot more and you have to pay a lot more in deductibles before insurance gives you any benefit.

Now tell them that, in exchange, they will get benefits they don’t really need, like drug rehab, or that they can get for a lot less, like contraceptives.

Nobody would take the deal if they had a choice.

Nobody.

But if the government mandates it, then you have no choice.

Problem solved!!!

There Goes the Neighborhood on October 29, 2013 at 4:26 PM

Carney, Obama arguing Americans too stupid to choose for themselves

And they may be right.

It got him elected. Twice.

ICanSeeNovFromMyHouse on October 29, 2013 at 4:48 PM

What happened to MadisonConservative?

celtic warrior on October 29, 2013 at 7:10 PM

I think less of Krauthammer every day.

slickwillie2001 on October 29, 2013 at 4:02 PM

…me too!

KOOLAID2 on October 29, 2013 at 8:09 PM

Charles didn’t know what Obama was until his first SOTU Speech. You have to be joking. This is what goes for intelligence in 2013 America. The welfare state has become so large that it is over for America. The republicans may pass immigration reform which will further destroy the middle class. All the leeches on welfare should be doing the jobs that the illegals do.

alanstern on October 29, 2013 at 8:22 PM

Hey d-bag, centrally planned economies do not work in theory either.

SparkPlug on October 29, 2013 at 10:03 PM

What happened to MadisonConservative?
celtic warrior on October 29, 2013 at 7:10 PM

He faded. Palin didn’t.

That is all.

SparkPlug on October 29, 2013 at 10:05 PM

Carney, ObamaRombots arguing Americans too stupid to choose for themselves

I see this same kind of thinking every presidential election cycle in the Republican primaries. The Dems don’t have a monopoly on insulting the electorate. They just win lately cause they do a better job of pandering to their respective base.

gryphon202 on October 30, 2013 at 5:08 AM

WELCOME TO REALITY Krauthammer…AND THE REST OF SLEEPING AMERICA!

Liberals have ALWAYS believed they are the smartest people on the planet, velieve they have the answer to everything, believe they have the solutions – and thus laws – that YOU (not them) need to abide by, believe they know how to spend YOUR money better than you do, and believe you are too stupid to be able to live your life.

The Obama administration is the ULTIMATE case that disproves that theory!

Obama’s Liberal Elitist View was that Bush was ‘Un-Patriotic’ for adding $4 trillion in debt over 4 years through 9/11/01 and 2 legitimate wars. THEN he added over $6 trillion in new debt.

He manufactured the 1st credit rating downgrade, ran drugs to Mexican Drug cartels, armed the very same Al Qaeda that perpetrated 9/11/01, used our military to help Al Qaeda take over Libya, hired them to protect our US Ambassador in Benghazi while the CIA ran weapons to Al Qaeda in Syria out of Benghazi, then abandoned and betrayed the US Ambassador and 3 other Americans in Benghazi, allowing Al Qaeda to kill them…then LIED about it.

He aided the terrorist organization the Muslim Brotherhood take over Egypt, cut funding from the military that is trying to get that terrorist group out of its country, and called the terrorist attack at Fort Hood a case of ‘workplace violence’.

He has destroyed the 40hr work week, has put millions out of work, caused millions to lose their insurance, has more Americans on Food Stamps than ever before, and forcing Americans to buy a product that undermines and destroys the natin the Founding Fathers created, leaving Americans with no other option but to embrace SOCIALISM which he and his fellow Progressive Liberals want to ensure they are the ones leadnig the Tyranny in the future!

easyt65 on October 30, 2013 at 8:40 AM

So, in a way, Obama and the Progressive Liberals are CORRECT – people ARE too stupid to lead their own lives because they have become so fat, complacent, lazy, and so unappreciative of FREEDOM and the millions of Americans who have fought and died to give them that Freedom that they are willing to sacrifice EVERYTHING in return for someone who will do everything for them, give them everything they need. They have become a group of CONDITIONED SLAVES willingly placing the shackles on themselves.

And for all the racists out there who have defended Obama simply because he is black….okay, the man is black – SO WHAT?

Unemployment among blacks is OVER 14%. He promised NOT to let Detroit go bankrupt….and it is way beyond bankrupt! He has not passed 1 piece of legislation designed to help blacks! I have talked to friends who believed ‘now we have one of our own and the black man is finally going to prosper’…and it was all a lie. Obama is 1st and foremost NOT a ‘Black man’ – he is a Progressive, Liberal SOCIALIST! His actions have intentionally been to max out the debt, cause the lowering of the dollar value, destroy jobs, destroy the US health care system to the point where Americans – white, blacks, latinos, etc – rely on the government for EVERYTHING! After the 1st election blacks were shown on TV saying ‘Obama is going to pay for my gas’, ‘Obama is going to give me a new kitchen’….what Obama has offered all of us are a new type of chains!

He has added $7 trillion in debt through record-setting deficit spending, no budget in 5 years, raised the debt ceiling twice, added a record number of highly oppressive job-destroying regulations, massive oppressive new taxes that are driving companies out of the country, caused millions to lose their jobs, lied and forced millions to lose their insurance, has dorced US to pay for our millionaire politicians’ Obamacare premiums, havemore Americans on Food Stamps than ever before, and has armed, aided, and used our military to help the very terrorists who slaughtered Americans on 9/11/01 – a day we swore we would never forget….and aided the terrorist Muslim Brotherhood take over Egypt!

WAKE THE HELL UP, AMERICA!

easyt65 on October 30, 2013 at 8:52 AM

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