CBS: ObamaCare forcing at least 2 million from existing plans

posted at 8:41 am on October 29, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

“If you like your doctor or health care plan,” Barack Obama repeatedly promised, “you can keep it.” Politifact rated that as “half true,” but for at least 2 million Americans, it’s a pants-on-fire lie from the White House.  CBS reports this morning that their contacts in the insurance industry confirm that millions have been booted from existing plans, and millions more may follow.

And as for those who claim that this is “anecdotal,” CBS provides an explicit rebuttal:

It’s an unexpected reality of Obamacare being told through anecdotes in local papers and on social media. But the hard numbers reveal the evidence is far more than anecdotal. CBS News has confirmed with insurance companies across the country that more than two million people are getting notices they no longer can keep their existing plans. In California, there are 279,000; in Michigan, 140,000; Florida, 300,000; and in New Jersey, 800,000. And those numbers are certain to go even higher. Some companies who tell CBS News they’ve sent letters won’t say how many.

Industry experts like Larry Levitt, of the Kaiser Family Foundation, say the insurance companies have no choice. “What we’re seeing now is reality coming into play,” he said.

Obamacare forces them to drop many of their plans that don’t meet the law’s 10 minimum standards, including maternity care, emergency visits, mental health treatment and even pediatric dental care.

That means consumers have to sign on to new plans even if they don’t want or need the more generous coverage.

Well, it’s not unexpected for the White House and HHS, which made decisions three years ago that guaranteed millions would be pushed out of existing plans.  Levitt estimates that after subsidies are applied, about half will pay less in premiums while half will pay more, but that doesn’t take into account the escalating deductibles on the new plans.

The “subsidies will cover the difference” response also doesn’t address a fundamental truth about ObamaCare: it’s making everything more expensive, not just premiums.  Premiums increase as costs go up; that’s a fundamental point in risk-pool economics.  The subsidies only hide that cost, and don’t even do that well.  The subsidies will come from higher taxes and/or borrowing, and those taxes will be paid by Americans on top of the premiums they are now forced to absorb.  The only difference is that the taxes are indirect — either through income-tax increases or on costs associated with higher taxes on medical devices and services.

Other shoes will drop soon. We have yet to start seeing the impact of reduced access to physicians, some of whom will opt out entirely to remodel their business on a small, membership-based clientele.  The New York Post points out that this trend has already begun (via Drudge):

New York doctors are treating ObamaCare like the plague, a new survey reveals.

A poll conducted by the New York State Medical Society finds that 44 percent of MDs said they are not participating in the nation’s new health-care plan.

Another 33 percent say they’re still not sure whether to become ObamaCare providers.

Only 23 percent of the 409 physicians queried said they’re taking patients who signed up through health exchanges.

“This is so poorly designed that a lot of doctors are afraid to participate,” said Dr. Sam Unterricht, president of the 29,000-member organization. “There’s a lot of resistance. Doctors don’t know what they’re going to get paid.”

When all of this hits home, Democrats will look back on the Healthcare.gov failures wistfully, as a golden age of their credibility on health-care reform.


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At least.

And let’s not forget about the people who’ve been forced from their full-time jobs to part-time jobs, too.

Nethicus on October 29, 2013 at 8:44 AM

OMG the Tea Party extremists have taken over CBS News!

forest on October 29, 2013 at 8:46 AM

Two million, the number I saw was 16 million; the criminal Dog Eater and Treblinka Kate would kill for it to be only 2 million.

Bishop on October 29, 2013 at 8:46 AM

“There’s a lot of resistance. Doctors don’t know what they’re going to get paid.”

Those dasterdly, greedy foot-wranglers.

NickelAndDime on October 29, 2013 at 8:46 AM

But the Obama plans you’re being forced on to are better!

Marcus on October 29, 2013 at 8:47 AM

I am an employee benefits consultant North Carolina. I just got a renewal from Blue Cross for a 6-life dentist office. They can not keep their old plan and the rates are increasing 76%. Hope and Change; they hope they can pay the premium since their insurance was changed…not at their request

Hopeless Future on October 29, 2013 at 8:47 AM

At least.

And let’s not forget about the people who’ve been forced from their full-time jobs to part-time jobs, too.

Nethicus on October 29, 2013 at 8:44 AM

This is costing Americans and America real money….the result is less pay which means less taxes.

redguy on October 29, 2013 at 8:47 AM

LA LA LA can’t hear you…..bush!!!! Medicare part d
-msdnc talking heads

cmsinaz on October 29, 2013 at 8:48 AM

Wow, who could have seen this coming?

Chris of Rights on October 29, 2013 at 8:48 AM

“There’s a lot of resistance. Doctors don’t know what they’re going to get paid.”

Those dasterdly, greedy foot-wranglers.

NickelAndDime on October 29, 2013 at 8:46 AM

I guess doctors will have to work less than 30 hours per week or they will have to get ObamaCare to care for themselves…..

redguy on October 29, 2013 at 8:49 AM

Other shoes will drop soon.

them damn foot russlers are at it again, ain’t they, Ed???! Loppin’ off feet, just ta gitz paid n’ such….dang ‘em all ta hell *spit*

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ted c on October 29, 2013 at 8:50 AM

Chris of Rights on October 29, 2013 at 8:48 AM

Rep. Joe Wilson.

kingsjester on October 29, 2013 at 8:50 AM

AH HA HA HA HA HAAAA!

Boy, Sarah Palin, the TEA Party, and all the rest of the people who actually have at least half a brain were sure stupid when they predicted that! Oh, wait, they were totally correct…At least they were wrong about the Death Panels…Oh, they got that right too…

HA HA HA HA HA HAAAA!

If I had the money, I would make an ad that had all the clips of King Putt the Boy Blunder lying his A$$ off about us getting to keep our doctor and keep our healthcare plan…After each Obummer clip I would play the Joe Wilson “You lie!” sound bite…And then loop ol’ Joe’s clip over and over at the end…YOU LIE YOU LIE YOU LIE YOU LIE YOU LIE!!!!!!

Battlecruiser-operational on October 29, 2013 at 8:50 AM

finding out what’s in the bill……..

thank you nancy/

ted c on October 29, 2013 at 8:51 AM

“What we’re seeing now is reality RACISM coming into play,” he said.

fixed for Valerie Jarrett

mankai on October 29, 2013 at 8:52 AM

I’m stunned. That was an honest report.

But then there’s this guy: Levitt said, “The winners outnumber the losers here, but because of all the website problems, it’s hard to find out who the winners are because they don’t even know it themselves.”

Right, whatever dude. More propaganda from Kaiser Family Foundation. Note to the media and bloggers: Stop treating that organization as a independent source of information on the ACA.

forest on October 29, 2013 at 8:53 AM

The real number right now is over 14 million.

Levitt estimates that after subsidies are applied, about half will pay less in premiums while half will pay more, but that doesn’t take into account the escalating deductibles on the new plans.

I doubt very much most of those booted from their current plans are likely to pay less after subsidies. They obviously can afford to pay for their own insurance prior to this law, and any subsidy they are eligible for won’t cover the increased premium cost. And this claim should be challenged instantly anyways since I have yet to see a single story of anyone who is losing their old plan being offered a new plan they’ll pay less for then their old plan.

This also exposes the ‘keep your doctor’ lie as well, because the only way a person can get a subsidy is to apply through the exchanges. And if people do that they are very likely to lose their doctors.

NotCoach on October 29, 2013 at 8:53 AM

Could the sniveling weasels in the MSM have come to the realization that, if they keep trying to cover for this Administration, they will go down with Obama’s Sinking Ship of State?

Is the MSM simply in Survival Mode, or are they distancing themselves, in order to be a viable force for the Democratic Party, with the purpose of saving them from a Political Massacre in the 2014 and 2016 Elections?

Either way, the MSM is quickly distancing themselves from the indefensible disaster known as Obamacare, like it is last call at the local pub, and the last one there has to pick up the check.

kingsjester on October 29, 2013 at 8:53 AM

So was this mass dropping of current plans part of the original 2,000 page bill, the last-minute 800 page amendment, or part of the 20,000 pages of amendments added since passage into law.

Nancy, you bungling criminal witch, answer the question. Or better yet how about one of you resident HotGas lefties? Where ARE all you these days?

Bishop on October 29, 2013 at 8:55 AM

This whole situation looks like this to me:

Democrat:I’m gonna go wreck the car.
Republican: I wouldn’t do that.
Democrat: I won. :locks Republican in the back yard:
Republican: Let us back in!
Democrat: Nope! :Wrecks the car:
Republican: Well, at least we won’t get in trouble for that.
American People: WHO WRECKED THE CAR!?
Democrat: The Republicans, they should have stopped us!

Gatsu on October 29, 2013 at 8:55 AM

“This is so poorly designed that a lot of doctors are afraid to participate,” said Dr. Sam Unterricht, president of the 29,000-member organization. “There’s a lot of resistance. Doctors don’t know what they’re going to get paid.”

BOOM!

workingclass artist on October 29, 2013 at 8:55 AM

Okay, so, when is obama going to be impeached?

Pork-Chop on October 29, 2013 at 8:56 AM

Nancy said that we had to pass the bill in order to find out what was in it. Well, it looks like a steaming crap sammich according to these numbers!

ted c on October 29, 2013 at 8:57 AM

When all of this hits home, Democrats will look back on the Healthcare.gov failures wistfully, as a golden age of their credibility on health-care reform.

No offense, but you made a number of 2012 election predictions with that same confidence.

Counting chickens before they’ve hatched and whatnot…

budfox on October 29, 2013 at 8:57 AM

All BigSven can say is:

WHEN YOU GRAB THE PITCHFORKS, TAR AND FEATHERS, AND HEAD TO THE WHITE HOUSE TO CLEAN OUT THE LIARS, DEMS, AND LIBERAL SYCOPHANTS REMBEMBER THIS:

NOT ONE,.. NOT 1… REPUBBIE VOTED FOR THIS REVOLTING FRAUDULENT FIASCO !!!

It’s all on Obama, Pelosi, Reid and their minions..They perpetrated this FRAUD on America !!

BigSven on October 29, 2013 at 8:57 AM

When all of this hits home, Democrats will look back on the Healthcare.gov failures wistfully, as a golden age of their credibility on health-care reform.

In 2010 Dems wanted all the credit for Obamacare and went out of their way to ensure that they would be acknowledged as the ones that delivered Obamacare ahead of the 2014 elections.

In 2014 Dems want nothing to do with Obamacare, they cringe when their lazy stupid leader is quoted about getting to keep your doctor, keep your plan, and paying $2300 less in premiums.

Happy Nomad on October 29, 2013 at 8:58 AM

Obama lied, America will die.

brads01 on October 29, 2013 at 8:58 AM

“We have to pass it so that you can see what’s in it!”

GarandFan on October 29, 2013 at 8:58 AM

+1 gatsu…. spot on

cmsinaz on October 29, 2013 at 9:01 AM

Only 23 percent of the 409 physicians queried said they’re taking patients who signed up through health exchanges.

LOL. Great. Now people are forced to pay much higher premiums for policies with much higher deductibles, and the vast majority of doctors in their area won’t even accept them as patients!

Then there are the millions of people who have signed up for the newly-expanded Medicaid program. They too, are about to find out that there are very few doctors who will be willing to accept them as patients (due to the ludicrously low government reimbursement rates).

Obamacare: The Doctor Won’t See You Now (or ever, because your insurance sucks!).

AZCoyote on October 29, 2013 at 9:02 AM

That means consumers have to sign on to new plans even if they don’t want or need the more generous coverage.

How is charging a guy for maternity care coverage, being more generous?

How about we give more politicians and bureaucrats more generous benefits by giving them free cement overcoats?

Dusty on October 29, 2013 at 9:02 AM

Nancy, you bungling criminal witch, answer the question. Or better yet how about one of you resident HotGas lefties? Where ARE all you these days?

I’l go ahead and give the Nanzi Pelosi answer: “Are you serious, are you serious?”

(I believe that was when a reporter asked her about the Constitutionality of the ACA (Obummercare))…

Battlecruiser-operational on October 29, 2013 at 9:04 AM

Ed Morrissey wrote:

Levitt estimates that after subsidies are applied, about half will pay less in premiums while half will pay more, but that doesn’t take into account the escalating deductibles on the new plans.

The addition of those deductibles to annual premium payments creates what we would call the Obamacare cost gap, which represents the amount of health expenses you would have to have before having insurance coverage would even matter to you – the link will take you to the tools we’ve developed where you can find out how much the Obamacare cost gap might be for you.

Closely related: Do you even need health insurance?, which is our tool that gives the odds that a random American might ever need to be admitted to a hospital according to their age and sex, which for most people, is where they draw the line between having minor health problem and a more serious one.

ironman on October 29, 2013 at 9:05 AM

But the Republican party thinks that “this is not the battle to die on.”

It’s almost like Obama is a Sith using the Force to control weak-minded Republicans. Most of both parties treat the American public like serfs.

njrob on October 29, 2013 at 9:05 AM

I suspect that if you’re not on an AARP plan (or one of the ‘special friends’ of 404-care), there’s a 90-95% chance yer gonna get the boot.

16 million may be a rosy scenario…

CPT. Charles on October 29, 2013 at 9:05 AM

“It’s an unexpected reality of Obamacare.”

Unexpected by whom, exactly?

DarthBrooks on October 29, 2013 at 9:05 AM

So was this mass dropping of current plans part of the original 2,000 page bill, the last-minute 800 page amendment, or part of the 20,000 pages of amendments added since passage into law.

Nancy, you bungling criminal witch, answer the question. Or better yet how about one of you resident HotGas lefties? Where ARE all you these days?

Bishop on October 29, 2013 at 8:55 AM

Bart Stupak is going have to go into a witness protection program before this is all over.

And BTW, the mass dropping of the current plans was by design from the beginning. But, I am a little surprised the HA trolls have not been playing a little more defense on Obamacare. They should know better than most about the glories of Obamacare given that concern trolls probably are not part of a corporate health plan.

Happy Nomad on October 29, 2013 at 9:05 AM

“Working as designed”

This is exactly how it was supposed to work folks. The commies will blame the insurance companies for being greedy. “How dare they increase their rates and their deductibles so much!” The typical hard core liberal has no grasp on supply, demand and that more mandates makes it more expensive for insurance companies to provide insurance. Not to mention having to build a pool for all those smart people who will wait to get sick to get insurance because the fine is cheaper and preexisting conditions can’t be denied.

My commie friends and relatives are already saying this “proves we need single payer”. They can’t tell me how we pay for it. They think “Bush’s wars” cost us a trillion a year and ending those will do it (100 Billion a year max). They think we can tax the rich more, but when you point out even a 100% tax can’t cover it and a 75% tax is destroying France even before it takes effect, they cover their ears and yell “LA LA LA LA LA can’t hear you!”

By spring the media will be spinning out single payer as well. It’s all part of the master plan. It won’t be the fault of mandates. It won’t be the fault of no preexisting condition. It won’t be the fault of DHHS or Obamacare. It will all be placed, by the media, dutifully, at the feet of the insurance companies.

PastorJon on October 29, 2013 at 9:06 AM

All this negative hype over a healthcare bill that will eventually dramatically drive down costs and provide insurance for everyone…the sky is not falling…

PatriotRider on October 29, 2013 at 9:07 AM

New York doctors are treating ObamaCare like the plague, a new survey reveals.

New York doctors? Obamacare was supposed to working so well here.

monalisa on October 29, 2013 at 9:07 AM

Hopeless Future on October 29, 2013 at 8:47 AM

Me too, in Fl.
My small ER’s in that situation are terming Group cov and
going exchange..but now they are seeing the insanity and don’t
know wth to do. It is a effing nightmare.

bazil9 on October 29, 2013 at 9:08 AM

After 5 long years of protect Barry the Incompetent, looks like the MSM is finally tiring of protecting him.The dam is about to burst and the Reps can fully capitalize on this, but don’t count on it.

jeffinsjvca on October 29, 2013 at 9:08 AM

What I’d like to know is who will pay those thousands in deductible for all those people who have insurance they couldn’t afford in the first place and have their insurance mostly subsidized?

Dusty on October 29, 2013 at 9:09 AM

Sorry folks, I had to step in and substitute for all of the missing trolls….hah!!!!

PatriotRider on October 29, 2013 at 9:09 AM

As one of those who has been purchasing individual coverage on the open market, it is far from anecdotal for me. I got my letter informing me that I will not be able to keep my plan next year.

MJBrutus on October 29, 2013 at 9:10 AM

A poll conducted by the New York State Medical Society finds that 44 percent of MDs said they are not participating in the nation’s new health-care plan.

It’s like that scene from Animal House where the marching band is directed into the dead end alley. People are being directed into Obamacare but that doesn’t mean they are going to be able to find a doctor let alone keep the one they like. Yet more and more people are being pushed down that blind alley.

Happy Nomad on October 29, 2013 at 9:11 AM

I saw the perfesser on the other thread, but verby and the rest of them are noticably absent.

How to you defend this indefensible, impeachable behavior?

kingsjester on October 29, 2013 at 9:11 AM

My HSA will begin to be “phased out” over the next three years…per my latest insurance carrier notice…

PatriotRider on October 29, 2013 at 9:12 AM

New York doctors? Obamacare was supposed to working so well here.

monalisa on October 29, 2013 at 9:07 AM

Well, it is if success is measured by the rate of increase in Medicaid participants.

OT- New bumper sticker that’s out there now. Picture of Obama in front of his logo with the words- Does this ass make my truck look big?

Happy Nomad on October 29, 2013 at 9:13 AM

Bart Stupak is going have to go into a witness protection program before this is all over.

Happy Nomad on October 29, 2013 at 9:05 AM

And give up that cushy lobbying job he got as payment for selling his “principles”?

Flange on October 29, 2013 at 9:14 AM

I can only imagine what the GDP, “real” unemployment, and other economic activity stats will look like in the next 4 to 8 quarters…with all that disposable income going to pay for subsidies, fines, taxes and more expensive plans, higher deductibles…not to mention the full-time to part-time worker shift…

Eat it Dems…

PatriotRider on October 29, 2013 at 9:17 AM

DefundOBAMACARE!!

And don’t tell me it can’t be done!!

PappyD61 on October 29, 2013 at 9:17 AM

I saw the perfesser on the other thread, but verby and the rest of them are noticably absent.

How to you defend this indefensible, impeachable behavior?

kingsjester on October 29, 2013 at 9:11 AM

Easy KJ-

Focus on all the parasites that are now “covered” by a healthcare plan. Declare anybody who begrudges them “access” as selfish. Add in anecdotes about some of the beneficiaries that are enjoying the fruits of Obamacare. Throw in a dash of rhetoric about pre-existing conditions and cheaper pills and stir liberally.

Rinse and repeat as necessary.

Happy Nomad on October 29, 2013 at 9:17 AM

16 million may be a rosy scenario…

CPT. Charles on October 29, 2013 at 9:05 AM

Absolutely. And don’t forget that the employer mandate has been delayed a year. Just wait until all of the corporate plans are included in this clusterfark.

BacaDog on October 29, 2013 at 9:18 AM

They only really wanted healthy people to be droppped from their existing plans, they are the ones who are going to have to pay for everyone else. They weren’t paying their fair share.

weaselyone on October 29, 2013 at 9:19 AM

Happy Nomad on October 29, 2013 at 9:17 AM

…And, lie ad infinitum.

kingsjester on October 29, 2013 at 9:20 AM

And give up that cushy lobbying job he got as payment for selling his “principles”?

Flange on October 29, 2013 at 9:14 AM

Stupak didn’t sell his principles when he voted for Obamacare. He had sold them long before 2010. Essentially he figured out that he could hold out for a better deal and didn’t even bother to defend the fact that his anti-abortion langquage was quickly relegated out of the final bill.

Happy Nomad on October 29, 2013 at 9:20 AM

My husband and I would be part of the so called “winners” in this debacle. But what constitutes a winner? If we signed up for this, the plan that we could afford which would be the Bronze that is fully subsidized, costs the taxpayers $12k a year for the premium. Then after everyone else pays our premium, we have a deductible of $9k per year which is twice as much as we’ve spent on health care in the past 10 years. Oh yeah, winners.

BeachBum on October 29, 2013 at 9:21 AM

Obamacare: The Doctor Won’t See You Now (or ever, because your insurance sucks!).

AZCoyote on October 29, 2013 at 9:02 AM

There will be new doctors to fill in the gaps.

“Hello, Meester..uh…Beeshoop, it says you have torn ligament in leg?

-Hi. There. Say doc, where are you from?

“The Republic of Crapfrackistan, I got special visa to come here from your dog eating preseedeent. Ok, so I’m going to drill a hole in you kneecap to help, yes?”

Bishop on October 29, 2013 at 9:23 AM

It’s an unexpected reality of Obamacare[...]

There’s that word again. Expect to see the unexpected/Obamacare pairing on a regular basis from here out.

ElectricPhase on October 29, 2013 at 9:23 AM

Happy Nomad on October 29, 2013 at 9:20 AM

That was the point of the quote marks on principles, let’s just call it his final payment.

Flange on October 29, 2013 at 9:26 AM

Bishop on October 29, 2013 at 9:23 AM

Back in July of ’78, when I was singing in the UK, a member of our group got sick, and the hotel called in a gubmit doctor, a nice young Pakistani guy….all the old Brit Doctors had retired.

It turned out to be bad Kippers for breakfast, but this is what we have to look forward to.

Got your ice floe picked out, yet?

kingsjester on October 29, 2013 at 9:27 AM

2 million? That’s initial number, just like the first morning after a tsunami hits and reportedly 43 are dead–weeks later we learned it killed 2,000!

The best thing about this fiasco–not a single Republican vote. For the first time in political history, Democrats have to OWN a boondoggle. Rejoice!

hillsoftx on October 29, 2013 at 9:27 AM

“The Republic of Crapfrackistan, I got special visa to come here from your dog eating preseedeent. Ok, so I’m going to drill a hole in you kneecap to help, yes?”

And don’t forget the leeches!

Also, I’m stealing Crapfrackistan!

Battlecruiser-operational on October 29, 2013 at 9:27 AM

Is there any way Ed and company could drum up the old threads where we could see the exact moments we foresaw all this craptastic “news”?

LtGenRob on October 29, 2013 at 10:05 AM

Okay, so, when is obama going to be impeached?

Pork-Chop on October 29, 2013 at 8:56 AM

Never. It’s not to happen. The guy could kill kittens and eat them raw on live primetime TV and it won’t happen.

It’s going to be a long 3 years.

trigon on October 29, 2013 at 10:08 AM

We have yet to start seeing the impact of reduced access to physicians, some of whom will opt out entirely to remodel their business on a small, membership-based clientele.

As polifacs would say, this is half true: most people haven’t seen the impact.

burt on October 29, 2013 at 10:09 AM

I saw the perfesser on the other thread, but verby and the rest of them are noticably absent.

How to you defend this indefensible, impeachable behavior?

kingsjester on October 29, 2013 at 9:11 AM

Easy KJ-

Focus on all the parasites that are now “covered” by a healthcare plan. Declare anybody who begrudges them “access” as selfish. Add in anecdotes about some of the beneficiaries that are enjoying the fruits of Obamacare. Throw in a dash of rhetoric about pre-existing conditions and cheaper pills and stir liberally.

Rinse and repeat as necessary.

Happy Nomad on October 29, 2013 at 9:17 AM

Not to mention the standard collectivist comeback;

In the long run, everyone dies anyway. In a hundred years, nobody will care because everything will always have been this way.

In other words, everything will have been a f**ksack for so long that nobody will remember that it ever wasn’t one. And since the winners write the history books, you can bet they won’t mention it, either. (Not that very many people will actually be able to read them, after the “educational system” gets done turning them into illiterates with the IQs of rutabagas.)

Of course, the collectivist leaders are thinking;

You peasants will die, but due to superior and secret care I will not! I will even be able to have myself cloned in the near future! I will live forever and be the Eternal Ruler of you all!!

WAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAHHHHH,YOOGLLE!!

Yes, we are dealing with people who are f**king nuts, and it’s about time we admitted it to ourselves.

Stop trying to reason with them. You cannot reason with the irrational.

clear ether

eon

eon on October 29, 2013 at 10:17 AM

I really don’t care what has to be done, strategically, but PLEASE see to it that the weight of predicted pain is felt BEFORE the 2014 elections !!

Surely, even the left can’t steal that many numbers at the polls !

pambi on October 29, 2013 at 10:25 AM

Unintended side effects, its still amazing to me however that anyone thought a law or “act” intended to insure the millions of uninsured could accomplish this simply by making it illegal to not be insured could have anything BUT disastrous side effects.

Koa on October 29, 2013 at 10:25 AM

Seminal phrase: Tip of the iceberg.

paul1149 on October 29, 2013 at 10:29 AM

I’m so tired of hearing that the people whose policies are getting cancelled will be getting better coverage. How is being forced to buy coverage you don’t need better? These are the 10 things policies must provide under Obamacare: (1) ambulatory patient services; (2) emergency services;(3) hospitalization; (4) maternity and newborn care;(5) mental health and substance use disorder services including behavioral health treatment; (6) prescription drugs; (7) rehabilitative and habilitative services and devices;(8) laboratory services;(9) preventive and wellness services and chronic disease management; and (10) pediatric services, including oral and vision care.

Some of those are good, but if you are in your 50′s or above and have no children on your policy, you don’t need maternity or pediatric services. If you don’t have a substance abuse problem or mental health issues, you probably don’t want to pay for coverage for those problems. It’s stupid to say that all those people getting cancelled are getting better coverage. They are not, they are being forced to pay for coverage they neither need or want.

mbs on October 29, 2013 at 10:34 AM

It’s an unexpected reality of Obamacare being told through anecdotes in local papers and on social media.

A decent report, but this is NOT unexpected – and many more than 2 million will be affected.

TarheelBen on October 29, 2013 at 10:39 AM

It’s not that he’s lying. He’s being Intentionally Deceptive.

Mazz on October 29, 2013 at 10:43 AM

Don’t forget folks, insurance is now based on the county you live in, not your state. So, even less competition in many places aka higher prices.

I’ve been informed that I will be losing my plan and auto-enrolled in a new obamacare approved plan starting Jan 1st unless I say otherwise. Oh, and rates are going up.

oryguncon on October 29, 2013 at 10:44 AM

Other shoes will drop soon.

Ed, just rename your first post each morning to “Obama-don’t-care Shoe Drop of the Day” as a nice replacement for the now defunct Obamateurism.

Brat on October 29, 2013 at 10:58 AM

On the bright side, this could just weed out those doctors Obama accused of cutting off legs for money (as opposed, I guess, to cutting them off for free)

ziggyville on October 29, 2013 at 11:05 AM

Two million, the number I saw was 16 million; the criminal Dog Eater and Treblinka Kate would kill for it to be only 2 million.

Bishop on October 29, 2013 at 8:46 AM

Adding up the numbers that CBS gives results in a total of 1.519 million in just four states, and CBS cautions that “those numbers are certain to go even higher. Some companies who tell CBS News they’ve sent letters won’t say how many.”

The 800,000 cancellations in New Jersey are a significant percentage of the state’s population, which implies that more populous states like California, Florida, New York, and Pennsylvania would have over a million cancellations each, and the national totals will likely mount into the tens of millions as more data become available.

If enough people are forced off their existing health insurance and trying to replace it with something on a broken website with unknown subsidies, it will probably provoke a massive popular revolt leaving Democrats scrambling for ways to delay or repeal Obamacare, and making Ted Cruz look like a genius.

Just in time for a debate on a Continuing Resolution in January!

Steve Z on October 29, 2013 at 11:19 AM

Other shoes will drop soon.

Everyone eventually will be forced out of existing plans.
The government’s regulations spell out how much plans can change the amount paid by workers or employers before losing “grand-fathered” status. According to Kaiser, in 2013, 36 percent of those who get coverage through their jobs are enrolled in a grandfathered health plan, down from 48 percent in 2012 and 56 percent in 2011. More plans are expected to lose grandfathered status over time.
It doesn’t take much to be forced into a different plan and
no one is going to be able to avoid Obamacare mandates for long.

lynncgb on October 29, 2013 at 11:27 AM

Elections have consequences. Pay your fair share! Spread your wealth around…you greedy, typical White people! /sarc

OxyCon on October 29, 2013 at 11:41 AM

Absolutely. And don’t forget that the employer mandate has been delayed a year. Just wait until all of the corporate plans are included in this clusterfark.

BacaDog on October 29, 2013 at 9:18 AM

A talking point I’m seeing is that this clamor relates only to a small percentage of the population and that the much larger employer-provided market is going to love Obamacare. What a crock.

For those in the individual market who are hit, evidently they are the ones who are required to take one for the team. As for those in the employer-provided market, that’s where analysts should be turning their attention. There’s a damned good reason that Obama put off their pain until after the 2014 midterms. Sixteen or so million in the individual-policy market don’t have much of a political voice. About 180 million in the employer-provided market do. You can’t tell me that once you lay over the extraordinary coverage mandates that premiums in the employer-provided market won’t go up.

BuckeyeSam on October 29, 2013 at 11:54 AM

Don’t forget folks, insurance is now based on the county you live in, not your state. So, even less competition in many places aka higher prices.

I’ve been informed that I will be losing my plan and auto-enrolled in a new obamacare approved plan starting Jan 1st unless I say otherwise. Oh, and rates are going up.

oryguncon on October 29, 2013 at 10:44 AM

True, and some of those differences from county to county are shocking. It means that if you are looking for an apartment or a home in a typical multi-county metro area, looking at health insurance costs before you make your move can save a considerable amount in premiums.

Employers that are thinking of relocating or starting businesses will do the same.

slickwillie2001 on October 29, 2013 at 11:54 AM

Ed Morrissey:

Is this correct?

The only difference is that the taxes are indirect — either through income-tax increases or on costs associated with higher taxes on medical devices and services.

Increased income taxes sounds pretty direct to me. I see how the higher taxes on medical devices and services are hidden. But increased income taxes, again, seem to be pretty in your face.

BuckeyeSam on October 29, 2013 at 11:59 AM

CBS: ObamaCare forcing at least 2 million from existing plans

Let’s hope that they’re all Democrat voters.

cajunpatriot on October 29, 2013 at 12:05 PM

Ignorance is the most expensive commodity.

Murphy9 on October 29, 2013 at 12:48 PM

PatriotRider on October 29, 2013 at 9:07 AM

I’m 43 and my husband is 54. We don’t need maternity or pediatric ANYTHING. WE like our plan. It remains intact…for now.
EFF off moby!

annoyinglittletwerp on October 29, 2013 at 1:17 PM

Paraphrasing Uncle Joe: 2 people losing their health insurance is a tragedy. 2 million people losing theirs is a statistic.

BillH on October 29, 2013 at 2:18 PM

“Unexpected”

Dollayo on October 29, 2013 at 5:49 PM

If you don’t have a substance abuse problem or mental health issues, you probably don’t want to pay for coverage for those problems.
mbs on October 29, 2013 at 10:34 AM

Obamacare is enough to drive a Mormon to drink.

Paraphrasing Uncle Joe: 2 people losing their health insurance is a tragedy. 2 million people losing theirs is a statistic.

BillH on October 29, 2013 at 2:18 PM

So, for Obamacare, the plural of anecdote really is data.

AesopFan on October 29, 2013 at 10:50 PM

Politifact rated that as “half true,” but for at least 2 million Americans, it’s a pants-on-fire lie from the White House.

This deserves more coverage than to just mention it in passing. Politifact was lying while claiming to be weighing out the truth. Not just on this issue, but over and over again. They should never be treated as if they have credibility when they rate some statement as “half-true” or “pants-on-fire.”

There Goes the Neighborhood on October 30, 2013 at 1:22 AM